Croyle?
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 18, 2009 11:54 AM CDT
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I have seen a lot of people buying into Brodie Croyle this year again. He has been given two full years to be the guy in KC, in 2007 Herm Edwards gave him every opportunity to be the starter. Trent Green is even on record saying that the competition for starter was stacked in Croyle's favor. Damon Huard still won the job . Huard and Croyle traded playing time most of the year because neither could stay healthy.
Croyle has started 8 games and played in 11 and had only 6 TD's and 6 INT's. He has shown he has an arm and can sometimes move the team down the field but he can't seem to get the TD's. He was given the starting job in 2008 and only lasted two games. Scoring only about 10 points a game will not get you far in the NFL,and not being able to stay healthy would worry me to have him as my back-up.
To compare with our other possible back-up QB, Tyler Thigpen has never been given starting QB reps in the off season in fact was the 3rd string so he didn't get very many reps at all. To play as well as he did from coming off the bench as the 3rd stringer is to be commended. He has problems with accuracy and is unpredictable at times but who knows how good he could be if he had the reps that Croyle has had.
As far as Matt Gutierrez, haven't seen enough of him but some of the fans in NE liked him.
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We should get
a trebuchet as our #2 QB. It would go perfect with the pile of dog poo at RT and turtle at WR.
Herm Edwards: "There's FOUR quarters in football?!"
by IISaiNtII on Aug 18, 2009 11:57 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My son and his buddies built a trebuchet.
Currently, the trebuchet is unemployed.
by G.L. on Aug 18, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trebuchet doesn't have a quick enough release.
We don’t want Grbac.
We want a ballista. Just pull the trigger.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 1:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone knows his stats
everyone also knows stats don’t tell the whole story.
most people who think he shouldn’t be 2nd string is because of his durability issues. Idk how many people think Thiggy is simply a better QB for this team than Croyle.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Aug 18, 2009 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Croyle
Has the arm to make all the throws needed….Thigpen doesnt. While Thigpen has the mobility and speed that Croyle wishes he had…that is not what Haley is looking for in his QB. He wants a traditional pocket passer with a good strong arm. Brodie Croyle is the better QB for our new system.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
by Matt_Grbac on Aug 18, 2009 12:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Croyle's arm does the team no good from the trainers table. Tylers Legs do the team no good from 3rd string.
It’s been 3 years of this, isn’t that enough?
YES Brodie has a strong arm.
YES Brodie looks like a nice pocket passer in practive and the pre-season.
YES Brodie has the better pedigree.
YES Brodie comes from a school that actually had a football program before he applied to the school.
YES Brodie looks like the more polished QB.
and YES, Brodie will be rolling around on the ground holding his shoulder, finger, knee, back, or skull by the end the 2nd game he takes snaps in; if not the first.
Tyler Thigpen is the Chiefs “wildcat” QB.
Tyler has the better legs.
Tyler has more starts, snaps, completions, touchdowns, passing yards, running yards, and wins than Croyle.
Tyler has more TD catches too.
How I understand it is: if your third string QB steps on the field to take QB snaps before the last quarter of the game then your number 1 (Cassel) QB is out.
If Croyle is set as the number 2 QB then Thigpen cannot come into the game in a “wildcat” formation as the QB until the last quarter.
If Thigpen is set as the number 2 QB then he could move in and out of the game as a “wildcat” QB at will without jeopardising Cassel’s role.
If Cassel goes down and is out for the game then Croyle could STILL go in as the regular QB from 3rd on the depth chart while Tyler could still be used as a “wildcat” QB.
WHEN (not IF…WHEN) Croyle gets folded in half and is screaming in pain and carted off the field 11 snaps later Tyler can step in to the “starter” role.
I understand there are people that would really like to see Brodie succeed, but chances are if you were injury prone in highschool, college, and 3 consecutive years in the NFL then you aren’t going to all of a sudden become a rock of man in year 4. Brodie would have the same chance to play the role as Cassel’s “pocket passer” backup from the 3rd string position. It would not affect him at all to be “marked down” as 3rd on the depth chart.
Conversly, If Thigpen is marked down as the 3rd stringer then any value that he may have had as a “wildcat” QB is completely and utterly lost until the last quarter.
It makes absolutely NO LOGICAL SENSE to put Brodie in as the #2 and Tyler as the #3. Brodie won’t play unless Cassel is injured, therefore he should be 3rd. Thigpen MAY play even if Cassel is not injured; therefore he should be 2nd.
