Chiefs Choose K Succop; Connor Barth Waived
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs announced the team has waived kicker Connor Barth. This means that Mr. Irrelevant, Ryan Succop, has won the kicking job for the time being. Here is the link to the two sentence release from the Chiefs.
Barth appeared in 10 games for the Chiefs last season. While he was accurate (10/12), he never gave the coaching staff a reason to attempt many kicks outside of 40 yards (1/2).
Barth's two missed kicks came in one game the Chiefs lost (of course) but should have won (of course). Barth recently talked about those missed field goals.
"It really just fuels the fire and makes me want to work harder to make sure that next time that does not happen, because it's not going to."
He also recognized that he lives with the reality that every day could be his last as a Kansas City Chief.
"You never know if you're going to have a job or not. I had a good year last year; 10 of 12. But they still drafted a guy, Ryan Succup, who is a great kicker and who will compete with me. He'll push me and that's what it's all about."
With the Chiefs using a draft pick on Succop, albeit the final pick in the draft, it was assumed by plenty of folks that Succop wouldn't succumb to Barth.
Barth attended North Carolina where his younger brother Casey is poised to take over the starting job. Barth was due a minimum base salary of $385,000 in 2009.
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wow
I have to give Pioli/Haley one thing…
they are very DECISIVE
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A lot of teams go to camp with two kicker
This is interesting (though not that unexpected….especially a 6:45 PM release).
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with this
Barth never broke through.
by Chris Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How Do You Mean "Never Broke Through"?
Because he never passed for 300 yards or rushed for 100 in a game while kicking 7 field goals? The guy missed two field goals all season, one of them from 50 yards out. He hit 83% as a rookie, which is better than Ryan Succop has done in any season as a kicker.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Breaking Through"
Yes he hit 83% of his FG’s but did you see him Kickoff? Half of the time it only made it to the 15!!! Did he have One Touch Back all season? When the other team starts a drive from their 30+ you need a new kicker!
by flyin_squirl on Jul 28, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So What?
I’d rather have a kicker who can hit his field goals but does crappy kickoffs than a kicker with a cannon leg who misses a third of the time. Colquitt can kick off if they can’t live with Barth doing it. Blown field goals, however, will take points off the board for the Chiefs.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They must have liked what they saw at OTAs...
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jul 28, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Novak Flashback
The horror…the horror….
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well...
There were many times we wouldnt attempt a kick at all because we knew he didn’t have the power or whatever….He was unreliable, much more than his stats indicate…
And the awful kickoffs dont help…
by woodman212 on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well
That answers half the question of what two guys will have to be cut before camp. And I must say it took me by surprise. In looking at who to cut, I just assumed that they would let the competition go on through camp. But this is what I expected toward the end of camp. It did seem like most of the OTA reports said that Succop was more accurate at least from further out. Thumbs up on this one.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
never had anything major against Barth, yet also can't say I'm all that disappointed...whatev.
by jbj8609 on Jul 28, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
So mediocre isn’t good enough any more, eh?
by sunny D on Jul 28, 2009 7:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Succop gets it done
If not, maybe they bring Barth or someone else back toward the end of preseason.
In the meantime, more training camp spots for DB’s and LB’s
by RedNose on Jul 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If I was inclined to change it
I would make the title “Chiefs Choose Succop; Boot Barth”
PFT beat me in the headline contest though: Mr. Irrelevant might be relevant (and thanks for the link PFT!).
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not surprised
When a kicker is drafted or even plucked off the waiver wire it usually means the current kicker is about to be sent packing. I’m just surprised it took this long
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Jul 28, 2009 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Hate This Move
I predict that kicker will become a problem area for the Chiefs in 2009. Here’s why:
Ryan Succop, South Carolina kicking stats
2005: 0-2 (0%)
2006: 16-20 (80%)
2007: 13-17 (76.5%)
2008: 20-30 (66.7%)
At no point in college did Succop ever compile a better kicking percentage than Barth. Senior season Succop went 4-7 from 30-39 yards (57%). That should be almost gimme range for an experienced guy in college. Barth hit 100% of those his junior and senior years and only missed one from that range last season in the pros. Succop is a career 68% kicker from 40-49 yards. Barth nailed his kicks from that range his last two years in college (9-10).
Succop may have a stronger leg than Barth but he’s got crap accuracy and I predict the Chiefs will be looking for another kicker by the end of next season, if not sooner. Just a stupid move from Pioli and Haley.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
At no point in college did Succop ever compile a better kicking percentage than Barth’s career average both in the pros and in college.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your points, but
at least one of his bad seasons was due to injury.
AND, more important…
Pioli and Haley are pretty darn good evaluators of talent… if they are 100% sure at this point, then I’m not doubting them yet…
If they didn’t see enough out of Succop, they would have at least taken both to camp.
I trust that they got their guy, and it can’t be called a “stupid move” until they are proven wrong
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
at least one of his bad seasons was due to injury
And what about the other three? Point out any season in which Ryan Succop posted a better FG percentage than Connor Barth last season.
Pioli and Haley are pretty darn good evaluators of talent
Are they? An assessment based on what? This roster they’ve compiled has yet to play in a single regular season game. The best players they’ve added are all old guys at the end of their careers. And their coaching staff hires this offseason make me think that perhaps they’re not all knowing or all seeing because a lot of their hires have posted some pretty crappy results in previous stops.
Don’t get me wrong, I think they’ve got potential, but they’ve done nothing this offseason to make me want to overlook what looks like a blindingly stupid personnel move. Unless Barth was about to fail a piss test, he and not Succop should be the kicker on the Chiefs’ roster.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are they? An assessment based on what?
