The Kansas City Chiefs 2009 Unofficial Depth Chart
by Chris Thorman on Aug 10, 2009 9:07 PM CDT
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Courtesy of OCD-CHIEF, we have an "updated," "unofficial" depth chart for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
This comes courtesy of this week's press release about the Chiefs' first preseason game this Saturday against the Houston Texans.
OCD-CHIEF got us the order and TheQ has famously supplied the chart you'll see after the jump. I've updated TheQ's depth chart with the info OCD-CHIEF provided this evening.
Let us know what you think.
| R. Price | D. Morgan | |||||||||
| J. McGraw | M. Brown | |||||||||
| J. Page | B. Pollard | |||||||||
| Free Safety | Strong Safety | |||||||||
| P. Walters | C. Smith | V. Redd | ||||||||
| T. McBride | D. Williams | J. Belcher |
A. Studebaker |
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| T. Hali | M. Beisel | C. Mays |
M. Vrabel | |||||||
| OLB | D. Johnson | Z. Thomas | OLB | |||||||
| ILB | ILB | J. Bates | ||||||||
| D. Gales | D. Washington | |||||||||
| L. Fryar |
A. Magee | D. Lokey | B. Greenwood | T. Daniels |
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| R. Colclough | W. Gilberry | T. Tyler | T. Jackson | M. Leggett | ||||||
| B. Carr | G. Dorsey | R. Edwards |
A. Boone |
B. Flowers | ||||||
| Cornerback | Def. End | Nose Tackle | Def. End | Cornerback | ||||||
| Wide Receiver | Tackle | Guard | Center | Guard | Tackle | Tight End | Wide Receiver | |||
| D. Darling | B. Albert | B. Waters | R. Niswanger | M. Goff | D. McIntosh | B. Cottam | T. Copper |
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| M. Bradley | H. Taylor | W. Smith | E. Ghiaciuc | T. Washington | B. Richardson | S. Ryan | A. Toomer |
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| B. Engram |
C. Goldberg | D. Harris | B. De La Puente | C. Brown |
J. O'Connell | D. Bowe |
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| Q. Lawrence | T. Crabtree | T. Johnson | ||||||||
| R. Wright | Slot Receiver | J. Webb | ||||||||
| B. Engram | Quarterback | |||||||||
| Q. Lawrence | Fullback | M. Cassel | Tailback | |||||||
| R. Wright | M. Cox | B. Croyle |
L. Johnson | |||||||
| J. Collins | T. Thigpen |
J. Battle | ||||||||
| M. Gutierrez |
J. Charles | KR/PR | Punter | |||||||
| Long Snapper | Kicker | D. Savage | Q. Lawrence | D. Colquitt | ||||||
| T. Purdum | R. Succop | K. Smith |
R. Wright | |||||||
| J. Williams |
D. Savage | |||||||||
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Wow.
Alex Magee and Dwayne Bowe are 3rd string? Boone and Copper are starters? Hmm…
Indeed.
Also, I thought Richardson was working out at left guard and Taylor at right tackle?
I know Taylor has been playing some right guard
Dont’ remember about Richardson at left guard though. Not to say it’s not true. I just dont’ remember reading that.
by Chris Thorman on Aug 10, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Still I know what you're saying
This isn’t an exact reflection of what we’ve been hearing in camp.
Case in point – Rodney Wright at receiver.
by Chris Thorman on Aug 10, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Bowe
Why is Bowe 3rd string? He may be making some mistakes in camp but he is still clearly better than the others. When season comes around Haley better have Bowe at no. 1. If bowe is not playing 1st string come season something is messed up. I will have to question Haleys decisions. I know its just camp/preseason and Haley is trying to make a point and maybe pissed off at bowe and maybe im taking this too seriously.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
maybe`
there is no maybe about it~ youre taking it too seriously~
Lots of wake up calls in this PRE depth chart! and god forbid if you have to question Haleys decisions! that would be just awful nate! lol
GOOO CHIEFS!
Ol' Kansan' Chief
by Kansan_Chief on Aug 10, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea
Yea but Haley is crazy, who knows what that man would and could do.
Let’s just get started. Week 1, where are you?
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
Do you~
want the players knowing what this MAN COULD AND WOULD DO, kinda like they knew what HERM would and DID do?
I wouldnt! I want them to be thinking, I BETTER GIVE IT MY ALL or this crazy MF might bench my azz!