If the Chiefs are not going to align it that way then the best thing they could do is trade Thigpen. He has “some” value right now comming off his 2008 season. (Brodie has none) — If we aren’t going set Thigpen as the #2 guy to play in a wildcat, then we may as well trade him away for draft picks or an actual OLB/Predator/MLB that knows the position and is under 33yrs old — or even an 11th receiver to add to the roster.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 18, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions 6 recs
Very Nice
I like the argument made and with such passion.
by Spiderwomn69 on Aug 18, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't argue with that logic
REC Texas Chief up
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 18, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent thinking Tex
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes zero sense
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 18, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jelous?
I think Tex posted this thought before. Agree again. If Thigpen remains on team it makes more sense for NFL rules to have him at second rather than 3rd string. Croyle if he remains makes more sense as the emergency QB. We want to see Thigpen in unorthordox playing positions.
Lined up as WR, or for a play or two in shotgun. Hell have we tried him at KR?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try 'Jealous'
once, once again, Steve – I was being facetious
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 18, 2009 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you Rec anything?
and I tried cause I know it was spelled wrong.
Jealous ain’t my bag sorry :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anything & everything I deem funny
gets the ol rec’ing crew.
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 18, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I do see that :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bastard.
Very nice points, TC.
The other day (yesterday?) I heard some talking heads talking about how Wildcat QBs like Vick ought to be handled, and the subtleties involved in whether the starter can return. It was suggest that carrying him as a WR or HB to satisfy the letter of the law, would let you put in your wildcat QB, but run a different #2 QB.
Thing about Thiggy is he’s probably not the guy you want standing in the pocket. Call it vision, blame his height, but I’m thinking that Brodie as the #2, with Thiggy getting some touches while Brodie is still ridin’ pine, when Cassel’s healthy, makes sense. Throw in some wildcat stuff, especially in the red or gold zone, but let Cassel come back in on the next drive.
Could you elaborate on this Texas Chief? Throw stones at me if it’ll help me figure this out.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can I elaborate.....sure. Will I? Not really
I know that work has been kicking my ass lately and a lot of the newer folks may not have any clue who I am. To sum it up: I’m a defensive guy. I know about as much about offense as a MLB needs to know in order to read coverages and call defensive plays.
That being said, I would no be getting cutesy and running a wildcat offense in the red/gold zones. The strength of the wildcat comes mainly from 2 things:
1) Supprize — the Defense doesn’t ever really know what you’re doing as an offense
2) Space — a RB in space, and QB in space, a WR in space etc.
The wildcat has the best chance of success between the 20’s on 1st and 2nd down when you can confuse, supprize, and hornswaggle the defense. The QB has room to run sideline to sideline and for 10-20 yards downfield. The QB playing receiver has room to run a confusion route (Like Thiggy’s last season for a TD) and spread the D-backs away from the LB’s. A RB taking a snap has 10-20 yards BEHIND them to flip the ball out to someone else, or lateral it to a QB. The offensive line has 10-20 yards BEHIND them to slide the pocket left or right to defend a supprize QB’s throw etc etc etc….
When you stick the wildcat inside the 20’s you severly limit the open filed space that you have to move the ball around and supprise the defense. Also, inside the 20 the defense has much muach less field to defend, so you won’t get the d-backs spread out off the LB’s very well no matter what you do.
As far as calling your wildcat QB a WR or a RB on the depth chart: I don’t really have the answer to that. If they line up as a WR/RB I don’t see any problem with this as long as someone else takes the snap. However, I don’t know the ins and outs of the rule well enough to say weather you could put a 2 QB wildcat on the field and snap it to the guy listed as a WR without infringing on the QB depth chart rules. - That’s one I’ll have to do some research on.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Aug 19, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks but I was asking about the rules with regard to #3 QB playing and #1 can't return.
The point I’ve been making about Thiggy in the red zone is he brings extra mobility, which stretches the field laterally – a plus when there’s not much vertical left. For all his warts, the unpredictability factor gives the offense a boost on the short field, right at the point where it’s getting tougher for Cassel/Croyle to do their bread-n-butter stuff between the 20s.
