Chiefs Choose K Succop; Connor Barth Waived
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 7:00 PM CDT
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The Kansas City Chiefs announced the team has waived kicker Connor Barth. This means that Mr. Irrelevant, Ryan Succop, has won the kicking job for the time being. Here is the link to the two sentence release from the Chiefs.
Barth appeared in 10 games for the Chiefs last season. While he was accurate (10/12), he never gave the coaching staff a reason to attempt many kicks outside of 40 yards (1/2).
Barth's two missed kicks came in one game the Chiefs lost (of course) but should have won (of course). Barth recently talked about those missed field goals.
"It really just fuels the fire and makes me want to work harder to make sure that next time that does not happen, because it's not going to."
He also recognized that he lives with the reality that every day could be his last as a Kansas City Chief.
"You never know if you're going to have a job or not. I had a good year last year; 10 of 12. But they still drafted a guy, Ryan Succup, who is a great kicker and who will compete with me. He'll push me and that's what it's all about."
With the Chiefs using a draft pick on Succop, albeit the final pick in the draft, it was assumed by plenty of folks that Succop wouldn't succumb to Barth.
Barth attended North Carolina where his younger brother Casey is poised to take over the starting job. Barth was due a minimum base salary of $385,000 in 2009.
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A lot of teams go to camp with two kicker
This is interesting (though not that unexpected….especially a 6:45 PM release).
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
How Do You Mean "Never Broke Through"?
Because he never passed for 300 yards or rushed for 100 in a game while kicking 7 field goals? The guy missed two field goals all season, one of them from 50 yards out. He hit 83% as a rookie, which is better than Ryan Succop has done in any season as a kicker.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
"Breaking Through"
Yes he hit 83% of his FG’s but did you see him Kickoff? Half of the time it only made it to the 15!!! Did he have One Touch Back all season? When the other team starts a drive from their 30+ you need a new kicker!
by flyin_squirl on Jul 28, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
So What?
I’d rather have a kicker who can hit his field goals but does crappy kickoffs than a kicker with a cannon leg who misses a third of the time. Colquitt can kick off if they can’t live with Barth doing it. Blown field goals, however, will take points off the board for the Chiefs.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Novak Flashback
The horror…the horror….
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
well...
There were many times we wouldnt attempt a kick at all because we knew he didn’t have the power or whatever….He was unreliable, much more than his stats indicate…
And the awful kickoffs dont help…
by woodman212 on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Well
That answers half the question of what two guys will have to be cut before camp. And I must say it took me by surprise. In looking at who to cut, I just assumed that they would let the competition go on through camp. But this is what I expected toward the end of camp. It did seem like most of the OTA reports said that Succop was more accurate at least from further out. Thumbs up on this one.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Hopefully Succop gets it done
If not, maybe they bring Barth or someone else back toward the end of preseason.
In the meantime, more training camp spots for DB’s and LB’s
by RedNose on Jul 28, 2009 7:32 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If I was inclined to change it
I would make the title “Chiefs Choose Succop; Boot Barth”
PFT beat me in the headline contest though: Mr. Irrelevant might be relevant (and thanks for the link PFT!).
Not surprised
When a kicker is drafted or even plucked off the waiver wire it usually means the current kicker is about to be sent packing. I’m just surprised it took this long
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I Hate This Move
I predict that kicker will become a problem area for the Chiefs in 2009. Here’s why:
Ryan Succop, South Carolina kicking stats
2005: 0-2 (0%)
2006: 16-20 (80%)
2007: 13-17 (76.5%)
2008: 20-30 (66.7%)
At no point in college did Succop ever compile a better kicking percentage than Barth. Senior season Succop went 4-7 from 30-39 yards (57%). That should be almost gimme range for an experienced guy in college. Barth hit 100% of those his junior and senior years and only missed one from that range last season in the pros. Succop is a career 68% kicker from 40-49 yards. Barth nailed his kicks from that range his last two years in college (9-10).
Succop may have a stronger leg than Barth but he’s got crap accuracy and I predict the Chiefs will be looking for another kicker by the end of next season, if not sooner. Just a stupid move from Pioli and Haley.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Clarification
At no point in college did Succop ever compile a better kicking percentage than Barth’s career average both in the pros and in college.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
I see your points, but
at least one of his bad seasons was due to injury.
AND, more important…
Pioli and Haley are pretty darn good evaluators of talent… if they are 100% sure at this point, then I’m not doubting them yet…
If they didn’t see enough out of Succop, they would have at least taken both to camp.
I trust that they got their guy, and it can’t be called a “stupid move” until they are proven wrong
Again
at least one of his bad seasons was due to injury
And what about the other three? Point out any season in which Ryan Succop posted a better FG percentage than Connor Barth last season.