THATS what I would and COULD do, ifn i was the crazy coach of the chiefs~ as you call him that is~
WHERE AM I~ right where I been since the early 70’s~ wearing my RED, Bleeding my RED and READY for that start of the season also!
Nate god forbid if you have to question a crazy coach~ thats just plain awful!
Ol' Kansan' Chief
by Kansan_Chief on Aug 13, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Playing time
Maybe he wants him to step up and thinks he needs to see how Bowe will play in a game situation, thus Haley puts him on 3rd string to play a lot more Saturday. I’m not sure, just a thought.
-Robbie
by Chiefsfan2012 on Aug 11, 2009 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Bowe shows signs of reading his own press clippings.
And he’s just not consistent enough. We’re looking for a development in him that the old way of doing things didn’t quite produce. At his level, you’d think he’d run routes with the best of ‘em. He seems satisfied with a couple big plays, and he seems to think there are details that he’s too good to improve upon. These little details. That one extra little bit of consistency is what we all want to see, so he becomes more than just a Tony G. fantasy pheenom. We want a winner.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I Sure Hope This Is Not Right
I am okay with Bowe being third string for the preseason game but if he is not starting when we open the season we are going to have more problems than I thought we were. I heard the Haley said that we are going to play the people we feel will give us the best chance to win when asked why Bowe was not playing with the first team at practice but come on. I hope he is just trying to make a point with Bowe. If we are not going to start Jackson then why did we give him so much money? My guess and hope is that this is just for the first preseason game.
We've all been talkin' about Bowe like he was a sure-fire starter.
Maybe he’s been acting like he thinks so, too. Something has to change for him to transition from inconsistent big-play receiver to consistent big-play receiver. You can’t predict that the new approach by Haley will produce the desired result. All we know is that the previous approach fell short. He has the tools and he doesn’t let the ball get into his chest. He just needs to run smarter, crisper routes and hold on to the ball when it comes his way.
I’m taking everything to do with WR with a huge grain of salt. We know the Chiefs lacked consistent threats last year. We’ve seen a couple no-name rookies and a couple aging veterans come in. And we know Haley’s had success in the past with talent eval and WR development. That’s all we know, and if Haley disappoints, it wouldn’t be the first time a wunderkind did the same. Like o-line, WR will be a big question-mark until regulation.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
You better believe that the Houston Texans will NOT have all the 1st string players playing.
This is just preseason, and none of this is set in stone.
OLB scares me...
Tamba and Turk… that seems like our weakest position on the defense. Also, I was hoping that Tank would win that starting NT job… wasn’t he doing well?
based on recent comments
OLB could be becoming a strength
Hali is looking quick off the edge… Vrabel is a leader, coach… and can still PLAY…
there’s plenty of competition at all the LB spots, and i think they could be a deep, athletic group that can play special teams, too.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
I think D will be a strength.
Nice combo of talent and philosophy, to my eye.
Moves on offense were more modest. They better have somethin’ with the guys they already have, or make a splash at some point. Otherwise, I’ll not like the idea of extending a long-term deal to Cassel before the castle’s built. Sink that cash and your draft picks into o-line, before you risk big money on the guy who relies on ’em. It keeps your RBs healthy, too.
Still a long way to go in training camp, a lot of money still in the pot, and some intriguing players out there and soon to appear, and the Chiefs are #3 in line for every player that appears on the wire.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
yeah, don't put much stock in this
I don’t know where the info came from, exactly…
but, it doesn’t mean much. Haley has been preaching the “competition” and “nobody should be too comfortable” thing from day one.
Bowe is obviously the Chiefs #1 receiver. no question.
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
This is supplied by the team
Though I would bet a million beer gloves this isn’t the way it turns out.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 10, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice Safe bet methinks :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 10, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, I have to ask...
What the heck is a beer glove? I’ve heard this term a few times on here. I get betting beers, but beer gloves? ;)
You are what your record says you are!
Line play
O line worries me the most – the right 3/5s. I know it’s important to have a reliable backup LT, but it would be a shame to have Herb Taylor sit on the bench too long if the right side of the line (RT especially) can’t cut it.
D line is up and coming, but I still think we’re a year away and will give up a lot of rushing yards this year. That’s my second biggest concern. But the team is headed in the right direction, imo. I expect more defensive scores this year.
by sunny D on Aug 10, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I keep thinking that things are really different this year
I don’t expect us to be world beaters, but I like what Pioli has started here more than I thought I would. I think you are right and we are headed in the right direction!