In camp, it’s seemed like Croyle and Cassel were both struggling to make things happen in the red zone, and Thigpen would be the guy who found the open guy on an ugly play. Finesse is less important on the short field. Ugly is good. And Thigpen brings plenty of mean ‘n’ ugly.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 20, 2009 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't vote yet
Too early to tell. Once a couple more games are played maybe we will be able to see. Right now, all we are voting on is preconceived notions more than on field performance. Regardless of how either player performed in the past there is a new sheriff in town and he will put either of these guys as first string if they outplay Cassel. I think Haley has respect for Brodie. When someone asked if he was surprised Brodie was able to get up after being sacked in the game Haley just laughed and said he’s a tough guy. I want to see him play more in preseason and find out if he is a tough enough guy.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Aug 18, 2009 12:20 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
the question is if cassell goes down who can come in an score points and win games? neither of them have been able to win games ( thigpen won 1 game) but atleast thigpen could score points and those losses were more to blame on the defense.. croyle sucks and i can’t believe anybody is still liking this guy. he has a strong arm…big deal..he was given a chance and sucked. he can’t score, can’t stay healthy, and most importantly can’t win. i don’t know why we ever drafted him. he was the all time leading passer at alabama who is a running team. the guy never had a chance in the nfl…..give it up he SUCKS!!!! ride the pine brodie…but keep him on the team so we can look at his wife
by dwill_pittst on Aug 18, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Namath!
Anybody who breaks Joe Willie’s records has to get some love from somewhere! I can’t remember who Joe Namath’s running backs were at Alabama but it sounds like I should.
by ttownmikey on Aug 18, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That great offense of Joe Willie's won the SB by scoring 13 points.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 20, 2009 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to say it
but, Croyle seems to be earning the #2 spot.
No question about it.
But, anyone who thinks he’s better than Cassel is crazy.
Croyle had his chances, he didn’t perform. He looks solid enough now to back up Cassel, but that’s about it.
I wouldn’t lose sleep if Croyle or Thigpen were cut… But, I’m starting to come around to the idea of Cryole at #2, Matt G. as #3…
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 18, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well if Croyle is earning the 2nd spot then it looks like Dwayne Bowe is our 3rd string receiver and
Devard Darling is our #1…
Nothing is as it seems right now.. at all..Theere evaluating different players at different spots…The coaches have more than enough film on Thigpen right now
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is..Just because a player is 1st, 2nd, or 3rd doesn't mean a whole lot right now
b/c haley wants to see how players are going to produce in certain situations
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 18, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true, to a certain extent
But, Croyle does seem to be a better fit, and a better QB than Thigpen.
I think they are giving both guys a shot at the #2 job, I’m just predicting a Croyle victory now.
Same thing with the WR…I think they are giving Copper and Darling every chance to succeed and win a job. But, I predict that they will not be able to do it.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 18, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm seein' the same thing.
Croyle can stand tall in the pocket and is reasonably mobile. If they build the O to fit Cassel, I no longer see Thiggy as being the better fit. Not that Game 1 in preseason is necessarily an indicator, but Cassel took most of his early snaps from under center, and they gave the pro set a look. LJ looked good. Cox got bowled over backwards as lead blocker, but I guess that’s beside the point.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 1:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny how watching Cassel running a lot of shotgun in New England
and scoring TDs by scrambling had me thinking he and Thiggy were a natural pair of QBs, because their games were so similar. But seeing the three guys playing in the same game (and granted Croyle had #76 at LT, Thiggy didn’t), Croyle looked like the better fit, especially taking snaps from under center.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pros vs. Cons
Croyle:
More Accurate
Better Arm Strength
Smart Pocket Presence
Non-durable
Thiggy:
Poor Accuracy
Decent Arm..Not Great
Play Extender
Tough/Durable
Able to make a play
!!!Different Playbook!!!
I like Thiggy, but hes unreliable. I like Croyle but hes IR bound year after year. Niether are legit starters, take your pick for back up.
Big Gulps EH????? All right.....Welp....See Ya Later!
by XtaC69Chief on Aug 18, 2009 12:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think Croyle's fragility is in his head.
Doesn’t have runner’s instincts and takes worse hits more often, and is more likely to take an awkward hit, because he’s holding the ball too long and hasn’t learned, yet, the difference between courage and serenity. That dumb intentional grounding call is a symptom. When it’s there, and he sees it, he’s almost godlike. But if it isn’t, or he doesn’t see it, the boy can get himself hurt by the decisions he makes.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So basically
He doesn’t think too well (or at all?) on his feet, which is a must-have trait if you’re to play the QB position in the NFL.
