Alex Magee, DT, third round, Purdue: The stout Magee may get a chance to start as the nose tackle in the Chiefs' new 3-4 scheme. The team believes he is ready to contribute. Don't expect spectacular numbers, but Magee has a chance to be nice anchor on the Chiefs' line.
Quinten Lawrence, WR, sixth round, McNeese State: Lawrence is a project, but he has elite speed and he could get a chance to be the Chiefs' returner right away.
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McGee is playing end not tackle
dammit Williamson, get yer s*** straight.
by jonnyu on Jul 6, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
*Magee, sorry
the only reason I bring this up is because he isn’t quite big enough to play at nose tackle. Most nose tackles in the scheme we’re playing are over 300 pounds and a few inches taller than Magee. He’ll be competing with Dorsey for that second DE spot and might be moved to tackle when we go to the 4-3 looks.
by jonnyu on Jul 6, 2009 12:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I believe he is big enough
Isn’t Williamson over 300?
by sunny D on Jul 6, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm actually looking forward to see how this draft class pans out.
There’s no question in my mind that Jackson will be a stud but the rest of this draft looks really good to me. Magee is versatile and can play any position across the DLine and so say he was the #2 3-4 DLineman in the draft behind Jackson. Washington I think will prove over time to be the steal of this draft. I’m not sure what was holding him back at Ohio but this guy has the physical tools to be an incredible player.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 6, 2009 12:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Donald Washington was considered a player with 'character issues'...
just like the rest of the players we drafted.
Donald Washington’s stock dropped because he didn’t get to play the entire season. I believe Robiskie, and James Lauranitis stole the spotlight at OSU
by ravenhawk on Jul 6, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and that Malcolm Jenkins guy...
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jul 6, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah....
I think he’d want to be sure he knows what position these guys play, before proclaiming them possible starters!
Magee will get playing time with Dorsey… but he’s not a NT.
The 2nd day of the Chiefs 2009 draft class has a lot of potential, but nothing for sure.
I guess that can be said of any draft class… but I think it’s more pronounced in this one.
Washington has amazing athletic ability,
Brown is huge, and capable of taking over at RT someday,
Williams could be a diamond in the rough at RB, could take over for LJ
Lawrence could be a bust or the KR/WR of the future
Succup could be the starting kicker, or irrelevant
O’Connell is supposed to be super athletic as well…
So, I guess the idea on day 2 is to draft tremendous athletes and try to turn some of them into players. I think we’d all agree that if half of them work out, it was a good draft
by stagdsp on Jul 6, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm 100% sold that Succop will be our kicker.
I’ve watched this guy for the last three years and with a little NFL training I think he’ll be a heck of a kicker. The biggest thing I noticed with him in college is when it counted, in the high pressure situations, he made the kicks.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 6, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figure it like this...
If your team is able to get the final pick of the draft as a compensatory pick, why not take a chance on a kicker. Low risk/high reward.
That could make Mr. Irrelevent pretty damn relevant.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 6, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're probably right
Barth was OK… but I think they really like Succop
by stagdsp on Jul 6, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen pretty much every SC game in the last three years...
And I can only remember him missing one clutch FG in overtime vs Tenessee a couple years ago. And even last season with injury, although maybe his % doesnt show it, he was great.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 6, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Succop is dangerous
the dude missed TEN field goals last year for God’s sake. That’s 30 points! I don’t care how strong of a leg he has. He missed one from under 30 yards!
He also got WORSE as his college career went on and he got more chances to kick.
Stats Overview Kicking
YEAR FGM FGA
2005 0 2 0.