I ont know why people have so much faith in the new regime. Putting Bowe 3rd string isnt going to help his confidence. Im not down talking haley/pioli but im just wondering where all the blind faith is coming from.
if Bowe isn't motivated by this I think it speaks more about Bowe than Haley. . .
Everyone motivates differently. Obviously the previous regime’s way didn’t work. I’ve seen this style work both ways. I think it is great to send a message that nothing is guaranteed and that you have to do what is expected in order to play.
by tebunker on Aug 10, 2009 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
WORD
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
by chiefsinchina on Aug 10, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
We're homers, doug.
But I don’t think lack of confidence is Bowe’s problem.
+1, tebunker.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
meant that to be here...
WORD (X2)
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
by chiefsinchina on Aug 10, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point.
But I’ve seen as many coaches propelled to guru status by being blessed with good players, and then FLOP, when they had to cook up somethin’ from scratch. If Fitzgerald or Boldin came to KC, they’d INSTANTLY be the best WR on the roster.
Haley hasn’t had much time to select his own guys at WR, and KC has only made quiet, team-building moves, laying a foundation.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I think we all know pretty much who will make the team on the defense
give or take a linebacker or D lineman. But Haley did us no favors by disguising his WR depth chart. and Jackie Battle’s meteoric rise to #2. As good as he could be , I heard Charles was one of the better players at camp. Wide receiver, Running back, Tight End, O line depth, and Kick returner seems to be the positions that could have a surprise or two. I still think a couple of waiver wire pick ups will find their way onto the team and push some of our hopefuls off.
by TheQ on Aug 10, 2009 10:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
True Dat
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 10, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
watch jackie battle's combine and highlights
i have no problems AT ALL with him playing and playing quite a bit….. he’s 240 for christ sake and runs a low low low 4.4…. Him and LJ bashin people and then jamaal comin in and flyin around…. that’s cool with me
Mike Jacobs.... I hope your bat has as much lift as your hair does.....
by iNaLeXwEtRuSt on Aug 11, 2009 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions
And Battle just looks quicker without the ball and as a receiver.
Secures the ball and makes a football move about one beat quicker than LJ. That competition will be interesting to watch, as will LJ’s reaction if he gets the worse of it.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
+1
I definitely agree there. I knew Battle was bigger but, crap that’s huge and fast! I was still a little surprised that Charles was #3 though, however, camp reports indicate that Battle is really “battling” (I know, horrible wordplay).
-Robbie
by Chiefsfan2012 on Aug 11, 2009 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
i just wanna see
jackie in the game, to see if he’s as good as everyone is telling me
Mike Jacobs.... I hope your bat has as much lift as your hair does.....
by iNaLeXwEtRuSt on Aug 11, 2009 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Find his only TD run on YouTube
Battle meets a Lions LB in the hole at the 2 yard line and runs right over his ass…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
I'm lost
What type of back is J Williams? We’ve got a “dependable” back in LJ, “bruiser” in Battle and a “speedy” back in Charles. Why the need for the forth back?
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
See last year's Broncos for a reason why
RB is a position that can get decimated quickly… some teams go through 4-5 in a season if unlucky. Hell, Battle saw his first playing time because LJ, Kolby, and Priest got knocked out during the season.
Even if he doesn’t make the final 53, he goes to the practice squad and becomes a guy that knows the system and can be brought in if necessary.
How many RB’s did Denver go through last year? I believe 6 – Torain, Young, Pittman, Bell, Hall and Pope.
At this point you really can’t have too many.
by Ochophosphate on Aug 11, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Actually... looks like you might be right.
http://www.houstontexans.com/team/depthchart.asp
1st team is starting on offense for the Texans. I don’t know much about their defense.
+1
I was thinking the same thing. Seems like a good opportunity to see how good these young guys are. Especially the young WRs.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Aug 11, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions
a more beneign guess
Maybe this is indeed how Haley wants where for the first game. He might have bumped some guys, like copper, up to see how they look in the starting offense. I think he’s giving people looks.
Or to put my tinfoil hat on tighter:
Maybe some of the guys aren’t starting because Haley doesn’t want to reveal how we’re going to utilize them?
For instance: We’re going to lean on Bowe and Haley would rather not showcase that this soon?
Then again, the defense is pretty much first team (Edwards/Tank discussions for later), so it very well could be a punishment.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
Here's as good as anyplace (Haven't seen you much, KP)
Funny how Tyler seems to be runnin’ with the #1s most of the time, but Edwards is quietly at the top of the rotation. Edwards IS more of a prototypical 3-4 NT in terms of sheer size. I’d been meanin’ ta talk about that in other threads.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I'd bet Chris' beer gloves
that Tyler is MUCH stronger than Edwards right now…mass is important, but it isn’t everything.
