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The Forgotten Five

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Ask any Chiefs fan, or especially any Chiefs fan who reads Arrowhead Pride, and they can list at least a couple of areas of concern this season. They might point to the apparent lack of a receiving target opposite Bowe since Tony G went bye bye. Or some might be concerned about the play of the O line, while others are deeply contemplating the up and down transition of Hali, McBride, Dorsey, and others. No doubt we have some things to iron out before we face the Ravens, but there is one area of the team that is quietly excelling, the Secondary.

                                                                

Everyday I read Training Camp reports that have one common thread, stellar play from the DBs. Interceptions, pass deflections, blanket coverage, big hits. If I can point to a strength of this team, it has to be our secondary. In my mind, this is the deepest we have been at Cornerback and Safety since the Marty days.This may be the one position on the whole team that our 6th and 7th players get looks from other teams when we wittle down to 53. I believe we could see a few of the new additions such as Travis Daniels, last year's pick up Ricardo Colclough, super athlete Donald Washington, or solid Vet Mike Brown making good contributions to this team. Heck, we even have Irving Fryar's boy covering downfield. But the ones leading the charge are definitely Page, Pollard, Flowers, Carr, and Leggett. These five young players have far exceeded my expectations. They all have stepped up very early in their careers in the NFL, and look to be a great nucleus for the Chiefs for many years to come.

Jared Page, AKA Raider Killer, has got to be one of the most underrated Free Safeties in the NFL. He has struggled somewhat with injuries the last few years, but his absence from the lineup last year only accenuated his value to this group. He is huge for a Free Safety, but covers the field well and should be even more deadly in this year's defense.

Bernard Pollard impressed me last year with his rededication to his personal fitness and overall hard work. Although he sometimes looked lost out there, he was still learning on the job, and Pollard''s mistakes are generally of the aggressive nature, which I like. Bonecrusher can definitely be a playmaker, and the fact that Mike Brown has not already wrestled the starting gig away from Bernard says something about  his early play in camp. I am rooting for Pollard as much as anyone.

Brandon Flowers could very well be a Pro Bowler this season. Dude can play. Don't let his somewhat diminutive frame fool you. I was always impressed with his willingness to come up and hit people and his impressive field awareness. He really understands how to play Corner. A++

Brandon Carr has the size to take on some of the bigger wide receivers in the league, and the game has never seemed too big for him. I sometimes question if he has the speed to be a shutdown kind of corner, but if speed were desire, he would run a 4.1 forty.

Mr. Pick 6 himself, Maurice Leggett, appears to have the Nickelback position locked up. One of the faster players on the squad, #31 has come a long way since last preseason, which says a lot to me about his IQ. I expect him to just keep getting better. I know a lot of guys are rooting for him.

Considering that most of us haven't been too worried about how our Secondary has been playing, I definitely think they deserve an early season shout out. While some will definitely argue that these guys are overrated because our run defense was so bad last season that they didn't get tested. Teams didn't have to pass much to beat the Chiefs. But I disagree, they did what was asked of them, kept us in a lot of games, and backed up a very porous run defense for most of the season. With the added competition and depth along the secondary this year, how could you not feel good about them? The NFL is increasingly becoming a pass friendly league.  If these guys are our last line of defense, I think we have a pretty good one. 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I agree that that our secondary is good and is only going to keep getting better. I would just caution Chiefs fans to keep in mind how much Herm went out of his way to protect these guys last year. Essentially when you are running a cover 2 and NEVER send any blitz packages your CBs rarely have to go 1 on 1 with WR down the field. Again, I think these guys are great, but I would guess that we’ll see them get beat a few more times this year because we will be attacking more and leaving these guys out on an island some. Even though they aren’t rookies anymore the CBs will be playing their first year of NFL ball outside the cover 2 so there is bound to be a bit of a learning curve. I think it is most likely that they will continue to improve. I just hope the average fan realizes that they can continue to improve as players AND get beat deep from time to time.

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Aug 13, 2009 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Good point

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by Buck'O on Aug 13, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point

This year will definitely be a bigger test for them. I just kept coming back to the fact that we seldom seem to talk about these guys, and that is a good thing around here! I am very interested to see how the new defensive scheme will help or hurt these guys. One question I have would be: Are any of the corners going to be a liability in man to man coverage? Maybe they are just better as “Cover 2 Corners” like you say…

by TheQ on Aug 13, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only time will tell

Not that it means a lot, but the scouting report on Flowers coming out of college was that he was tailor made for the Cover 2. I read several publications that had him ranked around 4-6 overall among the CB that year, but they all added that he was the #1 Cover 2 corner in the draft. That doesn’t mean he can’t be a shut down corner outside the cover 2 it just means he has the perfect skill set for the cover 2. I would guess the same is probably true for Carr, but there was WAY less information on him going into the draft. I think the CB I am least worried about is Leggett. He seems to be a perfect nickel back to me.