2006 16 20
2007 13 17
2008 20 30
Even if he was perfect all camp and preseason I would be worried. I fear Medlock 2.0.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jul 6, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Atleast we didnt give up a 5th rounder for him if he doesnt pan out though...
by tomahawk44 on Jul 6, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did hear Phil Dawson may not be kicking in Cleveland this year
I wouldnt mind him if he became avail. for competition….
by tomahawk44 on Jul 6, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still cant believe we didn't take Mason Crosby when we had the chance
Darn you to heck Herm Edwards!!!
by huskersnchiefs on Jul 6, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the statistics suggested that Medlock would be more successful in the pros
Sometimes, guys just bomb…at least it wasn’t a 1st round QB pick
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jul 6, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He played the entire season last year with a brutal abdomen injury and shouldnt have even been playing.
But he toughed it out and still put up very respectable numbers.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 6, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You cant just lump some stats together and judge a player. But if you want to go by stats 6 of his 10 misses last year were from 40+ yards, and again from a player who really shouldnt have been playing because of his injury. Not to mention the fact that he did not practice all season long so that he could even participate in games probably didn’t help either.
Theres always more to a player/situation then stats can show and you need to see the guy play to really get an idea of how good he is. He wont be Medlock 2.0.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 6, 2009 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you are a kicker
stats are all that matter. You eithe rmake the kick or you don’t.
So yes I will judge the guy by his stats and his stats say he missed 49 of 69 attempts or 71%. That isn’t going to cut it.
Before his “injury year” he was 29 of 39 or 72%. He was 0 of 2 his first year so I will throw those out. He is still 29/37 or 78%.
If Succop can get up to about 85% I’d be hppy but so far, he had never done it.
Right now Bath is a more accurate kicker.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jul 6, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres context to stats that youre missing.
78% is a very good average for a college kicker and you arent looking at all the factors into all those kicks. Like I said you can’t evaluate a player by his stats alone.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 6, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He had an injury and still kicked. I don't think last years stats are that telling.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 6, 2009 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Potential
I absolutely love the potential Quinten Lawrence has. I think he has the most potential of our second day picks. He’s got the ability to be KR/WR we need and haven’t had since Dante Hall. (Not saying he will be as good as Hall was in his prime, although I’m not saying he can’t) I’m most excited to see how Lawrence works out. Hoping we got a sleeper out of the daft in Lawrence
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Jul 6, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't hurt that the WR position is a gaping hole for us right now too.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 6, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like him
More at KR/PR. He needs to work on his hands and i don’t think they are good enough to become a WR for us. I agree with KC Nate though, he does have alot of potential.
by Wrestler189s on Jul 6, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Magee
Now that we bring it up… Magee was the one draft pick I questioned more than any other.
I understand the concept of building the front lines…
I tolerated (but didnt’ love) the Jackson pick in the First round…
BUT, could they have filled another hole on the team (WR or RT) instead of drafting DEPTH with that #3 pick?
Especially considering they werent’ able to trade back into the 2nd or lower 1st round, I would have personally thought it crucial to fill a STARTING position with that 3rd round pick.
But, I do believe Magee will be a good player, and a DL rotation is important… I just would have gone another route.
by stagdsp on Jul 6, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they picked
Magee because hes versatile. Dorsey is pretty small to be an end in a 3-4, so i think they were just doing that so they could, maybe, have a starter for that spot and Dorsey for 4-3 situations. I don’t think he was the biggest question for me..mine was more of Washington at CB.
by Wrestler189s on Jul 6, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dorsey is not too small
The Cardinals have Bertrand Berry playing the exact same spot as Dorsey. Dorsey is not too small.
by Dagda on Jul 7, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When your D-line gets tired, you start losing the game...
and since we moved Hali and McBride (and Johnston at the time) out of the D-line rotation, we absolutely needed to build that depth in the d-line.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jul 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Part of the reason teams like the Eagles and Giants are so successful is the deep D-lines they have.
by ajanzen on Jul 6, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
TRUE... BUT...
Couldn’t depth have come later in the draft or FA?