See: Arizona Cardinals, NFC Champs
New England Patriots, Dynasty
You can’t argue that those guys haven’t proven to be good evaluators
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of Course I Can Argue That
Todd Haley was an offensive coordinator, not a head coach or GM. And the defensive coordinator he and Pioli hired from the Cards put out a terrible defense that cost the Cards all season, particularly on the last drive of the Super Bowl.
As for the Pats, considering how many of Bill Belichick’s proteges have crashed and burned once they were no longer working with their mentor, I’m not about to pass off the lion’s share of the credit to Pioli yet. Let’s see what he does without Belichick. Until he shows he can assemble a team that doesn’t have Belichick coaching it, he doesn’t deserve blind faith on foolish personnel moves. And this is a foolish personnel move.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
is your last name Barth, Ucrawford?
Just kidding. I respect your opinion.
we’ll see what happens
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, this is a head scratcher.
based on the facts you present I’m a little worried. We do have a pretty good Speacial Teams coach.
by fishhooks on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Pioli can do no wrong
Look, I loved the Pioli hiring as much as the next guy, but I don’t understand the blind allegiance for him. Besides the Cassel trade, I haven’t liked a single move he’s made. People on AP chalk it up to “In Pioli we trust”, which is a nice way of saying “What the f*** was that move? Oh well, he built a dynasty so he must know what he is doing”
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not true
just no evidence yet to the contrary
How many sigs lately are …….trust?
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belichick's Made Too Many Bad Coaches Look Good
Only to see them exposed once they weren’t working with him. Frankly, I’m not sold that Pioli was the brains behind the dynasty. Again, maybe he’s a great evaluator, but let’s see him do it without Belichick before we start drinking the Kool-Aid.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for me
it’s not “blind faith” or “Pioli can do no wrong”
I like most of the moves they’ve made this year, and until proven wrong, I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to a very talented and experienced GM.
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the difference is I didn't like the moves (after Cassel trade)
- Shitty draft
- Trading TG for next years 2nd
- Signing essentially no free agents
- Not rebuilding the O-line
- Signing Cassel for long term without seeing what he can do in a Chiefs uni
- Being $400MM under the cap
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is the difference
I like most of the draft… with a couple of questions
I’ll take a 2nd pick for an aging TE… though I liked TG
ZT, Vrabel, Goff, Engram, Brown, Beisel… these are all guys that will help a LOT, In my opinion
We’ll see about the OL…
And, I bet they aren’t done
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Muir will do more for the line than one or two players could do.
On paper, our line doesn’t look so bad.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
400 M&M's :) um
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed On Most
I was okay with the Tony G trade, though, only because a 2nd round draft pick next year is better than we’d get for him if we waited another season and because he would have been a quickly declining asset if he’d stayed that would have taken the Chiefs nowhere.
I didn’t really like the draft either, though. And I think that ignoring the o-line was a big mistake. I liked the addition of the veteran players only because they weren’t long-term deals, but overall it was a pretty mediocre offseason.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually don't the D guys show up with better play than the O guys?
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not Sure Of What You Mean
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-line would have taken longer to translate to bottom line=wins
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
O-Line Would Have Helped Keep Our QB Upright
And a quality o-line aids the development of every other position on the offense. Young receivers have time to run their routes, QBs can stay upright (and healthy), RBs have holes to run through. One year of bad o-lines, on the other hand, can destroy an offense for many years…especially if the QB takes too much punishment.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true...
and, by cutting an un-needed kicker, there is one more roster spot for a Lineman
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If That Lineman Were Jason Brown
You’d hear fewer complaints. But frankly they’ve got plenty of scrubs on that line that I’d much rather see go than Connor Barth.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a tackling dummy over a 2nd kicker on the roster
Barth or another will be available later if Succop is unsuitable.
by RedNose on Jul 28, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Training camp will put some interesting choices out there
and Pioli said that some teams handcuff themselves with no cap to sign those players late in camp. expect with the right chance Pioli will Cap somebody.
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree...
Shitty draft - Not proven yet. We don’t know if the draft was shitty or not. Statistically, they say 3 years to determine whether the player was worth the pick.
Trading TG : Another move yet to be determined. TG wanted out, fuck him. And we have no clue what is going to happen with that 2nd round pick.
Signing Essentially No Free Agents: Why, cuz we didn’t go balls out like the Foreskins? We got some talent that may or may not prove to be diamonds in the rough. Another wait and see approach.
Signing Cassel: Cassel proved worthy for the Pats. Agree that he hasn’t proven himself in KC, but a good QB is a good QB wherever he goes. The talent tends to follow the player, not the other way around.
Being Under The Cap: I agree we should be spending the money too, but who knows, maybe he’s been wheeling and dealing behind the scenes. Maybe he’s already blew his load and is awaiting the perfect time to announce it. Another wait and see. The end of the year will determine Pioli’s “Trust Fund.” If we suck, then I’ll sell my stock. Otherwise, in my book, he’s good until proven bad…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN IT
Meant as a reply to Craig in Calgary above
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
how can you call it a “blindingly stupid personnel move”?
In my humble opinion, they saw a need, went and got their guy, and, after an offseason to evaluate him… they made their choice.
It’s not a stupid move if it works.
Give it time
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Point out any season in Succop’s career where he’s kicked for a better percentage than Barth did last year.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't need to point out a college season...
I’m not arguing the stats.
The GM and coach evaluated what they saw and made a call
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which Is Another Way Of Saying
That Succop has never produced a season like Barth did last year, even while playing at a lower level of football and you have absolutely no rationale for the move other than blind trust in Pioli.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what I'm saying it
what Generic says below.
It’s not just about the kicking percentage
We’re not NFL execs.