Pioli and Haley are pretty darn good evaluators of talent
Are they? An assessment based on what? This roster they’ve compiled has yet to play in a single regular season game. The best players they’ve added are all old guys at the end of their careers. And their coaching staff hires this offseason make me think that perhaps they’re not all knowing or all seeing because a lot of their hires have posted some pretty crappy results in previous stops.
Don’t get me wrong, I think they’ve got potential, but they’ve done nothing this offseason to make me want to overlook what looks like a blindingly stupid personnel move. Unless Barth was about to fail a piss test, he and not Succop should be the kicker on the Chiefs’ roster.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Are they? An assessment based on what?
See: Arizona Cardinals, NFC Champs
New England Patriots, Dynasty
You can’t argue that those guys haven’t proven to be good evaluators
Of Course I Can Argue That
Todd Haley was an offensive coordinator, not a head coach or GM. And the defensive coordinator he and Pioli hired from the Cards put out a terrible defense that cost the Cards all season, particularly on the last drive of the Super Bowl.
As for the Pats, considering how many of Bill Belichick’s proteges have crashed and burned once they were no longer working with their mentor, I’m not about to pass off the lion’s share of the credit to Pioli yet. Let’s see what he does without Belichick. Until he shows he can assemble a team that doesn’t have Belichick coaching it, he doesn’t deserve blind faith on foolish personnel moves. And this is a foolish personnel move.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
I agree, this is a head scratcher.
based on the facts you present I’m a little worried. We do have a pretty good Speacial Teams coach.
Apparently Pioli can do no wrong
Look, I loved the Pioli hiring as much as the next guy, but I don’t understand the blind allegiance for him. Besides the Cassel trade, I haven’t liked a single move he’s made. People on AP chalk it up to “In Pioli we trust”, which is a nice way of saying “What the f*** was that move? Oh well, he built a dynasty so he must know what he is doing”
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not true
just no evidence yet to the contrary
How many sigs lately are …….trust?
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Belichick's Made Too Many Bad Coaches Look Good
Only to see them exposed once they weren’t working with him. Frankly, I’m not sold that Pioli was the brains behind the dynasty. Again, maybe he’s a great evaluator, but let’s see him do it without Belichick before we start drinking the Kool-Aid.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
for me
it’s not “blind faith” or “Pioli can do no wrong”
I like most of the moves they’ve made this year, and until proven wrong, I’m giving the benefit of the doubt to a very talented and experienced GM.
I guess the difference is I didn't like the moves (after Cassel trade)
- Shitty draft
- Trading TG for next years 2nd
- Signing essentially no free agents
- Not rebuilding the O-line
- Signing Cassel for long term without seeing what he can do in a Chiefs uni
- Being $400MM under the cap
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions
that is the difference
I like most of the draft… with a couple of questions
I’ll take a 2nd pick for an aging TE… though I liked TG
ZT, Vrabel, Goff, Engram, Brown, Beisel… these are all guys that will help a LOT, In my opinion
We’ll see about the OL…
And, I bet they aren’t done
Bill Muir will do more for the line than one or two players could do.
On paper, our line doesn’t look so bad.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 28, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
400 M&M's :) um
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed On Most
I was okay with the Tony G trade, though, only because a 2nd round draft pick next year is better than we’d get for him if we waited another season and because he would have been a quickly declining asset if he’d stayed that would have taken the Chiefs nowhere.
I didn’t really like the draft either, though. And I think that ignoring the o-line was a big mistake. I liked the addition of the veteran players only because they weren’t long-term deals, but overall it was a pretty mediocre offseason.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Usually don't the D guys show up with better play than the O guys?
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Not Sure Of What You Mean
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
O-line would have taken longer to translate to bottom line=wins
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
O-Line Would Have Helped Keep Our QB Upright
And a quality o-line aids the development of every other position on the offense. Young receivers have time to run their routes, QBs can stay upright (and healthy), RBs have holes to run through. One year of bad o-lines, on the other hand, can destroy an offense for many years…especially if the QB takes too much punishment.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
true...
and, by cutting an un-needed kicker, there is one more roster spot for a Lineman
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
If That Lineman Were Jason Brown
You’d hear fewer complaints. But frankly they’ve got plenty of scrubs on that line that I’d much rather see go than Connor Barth.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I'll take a tackling dummy over a 2nd kicker on the roster
Barth or another will be available later if Succop is unsuitable.
Training camp will put some interesting choices out there
and Pioli said that some teams handcuff themselves with no cap to sign those players late in camp. expect with the right chance Pioli will Cap somebody.
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree...
Shitty draft - Not proven yet. We don’t know if the draft was shitty or not. Statistically, they say 3 years to determine whether the player was worth the pick.
