Steve McNair is dead at 36
by Ochophosphate on Jul 4, 2009 3:40 PM CDT
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First report I found - here
Steve McNair was apparently shot in the head. I've heard things ranging from it was Steve and his girlfriend that were killed... supposedly by another mistress. Sounds like a wicked triangle that ended up going wrong. I can't confirm or deny any of this at this point..
From what I hear it occurred in downtown Nashville today.
What terrible news to hear on this 4th of July. Even though he left for Baltimore at the end of his career, Steve was well loved in Nashville. He was the face of the Titans franchise for years.
Regardless of his issues, it is a terrible loss.
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I haven’t heard anything about the mistress angle, though. Man, sucks to see this guy go. He was in the prime of his life, ready to enjoy opening restaurants, things like that. I always liked him.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 4, 2009 3:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I just heard about this
this is crazy
by Grand Master A on Jul 4, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was watching
Rugby and it switched over to this….Very sad news to hear.
You will be missed Steve. RIP.
by Wrestler189s on Jul 4, 2009 4:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another lesson for the rookies :(
A lifestyle not taken.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 4, 2009 4:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what lifestyle are you referring to?
The one that leads to a QB being a finalist for the 2005 NFL man of the year? Way to try and blame the victim.
Viva 65tosspowertrap! The master of incoherent, nonsensical ramblings.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 5, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed: his faults weren't that egregious
He got busted for a DUI several years back and had minor issues in that area.
Other than that and adultery he was clean as far as we know. He was known as an upstanding, positive member of the community and was well loved by fans and the general public alike.
There are plenty of players I would put on the “don’t do what this guy did” list WAY before I’d put Steve on there.
Hell, I’d tell rookies to look at the guy’s work ethic and dedication to the game and say “you could learn a lot from him”.
by Ochophosphate on Jul 5, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed - he was a model
Someone to follow. I’m not sure the details but it does sound like adultery was in there but that’s a personal issue that really isn’t any of our business.
He’s not hurting anyone else (save the DUI) and he’s donated a TON of his time and money to Nashville. He’s justifiably remembered as a model citizen around the city.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 5, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Not Going To Judge McNair On Adultery, If That's What's Going On
Frankly, none of us know anything about him or his wife personally or what his marriage was like and there are always two sides to every story. He did good work for the community while he was alive, he generally stayed out of trouble and people liked him. Whatever he did in his personal life was his own business as long as he wasn’t going out and hurting other people.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jul 5, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean to besmirch Steve McNair.
My thought was simply referencing a previous post about what would you tell Rookies.
As you would see the whole episode is unhappy to me :(
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 5, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finalist for the 2005 NFL man of the year.
They don’t just hand those out like Grammys. Ask Will Shields.
Viva 65tosspowertrap! The master of incoherent, nonsensical ramblings.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 5, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares?
So he was a finalist. I think the point trying to be made is yeah he was a good football player, but don’t live the lifestyle of cheating on your wife. No, he’s not a good man—with 4 kids now to grow up fatherless—was a 20 yr old piece really worth it? Obviously not.
by loyalchfsfan35 on Jul 5, 2009 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think it's our position to judge
And we have no idea what happened at this point. It’s his personal life and we really don’t know anything about it.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 5, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I didn’t know McNair, I don’t know his wife, and I have no idea what went on in his marriage or his personal life. Neither does anyone else on this board I’m willing to bet. Frankly, I don’t think it’s our place to be casting any aspersions or judgments on him and from what I can tell none of it merited him getting shot.
I think in the communications age that it’s very easy for people to think that they know enough about other peoples’ lives to start casting judgments on how they live their lives in private. But they don’t have all the facts, so it’s really not their place to judge.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jul 6, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the point trying to be made is that...
murder is justified if the victim cheated on his wife. I don’t buy into that bullshit.
Viva 65tosspowertrap! The master of incoherent, nonsensical ramblings.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 6, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to clear my point up--
Of course murder is not justified—-and this is a terrible tragedy. Nobody knows what his familty life was about, maybe his wife was cheating on him!! But you commented to someone else " try to blame it on the victim", if you’re not lying and cheating and putting yourself in a bad position, maybe this just doesn’t happen and you still have your life. The message was, I believe, to the rookies " Don’t live this sort of lifestyle". If you’re unhappy, get a divorce and live your life making sure your kids grow up well with everything they need. I’m sorry, I feel worse for his family and kids than I do for him.
by loyalchfsfan35 on Jul 6, 2009 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Can Agree About The Personal Responsibility Angle As Well
If you put yourself in bad situations, bad things will probably happen to you. For McNair, I suppose the bad situation he put himself into was to date a psycho…but then again, I can’t say as that’s a problem restricted to professional athletes. Everyone makes a stupid decision sometimes, not necessarily on purpose.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jul 6, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
+2 on the stupid decisions statement.
by Ochophosphate on Jul 7, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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by Zennedy on Jul 4, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
RIP
McNair always a classy act. and a hard worker.