We don’t see what happens in OTAs, and on the game film they watch.
If they made this decision, it was made for a reason.
Honestly, Barth was an OK kicker… but he didn’t even kick a full season, and I’ll be surprised if anyone really misses him, other than you :)
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's All About Kicking Percentage
A kicker who doesn’t get touchbacks is not ideal for a team. A kicker who can’t hit his field goals is useless to a team no matter how many touchbacks he gets. And Succop doesn’t hit enough field goals.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he's never missed a FG in the NFL
haha
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Best Point In His Favor
Because he missed a lot of them in college. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally disagree...
Stats are pointless without context. Do you know how he missed them? What the conditions were? What the situation was? Who was blocking for him?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Know That Barth Averaged 90% His Last Two Years Of College
And that Succop didn’t come close to that level of success in any one season…while playing in the same part of the country. Actually, Barth had more games against teams from up north than Succop did.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
I’ll be surprised if anyone really misses him, other than you
Post that comment in your signature block as a reminder and we’ll revisit it after the Ryan Succop era this season. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why did he miss so many FG's with such a leg
Accuracy or Coaching?
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Well That's Okay Then
Because injury-prone players in college are never injury-prone in the pros. Especially players who hail from the SEC. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
That is not just another way of saying Succop hasnt produced a season like Barth. Wether he did or not matters none, NONE. You dont go back and compare college seasons to select who wins a spot on the roster. You outperform and prove yourself to be better than the other. Statistics lie. You CAN NOT rely on statistics. Succop could be a lot better in the pro’s. If not oh well, not much lost, go reseign Barth if you have to. If Succop was to do better than Barth over a couple years I hope you still wouldnt choose Barth just because he had better statistical seasons in college.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Jul 29, 2009 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see Barth last year?
He makes Herm look clutch.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What, You Mean In The One Game He Missed Field Goals?
One of them from 50 yards, which is a gamble for any kicker in the pros you’d care to name? Refresh my memory, what was Nick Lowery’s FG percentage from that range?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many kicks were passed on because he didn't have the range?
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Clue
If you want to make the case that the Chiefs passed on field goals because they were worried about Barth’s leg strength, the burden of proof’s on you to show that they did so.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that motivated to disprove a cut kicker.
This team was beyond shwag last year, hence the meh for a cut place kicker.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to remember too...
Its one more open camp spot to take a look at a different position. If Succop strruggles theres 1/2 a dozen PK to pick for between now and Game 1. Id much rather take another close look at an OLB then PK
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 and Barth would be One
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Succop is better then the numbers...
Youve clearly never seen the guy play. You can’t just look at stats without any other context and make a judgement call on a player. Succop will quickly prove why this was a smart move.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Percentage means nothing without
without a context or actually seeing the player play in a game. No one drafts on stats alone.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree
Succop seemed to have something…..even for a Kicker
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen...
pretty much every kick this kid has made in his college career and there is something there that suggests he’s going to be really good.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
They didn’t make this cut based on college stats
they made it based on what they saw in their evaluations of tape and in person.
give it a chance
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dustin Colquitt
Not that it helped make the decision for them but Succop also punter in the 06 and 07 seasons. Colquitt missed quite a bit of time last year with injuries…
by flyin_squirl on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injured
He was hurt for most of his Senior Year. That is a HUGE reason for the big dropoff…
by flyin_squirl on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just the injury...
as it would affect him in game(was a brutal abdomen injury) but he didn’t practice all last year just so he could kick in games. Not practicing would have an even bigger impact then the injury itself.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mason Crosby College STATS....
2003 7-9 77.8
2004 19-23 82.6
2005 21-28 75.0
2006 19-28 67.9
You can use STATS to convey whatever you want, the only thing that matter is his on the field performance.
by CHIEFtain on Jul 28, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ultimate Meh.
Where’s the sayonara Favre post?
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
hmmm....
Is it just me or does this sound very Justin Medlock…ish… I don’t like it
by kcchiefskicka on Jul 28, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Medlock is currently 10/10 in the CFL!
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's What I Was Thinking
Medlock was just as inconsistent in college.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Help what was that Control Character again for keeping up?
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ctrl + c, ctrl + a to clear
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe shift not ctrl
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BLOOMQUIST
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would all be a moot point if King Carl would have drafted Mason Crosby or Nick Folk instead of Medlock
NOW REC ME
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Was Screaming The Same Thing When They Drafted Medlock
Although to be fair, Crosby had a relatively crap season last year. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this post shows how desperate we are for real football news...
bitching about a cut kicker.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No shit!
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well it's just odd
That one of the training camp battles that we’ve been waiting for is over before it starts.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Competition is a good thing with kickers (Thanks, Herm)
Kickers one of the few positions where you can create a pressure atmosphere..I would have preferred to go to camp with two kickers.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
expect the unexpected
There have been plenty of surprise cuts, and I expect to be shocked again
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the Micro view yes....
From the Macro view, the kicker is relatively irrelevant. Bottom line, I’m sick of making something out of nothing (Meche tossing 120+ pitches, Xavier Henry BS, Whitlock getting kciked out of White Power and Light, the list goes on and on). GIVE ME REAL NEWS.
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by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By real news I mean keep score or cut a mother fucker.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing I can assure you...
This guy is clutch. In the three seasons where he was regularily kicking he only missed one clutch FG and that was in an OT game agaisnt the Vols. Other then that in pressure situations he hit everything. And another thing thats good about this is we had the worst opponent starting field position average in the league. A bigger leg will put a big dent into that.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So By "Clutch"
You’re saying that one field goal in an overtime game automatically negates the 33% of his field goal attempts he missed over the course of the entire season?