"The first step to penetration... must not be lateral"
-Confucius
by ArrowSpread on Aug 19, 2009 5:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup. Doesn't matter the cause, if the effect is IR.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 20, 2009 3:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brodie Croyle
will be the starting QB for the Chiefs before this season is over. Cassel"s unproven imo. With a good running game and some good receivers, which I think we might have now, Brodie can make it look easy, win games and even go to the pro bowl.
Let’s see how the rest of the preseason plays out.
by choirboy on Aug 18, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Croyle is starting by the end of the year, the chiefs are in big trouble.
by saskwatch on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
No way Croyle plays before season is over, unless there and injuries, and somehow, someway beats Thigpen for the number 2 spot.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Aug 18, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree. Croyle will not beat Cassel for the starting nod.
I also will go as far to say that I truly don’t think Cassel will get hurt. Our line is not great but, it is decent and he took a lot of sacks last year and kept getting up. Cassel is a tough hombre and I think our line will do a decent job protecting him. If he does get hurt, i think Croyle is a very capable replacement and I feel a lot better with him under center than Thiggy.
That hit that Brodie took in the NE game was BRUTAL! He had 300 pounds of D-line smash his shoulder at full speed. Most QBs would have been knocked out after that hit. I don’t think it should reflect on his toughness. Croyle is okay in my book and he is a helluva quarterback. I don’t want him starting but, he will make a very good #2.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 18, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we better all pray that doesn't happen
IF Croyle was starting for the Chiefs again, it would mean that Cassel got hurt, or seriously struggled.
It would mean that the #3 QB had better be ready to go, because Croyle can’t seem to last more than one game.
It would mean that the Chiefs may not win more than 4 games this year… because Croyle/Thigpen don’t have what it takes to win games, apparently.
Cassel is by FAR the best chance this team has to succeed this year, and for the next 10 years.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 18, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brains
I have never been convinced that Brodie is clever enough. Classic example in the Houston game was his intentional grounding, really bad decision.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
by sir eccles on Aug 18, 2009 12:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I said something similar, above.
I think his head might have more to do with his injuries.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has a hot wife....
Virtus In Arduo
by carthagechief on Aug 18, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
PITA just called
They’re filling a lawsuit against the posters on AP for constantly beating the same dead horse.
Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!
by KCporkchop on Aug 18, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hilarious
but unfortunately looks like it’ll be an ongoing subject for awhile so PITA will probably set back & continue to collect evidence until Cassel becomes Superman & leads the Chiefs on an extended winning streak! Otherwise, no matter how well he does, there will be those continuing to pulverize this poor horse!
by ttownmikey on Aug 18, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hate to be the one to point this out
but what the hell is PITA? People for the Ithical Treatment of Animals? Troy knows what I’m talking about.
by Reno_Chief on Aug 18, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true!
PETA would make more sense! LOL
by ttownmikey on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh. PITA
I’m less interested in winning arguments than in learning more from APaholics. My thinking on Thiggy has definitely changed, partly as a result of the necro-sadism practiced here.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 2:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
It’s actually PETA (people for the ethical treatment of animals)
I think they’re too busy protesting in Philly over Vick :)
by HeatherChiefsLvr on Aug 19, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG did you just say that Brodie Croyle will go to a pro bowl?? wow yeah as a spectator. thats just dumb
by dwill_pittst on Aug 18, 2009 2:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if he could stay healthy
he has probowl calibre talent.
keep in mind guys like derek anderson have made it. i dont think its a stretch to say croyle could IF he could stay healthy.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Aug 18, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pro bowl that is funny
Croyle played in 9 games and started 6 in 2007 and couldn’t win a game with a defense that was ranked 14th, plus in all the games he played he never scored more than 1 touch down, how could that show any type of pro bowl QB
People can say what they want about Thigpen but he can score points and if he had a 14th ranked defense instead of a 31st ranked he would have won more games.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 18, 2009 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Troy probably best to quit talking right now..
I remember when someone said they thought Ron Paul would win the presidency..
I think Croyle making it to the pro bowl has as much as probability as Ron Paul being our president…In other words ain’t gonna happen
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 18, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I say that?
Well Ron Paul should have been Pres out of all listed.
