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Well Chief's fans, its a preview to what we've all been waiting for. Its game week. Since its preseason, its only right that we prepare for the season as well. Its time to break out the grills, stock up on meat, pump up the football and purchase your tickets. We take tailgating damn near as serious as we do for the football team. Shoot, we care more about tailgating at the Chiefs games than anything that has to do with the Royals.

Heading into the 1st preseason game, I'm going to compile a list of things to watch, both Positive and Negative. After the preseason, I plan on re-visiting the post to reflect on what we learned from preseason. The day before the 1st game, I will release my season predictions and hope they go well. Plus, that will give us something to debate in the final hours for the Opening Game against Baltimore.

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First, let's start with the positives.

1. New Attitude. Coach Haley has brought a whole new atmosphere to the team. He's held a very physical camp thus far, which is great. Herm was somewhat conservative in his camps and that hurt us. We were clearly not ready for game speed at the start of last season. Haley has a hardnosed, no nonsense approach which is great. You can divide most coaches into two catagories. Players Coach and Team Coach. A Players Coach tends to be friendly with most players, they point out mistakes and have you try again. They deal with these mistakes over and over. They coach you to be better but they dont really get after you. Team Coaches dont care about any individual on the field. If a player messes up, no matter who he is, hes going to be hounded. Hes going to run. If someone makes a mistake, depending on what it is, the whole team is going to suffer. I love that approach because it simulates a game situation. In practice, if you fumble, you get the ball right back and try again. You dont learn from it. In a game, you turn the ball over and the whole offense fails. 1 player mistake can affect the whole team. By getting in the players face, making him run, benching him, whatever, you are planting in his head to not make mistakes. If you turn the ball over, the whole team runs. Good. Because in a game situation, you'd be running to the sidelines anyway.

2. Better Shape. Last year, we were not conditioned well. This was evident in the 2nd half, specifically the 4th quarter. NYJ? TB? SD2? 3 games we easily could have won. Better conditioning may have been the difference. 7 games by 7 points or less? Those are games that are winnable if you execute. If youre tired and making mistakes mentally, we dont stand a chance. IMO, thats what happened way too frequently last season. Being in shape may not win us any games, but in gives us a much better chance. The 4th quarter is where games are won and lost. Being in top shape keeps you focused late in the game.

3. Secondary. Our secondary WILL be one of the best in the league. This year? I dont know. But we have a strong unit who will continue to play together, bond, and grow. With more experience, these guys are deadly. Not only do we have a great CB tandem, but also a great Safety tandem. Page has shown he can be a ball hawk at Free Safety by putting up 10 INT's in his first 3 years. He had Jared Allen putting pressure on QB's for a bit, but with a more consistant pass rush, coming from all directions like they will be in the 3-4, that should only help his numbers. Page has shown he can hit also. Bernard Pollard led the team in tackles last year. Thats not a good thing, but there is a positive way to look at it. Pollard has been in a Tampa 2..but hes not that guy. The Strong Safety position is primarily Run Support. Yes, they do cover as well, which has been Pollards weakness, but the guy can hit and hit hard. Hes a bonecrusher and with more experience, will thrive. Mike Brown excelled at both aspects. He was a great ball hawk. He could drop back in coverage, read the play/QB and jump the route. But he was also a great tackler which helped him in run support. Page and Pollard can both learn from Brown.

4. Cassel. We have a traditional QB, period. Hes tall, hes smart, hes a born leader. What else can you ask for? His accuracy isnt bad and will continue to get better. He's proved he can play with players around him. But can he bring out the best in his players? That remains to be seen. The spotlight is on him this year. The team is his. Since the departure of TG, we no longer have a 'face of the franchise'. I wouldnt quite give that to LJ, though I like what I've heard this offseason. This is Cassels chance to prove all the naysayers wrong.

5. Dorsey. Though he showed up out of shape, he has whipped himself back in shape and made some plays in camp. Last year, he was not used to his ability. At LSU, he was a penetrator. He'd fight into the backfield to make tackles or put pressure on the QB. So far, in the 3-4, he has done just that. Thats great to hear from camp reports considering some people thought we were planning on trading him and that "he wont work out" as a DE in the 3-4.

6. Hali. Again, this is based on Camp Reports like Dorsey. Hali took some time, but has adjusted fairly well to OLB. I havent heard much on his coverage, but as a point was made before, there are many 3-4 OLB's who dont drop back and cover very often. Ware, Harrison, guys like that. Hali has gotten after the QB and hopefully he has developed an inside move so that hes not relying on his speed around the corner all the time. That resulted in too many over pursuits and missed tackles. From what I've heard, I like Hali's transition and I think he will handle it well.