Does that mean that Brodie Croyle wasn’t a terrible QB for his career because he had one good game against the Colts in their Super Bowl season? :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could have one the SD game
or not
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your stats mean nothing...
You can run on and on all day with this stats drabble and thats all it is. Fact is youre completely wrong to sit there and judge a decision based on stats alone especially these kind of stats. If you think Pioli is sitting up in his office comparing stats of all his players and making decisions that way youre mistaken. Fact is there will be 6-10 Connor Barths sitting around looking for work when preseason starts/ends and if he needs another guy to take a look at that guy will be there. If we’re going to lose a Studebaker or one of the safeties or something like that or Barth thats an easy decision going into camp.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we want meaningless stats to compare them...
Succop has missed only 1 FG attempt all spring. There I can use useless stats with no context too.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You Mean
That how well Succop and Barth performed in actual games has no relevance to how well they’re likely to perform in actual games? :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its like mutual funds
Past performance is in no way indicitive of future results. I guess.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Common Misstatement That Creates A Faulty Argument
Past performance is no guarantor of future results. Past performance, however, is often an excellent indicator of future results. Bill James’ career can tell you that.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless its Vernon Wells in a Contract year.
Wrong site, but my statement stands true
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aberrations Happen
But historical trends still act as excellent indicators of what will happen in the future. Like age 32 being the fall-apart season for running backs. Or 370 carries being a killer for their production. Or kickers who were inconsistent in college being inconsistent in the pros.
It’s just not a guarantee.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
As a Financial Planner, I have to use that disclosure a lot, and I always say “no guarantee” as opposed to “no indicator”
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
by stagdsp on Jul 28, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So You Know The Deal :)
I’m perfectly willing to admit there’s a chance Succop will surprise us and outperform his entire college career. But I seriously doubt it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't fix Barth's wimpy leg
just like you can’t fix Brokies broken bones.
You can fix accuracy, just ask Nick Lowery
by ravenhawk on Jul 28, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Succop Can't Hit Field Goals At A Decent Rate In College
While playing under Steve Spurrier, then he’s probably not going to do it in the pros.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurrier is a ST coach?
I don’t know for sure but I’ll be that Pioli and the coaching staff might know something you dont.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's One Of The Better Coaches In College Football
So I’m willing to bet that he hires competent staff. And that if one of his players isn’t performing well, that it’s probably more an indicator that he’s not very good as opposed to him not getting good enough coaching.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
You’re assuming?
If anything if you have such high regard for Spurrier being such a good coach that should tell you something when he wanted an injured Succop on the field last season then another lesser player who wasnt injured. Also Spurrier is known as one of the better recruiters in all of college football so again I’m sure he couldve found a “better” kicker.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your Comment Actually Supports My Argument, Not Your Own
Nothing you stated makes the case that Succop is a better kicker than his stats indicated for the last three years. All it shows is that Spurrier recruited a kicker who wasn’t very good and he didn’t have anyone better on the bench.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spurrier didnt recruit him at all...
And found no reason to recruit anyone else.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Your Contention Is
That Spurrier was happy with a FG kicker who hit less than 80% of his kicks? Somehow I doubt it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why wouldnt he get a new one?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Because He Couldn't Find One
I don’t know if you were a college football fan in the 1990s, but Florida State had a run of several years where they couldn’t find a competent kicker to save their lives and it cost them possibly two national championships. In one game against Michigan, I watched their kicker, Dan Mowrey, miss five of six extra points. They couldn’t find anyone off the bench to replace him and that guy sucked.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also...
The ST coaching staff in SC was so good that when the Chiefs ST coach met with Succop he found corrected a flaw in his mechanics in 15 minutes that hadn’t been addressed while he was in college.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh Huh
Like I said, maybe the last three years of Succop’s performance were a fluke and he’s really a super-accurate kicker. But somehow I doubt it.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does Spurrier say about Succop
Checking
Later in the season on November 11, Spurrier returned to “The Swamp” to face off against his former Gators team, which was then ranked 6th in the BCS rankings. Trailing 17-16, the Gamecocks had a chance to win with a 48-yard field goal attempt on the last play of the game. However, Ryan Succop’s kick was blocked as time expired in a repeat of an earlier blocked extra-point attempt. In the final game of the regular season, Spurrier led the Gamecocks to victory over in-state rival Clemson at Death Valley. Trailing 28-14 in the third quarter, South Carolina scored 17 unanswered points to lead 31-28. With 8 seconds left in the game, Clemson’s field goal attempt missed wide left as USC celebrated their first victory over Clemson in five years
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2006 season
Kickers miss for various reasons.
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like Kicking A Low Ball That Is Easy To Block?
That also goes to talent.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
48 yards is a low-ball
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least Spurrier let Succop try meaning it was possible
Succop was a Soph :)
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not a low ball for a guy that can kick 60+ yard FGs
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Succop Career-Long FG
54 yards. 3-9 on FG from 50+
Connor Barth career long in college, 54 yards. 4-9 from 50+
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you see the kick?
Again you just put forward comments without really knowing what you’re talking about. Immediately you go directly to the kicker when theres 10 other players on that field at the time. They also had a convert blocked which if anything would suggest an issue with the other players moreso then the kicker.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Show me your list of tangible achievements proving that Ryan Succop is a better kicker than Connor Barth. Otherwise don’t waste my time with your what-if bullshit just because you can’t admit you have no evidence at all to back your position.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could say the same to you...