Just for the sake of argument, say they took
WR/KR Derrick Williams from Penn State or WR Patrick Turner from USC or WR Mike Wallace from Ol Miss
OR
C/G Antoinne Caldwell from Alabama, T Robert Brewster from Ball State or Louis Vasquez from Texas Tech
THEN, with the 5th Round pick used on Colin Brown…
get a guy like ILB Jasper Brinkley
OR with the 4th rd pick, DT Sammie Lee Hill or DE Kyle Moore
Anyway, i know the draft is long over, just my humble opinion
by stagdsp on Jul 6, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
I would have seriously taken a look at a tackle with that pick…Who knows, maybe one of our young backups is being groomed to take that spot.
IMO the Chiefs season is going to hinge on the play of the O-line this year. I feel pretty good about the defense at this point but, I would really like to see an electrifying offense this year. I would especially like to see a great running game like the old days.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 6, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Does
anybody think Brown has a chance at being the starting RT over Mcintosh?
by Wrestler189s on Jul 6, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McIntosh
I have high hopes that McIntosh will have an excellent year. I know the right side was awful last year.
Reasons that I’m hopeful (not trying to make excuses for last year):
1. I think it’s harder to switch sides after a lifetime than we realize. Haven’t done it. Don’t really know. But I would think the footwork and even arm movements would be very unnatural at first. After briefly pouting last year, I think he gave it an effort and can actually get it done this year at RT. Thought he did a decent job when he first played LT upon his arrival at the Cheifs.
2. Hopefully he’ll have fewer dings and be healthier than last year.
3. Play of the right guard will hopefully be much better this year. Not saying Mac would have been perfect, but I believe the epicenter of O-Line problems last year was right guard.
I think Brown’s a year away. Unless you are top tier, like Albert, I think line players take a year or two to get ready.
by sunny D on Jul 6, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
it was mentioned(I think on a gretz story from OTA’s) that he lost a decent amout of wieght, so thats a good thing as well!
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win championships
by DT58forever on Jul 6, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not this year.
I want to see Richardson step up and take that spot.
Viva 65tosspowertrap! The master of incoherent, nonsensical ramblings.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 6, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good position to watch
for training camp competition this year
by sunny D on Jul 6, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen enough of Brown to know but...
Herb taylor did a GREAT job last year on the other side and Richardson is just a beast of a human being. I definitely think it’s possible that we could have someone besides Mcintosh starting this year.
If Mcintosh does become the starter, I will have to feel as though he earned it in camp because, I don’t think the new regime will just start him because of his contract. I will also say that I thought he started getting used to the right side toward the end of the year last season and played much better. With the addition of Goff at RG, his job will become much, much easier.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 6, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Herb, too
And hope we have him around as an all-purpose backup for a while.
Will be interesting to see the new regime’s assessment of Richardson.
by sunny D on Jul 6, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not a fan
of Herb, so i dont really care if he goes. Hopefully its a close one between the RT’s. If mcintosh gets it by pretty much default , i think we will be in for a longggg year….
by Wrestler189s on Jul 6, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is promising though
That Mcintosh has a real RG playing next to him and he’s dropped a lot of weight and is in better game shape. Not to mention it’s year two for him at his new spot.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
If Mcintosh does become the starter, I will have to feel as though he earned it in camp
IF he wins the job… good for him.
IF Richardson or Brown step up and beat him out… even better.
As long as the line is better than last season, I’m happy
by stagdsp on Jul 6, 2009 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Williamson is a waste of time when it comes to the Chiefs. Mageee isn’t even being looked at as a NT. He’s gonna play DE, and then slip inside in some passing situations, same as Jackson, same as Dorsey.
by dablueguy on Jul 6, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly
I think ESPN as a whole is a waste of time for Chiefs news.
I saw the “insider” rumor about Brown challenging both saftey spots…
it’s just a recap of the KC star article.
So… bottom line… if you want Chiefs news, check the star and the “mothership” OR
even better, get it all in one place by coming to AP!
by stagdsp on Jul 6, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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