7. DJ. I've heard his name alot so far in camp. Learning from Z. Thomas is going to work wonders from him. Beisel and Vrabel will have a hand in teaching him too but learning from a tackle machine like Thomas is really going to make the difference for DJ. Hes batted down balls, gotten after the QB and made some hits in camp. I like what I've heard about him thus far and he should do well with the support that he has.

8. LJ. We've all had this talk. LJ is on a contract year, hes been whipped into line by Pioli and Haley and he feels hes going to thrive. He mentioned being apart of a power run offense and that he is excited to be the premier back. Im estatic about this, but I still have my eye on him. I'm waiting until he has less than 20 carries, while Charles grabs about 10-15 that LJ COULD have had. If we lose a game like that, we should really see a true reaction from LJ. If he handles it well, than hes on board to the fullest in my book. So far, he's also had a great camp, shedded wait and shouldnt be getting caught from behind anymore. I cant wait for his 1st big run.

9. Charles. Hes fumbled a few, but hes had a fairly good camp. Hes broke off some big runs but most importantly, hes a deadly weapon. He'll make the screen productive again and should see many balls coming his way out of the backfield. The rest..well..thats up to him to make it happen. He has a great attitude this year and I'm excited to see him play.

That covers most of the positives that I have noticed about camp. These are simply things I have noticed and taken a positive note from. EVERYONE in camp has something go wrong but its how they rebound from that. Cassels thrown picks, Charles has fumbled the ball, the Secondary has allowed big gains, but thats football. These are just things that I've come to be very excited about heading into the season.

Now for the negatives.

1. OL. The D is getting too many sacks. Cassel has thrown some picks and I think pressure is probably the likely cause. Not saying Cassel cant throw a bad pass, but I do think the OL has something to do with it. LJ and JC have been stuffed quite a bit. There is a positive taken from this though as the DL must be doing their job to stop the run. But, is this because the DL is playing good, or because the OL is playing bad? I havent heard alot about Albert or Waters or Goff so that may be a good thing. I havent heard much about Niswanger either. Could it be that with the addition of Goff, he no longer has to worry about Adrian Jones mistakes? I have seen reports about D-Mac getting beat a few times which is not a good sign..

2. Vrabel, Beisel, Thomas. These guys have missed alot of practices. Why havent Engram, Toomer, or Goff been sitting out as much as these guys? These guys are missing more time than I expected and I'm not happy about it. I do agree they should have days to rest but all of them? I mean..shouldnt they all play together 1 day, maybe Vrabel have this day off and Thomas that day off. I think its a bad approach to have 2 or more of these guys off at the same time. Its just..not good preparation. They need to be playing together with the 1st team defense. IMO, they should suit up EVERY DAY, and just maybe not participate in the full practice.

3. Bowe. This one concerns me. Bowe has dropped many passes in his 1st 2 seasons as a Chief and thus far in camp, its not getting any better. Dont get the wrong idea, I am NOT comparing these guys except for in the way I'm about to explain. Samie Parker. He dropped ALOT of easy passes. He dropped some tough ones too. But wasnt it frustrating to see him make a great catch for a big gain, and then turn around and drop the simple 5 yard catch with open field in front of him? DBowe is WAYYYY more talented than Parker, but if he cant catch the ball, hes heading in the same direction. Bowe makes some spectacular catches but he drops some easy ones. I hope he shakes this off. Maybe he should get some new gloves..

4. Nose Tackle. Tank hasnt stepped up in camp and taken the spot from Ron Edwards. This could spell trouble, but remains to be seen. For that reason, I'm not going to elaborate on this until I see them in action.

5. Offense. In general..the defense has been dominating over the Offense from what I have read. Again, that raises the question, is it because our O is that bad, or because our D is that good?

 

In closing, these are general thoughts about the team from initial impressions of training camp reports. Much of these positives and negatives are simply things that I'm looking for in camp. I'm looking to be proved wrong on each side. Hopefully, none of the positives are proven false, and all of the negatives are proven false.

Poll
What position group will thrive the most this season?
Offensive Line
1 votes
Defensive Line
16 votes
Linebackers
16 votes
Defensive Backs
60 votes
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
5 votes
Quarterback(s)
5 votes
Runningbacks
14 votes

117 votes | Poll has closed

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good post

I’m thinking the biggest positives will be:
Secondary
Defensive End
Linebackers
(so, basically, the whole defense… as compared to last year)

The point you made about ZT and others taking days off… I’m not concerned a bit.
I think it’s pretty common for vets to take time off during Camp, and the coaches already know what they can do. My thought is that they are giving more reps to the other guys to see who should be cut, and who should make the final 53.