You have nothing but contextless stats and conjecture. Ive seen the kid play. Look at your predictions? I dont have to prove anything because some of them are already wrong, more will be wrong(to the point that theyre ludicrous) and the rest of them are unprovable.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Have The Stats
And they show exactly how accurate Succop was on his field goals last year (less than 70% accurate). What do you have?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
look in the other thread
and you will see stats from OTA this year…and why this change was made
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Care About What He Did In OTA's
Nick Novak was neck and neck with Barth in OTAs and training camp and , (surprise, surprise) once it got to the games that actually mattered Novak performed exactly like the kicker he was in his career previously…a terrible one.
Practice is practice and games are games and Succop’s career shows a kicker who has problems hitting his kicks in games, whereas Barth is, at a minimum, a league average kicker.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wanted to know stats where Succop was better
OK…so go ahead and blow them off.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OTAs Aren't Stats
I’m sorry, but they aren’t. They’re practice snaps without the game pressure.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As For My Predictions
We’ll see how well the Succop one works out for you. It’s both easily provable and highly likely.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good luck proving
- and #3
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those Are More Just Personal Opinion And Non-Specific
I imagine that some stuff will leak out over the course of the season so we’ll find out. But I suppose I should make them more specific.
I think the running backs will perform terribly under Maurice Carthon’s guidance (since the only time he’s ever been successful as a RB coach was when he had Curtis Martin at the end of Martin’s career) and I think Pendergast’s defense is going to do a terrible job with the defense (bottom 10) and that a bunch of the new coaching hires will be getting fired or non-renewed once their contracts are up.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Also Think We'll Hear Players Grousing About Carthon
He’s just had that personality over his career where he rubs players the wrong way…which wouldn’t be an issue if he were able to use the animosity to get results.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
??
So our running game will suck and we’ll be bottom 10 in defense and still finish 7-9 with potentially one of the hardest schedules we’ve had in the last 6+ years?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget a shitty kicking game :)
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Have Faith In Cassel's Arm
And in the shittiness of the AFC West.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blocked kicks on 48 yarders are a given
you want accurate Succop as a Soph tried and Spurrier gave him the oppurtunity
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
All That Tells Me
Is that Spurrier’s backup kickers were even worse.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I put it in my Sig
UC we will see how it plays out, I like Succop just like I like Cassel some intangible feeling that they want to WIN even more than I do.
Ryan Succop will Kick the Game winner 4 times this season with at least Two being clutch kicks that will directly affect W-L of Said game.
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
These threads are at least 3 times bigger than they need to be b/c of your signatures
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
What
You don’t like to read the comments.
I have shiny turtles, Not
I understand but what’s a fan to do?
Ryan Succop will Kick the Game winner 4 times this season with at least Two being clutch kicks that will directly affect W-L of Said game.
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Intangibles
Not trying to ridicule you when I say this, but I heard a lot of intangibles talk floated here last year about Novak, and Croyle, and whoever else and when the games actually started pretty much none of those guys performed any better than they had before. Wishful thinking is just something that pops up before every season only to see it smacked back down once the games start up…so until guys like Succop show that they’re somehow better than their previous performance indicates, I’m not going to jump on the wishful thinking bandwagon and assume they’ll be better than their previous performance indicates just because we’ve slapped a new head coach and GM on this team…especially when those two make several moves that don’t pass the smell test.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't here then
and I don’t have a crystal ball just my feeling :)
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Understood
It’s just what happened last year. You had people predicting the Chiefs would go 10-6 and make the playoffs or that they’d win the AFC West. By Week 6, I think everyone knew just how far off that was. Hell, even I didn’t think they’d regress by two games, and I was one of the biggest cynics on this board, so it’s important to realize that just because we hope new management’s decisions are going to work out that it means those decisions will work out…especially when those decisions don’t appear to make any sense.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually made a post with those thoughts fresh from a UC thought train
saved it for a few weeks. didn’t know if you read it though. Tweaking?
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've Been Out A Lot The Last Couple Of Weeks
I was in a class for two weeks then traveling all of last week. Sadly, it’s not a compatible schedule with posting on AP.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 29, 2009 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos For Putting It In Your Signature Block
Always good when people are willing to back up their positions with proof. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
...and making my internet page take 25 minutes to load up
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I edited some for you Craig
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I don’t care, just giving you guys a hard time. I might put an entire Shakespere soliloquy as my signature just to be a jackass
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That can also be coached...
I could get more sacks with my sack
by ArrowSpread on Jul 29, 2009 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You comment has nothing to do with my comment and is respectably being ignored.
Take a guess who’s stats these are
80% in college
These are the stats of his first 5 years in the pros.
76.9%
72.2%
79.2%
80.0%
69.7%
If you answered Nick Lowery then you get a gumball. If you stick with him you have:
* most field goals all-time (384)
* most accurate all-time (from 1984-1997 Lowery held the all-time accuracy mark for 10 of those 12 years)
* most 50 yard field goals
* most games with 2 or more 50 yarders
* Lowery also held the record for best PAT % since the goal posts were moved back 10 yards and PAT’s became 20 yarders, not 10 yarders.
* Lowery received the NFL Players Association’s most prestigious humanitarian award, the Byron Whizzer White Award, in 1993.
* Lowery kicked more than 15 game-winners during his career, including in 2 playoff games vs. the Raiders in 1992 and Steelers in 1994, and also kicked the game-winning points in all 3 Pro Bowls in 1982, 1991 and 1993.
* 2007 NFL Hall of Fame nominee
So you can fix accuracy, you can’t fix a whimp.
by ravenhawk on Jul 29, 2009 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think UC's point was...
That Lowery is the exception, not the rule. Most kickers with those types of stats their first five years wouldn’t vary much from that.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 29, 2009 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Fact is there will be 6-10 Connor Barths sitting around looking for work when preseason starts/ends and if he needs another guy to take a look at that guy will be there.
