Chiefs Training Camp Update 8/12 AM
Updated 1:25 PM
Continuing to work in full pads, the Kansas City Chiefs' practice was cut short by 30 minutes today, presumably as a gift from Todd Haley to his players.
A few highlights from the updates we have in so far:
- Herb Taylor is working with the 1st team at RT
- Amani Toomer continues to be the team's standout receiver
- Six Chiefs didn't practice this morning
More updates, after the jump.
General Stuff
- DeMaurice Smith, who succeeded Gene Upshaw as the executive director of the NFL Players Association, is on the field watching the Chiefs practice. (Bob Gretz at CBS Sports)
- Mike Vrabel was seen talking to Smith after practice (UWRF)
- Chiefs coach Todd Haley gave his team a surprise this morning, cutting practice short by 30 minutes. It was the quickest practice in the two weeks the team has been in Wisconsin. (Bob Gretz at CBS Sports)
- 16 sessions deep and this team has yet to go a day without full pads (Josh Looney on Twitter)
- Practice started at 70 degrees and ended at 81 degrees. 78% (!) humidity.
- Former TE Mark Bavaro was helping TEs coach Bob Bicknell today. Bavaro will be with the team through Saturday. (UWRF)
- This is why we love the UWRF staff: "After practice, linebacker Corey Mays dropped his mouth guard on the pavement on his way into Hunt Arena. He commented on how it was gross and talked to a trainer about the situation for a few minutes."
Offense
- Herb Taylor is working at RT with the Chiefs' No. 1 offense in place of Damion McIntosh. (Bob Gretz at CBS Sports)
- WR Amani Toomer drew some praise from Coach Haley yesterday and he made another two solid grabs this morning. (Josh Looney at the Mothership)
- Red zone work continues as the team has devoted nearly 20 minutes to the red zone passing game. (Josh Looney at the Mothership)
- RBs worked on catching low thrown balls (UWRF)
- During the first set of 7-on-7 drills, Cassel completed six consecutive throws. Four of them to Copper and one TD (UWRF)
- During the second set of 7-on-7 drills, Cassel completed four of six passes, including one to Darling for a TD (UWRF)
- Croyle completed 5/6 passes during 7-on-7 drills (UWRF)
- Thigpen went 2/4 with a TD in 7-on-7 drills (UWRF)
- Between two QBs, three consecutive passes went to Toomer (UWRF)
- Rodney Wright dropped an easy pass and heard it ("That's bull(crap)") from Haley (UWRF)
- Thigpen completed a nice pass under pressure from the d-line (UWRF)
- Albert said he has his hands full trying to stop Tamba Hali (UWRF)
Defense
- Chiefs No. 1 draft choice DE Tyson Jackson continues to get extra work after practice with defensive line coach Tim Krumrie. Jackson is trying to make up for the week of practices he missed during contract negotiations. (Bob Gretz at CBS Sports)
- Derrick Johnson knocked down a Cassel pass intended for Cottam during a blitzing drill (UWRF)
- Alex Magee, Tyson Jackson and Corey Mays saw time with the first team (UWRF)
- FA rookie alert: Londen Fryar and Jovan Belcher both knocked down passes today (UWRF)
- On two of three plays intended for Terrance Copper, Flowers and Carr both knocked a pass down (UWRF)
Special Teams
- We’ve seen onside kick work for the first time this camp…looks like the coaches are leaving no stone unturned heading into Saturday. (Josh Looney at the Mothership)
Injuries/Not practicing
- Not participating in morning practice for the Chiefs: Gs Wade Smith and Tavares Washington, S DaJuan Morgan, RB Kolby Smith, ILB Zach Thomas and TE Jake O'Connell. (Bob Gretz at CBS Sports)
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That a boy Herb!