Similarly, if Croyle doesn’t go, it won’t be because he wasn’t a solid Constitutionalist and consistent voting record.
he was injured. injured bad.
by troy145 on Aug 18, 2009 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Got To Agree
There’s not a chance Croyle makes the Pro Bowl or the starting lineup except in the case of injury to both Cassel and Thigpen. He simply can’t be relied on to stay healthy, and that’s been a constant his entire football career (both amateur and pro).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Aug 18, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything Croyle is good for practice
when Cassel needs rest. He’s capable of playing the solid pocket passer in a scenario where nobody’s allowed to touch him. Pro bowl? Hell no!
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Aug 18, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even Payton can look ordinary when his o-line ain't dominant.
And they pretty much HAVE been his whole career.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pro-Bowl?
Maybe for probowl of quick and broken! To bad football is a contact sport, If it was flag I’m sure he would make it.
by Digital on Aug 18, 2009 2:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This whole argument has been discussed so many times
Until Croyle can look good and throw 3 td’s in a real game, he will NOT have my support..
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 18, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Croyle can stay healthy he's a good back up....
In case of an injury but I think Thigpen is a better backup in case of ineffectiveness(that doesnt look like a real word).
If the offense is working and gelling as its set now and something were to happen to Cassel I think Croyle is the better option to replace him. He can run a prostyle offense effectively enough and has an arm to make all the throws. He does have to eliminate brain dead mistakes though(see saturday night).
If the problem is the offense is ineffective and we need a midgame switch then Thigpen is easily the better backup. He adds a whole new dimension to the game and even Thiggyhaters can admit that he finds ways to create offense and move the ball. If we’re getting shutdown Thigpen gives us the best change of pace and the best chance to compete.
In that vain Thigpen and Croyle are both #2 QBs depending on the circumstance.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 18, 2009 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing
how 4 quarters of pre-season play can nearly sway a whole fanbase
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 18, 2009 5:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I forgot
What do you want as QB lineup?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think we should now trade Thigpen. It’s not that I don’t like him or neccessarily want him, it’s just evident to me that like Denver the Chiefs are gonna try to spread the field and replicate the Patriots offensive scheme. Simply, Thigpen doesn’t fit into it and being as that thats the direction this team is headed (whether or not we like it) it makes no sense to keep him. As a team, your QB’s #1-#3 should be able to run the same offense/playbook. Thigpen can’t run a conventional offense. So to answer your question, by default, I’d have to say the depth chart should read #1)Cassel, #2)Croyle, #3)Gutierrez[throws up in mouth]
Thank You Carl Peterson for drafting Dustin Colquitt
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 18, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that wouldn't bother me
IF they could get anything for Thigpen.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Aug 18, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thiggy could be WR or KR
I don’t think ‘Bones’ cares as long as he has a Pigskin to run around with :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree
G has the size and what Pioli and Haley and probably Haley Sr. want in a QB.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 18, 2009 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing?
It’s amazing how 4 quarters of pre-season play can nearly sway a whole fanbase.
I think it’s one of the main tools the coaches use to see who brings it and who doesn’t. Makes PERFECT sense to assess players individually, and less sense to draw firm conclusions about how good/bad the team is as a whole, while coaches are giving so many players a look.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
by hmills110 on Aug 19, 2009 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brodie was the most sacked QB in the league
He had no offensive line, before drafting albert. And he took a shot to his knee that would have knocked even the toughest of the tough in the NFL out for a season. Brodie and Cassel should get a fair competition, I know that Haley held out on answering the question about cassel being the best qb in camp because Brodie flat out outplayed him. 95 percent of every tweet from camp came out like this.
“Croyle wowed with a 56 yard TD to mark Bradley in 7 on 7 drills”
“Cassel threw a lofty pass and got picked by Maurice Leggett”
by TonylovesKC on Aug 19, 2009 2:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here is a stat to chew on:
Croyle senior year ALABAMA: 339 Att 202 comp 14 TD
Thigpen COSTAL CAROLINA: 339 Att 217 comp 29 TD
Thiggy can score: In his college career he scored: 53 TD’s
Croyle: 20
by JoeMeehan on Aug 19, 2009 10:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you should consider their opponents.
Alabama-SEC toughest defenses in college.
Coastal Carolina-Division II opponents, might as well be playing high schoolers
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 29, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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