Actually you’re more likely to get 6-10 Ryan Longwells, Nick Novaks or Justin Medlocks than you are 6-10 guys who can hit 83% of their field goals.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, Justin Medlock is already drawing a paycheck from the Toronto Argonauts
It might be $900 bi/weekly, but its still a cheque!
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just joined in
All this over a 2nd year kicker.
Ryan Longwell
Rookie Season: %80
Career: %82.2
Let’s bring him in if Succop doesn’t work out.
by RedNose on Jul 28, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shit
Sorry about that…for some reason I keep mixing up Dave Rayner (71.2% FG) and Ryan Longwell. No idea why.
We aren’t getting Longwell…he’s with the Vikings and has been for three years. But I’m sure Rayner is available. And his career FG percentage is better than what Succop hit last year too. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of those 6-12 kickers?
UC you are the ONE ! that blows up the comments :)
Gracias
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never Underestimate The Conversational Value
Of being a stubborn asshole who does his research. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec and +1
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Going on stats alone...
is hardly research. Just leaves you with a false sense of you thinking you know what you’re talking about.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
Point out any season in which Ryan Succop outperformed Connor Barth last year.
If you want to show my point as ignorant, maybe you ought to come into this discussion with more than wishful thinking and bitterness against those who actually do their homework and point out reality to you. Succop never outperformed in college what Barth did last year and he’s unlikely to do so this season. If you want to post your prediction on what Succop will do this season in your signature block, I’ll respectfully defer my ridicule of your naivete until the end of the regular season. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've done no homework...
You keep throwing out stats that only have so much relevance to this players actual level of skill. You have never seen him play, you’ve never seen the guy kick a ball, you have no context in which the kicks were taken, you have no information on the other ST players on the field at the time. No one who knows anything about football sits there and makes a judgement call on a player based on a stat line.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kickers Are Only About Stats
A kicker either makes his field goals or he doesn’t. If he does he’s good, if he doesn’t he sucks. You’re not talking about offensive linemen here where you need to watch the film. The only question is on the numbers of attempts from which distances.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true...
Its about conditions of the game, situation of the game, the 10 other players on the field. Was it a blatant missed or was it blocked or partially blocked? Something tells me Pioli/Haley and staff have seen every kick this guy has made in college and offseason to be able to make a clear judgement call.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If You Want To Blame Game Conditions
Then show me the proof that weather conditions cost Succop 20 points worth of FG accuracy on his kicks (which would bring him up to Barth’s level as a kicker in college).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Blocked Kicks Don't Count
Unless you can demonstrate that the block was the result of clearly blown blocking on the part of the o-line.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, Football Genius
No one who knows anything about football sits there and makes a judgement call on a player based on a stat line.
Show me your list of achievements that show Succop to be a better kicker than Barth.
(crickets chirping).
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, forgot Longwell is on the Vikings
For me, it seems like there are 10-15 legit reliable kickers in the NFL and a pack of about 30 guys who straddle mediocrity. I’m willing to see which Succop is, but if he sucks, bring in someone else later. We don’t have a top 15 kicker either way so why not save a body through the 1st couple of weeks of training camp?
by RedNose on Jul 28, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Connor Barth wont be available at the end of training camp?
Better add that to your list of predictions.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Succop was the obvious choice months ago.
He nailed ever single one of his kicks, while Connor Barth kept on missing from the same distance. On top of all that he has the strength in the leg to take it to the end zone.
Ryan Succop is a major upgrade talentwise over Connor Barth. If need be we can grab a kicker from the CFL to replace either of them.
by ravenhawk on Jul 28, 2009 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Man I missed this :)
@ AP
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CAN I JUST SAY....?
WOW GUYS! We are REALLY hard up for football to start… This site has been dead-ish the last week or so, most items only bringing out a handful of comments here and there. But cut a kicker (?!) and suddenly we have a full scale debate on our hands.
I can’t wait until we really start cutting/signing these players…this place will blow up?
(was it like this last year??)
GO CHIEFS!
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
by chiefsinchina on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and its taking place in my time zone!
its 9:40 am here ;)
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
by chiefsinchina on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Helps that this is in a DUAN time spot, or should I say APUAP (AP up all night)
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes it was like this last year :)
But it’ll be even bigger this year (Thanks, Yahoo, CBS and SI).
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Yahoo to those collecting the checks...
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Checks?
We call those beer gloves my friend.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd Shift is where it's at
That’s when Patrick goes to BANK !
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here I was thinking that the kicking game was one area we were set at.
by fishhooks on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UC, playboy oyu gotta shorten that signature...
you know you’re my boy but those comments are just taking up too much space.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
by HIV 2 Elway on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Never
I’m writing all my predictions for the year down as they come to me. I don’t care if it’s a hundred bullet points long. :)
And we’ll see how well you come out on the Succop move by season’s end…and yes, I will be rubbing it in when I’m correct, you Browns reprobate. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You should at least stroke out the ones that are incorrect (Draft prediction, probably the LJ ones)
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Know If I Can Do That In My Signature Block
But I’ll try. Good suggestion.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Think I Can Do That
But I’ll do a FanPost at the end of the year to discuss.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will the HTML work....
TEXT HERE?
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang it
You know how to do the strike through, right?
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Your first try worked?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's See If It Worked
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
It doesn’t allow you to add in the “strike” feature on signature block. We’ll just have to revisit in a FanPost at year’s end.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt
The only thing Crawford’s sig is missing is a ‘U CANT C ME’ image
by KansasCityShuffle on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New story up on Barth
Quasi overflow thread. Can training camp get here soon enough?
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just for UC....