Trading TG : Another move yet to be determined. TG wanted out, fuck him. And we have no clue what is going to happen with that 2nd round pick.
Signing Essentially No Free Agents: Why, cuz we didn’t go balls out like the Foreskins? We got some talent that may or may not prove to be diamonds in the rough. Another wait and see approach.
Signing Cassel: Cassel proved worthy for the Pats. Agree that he hasn’t proven himself in KC, but a good QB is a good QB wherever he goes. The talent tends to follow the player, not the other way around.
Being Under The Cap: I agree we should be spending the money too, but who knows, maybe he’s been wheeling and dealing behind the scenes. Maybe he’s already blew his load and is awaiting the perfect time to announce it. Another wait and see. The end of the year will determine Pioli’s “Trust Fund.” If we suck, then I’ll sell my stock. Otherwise, in my book, he’s good until proven bad…
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 29, 2009 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions
DAMN IT
Meant as a reply to Craig in Calgary above
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 29, 2009 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
And...
how can you call it a “blindingly stupid personnel move”?
In my humble opinion, they saw a need, went and got their guy, and, after an offseason to evaluate him… they made their choice.
It’s not a stupid move if it works.
Give it time
Again
Point out any season in Succop’s career where he’s kicked for a better percentage than Barth did last year.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
I don't need to point out a college season...
I’m not arguing the stats.
The GM and coach evaluated what they saw and made a call
Which Is Another Way Of Saying
That Succop has never produced a season like Barth did last year, even while playing at a lower level of football and you have absolutely no rationale for the move other than blind trust in Pioli.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
what I'm saying it
what Generic says below.
It’s not just about the kicking percentage
We’re not NFL execs.
We don’t see what happens in OTAs, and on the game film they watch.
If they made this decision, it was made for a reason.
Honestly, Barth was an OK kicker… but he didn’t even kick a full season, and I’ll be surprised if anyone really misses him, other than you :)
It's All About Kicking Percentage
A kicker who doesn’t get touchbacks is not ideal for a team. A kicker who can’t hit his field goals is useless to a team no matter how many touchbacks he gets. And Succop doesn’t hit enough field goals.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
The Best Point In His Favor
Because he missed a lot of them in college. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Totally disagree...
Stats are pointless without context. Do you know how he missed them? What the conditions were? What the situation was? Who was blocking for him?
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
I’ll be surprised if anyone really misses him, other than you
Post that comment in your signature block as a reminder and we’ll revisit it after the Ryan Succop era this season. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Why did he miss so many FG's with such a leg
Accuracy or Coaching?
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Well That's Okay Then
Because injury-prone players in college are never injury-prone in the pros. Especially players who hail from the SEC. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Wrong.
That is not just another way of saying Succop hasnt produced a season like Barth. Wether he did or not matters none, NONE. You dont go back and compare college seasons to select who wins a spot on the roster. You outperform and prove yourself to be better than the other. Statistics lie. You CAN NOT rely on statistics. Succop could be a lot better in the pro’s. If not oh well, not much lost, go reseign Barth if you have to. If Succop was to do better than Barth over a couple years I hope you still wouldnt choose Barth just because he had better statistical seasons in college.
"Larry Fitzgerald, move over because there's another young gun, and his name is Dwayne Bowe from Kansas City" - 2009 Cris Carter Hall of Fame WR
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
Did you see Barth last year?
He makes Herm look clutch.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
What, You Mean In The One Game He Missed Field Goals?
One of them from 50 yards, which is a gamble for any kicker in the pros you’d care to name? Refresh my memory, what was Nick Lowery’s FG percentage from that range?
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
How many kicks were passed on because he didn't have the range?
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
No Clue
If you want to make the case that the Chiefs passed on field goals because they were worried about Barth’s leg strength, the burden of proof’s on you to show that they did so.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Not that motivated to disprove a cut kicker.
This team was beyond shwag last year, hence the meh for a cut place kicker.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
Have to remember too...
Its one more open camp spot to take a look at a different position. If Succop strruggles theres 1/2 a dozen PK to pick for between now and Game 1. Id much rather take another close look at an OLB then PK
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Succop is better then the numbers...
Youve clearly never seen the guy play. You can’t just look at stats without any other context and make a judgement call on a player. Succop will quickly prove why this was a smart move.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Percentage means nothing without
without a context or actually seeing the player play in a game. No one drafts on stats alone.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Injured
He was hurt for most of his Senior Year. That is a HUGE reason for the big dropoff…
by flyin_squirl on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not just the injury...
as it would affect him in game(was a brutal abdomen injury) but he didn’t practice all last year just so he could kick in games. Not practicing would have an even bigger impact then the injury itself.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Mason Crosby College STATS....