Bowe will be fine. I’m not worried about him either.

The OL could be an issue… though it’s really hard to tell now.
NT… same thing, too early to tell.

"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"

by stagdsp on Aug 11, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

agreeded

I think the vet lbs are fine, they may also be sitting so they stay fresher

by midmochieffan on Aug 11, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

The only reason I’m worried about the vets having time off is the fact that they arent there to bond or “gel” with the defense. I mean..these guys have missed alot of time combined. How many practices have thomas and vrabel BOTH been apart of? I could be wrong..but to me..it seems like very few. Now, I’m not sayin they dont know what to do, or anything like that. It just worries me that if DJ gets used to playing with Mays next to him and learns what Mays does in certain situations, it could mess DJ up when Thomas steps back in and handles something a different way.

But all in all, I too think the D will be alright, but as of now, I’m a bit worried about it. Not overly worried, but its been on my mind.

Yeah. OL and NT are just too early to tell since we dont really hear much about them.

by Petey14 on Aug 11, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hard to say.

Another theory is that, by holding them out, they can raise the intensity level by bringing them back. Related to this line, they might want to be able to see how they can move people around, who are farther down on the depth chart, and what combinations seem to work. The more variations they can see in camp without having known quantities on the field gives them more flexibility down the road if/when injuries or other game situations arise. In the first few games, especially, it might give the Chiefs a few unscouted surprises for other teams – get them to misread a substitution package.

Most likely, though, the vets simply got nicked up a bit, and all else is just us overthinking things, which I know a lot of you guys do. ;o)

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 12, 2009 4:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point

I never really thought about it as different packages and subs. But yes, im definately one of those people who over thinks EVERYTHING.

by Petey14 on Aug 12, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

i think our runningback will have a good year as well

by matt40destoyer on Aug 11, 2009 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

If we can (and I think we will)

provide a better pash rush this year I think our dbacks may even lead the league in Ints. Im looking forward to some Chiefs secondary in the Pro Bowl this year ! My guess..Page and Flowers :)

by tomahawk44 on Aug 11, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

I think Page and Flowers will make it before Pollard or Carr. Carr played well last year but I think he still needs some more experience before he gets to Pro Bowl caliber. Pollard could surprise us though. Seems like hes been dishing out some hits.

by Petey14 on Aug 11, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah

I think its close between Page but Im def. a huge Page fan henc Tomahawk 44 lol but I hope to see Pollard knocking the hell out of some guys! Id love to see DHB get hammered by him in week 2 and put him out for a while:) he cant stay healthy anyway hes had like 4 “minor” injuries since being a Raider

by tomahawk44 on Aug 11, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahahahah

Yeah it’d be GRAND to see DHB get smacked. He’s already struggling in camp with catchin the ball and like you said hes had “minor” injuries. I cant wait for Pollard to welcome him to the NFL :-)

by Petey14 on Aug 11, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

4. Nose Tackle. Tank hasnt stepped up in camp and taken the spot from Ron Edwards. This could spell trouble, but remains to be seen. For that reason, I'm not going to elaborate on this until I see them in action.

Theres no fact to back up this negative. Depth chart means nothing and I have heard Tylers name mentioned in good light a number of times and Edwards is MIA in the reports.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Aug 11, 2009 7:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Bring It On

Three days and 19 hours before the gates of Arrowhead open. I don’t care that it is only a preseason game. Parking lot D, my grill, and some ice cold beer have a reservation on Saturday. I can’t wait to see what our new team looks like and hopefully I get some hope for the season. I hope there are plenty of encouraging posts after the game and we’re not posting about how this season might turn out to be a disaster. I just want some hope after the last two years. I want to see grill smoke hovering in the air of the parking lot, talk to some new people, share some food, talk some Chiefs football, and of course, hear plenty of Gary Glitter. GO CHIEFS!!!

by raiderhater77 on Aug 11, 2009 8:21 PM CDT reply actions  

One Negative

The biggest negative of the off season is Adam Teicher’s voice automatically starts every time I try to go to the Kansas City Star to check on their Chiefs news. It’s like nails on a chalkboard. I hate that guy! At least we have AP!

by raiderhater77 on Aug 11, 2009 8:50 PM CDT reply actions  

His unwonted negativity has been proven right during previous administrations.

