Joe Thiesman says the Chiefs could win 10 games and make the playoffs.
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Theismann also talked about Matt Cassel here.
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That Joe Theisman is a smart fella.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
Ba dum
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 3, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not so far fetched in my opinion....
….. this team is going to be hungry and out to prove themselves. In a weak division I wouldn’t be surprised.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
It wouldn't surprise me...
But then again 4-12 would not be a shocker it is truly to early to tell with this team. training camp reports and pre-season will tell a large part of the story before the season. Which goes without saying. So why did I? :)
With all the changes, I am pretty skeptical
I love my Chiefs, but:
- you have a GM that has never really been in that type of job for a losing team.
- you have a rookie head coach that is completely unproven and has a reputation for rubbing his players the wrong way.
- you have a QB that beginning last year had not started a game since High School, and while he played pretty well last year taking over for Brady, he DID take over a team that went 16-0 the previous year.
- traded off their best receiver for the last decade and brought in an even older WR in Engram.
- Are switching to the 3-4 defense even though the players we have on the team are CLEARLY more suited for the 4-3.
- Didn’t do a DAMN thing to improve the pass rush situation. Even by switching to the 3-4, they didnt bring in a single player to improve the pass rush. In fact their only decent pass rusher (who played badly last year) in Hali is going to be playing out of position.
I would classify most of the Chiefs moves as interesting, but there are a whole aweful lot of IFs.
IF Pioli was at least partially responsible for the New England success of the last decade…
IFTodd Hailey is competent and not just emotional…
IF Matt Cassel is the next Tom Brady and not the next Derrick Anderson…
IF there was some other reason for Clancy Pendergast to be fired from the Cardinals other than that he is a crappy D.C…
Thats a lot of IFs.
by ChiefDJ on Jul 3, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
But, I would be an eternal optimist, If, I could get over my pessimism :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
Yeah, but it is not Hermball anymore.
No more bend , but do not break defense, try to run up the score, who cares if someone feelings get hurt offense, things could change quickly. My biggest concern is Sackintosh getting a qb killed. We have a whole new supporting cast behind Haley, along with all the ifs, there are positives that go with that.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Where does this impression of Haley rubbing players the wrong way come from?
Because of one incident on the sideline with a player that said he’d love to play for Haley again or because of Brian Waters because he got his feelings hurt because a guy called a spade a spade? Fact is of the 130+ players that have come into contact with him in the last 2 years only one has an actual issue with him and he really should just man up and move on.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
The optimistic look to that list....
- You have a GM that helped build and maintain one of the best football teams in the history of the league. Even if you want to be a pessimist and say “It was Belichek” just being in cooperation with him he had to have learned something. Debatably its harder to build a team and get to the top and stay at the top season after season then it is to build a team that really can’t get any worse.
- You have a rookie head coach who is extremely passionate about the game, is an incredibly hardnosed/hardworking person and that comes from one of the best coaching trees in the league. If even have of this guys personality and work ethic can rub off on the players look out. The rookie head coach is also surrounded by other coaches who are very good and been head coaches and coordinators around the league for a long time.
- You have a Qb who at the beginning of last year had not started a game since high school, but despite that in the course of a couple workouts alone showed enough promise to be drafted not a FA signing. Then he went on to be tutored for the last few years by debatably the best QB to play the game in the last decade. He came on last season in a pressured filled situation where he still led the team to an 11-5 record.
- They traded their best receiver for the last decade but in all reality he is only one player and one player does no make a team. How many playoff wins do the Chiefs have with or because of Tony? This team boasts a new head coach that is one of the most creative offensive minds in the league and a offensive coordinator that took the leagues worst offense and made a third string QB from a second rate school look like a star and turned the offense around midseason(without the entire offseason to prepare).
- They are switching to a 3-4 defense and other then a couple DE transitioning out to OLB all the players can be just as suited for 3-4. The only other debateable player is our first round pick from last year that may be suited more for 4-3 but is athletic enough to be a difference maker in any D when used the right way. Check the last 5-6 years…doesnt look like the 4-3 was working for us very well either.