2003 7-9 77.8
2004 19-23 82.6
2005 21-28 75.0
2006 19-28 67.9
You can use STATS to convey whatever you want, the only thing that matter is his on the field performance.
Ultimate Meh.
Where’s the sayonara Favre post?
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
Medlock is currently 10/10 in the CFL!
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions
That's What I Was Thinking
Medlock was just as inconsistent in college.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
Help what was that Control Character again for keeping up?
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
+1
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Not
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
This would all be a moot point if King Carl would have drafted Mason Crosby or Nick Folk instead of Medlock
NOW REC ME
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:26 PM CDT reply actions
I Was Screaming The Same Thing When They Drafted Medlock
Although to be fair, Crosby had a relatively crap season last year. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
I think this post shows how desperate we are for real football news...
bitching about a cut kicker.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
No shit!
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it's just odd
That one of the training camp battles that we’ve been waiting for is over before it starts.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Competition is a good thing with kickers (Thanks, Herm)
Kickers one of the few positions where you can create a pressure atmosphere..I would have preferred to go to camp with two kickers.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
expect the unexpected
There have been plenty of surprise cuts, and I expect to be shocked again
"I doubt anyone will miss Connor Barth except UCrawford"
From the Micro view yes....
From the Macro view, the kicker is relatively irrelevant. Bottom line, I’m sick of making something out of nothing (Meche tossing 120+ pitches, Xavier Henry BS, Whitlock getting kciked out of White Power and Light, the list goes on and on). GIVE ME REAL NEWS.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
By real news I mean keep score or cut a mother fucker.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
One thing I can assure you...
This guy is clutch. In the three seasons where he was regularily kicking he only missed one clutch FG and that was in an OT game agaisnt the Vols. Other then that in pressure situations he hit everything. And another thing thats good about this is we had the worst opponent starting field position average in the league. A bigger leg will put a big dent into that.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
Ryan Succop was the obvious choice months ago.
He nailed ever single one of his kicks, while Connor Barth kept on missing from the same distance. On top of all that he has the strength in the leg to take it to the end zone.
Ryan Succop is a major upgrade talentwise over Connor Barth. If need be we can grab a kicker from the CFL to replace either of them.
Man I missed this :)
@ AP
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
CAN I JUST SAY....?
WOW GUYS! We are REALLY hard up for football to start… This site has been dead-ish the last week or so, most items only bringing out a handful of comments here and there. But cut a kicker (?!) and suddenly we have a full scale debate on our hands.
I can’t wait until we really start cutting/signing these players…this place will blow up?
(was it like this last year??)
GO CHIEFS!
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
and its taking place in my time zone!
its 9:40 am here ;)
nfl is looking for that yao ming money
by chiefsinchina on Jul 28, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Helps that this is in a DUAN time spot, or should I say APUAP (AP up all night)
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
Yes it was like this last year :)
But it’ll be even bigger this year (Thanks, Yahoo, CBS and SI).
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Yahoo to those collecting the checks...
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
Checks?
We call those beer gloves my friend.
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
2nd Shift is where it's at
That’s when Patrick goes to BANK !
August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
UC, playboy oyu gotta shorten that signature...
you know you’re my boy but those comments are just taking up too much space.
New Stiga table?!?! Return of the Brookside Pongers???
Never
I’m writing all my predictions for the year down as they come to me. I don’t care if it’s a hundred bullet points long. :)
And we’ll see how well you come out on the Succop move by season’s end…and yes, I will be rubbing it in when I’m correct, you Browns reprobate. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
You should at least stroke out the ones that are incorrect (Draft prediction, probably the LJ ones)
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I Don't Know If I Can Do That In My Signature Block
But I’ll try. Good suggestion.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
I Don't Think I Can Do That
But I’ll do a FanPost at the end of the year to discuss.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Dang it
You know how to do the strike through, right?
by Joel Thorman on Jul 28, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha
Your first try worked?
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Let's See If It Worked
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
Nope
It doesn’t allow you to add in the “strike” feature on signature block. We’ll just have to revisit in a FanPost at year’s end.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
No doubt
The only thing Crawford’s sig is missing is a ‘U CANT C ME’ image
by KansasCityShuffle on Jul 29, 2009 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Just for UC....
Barths Collegiate percentage(since he loves useless stats): 76%
Succops percentage: 73%(including injury season where he didnt practice) 78% removing injured season.
78 > 73
Ryan Succop- 2 time runner up for the Lou Groza Award for Best Collegiate Place Kicker.
Connor Barth- No significant collegiate awards or nominations.
Ryan Succop- Made all but one FG in offseason
Connor Barth- Missed frequent attempts in offseason
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
I think what is being missed
With all the bitching and griping about who’s stats are best…..is which one of these guys is part of the “right 53”. