Kansas City Chiefs' Preseason Game 1 Grade Card
by ChiefDJ on Aug 15, 2009 11:50 PM CDT
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Todd Haley has a LOT of work to do. But of course we already knew that.
Offensive Line: D
The Chiefs STILL cannot run the football. The RBs are still getting hit behind the line of scrimmage and having to claw to get two or three yards. False Starts, Holding Penalties, etc. Completely unforgivable. I don't even want to talk about the unit they had on the field in the 4th quarter. Thank goodness none of those guys will ever see the field in the regular season.
Quarterbacks: C
It's hard to be too tough on Cassel because the WRs kept dropping passes. I wasn't terribly impressed with the velocity on his balls and they didn't really try any quality passing down field, just short dink and dunk routes. Cassel gets an incomplete. Croyle on the other hand was fantastic. Except for the Intentional Grounding blunder that he should have known better, he was accurate and got the ball out of his hands quick. I just had to keep reminding myself that no matter how well he plays, he cannot be a starter. Just not durable enough. Thigpen gets an A as a running back, an F as a QB. It doesn't help that he had absolutely no blocking, but he rarely ever gave plays a chance to develop before he pulled the ball down to run. When he did throw they floated and were very inaccurate. Keep him as a wildcat player, but he simply is not and never will be a pocket passer and its just a matter of time before he starts getting injured running down the field.
Running Backs: B-
Hard to grade these guys when the O-line isn't opening any holes. Savage had more success than any of them but he also fumbled.
Wide Receivers/TEs: C
WRs get a C because its the average of two groups. The "starting" receivers get an F because they couldn't catch anything. When Croyle hit Lawrence in the hip on a crossing route when he wasn't even looking for the ball, it pretty much summed it all up. The third string WRs, Bowe and Bradley get an A for no drops and making tough catches. Haley needs to find a different way of dealing with Bowe. Dropping the best receiver on the team to 3rd string just to humiliate him when everyone KNOWS he will be a starter when the regular season starts is ridiculous and will only hurt the rest of the team. How is Cassel supposed to build a rapport with him when he's shagging balls from Croyle and Thigpen?
Defensive Line: C+
The job of the offensive line in the 3-4 is to clog up the runing lanes. There were far too many gaping holes for the Texans RBs to run through. Granted the defense is playing very vanilla at this point and we shouldn't be too quick to judge. But tonight was not the performance we were hoping to see out of this unit.
Linebackers: B+
I thought the LBs did pretty well overall. DJ made several very good plays. So did Mays. Even Tamba Hali looked pretty good. The only thing keeping the LBs from an A- is that they bare some of the responsibility for the big runs that got through.
Secondary: B
The secondary is one of the strengths of the team. Overall coverage was good. They played a lot of zone, which is going to allow passes to be completed, but there wasn't much running after the catch. Once the passes were completed, the Chiefs secondary was all over them. Liked the toughness in Pollard still playing hard and laying the lumber even though he was limping badly. Is Leggett SERIOUSLY the only guy they have to play the nickel CB? I mean he did really well, but what happens if he gets hurt? I think he played every snap in the nickel tonight.
Kick returners: F
Horrible. Its clear the Chiefs still don't have a viable kick return option.
Kickoffs / FGs/ Punts: B
Succop made his FGs and extra points and had pretty good depth on his kickoffs. The punt return blocking was blowing my mind. The players were not even waiting for the ball to be kicked before they turned around and started running back to block. I kept thinking that if the Texans did a fake punt, it would go a long ways because NOBODY was watching them. Well they didn't run a fake, but when Turk botched a snap there was no one anywhere near him to put pressure on him so he just waltzed up for a first down. I sincerely hope this is something that gets ironed out before the regular season.
Coaching: D
Haley is a new coach with a new coaching staff that is still installing their scheme. They play very vanilla in the preseason, so I don't grade them on those things at all. But Haley's MO is that he's a tough guy disciplinarian. So far at least, it doesn't seem to be sinking in. Multiple botched snaps. Multiple fumbles. 8 penalties, mostly on the offensive line and mental errors. These are things that should be few and far between with a disciplinarian coach. I have no doubt that Haley will continue to punish players for making these mistakes and eventually they will come under control, but quite obviously it hasn't happened yet. Does the rain account for some of them? Sure. But the Texans didn't have as much trouble as we did.
Also, Haley's handling of the Bowe situation is hurting the team. Its hurting Cassel by not having his best target on the field. I also think it is going to cause Haley to lose some respect amongst the team. The reason is that I don't think Haley will follow through with his bluff. He is humiliating Bowe by putting him at 3rd string but everyone KNOWS that when the regular season starts, Bowe will be the starter. Whats going to happen if Haley doesn't get out of Bowe what he wants? If he plays Bowe anyway, the team will know he's full of hot air and they don't have to take him seriously. Bowe played well tonight and I'm sure Haley will take credit for that, but Bowe plays well a lot of the time. That's why we talk about him being a superstar. Haley needs to find a different way of getting through to Bowe or this could seriously blow up in his face.
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The Chiefs are a work in progress, we all knew that. You can't judge anything by a preseason game, especially the first one. But its obvious that there are still a lot of bugs to be worked out.
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I might be wrong, but I believe that Bowe will be starting again next week
Haley wanted to show that Bowe was not going to be handed the #1 receiver job, but rather he had to earn it. After tonight, I think he has earned his spot atop the depth chart
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Aug 15, 2009 11:58 PM CDT reply actions
agreed
I can’t read haley’s mind, but I think it worked out just like he wanted
by midmochieffan on Aug 16, 2009 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll lay my 10 to your 1 that if Bowe dogs it in practice
he will be 2nd or 3rd string again.
It was great that he showed up with 5 catches for 70 yards in limited action. And that probably DID put him at the top of the rotation to start the week. But if his routes suck or he drops catchable balls in practice this week, I bet he slips down below somebody who does everything right.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
as it should be
I believe that, in the Pioli-Haley regime, you must earn your spot in the depth chart, dictated by your play on the field. I don’t see Haley granting starting positions based solely on your name or your draft position.
Holy Shit!!!...Peterson resigned...Am I dead?...Is This Heaven?
by RoyalsFanStuckInCardsLand on Aug 16, 2009 3:41 AM CDT up reply actions
sideline attitude
I was at the game and looked behind the bench several times and watched as Bowe and some of the WR’s were playing quick catch (ala Tony G) during the game. He’s a pro and did what he needed to when they called his number, regardless of the run-in at camp.
Glad the couple of years he had with TG are still being felt this year. I think some of those veteran’s we got will rub off on the youngsters and Pioli made some good selections for players/mentors.
Gotta tell you that it just wasn’t the same when Tony didn’t come out of the tunnel.
by stenerud's roost on Aug 16, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Like your handle.
I think Jan’s the ONLY pure placekicker in the hall.
I don’t know that Bowe and Haley had a run-in. I just think Haley treats him like everyone else, and it’s the kind of brutal honesty that was probably the one thing missing from Bowe’s coaching, to date. And Bowe is RESPONDING.
I’m even starting to think Bowe might be able to stretch the field, in addition to the underneath stuff. But his main big play down the field WAS against 2nd-teamers.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Good analysis, DJ
Always enjoy your thoughts and comments. I thought Croyle looked great (much better than last preseason) and I also agree about the return game & offensive line. Much work ahead but this defensive scheme I think is really gonna work at getting pressure on the QB
by KansasCityShuffle on Aug 16, 2009 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
I'd say
OL gets a C…. the first unit didn’t look bad, outside of the penalties, the 2nd unit looked better… but, I agree the 4th quarter guys were brutal De La Puente and Richardson might want to pack their bags tonight.
QB gets a B… Cassel and Croyle looked good, Thigpen looked like last year…
Pretty much agree with the rest
nice post
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
I think the #2s says more about KC depth versus HOU depth.
And it says that HOU isn’t that deep on d-line, and they’re one injury away from struggling BIG-time on D.
Also, Albert stayed in at LT for Brodie.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
In regards to Bowe
Haley is showing him and the team that HE as coach has the final say-so in regards to who starts and plays. I don’t think he’s hurting the team in not giving him 1st team reps during preseason, because he’s played the game for 2 years now and is still acting like a rookie prima donna (Crabtree?)