If Herb can steal the starting job from Sackintosh this will be huge. I think Mcsack is useful as a run blocker only. He is too slow to watch Cassel’s right side. If Herb beats him out that is very good for our depth.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
+1 Right now I would say why not just let Herb start? Sacks has shown he can't get it done.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Aug 12, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
McIntosh bad left leg this morning
Was limping after the stretches and was the least flexible Chief on the field. Even stand-up rotational stretches – Albert is loose; Mc is virtually upright. Have to believe Mc is very stiff/sore. Don’t know if that’s normal or just being nicked up.
Thats how he looks all damn year
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 12, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but...
McIntosh did give us a great highlight reel block last year where he bulldozed over a couple of guys after a screen pass. Still love seeing that — probably the only play worth watching with McIntosh..
You are what your record says you are!
Good balance and feet when HE'S deciding where he wants to go.
I keep wondering (out loud, unfortunately) if he’d make sense as a road-grader at guard. A bit slow laterally for right tackle in years past, I just think he’d be a monster in a smaller area, and, from that highlight reel, maybe he missed his calling as a pulling guard?
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I guess we have our #1 WR, I hope Bowe is paying attention.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Aug 12, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions
From camp...
Toomer and Haley have a comfortable relationship that tells me he’s a lock for the 53 at this time. Will organize my notes and try to give you a feel from the sidelines this morning.
+1 I love it
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Go Herb!
Kid has talent and just needs to find a position and stay there. Hope he’s not too small at 6’3, 295, but he is quick and from what I’ve seen has pretty good technique
If Herb can just manage to get in the rushers way
he will be a step up over mac. Even if he gets ran over by the guy at least he will slow him down. All Mac ever did was fling his arm out in an attempt to shove the guy as he was running by./
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 12, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions
This is where I worry about Herb
he’s a quick tackle for sure but at RT you need a big burly guy not a small fast guy. I’m not too much of a Herb homer but if a younger guy beats out the vet it means we’ve improved over last season and I’m all for that
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I believe
I speak for a majority of us when I say
TAKE THE JOB HERB, KEEP THE JOB HERB! GO HERB! pleeeeeease anythng but Mcintosh.
Herb Albert
Not the old trumpet player… These two worked on footwork and handwork with one another after practice today. I assume Albert was giving pointers to Taylor, but hard to say exactly. It was as if they were reviewing things that they were both learning. They’d face each another, simulate a snap, concentrate on their footwork and hands as they went against one another for a second, then talk about it and do it again. Probably 7-8 times. Looked as if they were trying to help one another.
+1
I love this! Our best lineman, our left tackle working tech. with our (hopefully) furture right tackle. You can do it Herb!
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Branden sets the pace
Runs at the end of practice have Albert out front. As far as Herb on the running – let’s just say he won’t be running a fumble any distance into the end zone. Herb looked more like a bowling ball with the line — and without the razor blades.
Took me a minute to know what he was talking about.
Kept thinking “Fat Albert” and wondering about the musical connection, ‘cause I didn’t see one. I grew up on Tijuana Brass.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Write it down
With Todd Haley in town, Branden Albert is going to become as affiliated with the term “LT” as Walter Jones. We have something special with this guy.
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Anyone think Herb is too small for RT?
That would be my only concern. I think he could be a great guard and maybe replace Goff full time in a year at RG… only issue is choice 2 behind McInSack is Colin Brown who we haven’t heard much about which could be a good thing or that he needs time to develop (me thinks the latter)
+1
Although if younger talent supplants veterans it means we’ve improved over last year (unless your head coach is Herm Edwards) so I’m all for Herb or anyone for that matter because RT was a point of weakness for us last season
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
+1
That depth chart was meaningless. Haley is using that to light a fire under some of these other players. (D-Bowe)
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 12, 2009 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
agreed
IMO if handed the option Haley doesnt even make one yet
Greetings everyone from Denver, CO! My first post!
I was thinking last year that Herb Taylor should have been the RT, I heard he was doing really well then. Hope he stays there, we need the upgrade.
Damn Right!
I went to the game in 2007 and one guy gave me the gesture under his chin for me to !@#$ myself. Another asked me if i wanted a hug! Broncos fans are jerks, although I was sitting in 10 degree weather with my bright red chiefs parka. Maybe that was it, but still!
by denverdude_80 on Aug 12, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Denver Broncos 2009
“The Mile High Mistake!”