In Week One against Baltimore, Tank Tyler will be the starting NT.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
He is in the cage getting hungry and over rested :)
Corey Mayes is going to be the Beast next door :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Aug 10, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions
let's hope so
i can’t wait to see our DLine unleashed
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
by chiefsinchina on Aug 10, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
My some of thoughts after Monday's practice
1. Rodney Wright had a horrible morning practice dropping 5 or 6 balls in the “Indy” drill. He drop another in the afternoon session, but had the one nice snag in 7 v 7. I just don’t see him making the team regardless of his KR/PR abilities. To small and not doing well in traffic.
1b. Engram struggled as well in the Indy drill dropping 4 balls.
2. Bowe was second string at camp today, he definitely wasn’t behind Toomer. Toomer rarely saw the field in 7 v 7 drills etc. He did stay after and so did Bowe. I will say Copper did have a solid day today and will probably be the 5th WR on the team and play a big role in special teams. Jeff Webb I think will be getting axed as well as Taruas Johnson. I also think that Q. Lawerance is headed to the practice squad. Obviously it is all early.
3. Injuries – Dajuan Morgan, was working out in the injury zone today with Kolby Smith they were carrying approximately 120 pounds (weights) the length of the field, taking turns, with the strength coach. Morgan had his knee wrapped. i don’t think it is out there as to what happened to him but it is definitely a knee issue.
4. Purdam, our only long snapper on the roster right now might need a new job after being the only one not to make it on the field in a fire drill situation. Previous notes had Studebaker doing some long snapping, he didn’t today, but if the Chiefs can eliminate having a player devoted to long snapping that means they can add another guy elsewhere.
5. Jovan Belcher might be 3rd on the depth chart for one of the ILB positions but I’m thinking he makes the team over Turk McBride.
6. Wallace Gilberry over McGee, no way. Gilberry was signing autographs today…I wondered how long he would be on the squad.
Morgan's knee
I wonder….
Seems I recall when we signed Mike Brown that someone commented they heard one of our safetys had sprained a knee or some such thing. Anybody else remember that?
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Good onsite insight. Thanks B3I3R.
Rodney Wright had a horrible morning practice dropping 5 or 6 balls in the "Indy" drill
That’s the rest of the story we don’t get from a one-man twitter feed. Not complaining. Just a perspective on the realities.
True
And unless you’re there you’re not getting the whole story. Even with the 4 or 5 different training camp sources, you don’t know the whole story. That’s why there will be some guys cut this year that we’ll look back in the camp archives and see nothing but positive mentions out of him.
by Joel Thorman on Aug 10, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
If he can field kicks and is a threat to get behind the secondary,
he can bring something to the offense. You want all your guys to be able to catch the ball in traffic, but you also want somebody who can create and maintain separation. If he can get a step on a DB and Cassel can get the ball down the field, Wright/Lawrence can find a home in KC.
One of the reasons they RUN the Indy drill is to get better at playing in traffic, and it’s not a perfect simulation of man-on-man. It’s just a drill. So proceed in an orderly fashion to the nearest exit…
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
Gilberry will make the roster
If we’re playing a hybrid 3-4, 4-3 defense we’ll need an extra DE. Gilberry is a talent. He has a nose for the ball and he can get up the field and beat his man on one on ones. I think He’s a guy Haley and Pioli will both want to stick around. I say he’s our 7th D-linemen.
As for LB’s i think we’ll have a battle on our hands after the top 6 guys. The final 2 LB’s slots will be a battle, talent vs. youth vs. who provides the best special teams player is what it’ll come down to.
WR position is up for grabs. From all reports it sounds like we’ll keep 5 possibly 6 guys if one receiver will be out KR/PR. Lawrence needs to step it up. It sounds like Bowe, Toomer, Copper and Darling are our top 4 guys to date.
O-line is definitely a concern, especially against the defenses KC will be facing in the first 7 games along. I think Pioli and Farmar will cove through the roster cuts and we’ll have a late addition or two here.
by cameltoeuchdowns on Aug 11, 2009 12:02 AM CDT reply actions
Everyone does realize that our two starting inside linebackers make up
Derrick Thomas, right?