I don’t like it anymore than the next person, but whatever makes his ass catch a pass is A+ in my book
Herm Edwards: "There's FOUR quarters in football?!"
Woah
Bowe acting like a rookie prima donna? Where is that coming from? Bowe is a type A personality. He is confident and has fun. Qualities that are often found in star WRs in the league. I’ve never seen Bowe do anything unprofessional. My understanding is that Haley didn’t think he was working as hard as he should.
Its not as though Bowe was a lousy receiver. He’s caught 1000 yards (or nearly so) both years he’s been in the league. Can he do better? Sure, everyone can.
If Haley benches Bowe in the middle of the regular season when the games really count, I’ll give him all kinds of kudos because it will mean something then. Putting him at 3rd string in the preseason though and then putting him at starter when the regular season starts though, will make the team feel that he’s a paper tiger. If he’s going to make those types of threats, he needs to follow through with them.
"If he’s going to make those types of threats, he needs to follow through with them."
And Haley has, thus far. I wouldn’t put it past him to continue to do so either. Saying anything to the contrary is pure speculation and ass-talkery at this point. Haley has done everything he said he would do.
Herm Edwards: "There's FOUR quarters in football?!"
by IISaiNtII on Aug 16, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree...
His quote was that he will play the people who are practicing and playing the way he is coaching them…
Bowe cannot ignore the coaching and wing it…he has to submit and realize Haley’s way is not only the only way, it is the better way…
I don't think Bowe's ever been in doubt
or consciously rebelled. If he’s like MOST of us, he appreciates brutal honesty, if its purpose is to make him better, and the criticism is on-the-money. And it apparently IS making him better, already! Granted, he played against backups, Saturday, but that was never his problem. His problem was disciplined route running, and securing the completions he SHOULD. Add those elements of consistency into the mix he already brought, and we have a dominant possession receiver.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
accurate grades
i can’t believe how lean everybody looked.. tamba LOOKED like a prototypical edge rusher. dj, lj, even boone looked great. camera work was bad, but dorsey i thought was adequate. great to hear dorsey’s, studebaker’s, dj’s, may’s, page’s and leggett’s name called more than once.
by 8k1c6 on Aug 16, 2009 12:13 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
+1
three names really stood out for me with the 1st half D.
DJ, Tamba and Cory Mays. These guys always seemed to be around the ball. I’m startin’ to get pumped for the D this year.
by stenerud's roost on Aug 16, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Only weakness was how hard he bit on the play-fake.
He’ll need to work on that.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Wrong on Bowe.
Also, Haley’s handling of the Bowe situation is hurting the team…
Huh. He put Bowe at 3rd string and Bowe responded by not dropping a single pass in the rain. Seems like something Haley’s doing with Bowe is working, dude! Your reasoning is very contorted and negative. Maybe you’re just pissed over the loss, after waiting all this time to see a game.
If this were a pissin’ contest between Haley and Bowe, do you think Haley would’ve said good things about Bowe in camp the last few days and on the field, Saturday?
Hell, the BIGGEST worry I had about this offense was Bowe dropping the ball. And early indications are that this problem has been solved!!! Rejoice!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Yeah but
Whitlock made a good point in the press conference. Does putting Bowe lower on the depth chart help his performance more than it hurts the chemistry between him and Cassel. I see a major problem here because Haley has a different set of recievers for Cassel to throw to every day. He needs to develope chemistry with these guys and having Croyle throwing to our two best recievers all day doesn’t accomplish jack squat. You can try to tell me that Darling and Copper might have the work ethic that is more to Haley’s liking, but, they both seriously suck. like.. seriously.. suck. I haven’t seen a worse performance out of a recieving core than I saw out of our “first teamers” tonight. Those guys weren’t even a factor. Bowe and Bradley walked all over that second-string defense with a quarterback who tends to throw behind recievers with waaay too much heat. I say that’s reason enough to believe they’d have more of a chance than Copper and Darling. I’d cut those two goons for the way they played tonight. PATHETIC!
And if Bowe's that much better,
then he should be making those catches and running those routes in practice! Haley only has what he sees to go by. Copper had a good week in camp and rose to the top of the rotation by virtue of NOT putting the ball on the ground, and running routes the way he’s supposed to run them.