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 12, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kyle Orton at todays Broncos Training Camp

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 12, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
for good measure

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
by Patrick Allen on Aug 12, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Who would you take, Tranny D or this chick?
by bluechief7 on Aug 12, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
take where?
To a pie eating contest?
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Aug 12, 2009 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
There are lots of us...
Chiefs fans in Denver!
by 5280ChiefsFan on Aug 12, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
We all know who the 5 WR's are gonna be
Bowe, Toomer, Engram, Bradley and Darling..I’d be incredibly surprised if any of these guys are replaced or cut.
Darling did really well in practice last year around this time and he was virtually nonexistant during games..I’m really pulling for him to have a break out year..
But I happen to believe Bowe, Bradley, Toomer, and Engram will see the majority of playing time..But hell what I know? I’m basing everything on last year and what I’ve seen..Darling certainly has the speed and stature to be solid for us this year..I guess we shall see
by CALIFAN1986 on Aug 12, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions
Darling looked smooth
Drops and catches were too many for me to list this morning. There were no drops by any of the WRs in the opening drill as they took crossing route passes from coaches. That was heartening after hearing reports about all the drops.
Wright up and down
Rodney looked good and bad at times. He didn’t do well during the drill in which the coaches hit the WR with pads at the same time the ball arrives. Took him three tries to make a catch. (If you drop it, you keep at it until you catch it.)
The last play of 11 on 11 was a pass to Wright in the flat. He stone-handed it, and it drew quite a smaterrings of disgusted sounding “Rodney!” from several players and coaches.
Even with these 5
I think theres still room for a 6th WR for ST duties if one steps up.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Aug 12, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Legalize Herb!
If Taylor starts on one end and Albert on the other, I guess that makes our OL Herb, Albert and the Tijuana Brass.
That’s an old reference that no one under 40 would get, so maybe I’d better go back to looking for other nicknames. Like Mike “Turn Your Head And” Goff.
by Offense of the 70s on Aug 12, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions
Herb Taylor

also, a good guy.
D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.
Kick-off returns
Londen Fryar and Rodney Wright alternated running back 8-10 kick-offs. Fryar looked good. Wright looks just a tad tentative. Fryar caught simulated punts off the machine after practice. He came over to the two kids by me to sign autographs. I asked him if he was going to be taking kicks this Saturday. He gave me a firm, “Yeah!” Could be just confident self-talk, but from what we say in practice, I’d expect to see Wright and Fryar back for kick-offs against the Texans. Things could change, obviously.
I really hope Fryar makes the team.
The kid has talent and heart, and the bloodlines to be successful.
by nateforchiefs on Aug 12, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Id expect to see Savage/Lawrence on kickoffs as well
I really hope Herb takes this opportunity and runs with it, he never looked comfortable at RG, constant False Starts.
Copper Time
Terrance Copper surprisingly got a lot of time with the first team at WR this morning. He looked sharp, for the most part. Thigpen and Bowe were on second shift. People like Copper, Taurus Johnson and Wright look like second teamers when compared to Bradley, Engram, Bowe and Toomer. Part of it is their size. Part of it is their body language as they catch the ball. Bowe is expecting to catch it and keep going. Wright, for example, is focused on catching the ball and the running almost comes to a stop, if that makes sense.
Didn't look hurt
And he took half of the kickoff returns at the end of practice. Just looks like he’s trying so hard and appears a little stiff at times. That drop to end the 11-11 session really hurt. Not that one play makes that much of a difference, but it deflated the entire offense to some degree.
Wrights looked good in the initial WR warm-ups. Then had difficulty with low balls in a drill where the WR runs back toward the coach and they throw a ball at them around their knees. Then Wright had real problems with the simultaneous catch/pad thwack from the assistants. Catching the ball in traffic wouldn’t rate high — based on this one, short practice. Bowe, on the other hand, goes through the pads almost as if they’re not there. Bradley jammed a finger or something when the ball went right into the pads as he was trying to catch it.