Sometimes I think he misses the underlying causes, but even just seeing and reporting a few of the symptoms can be enlightening. He does more than most to distill a large number of observations into overall impressions.

As usual, I’m sitting here in the offseason hating what he says and hoping he’s full of shit, but I’m still keeping tabs on what he says, because there’s often a kernel of truth buried under what he says.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 12, 2009 4:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Thomas and Vrabel won't start

I would think this a positive. Corey Mayes seems to want to run the D and maybe that is a great thing. With the depth chart provided by Haley for the Houston game, I am not sure who would supplant Vrabel but if someone, Gilberry or Studebaker, or McBride step up all for the better. The vets teach and mentor and come in to show the pups if we get in a bad situation.

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 11, 2009 8:59 PM CDT reply actions  

That's a good guess.

You want to see some of the younger guys show what they can do with the #1s, and maybe there’s not much to be gained by running Thomas and Vrabel with the #2s. And maybe this has something to do with the appearance of a Vince Redd, to be camp fodder, all due respect to Redd.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 12, 2009 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice post

O line worries me a little. I want to see how they protect our QBs against the Texans. Hopefully Super Mario will play and we can see where Albert is at.

by TheQ on Aug 11, 2009 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Our secondary

I really hope our secondary is a good as everyone says ( ive been in love with B. Flowers since his first few starts at va tech) the only problem i see with this is that we were so easy to run on i doubt that we really know how good these guys will be. its not like we had a lead for them to protect that they actually held last yr. and with teams slamming through our porous front 7 its not like there was any reason to pass on us.

by NakedBootleg on Aug 12, 2009 12:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Even though

we had a weak run defense, teams still passed against us. Cutler threw 49 and 40 times against us, Favre threw 40, Garcia threw 43, Rivers threw 36 (We held LT to 78 yards on 22 attempts) and 48 the second game, Brees threw 36, Trent Edwards threw 32, Pennington threw 34, and even Fitzpatrick from CIN threw 30 passes.

Our run defense was TERRIBLE at the start of the season but it DID get a little better as the season went on. We still didnt have agreat run D but atleast we werent giving up 200+ yards a game anymore. The reason why teams passed so much was because our Pass rush was so pathetic. Any QB in the NFL should be able to pick apart a secondary if he has as long in the pocket as we gave QB’s last year. When we start getting after the QB and forcing bad throws, our secondary is going to shine!

by Petey14 on Aug 12, 2009 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice Post, Petey.

Nice facts in your Even though comment, too. Personally, I feel like Flowers will be tested. He may not have as much safety help over the top, and this lack might expose him as a liability. Last year, he could play aggressively and rely on downfield help if he was beaten over the top, so he looked good closing on the ball underneath and somebody else got the blame if things went awry past 10 yards.

The reason I’m becoming more optimistic about the secondary are reports from camp that Washington seems to be thriving. It sounds like he has his head on straight, and maybe his problems in college were more about being a man in a boy’s world. He has the NFL size, speed, and athleticism for which there are no substitutes. Marry that with his embrace of the system, and he could become a star nobody’s expecting at this point.

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Aug 12, 2009 4:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Washington

I remember when they drafted him Haley saying he had good experience covering the slot which takes a special skill set. I expect to see him a lot if we play a team with a really good slot receiver, and being able to shut that down.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Aug 12, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Yeah my comments from the “Even Though” comment just kinda came out. Haha..I was thinking that I remembered Cutler and Favre throwing all over the place, and I also remember watching games wondering why teams were passing so much on us. So I looked up all the game stats. Man..our run D was TERRIBLE at the start of the season. I didn’t realize it was as bad as it was.

The only reason I’m worried about Flowers is his size. If he were more like Carr’s size, I would be extremely happy. NFL.com has him listed at 5’9, 187lbs. This is going to be a big test for him this year.

I’m also excited about Washington, but I dont think he’ll contribute much this year, unless he beats out Leggett which isnt out of the question, but I did like what I saw from Leggett last year.

by Petey14 on Aug 12, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're wrong about the O line

Goff, Niswanger, and Mcintosh are getting their names called on every sack. It’s their fault for that. And thats bringing waters and albert down too. Goff especially sucks.

by TonylovesKC on Sep 5, 2009 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Help me out, here.

Or not. I guess maybe it’s easiest to wait until we hear of more changes, although I’m still trying to place that Goldberg character in memory. Is he still on the team?

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 5, 2009 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just wouldn't be surprised to see 3 new guys starting in a week.

Wait. Are you saying McIntosh is still in the lineup? He ain’t…

No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.

by hmills110 on Sep 6, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

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