Barths Collegiate percentage(since he loves useless stats): 76%
Succops percentage: 73%(including injury season where he didnt practice) 78% removing injured season.
78 > 73
Ryan Succop- 2 time runner up for the Lou Groza Award for Best Collegiate Place Kicker.
Connor Barth- No significant collegiate awards or nominations.
Ryan Succop- Made all but one FG in offseason
Connor Barth- Missed frequent attempts in offseason
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I Don't Care About College Awards
Barth’s stats were also skewed by one season in particular…2005, where he hit only 52% of his FGs because of one prolonged slump. He never hit below 76% in any other season and his last two college seasons individually were better than any season Succop put up in college.
Also, you’ll note that Succop’s accuracy declined every season he was the kicker.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As For OTAs
Ryan Succop- Made all but one FG in offseason
Connor Barth- Missed frequent attempts in offseason
See Novak v. Barth 2008 to see how much kicks made in the offseason practices matter in games that count.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And do you think
That if Succop can’t handle it they won’t be on the phone to Barth again like they were last year. Mellow out dude!
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You dont care about college awards?
Oh so the facts you based your opinions and arguments over are only the ones you deem worthy? So if they dont prove your point you disregard it? Proof is in the pudding. Succops average didnt keep declining he had an injury all year and couldnt practice.
Theres one thing thats better Succop didnt get caught in a prolonged slump. Mental toughness? Prolonged slumps in the NFL put you on the street.
You cant just pick and choose the stats and accomplishments you want to then try to validate a point with it. Take youre own advice and go back to the research you did and look harder.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
College Awards Are Meaningless To Judge Pro Performance
What percentage of Heisman Trophy winners over the last 20 years have become great pro players? Hell, how many of them have become even good pro players? How about Davey O’Brien award winners? Doak Walker award winners? Wait, what about the Butkus award? That’s like a guarantee of success isn’t it? I wonder what Andy Katzenmoyer is doing these days.
Hell man, Succop didn’t even win the stupid kicker award. And here’s a list of the guys who did. How many of them went on to become successful NFL kickers?
You cant just pick and choose the stats and accomplishments you want to then try to validate a point with it.
I didn’t pick and choose any stats…I presented exactly what Barth has done. You’re the one who has yet to present any kind of statistical argument. Or any argument based on any sort of evidence whatsoever besides wishful thinking. As for “accomplishments” I pick accomplishments that are relevant to pro success. College awards bear only a coincidental relation to pro success…a fact you could have figured out for yourself simply by looking at the lists of college football award winners.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
Theres one thing thats better Succop didnt get caught in a prolonged slump.
Yes he did…you might not have noticed because it spanned most of his college football career. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think what is being missed
With all the bitching and griping about who’s stats are best…..is which one of these guys is part of the “right 53”. Obviously, Pioli and Haley have seen something in Succop that they feel is more attuned to what they want than they saw from Barth Maybe he just carried too much of the gloom of a bad season around with him. We weren’t in practice and we don’t know. Just like any other player…be it Glen Dorsey, Matt Cassel or Brandon Albert….if they don’t have the right mentality, if they don’t fit the mold of what the “right 53” is….they are out of here. Period.
I quote Scott Pioli from his interview this morning:
Todd and I are looking for the same thing. We’re looking for players who are committed. It sounds very elementary but we’re looking for players who know what the heck to do. There are times when you see players on a football team in the NFL that don’t know what to do.
Unless someone on here wants to claim they know more about football then Pioli and Haley…then we should watch what they do and withhold judgement about whether it was a good personnel move or not.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 10:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
is which one of these guys is part of the "right 53".
That assumes that Pioli and Haley are making correct assessments about who the “right 53” players are. And frankly, when they cut a kicker who hit 83% of his field goals last year for a kicker who hit 67% of his field goals, I think it’s fair to call their judgment into question.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what didn't we see
That is my point. If the guy doesn’t fit he doesn’t fit. Perhaps Succop was taking to the coaching and Barth was blowing it off. I just can’t believe how worked up everyone got over this.
Every time someone releases a player from another team people keep saying we should go out and get them. But we don’t have roster space. We will still have to get rid of someone else if everyone gets signed before camp. They have to make hard decisions. They already know how Barth kicks…you can put in game tape and see. Therefore camp would not have changed that. If Succop turns out to not be the guy they thought then Barth or some other kicker will come in. As someone pointed out…it is not like Barth was leading the league in percentage or kickoff distance. Hell…call John Carney back up if you have to. There are plenty of unemployed kickers, and we already know about the one we just unemployed. Leave the roster spot so maybe one of these young O Line guys has a chance to show his stuff in camp. That is what we haven’t gotten to see yet.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kickers
I just can’t believe how worked up everyone got over this.
Fallout from Medlock…it still pisses me off about how the prior regime went with a crappy kicker and brought in no competition because he was “their guy”, even though he’d been a really mediocre kicker in college. I see the same kind of bad, arrogant judgment in this move.
But what we didn’t see. That is my point.
It’s a good point, but that only goes so far. Kickers have one important job…can they hit their field goals? And I just can’t see “uncoachability” being a factor that makes up for a 16 point differential in field goal percentage. Especially when Succop hasn’t hit 83% of his field goals in any of his seasons as starter.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to have a little faith my friend...
Carl is gone. Herm is gone. Pioli needs to free up roster spots going into camp and like you’ve said earlier the defense could potentially be atrocious. Wouldnt we rather take an extra position player going into camp to see if we cant fill those holes over a kicker that we can replace closer to the regular season? Pioli and Haley have both said that ST are going to be a focus so I’m sure before the season we will have the most competent kicker we can have on the team.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Faith
I’ll have faith when Pioli and Haley give me a reason to have faith…like winning games in which they’re the underdog. Right now all I see is a team that had a questionable draft, that didn’t bother to go after a guy (Jason Brown) who absolutely fit a critical need (despite the team having tons of salary cap space), and that’s made several decisions that have me raising my eyebrows.