- They havent brought in a pass rusher but again from a 3-4 perspective thats debatable. The scheme itself will cause more pressure alone. This is an area that wont be great this year but not sure it can be any worse then last year either.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 3, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
Very fair assessment of the negatives. I think there are many positives in KC right now, but what vexes me about the expectations among many fellow Chiefs fans is how rarely most acknowledge these negatives.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 4, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions
For me we have had too many negatives during the Herm years
we finally have some good things going on. There is alot of work still to be done and everything can’t be fixed this year, Herm had it too messed up. This is Pioli/Haley first year they are off to a good start and i am happy with that.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jul 4, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 agree
Theres good things going on finally and while there are some negatives, nothing can be totally fixed in one offseason. As far as this season goes, yes, any improvement is something promising. Does that mean we’re settling for “moderate improvement”? No, but we need to start somewhere and nothing like this will be turned around overnight.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I think a lot of people thought Vermeil meant that good things were going on, and then later the same for Edwards. Bottom line, we’ve seen zero results yet, so it’s hard to say whether things are going better or worse. I for one despise Peterson with the fires of a thousand suns, so improving on him could’ve been done by hiring a cold plate of spaghetti to be GM. But I do like Pioli a lot, and I’m hoping he’s not as dumb as he’s looked so far with the Jackson/Magee picks and trading a second for one guaranteed year with Cassel.
by burntorangehorn on Jul 5, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
A thought
Since Peterson is gone, Who is KCTV5 going to have on the preseason broadcasts
this year?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
Isn't Kevin Harlan doing them?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Peterson brought in Vermeil some years back and Harlan recently.
I assumed that the Chiefs Mgmt chose and ran the production for the pre-season games.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
JC Pierson too
I like him as broadcaster. Warren Moon like him as Chiefs DB to like 527 yds.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
Absolutely true
to the Redskins he certainly is. I’ve heard him say he expects the Redskins to be among the best in the NFC this year.
Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: "Mankind". Basically, it's made up of two separate words—"mank" and "ind". What do these words mean? It's a mystery, and that's why so is mankind.
-Jack Handey
I really want to like Joe Thiesman...
but then he says stuff like that.
As much as i would like for that too happen, but then I guess anyone could theoretically win 10 games, thats the beauty of the NFL
Nothing from Nothing leads to... Your 2009 Kansas City Royals
How is Joe a homer?
He never played for the Chiefs. Joe breaks down a lot of film, I really respect his opinion. Those that have posted above really should consider joining the Raiders Nation, because there is no need for that kind of negativity here. You are entitled to your opinion, but Cassel is 10-5 as a starter, in the division, who is better? You can only make a case for Rivers, and SD has only gotten worse every year since letting Marty go…
Specifically, Piolli brought in the talent for the NE SuperBowl teams. Haley is relying on Chan Galey for Offense, remember, creater of the slash position for Cordell Stewart? Haley took a terrible team to the SuperBowl last year. Who cares about Tight Ends? Tony G was the best TE in history, and that won us how many playoff games? Switching to a 3-4, apparently, you haven’t been looking at Bob Gretz’s website. Haley is not switching to a 3-4, and does not want to be pigeon toed to a specific defense.
The only real question mark on the D is Tamba Hali, can he adjust to playing LB, part time? The DL is set with Jackson, McBride, Dorsey. LB – Vrabel, Thomas, DJ, can it get any better? OK, Ray Lewis excluded. Secondary, we are set. Mike Brown only makes us stronger!
Sure, there is a margin of error, it’s called parity. This year, it’s between 6-10 and 13-3. Of course, I think that every year, LOL. Since 10-6 should qualify for the playoffs, I’m totally stoked about this year!
Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...
Easy on telling people they
should join the fader nation, every body is entitled to their opinion.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Oh my....
I might have to disagree with Joe….
On one hand it doesnt seem we have improved that greatly over last years team in many ways and our coach and QB are unproven…
On the other hand, we lost way too many games last year by 7 points or less…and our moron former coach lost many of those from the sidelines…The old saying is “You are what your record says you are” but I would say when Herm left that went out the window. He was not a scapegoat, he was legitimately a horrible coach…
Sorry if that was confusing....
My main point ended up being optimistic after I clearly stated I disagreed with Joe…but nonetheless…
I think we all are chasing our tails here to some extent.
We won’t be as good as the optimists want.
We won’t be as bad as the pessimists think.
But, Everyone I think will agree that we will be better than 2008 :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
So what would you call me?
Pessimist or realist? I call 6-10 with a rough year on D.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
The thing is, when a team
stages a dramatic turn around, it is rarely accompanied by a huge influx of players from other teams or the draft. Usually there is a talented core of players who are joined by a key veteran acquisition or two, and some new rookies who are role players acquired through the draft. The turn around happens when the core of players on the team figure out what the opposition is doing to them and adjust their play accordingly. Then, the new players fill slots, and the team is off to the races. Sound familiar?
