This has nothing to do with punishing Bowe. It has to do with honestly trying to help the Chiefs be a better team in regulation, and Bowe looks better.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Cassel may need to develop chemistry, but with whom?
Besides Bowe, who every seems to be handing the #1 wide receiver role, who else is he going to throw to? There might be the reason for having different receivers play with Cassel, to see who clicks. The Chiefs are going to need more than one receiver and right now nobody outside the organization knows who #s 2-7(?) are going to be; and I’m not sure anyone inside the organization knows either. I’d like to see them have 2-3 guys that they have a little bit of confidence in, rather than pulling a Madden ‘98 and running with one back and throwing to one receiver because you can win doing it that way in a video game – it doesn’t work in the pros.
Bradley
Bradley looked good last night. I think it’s pretty clear that he and Bowe are 2 and 1, respectively. I anticipate that they’ll be starting the next game. This was just Haley sending a message to his receivers and they responded well.
by TheScootness on Aug 16, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
NOTICE: Every good thing about d-line in camp is against a woeful o-line, until you hear otherwise!!!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Chiefs did NOT go to ArrowSpread because Thiggy sucks.
Chiefs went to the spread because the pro set cost them 2 starting QBs ahead of him!!! Get your heads outta your asses!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
err
That’s willfully ignorant of the facts.
by Justin Bopp on Aug 16, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
I've seen plenty of good QBs with happy feet, behind porous o-lines.
Thigpen has never gotten into a comfort zone behind a good o-line, and, on those rare occasions when he HAS time, he’s been conditioned to run for his life, and pulls it down too soon, or misses a read.
What fact did I miss? The two QBs who went down in rapid succession in front of him? His actually finishing the season?
It was CLEAR that last year’s o-line could not support the pro set. Where’ve you been? Just because everybody says Thigpen is the reason for the change, the facts suggest otherwise.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
+1
Even Haley said in an interview that Thigpen was put in a bad situation and did good in spite of it. The defense was going through the offense like they weren’t even there. As soon as Thigpen got the ball there were 3 defenders in his face.
On Croyle he did look good but he had our best receiver and still couldn’t get in the end zone. I’ll take a guy who may not look the best but gets in the end zone,over a guy who put up good numbers but can’t score.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 16, 2009 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't hate thigpen
I hate the love he gets from people thinking he is a legit qb…
In the proper role he would be great. wildcat, gadget type of player that comes in every once in awhile. But not a starting qb. He’s bad.
You can't judge a QB by their first year
By your look at things a QB that went 1-15, 9TD’s 18 INT’s and a 52 comp% in his first year would not be on your team. Those are the stats of Troy Aikman his first year, and there are a lot of other great QB’s that didn’t do good their first year.
Who knows if Thigpen will ever be a great QB, but he did better than Aikman did his first year with a way worse defense and HC.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 16, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Like Michael Vick or Pat White.
That makes sense, although Thigpen’s mechanics aren’t as pretty as either of the abovementioned players.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
you meant to say that they DID right?
because I’m pretty sure that the offense that we started with last year with brodie, and the offense that we ended with with Pigpen were very different.
We changed the offense because thigpen sucks and was just about the least accurate passer in the game. In an offense geared towards his strengths of not being a qb, not having an arm, and running around like a chicken with its head cut off.
i'm betting
Thiggy gets traded or is 3rd string. You can’t win with the guy under center. Sure he can make some wierd ass plays happen but the guy is not a QB.
THEY changed the offense, because it was getting QBs KILLED!
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Complete disagreement with the OP on Bowe management
Haley knows what he’s doing. To suggest that Bowe won’t build rapport with him because he’s only catching passes from BC and TT is silly. Good receivers catch every pass from any QB that can get it to him. He doesn’t need Cassell to run crisp routes and catch balls. He needs discipline.
Far from hurting the team, Bowe’s hopefully new-found discipline could be the one gem that makes a run to 500 or better somewhat realistic. If Bowe has a breakout year, it won’t be because of preseason game playing time with Cassell, but because Haley helped him find the light.
I agree that they might not need Cassel
but Cassel needs them. He’s obviously the only QB on our roster that even comes close to being a starter and his recieving core is just lost. He needs to have Bowe and Bradley during these preseason games.