Practice time effectively 8:45-10:30 this morning
It’s true they officially finished “early’” at 10:30, but I’d say 25 players continued to work in different parts of the campus after 10:30. Many with coaches. Gutierrez threw for another 25 minutes. He got very few reps during 7/7 and 11/11. Playbook issues, maybe?
Practice started at 8:45. Defense was getting instruction from Clancy on assignments when the offense goes in motion. LBers would shout out adjustments to one another as other D players simulated the offense putting players in motion. Part of this activity was having the fake offense go into a huddle, break and then have the D move to the correct positions depending on where the O sent the WRs. They probably did about 15-20 of these 30 seconds apart.
A little later, the D was practicing against one another. Vrabel stands there watching the others intently when the starters are not in the action. It’s as if he’s a coach who is going to instruct others as soon as they’re done. He’s definitely a leader as seen by the coaches, and I assume the same is true of the other players. Studebaker was hanging close to him during this time, as if to wait for a nugget of insight to come out of Vrabel’s mouth.
Pollard and Pendergrast
These two seemed to be on the same wavelength during practice, and then spent a good 10 minutes talking with one another after practice. It was as if they were reviewing situations and problem-solving how to do things. Looked good.
Vrabel and Waters
DeMaurice Smith, who succeeded Gene Upshaw as the executive director of the NFL Players Association, is on the field watching the Chiefs practice
Mike and Brian were in an informal group of three to four guys in dress slacks for 20 minutes after practice. I don’t know, but I would assume that DeMaurice Smith was among the group. They were having a fun convo. I can’t read lips, but perhaps Waters was asking Smith if he could get Waters a meeting with Pioli. (No! I didn’t go there. Drop it already. Sorry.)
LBers
From left to right, the 1st team LBers today were
(LOLB) 50 Vrabel – 56 DJ – 51 Corey Mays – 91 Hali (ROLB)
Didn’t have a great angle for any feedback on how they played.
Interesting
I thought DJ would be playing the RILB spot (so that when Hali rushed the QB, DJ would essentially be playing Will…in this setup he’s playing Mike)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
Let me add to that, PV
DJ and Mays would switch sometimes as the O huddle broke. It appears it depended on whether there was a slot receiver or some other set dictated by the offense. From the little I could tell, it seems like the ILBers may be somewhat interchangeable, not a strict right and left. And hey, just in case anyone from Baltimore is reading this…All eleven defenders lined up in different spots on every play! You have know idea where anyone will be at the snap! bwahahahahaha
What's the injury that Zach Thomas is nursing?
I know he hasn’t practiced in almost a week.
Ive been wondering the same thing but, there is no info out there.
As long as he is ready for Baltimore, it’s all good.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Red Zone 7 on 7 - QBs
- Cassel threw a fade while Amani ran a hook in the endzone in practice this morning. Still need time together. Otherwise, Cassel has good, strong passes. Thigpen generally throws a wobbly ball, but it gets there.
- Brodie ended up hanging on to the ball during the 7 on 7 redzone drill. I guess he didn’t want to make a mistake. And perhaps a receiver made a mistake. But Brodie didn’t look good doing it. Is his confidence there?
Dorsey
Whats going on with Glen, I haven’t heard much lately or I’ve just been missing it?
Observations from camp - bye for now
Okay, that’s about all from my notes. Hope that helped give some of you a feel of what happened at camp this morning. I’ll be at the afternoon session, but then drive home, so won’t do comments until morning, I suspect. Have to get laptop recharged. Go Chiefs!
"Albert said he has his hands full trying to stop Tamba Hali "
Two things on this. One, good news on Tamba. Two, this means the depth chart was obviously not right and Haley is just writing names down(maybe a couple intentional to get their attention) and the lineup in Madden is obviously flawed too as they had Vrabel at ROLB and Hali at LOLB also.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

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