Cutting a 83% kicker for a 67% kicker is guaranteed to raise my eyebrows every time. And I long ago quit accepting that NFL GMs and head coaches were so brilliant that they’re incapable of making bad moves that even the casual football fan can spot.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 28, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cmon now....
You’ve convinced yourself of something that isnt there. I mean your comparing Barths 1 NFL season(where 80+% of his kicks were inside the 40) to Succops season where he played all year with an injury? Dont reach so hard to be a pessimist we get enough of that from Whitlock already.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lest You Forget
Whitlock predicted how bad the pass rush was going to be last year. It’s not pessimism when it turns out to be correct…it’s realism.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 29, 2009 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on now bringing in Whitlock
everyone knew the pass rush was going to be bad, Only Herm thought you could trade away a sack machine and still be ok. My 7 year old predicted getting rid of JA would hurt our pass rush.
I was with you, till you gave praise to Whitlock.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jul 29, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's A Definite Bandwagoner
But he was still right on that point. He predicted how badly Hali would do as well as I recall.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
by UCrawford on Jul 29, 2009 8:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's possible that it's a bad move
It’s also possible this is a good move. I’ll wait and see. But what I think will be different about Pioli than Peterson is just what you said:
the prior regime went with a crappy kicker and brought in no competition because he was "their guy", even though he’d been a really mediocre kicker in college. I see the same kind of bad, arrogant judgment in this move.
I don’t see Pioli being a person who will stick with someone because it’s “my guy”. I think he is more than willing to say “woops I f**d up, gotta fix this”, and go out and find someone else. Carl was too proud to say he messed up a decision. I may be wrong, but that is the vibe I get from these guys. If Succop ain’t the guy….there will be another in here in a hurry.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a critical position
One that can easily lead a team in scoring. That’s why I’m unhappy. A healthy competition for this roster spot would have been great. Vital in fact. I only saw Barth improving over the next few years. He could have done some things to (marginally, at least) improve his power. Missing the 50 yarder was nothing IMO leaving him with a pretty damn good rookie year. There are enough guys on the roster that make everyone ask, “Who the hell is that?” to warrant ditching one of them over Barth. I think this was a bad move.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jul 28, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I just don't get it.
They have great press conferences and the players are doing and saying the right things. Just as I start to think things are looking up they make a move like this. I don’t think there is anything that anyone will post in favor of this move that will make me see it as a positive. Our kicking game has been horrible to mediocre for YEARS and just when we have a worthwhile competition for this spot, they go with the rookie underdog who has career stats that leave a lot to be desired.
I want to have faith, but all I can muster is the benefit of the doubt. I thought the draft could have been better. I thought free agency could have been better. I thought some (probably most) of the coaching hires could have been better.
I stand by my original prediction that we’ll do no better than 6-10. This move certainly won’t help us do much better than that.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jul 28, 2009 10:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Buck up Buck'O
We have seen so many WTF moves this off season. Why?
Because we have not seen a TEAM built under our eyes since Schottenheimer.
and we were so pitiful then that nobody was watching :(
Now with the Marty and Vermeil era somewhat fresh we expect…..
Who the Hell knows But I for one am excited to see the product.
Geaux Go Chiefs
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly want to see a winner
and I get it. We’re still “building” here, but without competition how the hell are we supposed to know that we’re fielding the best possible product? I know kickers aren’t the most glamorous position on a football team, but it’s still a position that can easily lead a team in scoring. Points are what win games and in this particular case, I think the Chiefs made a terrible move.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jul 28, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had kept Barth and then cut him ,based on competition, would it have been any different
Barth has a chance to catch on with another team which is ggod for him :)
And we have a chance to evaluate someone we really want more at this point in the Team building. What if they had cut DuJuan Morgan, McBride or Hali, Boone or Edwards.
Or pick someone :) we do have to cut one more pre-camp. Who DO you think it will be.
UC chime in.
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I believe it would have been different
Looking at the two of them day in and day out for the duration of camp would have probably favored Barth.
Ricardo Colclough, Jed Collins or Rodney Wright. Who the hell are they? :-\ Maybe someone will make the case for each of these guys, just as I would make the case for Barth. I’m just saying that we’re putting all of our eggs in one basket at a position that is paramount in our ability as a team to put points on the board. I think it was a dangerous move. I’d like nothing more than to be surprised by this guy, but his track record doesn’t look too good.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jul 28, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is nobody talking about how other teams
seem to always start from the 30yard line or better. Barth was not very good on kick offs
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the goal being to drop it inside the 10
perhaps Barth could have been better, but I’d be curious to know on average how many kick return yards we gave up as a unit that helped our opponents start out at the 30 or better. Overall, our special teams units need to improve significantly. Personally, I’d rather see points on the board. That’s why I think Barth was the better man.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jul 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colclough was a returner last year maybe the best we had
Collins might be our fullback
Wright I don’t know
At the end of the Day DTR I think we will have 45 players Gameday that will be better than last year. Succop might be the Punter. wouldn’t AP go crazy if Colquitt was cut :((
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colquit is a VIP in my book
I will go completely out-of-body if that happens
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jul 28, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXAAAAAAACTLY
Until we start winning, I’m not giving this regime the benefit of the doubt. To me there has been questionable move after questionable move. How many times can we keep hearing bullshit about “The right 53” and “In Pioli we trust”.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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