Why?
Other than the case for building rapport with your receivers, which is a pretty good case. I think what we’re seeing is a process of getting better for regulation, and, for whatever reason, Haley’s handling of Bowe seems to be turning Bowe into the kind of reliable receiver we all want.
We all want Bowe and Bradley to be the same, consistent player, day in and day out. Their inconsistency last year was part of the Chiefs’ problem. Certainly not all of the problem, but they only showed flashes, and we want ’em shining BRIGHTLY every play, every quarter, for 16+ games.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I don't think we can give an objective grade at this point
There’s so much that’s happening, that we’re still fine tuning the system. Tyson Jackson is just in camp what…about a week? Being an intergral part of the Defensive line, I don’t think that we can fully appreciate the whole yet. The Offensive line was lackluster, but..there’s still time to get it done right. If Bowe steps up, along with Guys like Toomer there too, I think that QB play will improve considerably. At this point my biggest concern is the Offensive line. I think that D mac is out before the end of camp. I think Herb Taylor gets starting snaps this week. I also think that we surprise folks with an Offensive Line move before the end of camp.
by BetterRedThanDead on Aug 16, 2009 12:44 AM CDT reply actions
Anyone else feel like Bowe isn't close to being out of Haley's doghouse?
Honestly, I loved what Bowe was doing tonight, but I’m still not satisfied to feel comfortable with his game yet and I really hope Haley isn’t either. Even though Haley’s recent actions may have pushed him to go out and prove himself in this game, it still doesn’t mean Bowe is fixed and all is good in the world. The only thing that matters concerning this is that Bowe is NOT content with his performance to get out of the doghouse.
He still needs a lot of work because I don’t see him as a TRUE “breakout candidate” this year as people are predicting. The prediction was based mostly on the situation (TG leaving and making him the No. 1 receiving threat etc) around him concerning the team and not him making a huge stride to elite status. His stats will go up naturally because of the situation and not because it was soley on his improved skills. Also, Bowe was second in drops in the league last year and the team has tested his vision and found nothing wrong with his eyes. I believe it is more of a focus and concentration issue that is impairing his coordination in catching the ball. I think the coaching staff knows this and it’s still a work in progress (their mental games with him).
Tonight’s preseason game only showed us what we’ve already seen or known about Bowe in his last two years in this league. The Chiefs needs a much more mentally improved and never before seen Bowe this season.
+1 Exactly.
Bowe was second in drops in the league last year
I don’t think Haley is playing mind games with Bowe at all, and I don’t think Bowe feels like Haley’s playing mind games. Why does it always have to be about a test of wills? I’m not singling you out, worc, but I think the whole depth chart thing has nothing to do with drama. It has to do with facts, and honesty.
Haley has a scheme for evaluating players and tells them what he thinks, in all honesty. Little things that Bowe was or wasn’t doing that he shouldn’t or should do, respectively. Finally with a HC to tell him what he needs to do to improve, Bowe didn’t drop any passes Saturday, did he?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Good point!
Thanks for pointing that out as it makes more sense from a person like Haley. I think being in LA and having Phil Jackson play mind games with his players constantly, got me into that “mental games” mentality.
Frankly, for all I know, Haley IS playing mind games.
I just don’t think we have enough facts to say he is or isn’t. All we know is there seems to be a 1-to-1 correspondence between what Haley says and what Haley does. Absent evidence to the contrary, I can do nothing other than conclude that he’s just bein’ straight (albeit reserved) in everything he says and does.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Thigpen puts more points on the board
Put him in the game, regular season and we’ll score 20 points easy..Put croyle in the game and were guaranteed to kick some field goals..Croyle has a better arm but at the end of the day I don’t care about who has a better arm if that arm isn’t producing touch downs..
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 16, 2009 1:23 AM CDT reply actions
good thing...
neither of them is our starter. Cassel is.
I think the grading is accurate
For the first preseason game, it was about what I expected. The D is ahead of the O. There were positives and there were negatives. We go back to work and keep practicing to get better.