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Aug 13, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Carr played cover 2 in college as well

Everytime I have read Leggett’s name, his is mentioned playing the nickel. That tells me he must be looked at as being the starter at the nickel, and they are getting him as many reps at that position as possible. Washington is so physically gifted, that if he can figure out the D, I would see him matching up against #1 WRs. An account the other day spoke of him shuting down Bowe.

by TheQ on Aug 13, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one thing

About them having to run downfield one on one more is that the QB will hopefully not have as much time to pick out targets and so they won’t have to maintain coverage so long. The front seven should at least put a little pressure on this year.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Aug 13, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another great point

Last year there were many times where they held coverage for a lot longer than should be expected. Pass rush is going to be HUGE to change that.

by TheQ on Aug 13, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 porkchop. When _I_ say this, it's ignored. Glad to see others ARE listening to this cautionary comment.

You’e saying it almost exactly the way I’ve been saying it, to a resounding SILENCE. You bastard. You’re stealin’ my thunder. Robbin’ me of the accolades and deep respect I so richly deserve!

Well stated. Especially that last bit about “get beat deep from time to time.” This could be a problem that crops up for Flowers a bit too often for him to stay on the field in certain situations, or see him moved to nickel back, where his tackling skills, aggression, and proximity to the middle could give the KC nickel an extra bit of NASTY when teams try to run out of spread formations. Mo’ Leggs might be better against taller, faster WRs who are on the low end of the physicality scale, because he can play fast and he plays taller than he tape measure thinks he can.

Also, look for Donald Washington to maybe get some playing time against the D-Bowe types, who aren’t quite as fast, but can overpower smaller d-backs.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 14, 2009 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point

Once again we come back to the question of the pass rush.

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Aug 13, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was suppose to be a response to Zodeman

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Aug 13, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me? Critical?

Yeah, I am curious if our current group of WRs are good enough, but I think the early grade on the DBs is high. Andre Johnson will be a good test. I would love to see what Carr or Flowers can do against my personal favorite WR in the league.

by TheQ on Aug 13, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep. But much as things change,

you can expect there will be safety help to Johnson’s side of the field.

I’d be interested to see if Flowers could turn his hips and stay with Johnson on the out-and-up. I think Flowers’ tendency will be to bite on the pick-6 on the out route, and be embarrassed by the up move if he doesn’t have help. I’d definitely try the pump-fake to the sideline, to burn off a big play against him, just to test him. But I really don’t think he’ll be left on an island against Johnson, who’s one guy you go ahead and spend the extra hat on, in which case, Flowers, as (current) #1 corner, would be just as likely be the guy who singles up against the lesser threat on the opposite side of the field.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 14, 2009 4:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and

they just got backed up by Mike brown and Donald Washington. They could be pretty liberal with rotation since we’re so deep and keep the guys fresher than the opposing offense.

by SillyHatDay on Aug 13, 2009 4:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel that way about more positions this year than last

We do feel especially deep in the secondary though. Last year we were down to street free agents during the last part of the season, and I think Pioli has worked very hard to find his kind of players that could at least improve our depth and special teams.

by TheQ on Aug 13, 2009 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes to both of you.

And that “fresh legs” factor is why some teams seem to just keep playing better the whole game. By the 4th quarter, it’s like two totally different teams facing one another, with the weaker team becoming more and more frustrated, the longer you play, and everyone watching knows the win was deserved.

I like seeing that. Martyball used to be like that, but after hitting a peak in the mid-90s, KC depth just seemed to go on a decline up to the present day. I think this team is deeper than any KC team I’ve seen in a long while. It’s amazing, to me, because most of the moves were fairly unremarkable, pretty modest. And it’s NOT just in the secondary.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 14, 2009 4:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the best secondary team the Chiefs have ever had?

Do they top all of the 90’s Chiefs when we had Ross, Lewis, Carter, etc etc.? I think that by the end of this season, most all critics and AP fans will be saying this is THE Secondary combination to remember for years to come.

by XtaC69Chief on Aug 13, 2009 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No blue chip players!!

My Ass!!! Just wait til next years comes out!!!

by XtaC69Chief on Aug 13, 2009 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

best ever....?

I don’t know yet. They are very good though, and they are miles ahead of anything we had when DV was here. That is good enough for me right now

by midmochieffan on Aug 13, 2009 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love your optimism!

But it would be hard to compare them to those guys…yet. Albert Lewis was one of the best ever IMO, and Carter had a few seasons as a true shutdown corner. Plus they had the MOST EXCELLENT pass rush. If these guys had that kind of help, we could really take a big jump in defensive rankings this season.

by TheQ on Aug 13, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deep breaths, big guy.

They have another 2 or 3 years before such comparisons can be made.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 14, 2009 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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