"When I first got here," said Missouri coach Mike Anderson, "it was 20 minutes of hell and 20 minutes of what the hell are you doing?"
by tigers and chiefs fan on Jul 4, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Such a senseless taking of life...
Our society has such a low opinion of the value of every life here on earth, that it is so easy to take such a precious gift for another person and not think twice about it. I could not stand him when the Chiefs played against him, only because of the respect I had for his talent and athleticism. He will be missed.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jul 4, 2009 4:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
some times you don't really notice how good someone was...
… until he’s gone. A yard away from SB champ and pretty darn good 13-3 season with baltimore. Too bad indeed.
by paxi on Jul 4, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Toughness"
Is the word I keep hearing. Wish people could say that about me when I’m gone.
What a tragedy.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 4, 2009 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
very true.
he was certainly the “Steve DeBerg” of his era.
by jbj8609 on Jul 5, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scary
He was found dead at his girlfriends(the deceased woman) house and they’ve ruled out murder suicide.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 4, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Actually, They're Saying Murder-Suicide Now
The police said they’re not looking for other suspects at this point…they apparently think the deceased girlfriend did it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jul 5, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
reports are mixed
I hear different things from different sources.
The only thing that makes me think it might not be murder/suicide is that they said the gun was not “readily apparent” when they arrived on the scene. Most of the time in a murder/suicide the gun isn’t going to make it very far after the second party finishes their business.
I guess it wouldn’t surprise me if the gun were moved by a 3rd party either.
Time will tell I suppose.
by Ochophosphate on Jul 5, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
UC, you're correct.
Local news (Nashville) this morning said that they are not looking at other suspects. They also listed the following.
- The gun was actually found near the woman – just not visible at first glance.
- Steve suffered several gunshot wounds – the woman only had one.
- Signs point to murder/suicide at this time.
by Ochophosphate on Jul 5, 2009 9:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They Found A Gun At The Scene
I imagine they’re just waiting until they run tests on it to make sure it’s the one that was used.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jul 5, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
latest news
It still looks to be murder suicide but they won’t declare it yet.
new news said 4 of the 5 shots that killed him were from a short distance, 2-3 feet or so. The single shot that killed the girl was a “contact shot” meaning the barrel of the gun was against the skin when the shot was fired. Sounds pretty cut-and-dried but apparently that doesn’t rule out homicide.
To me it looks like a leprechaun to me.
by Ochophosphate on Jul 7, 2009 1:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adding to my list of things not to do,
twisted love triangle, wow what a tragedy, rip Steve. Man he has a child that is still pretty young, how sad.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
by Eric Allen on Jul 4, 2009 11:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he has FOUR children
Junior, Steven, Tyler and Trenton. I believe they were all with Mechelle (wife) so that means they are all still relatively young (married Mechelle in ’97)
Being a father I can’t imagine a more crushing scenario than to have my children grow up without their father. Of course it wasn’t planned – it just breaks my hear to think of those kids and what they must be going through.
by Ochophosphate on Jul 5, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oldest son
Is being recruited as a WR, he’ll be a Sr. in HS.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 5, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man this is out of control who does that
Prayers out to the family . this guy was a class act played with a lot of heart and seemed like a pretty nice guy good leader. soorry to hear this news.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Jul 4, 2009 11:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's got a son
That plays at the same Mississippi High School that Brett Favre has been practicing at. He’s being recruited as a WR.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 5, 2009 6:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man, thats some really sad news
Steve was a hell of a QB and a damn good leader. I will always remember that Super bowl against the Rams….one of the best Super bowls I can remember….only a half yard away from being Super bowl champs.
My thoughts go out to the family, especially his kids….R.I.P “AIR” McNair
Zack Greinke for Cy Young!!!!!
by KCchief5555 on Jul 5, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
girlfriend
they were pulled over together thursday night and the girlfriend refused the breathalyzer, her quote " i’m not drunk….i’m just REALLY high’
by kcj on Jul 5, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So What?
Apparently he liked girls who weren’t too smart. It’s a lack of judgment but not necessarily a lack of character.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jul 5, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
And not that it matters but I’d prefer someone driving high than drunk….
What his girlfriend did or didn’t do has little bearing on him and his legacy, which is all we can really debate.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 5, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIGHT
and he didnt know, or even give her drugs to keep her around? yeah he was a great guy. married kids girlfriend who does drugs. lets make him a saint.
by kcj on Jul 6, 2009 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You rang?
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6. After witnessing the 2009 draft, their record will be 8-8.
by IISaiNtII on Jul 7, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
I love how some people think drugs=bad person.
Everyone has a messed up personal life. Everyone has skeletons in their closets. Everyone makes horrible decisions and does things for the wrong reasons. The only thing we can factually know about Steve was his career, his charity, and what his loved ones have to say about him. Anything else is speculation and I get really irritated by high and might bullshit.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jul 8, 2009 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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