Like a number of the other commentators, I disagree with the analysis on Haley and Bowe. I don’t think the drop to third string was a humiliation tactic. I think it was honest evaluation of effort and precision in practice. If you listened to Haley’s press conference he said that if you saw Bowe the last couple days of practice he had really stepped up his game. By stepping up the game you move up the chart. Plain and simple with no mind games attached. Between the improvement in practice and the performance in the game, I would tend to say that Bowe will be back on top of the chart this week but if he slacks off and doesn’t put out the effort Haley expects he will slip back down again. I’m not too concerned with the must build rapport argument because like Cassel said in his interview, you have to be ready to work with any of these guys. And these guys have to be ready to work with any of the QBs. Injuries happen and the team must go on.
Another point on the coaching. I thought we looked pretty good as far as running the two minute drills. The situational coaching seems to be working. We didn’t always execute like we should, but at least I didn’t think we looked disorganized and discombobulated.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
+1 on all points. I guess that'd make it a +6 or +7?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Haley's handling of Bowe
Haley gets an “A” for his handling of Bowe and the game proves it. Bowe doesn’t get to set the rules. He will be a part of a TEAM or he doesn’t play. To reward a jackass is to hurt the team. Bowe played great because of the way Haley is handling him.
No, forget the “A.”
A+
Bowe has "played great" for two years before he ever heard of Haley
To give Haley all the credit for Bowe having a good game is not giving credit where its due.
What happens if next week Bowe has a couple drops? Will Haley get credit for those too?
The Bowe thing is just stupid...
…having the best receiver, the only legitimate offensive threat running 3rd string is ridiculous, the team is challenged enough. And as has been said, Cassel needs to build a rapport with Bowe and Bradley needs to be in there. Darling and Copper can’t freakin play I don’t care they do it Haley’s way. His way will get his ass fired if this is an indication I’m starting to feel like Brian Waters. Yes it’s early but please.
I completely
disagree on the Bowe point. I think Haley is handling him perfectly.
Not going to get into grading but...
A few observations….
DJ is going to have a monster year.
The first and second string OLine played really well. We were able to run the ball and the QB had plenty of time. Conversely we might as well cut every offensive lineman who played in the 4th quarter because these arent football players. They made three and four man rushes look like jailbreak blitzes.
Mays and Hali were both bright spots on D. Always around the ball.
Flowers is a stud.
Cassel will be fine. Its not his fault he was playing to WR/TE that are bubble players at best and likely wont even be on this team.
Haleys going to bust their asses over the penalties and turnovers. Thats got to change fast.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
watching Thigpen
I was reminded why we only won 2 games last year. inaccurate, floating passes, tendency to run first, pass second. It was exciting to watch him play last night, just as it was last season, but it way very clear to me why he’s third and Brodie is 2nd.
OK did you watch the same game
Croyle was in the game for about half the 2nd quarter and all of the 3rd and couldn’t score, Thigpen got about 12 mins and scored. I’ll take a QB that can score and stay healthy over one that can’t for my 2nd string any day
Croyle looked good but he had Bowe and had more than 1 second to trow the ball. Our 3rd string offense was letting 2 or 3 defenders get by them on every play
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 16, 2009 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Scored with that Oline no less...
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 16, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
croyle let them to a FG
But, yeah, I agree w rdub.
I saw Thigpen float one over the middle that should have been picked, then throw a terrible pass that did get picked, sealing the loss.
yes, he got a TD… but that was from him running the ball to set up a short, crazy pass… just like last year.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
Last time I checked a TD was better than a FG
I agree Croyle put up some good yards and made some throws but he couldn’t get in the end zone, just like every time he starts. I would rather have a QB that can score a TD no matter how he does it over a FG any time.
Thigpen has scored 3 times as many TD’s as Croyle. When Croyle was starting the Chiefs were scoring around 10 points a game while Thigpen was in it was around 20 points a game.
If Croyle can stay healthy and can get in the end zone, I would be happy for him to be the #2 but until he proves he can do that I will go with the one that has.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Aug 16, 2009 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep. Still question what Croyle can do when it comes to the short strokes.
Red zone offense is still at issue. Hell, it’s still at issue with Cassel, for that matter.
That being said, the great teams (Did I say that out loud?) are typically known for bustin’ out a big play for the score from outside the 20, and Croyle’s probably capable of holding up his part of that deal.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
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