That’s pretty cool/trippy/whatever. They also could form Zach Johnson, the Masters winner.
i noticed this as well
if that is an omen… it can only be a good one
Mike Jacobs.... I hope your bat has as much lift as your hair does.....
by iNaLeXwEtRuSt on Aug 11, 2009 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow, that is pretty incredible, nice obsercation rockchalk
I was most surprised by McGee being so far down the line. I don’t understand that, and I honestly believe that KaloPheonix could possibly be right, because I feel that it might be relevant to McGee in that Haley might want to keep him hidden from coaches and their game planning for the regular season, and then unleash him.
Overall, I get the impression after seeing it on print that our D will utilize many different guys, possibly nearly every couple of downs. Haley is all about situations and each situation warrants different needs and talents, and different players fill specific rolls better than others, so Haley will probably make sure the players on the field are the best suited for the given situation. I think this will be especially applicable to the D-line, not only because they are big boys and tire faster than the rest of the D, but because we have a lot of diverse talent there.
-Robbie
Seriously way to much over analyzing
This is obviously just coach putting guys around to aid in his idea of who he wants where amd to gain a idea of what he’s got game time. I can’t believe some people are so worked up. THIS IS PRE SEASON!!!
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 11, 2009 1:37 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I dont think this style is much different then alot of failed coachs. Just because Haley yells at his players doesnt mean anything. I really hope that people dont play into haley and pioli’s master plans so much. Im not saying I liked Herm but if this team does suceed this year it would be much more to herm’s cred then Haley’s. I put it like this, when herm came in I saw the same blind faith as now. People were saying the same thing. Herm laid the foundation of young talented players. Like Dorsey, Albert, Pollard, Flowers, Carr, Bowe, and Page. If Haley succeds anywhere it will be managing the game. Im not saying I think Herm should be our Coach still, But for me haley and Pioli will have to show me they can succeed before buy any kind of ticket.
I agree Herman laid a foundation of rookies… But his style of coaching obviously wasn’t going to achieve nothing more than laying a foundation. I like herm has a person, but damn we were to predictable, poorly conditioned, and undisaplined. That’s what makes Haley stand out to me. He’s noticed that and is doing his damndest to change it.
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 11, 2009 2:15 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He did the same thing in New York.
by Chieffan_Toby on Aug 11, 2009 2:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Disagree.......Herm did bring some good talent but then at that point did not know how to......
…..work the right schemes with the right blend of talent and get the most out of them. I believe that Haley that ability and will get 120% effort, performance and teamwork out of the players that he puts on the field versus Herm getting maybe 50-60%. It’s the big picture and Haley gets it and Herm never did.
Look at Bordie
Am I the only one surprised he beat out Tyler for the backup spot?Of course this isn’t a final roster but as of now it looks like Haley like Croyle more than Thigpen. Maybe Croyle finally decided to show up to camp in shape and prepared to play? I guess we will see soon enough.
Brodie Croyle
is going to give Cassel a good fight for the starting job. I’ve been saying this for a long time and have been getting slammed by all the Brodie doubters. This kid really wants to play and I hope he wins the spot.
At least Walters is finally on the ROLB side ; )
Great job OCD-CHIEF and Q!
by BAMFSpecialOps on Aug 11, 2009 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
Bowe will start
i don’t know why there doing this.. but bowe will tear it up this season
agreed
Haley puts them in a position to succeed….he will line a certain corner on a certain reciever…stuff herm didnt do
as for the depth chart, of course bowe is the top reciever, its just testing to see if Bowe is a candidate to get another contract after this one, is he a long term chief? Will he respond as Fitz did when he had to drop weight?
I agree, they are hiding Magee, hes been most impressive thus far
Sounds like Donald Washington was solid against Bowe.
No question. Otis Taylor should be in the Hall of Fame.
I Love the way the NE/Parcellls guys treat injury reports and depth charts as the jokes they are. They use depth charts to laugh at the league, and send messages to specific players. Dwayne Bowe 3rd string? Time to get serious Dwayne, and care more about catching the ball than celebrating a great catch. Bobby Engram 3rd string? You were brought here to catch the ball, so how about catching it. Darling 1st string? 2 days ago he was thrown off the field for a mental mistake. He responded positively, he’s now 1st string. Brodie 2nd string? Reward for coming back quickly from serious injury. Jackie Battle 2nd string? Reward for great special team work. Morgan 3rd string? Herm’s draft status isn’t going to protect you. Ultimately depth charts are meaningless, but they are especially fun when they are used for specific purposes like the NE guys do it.
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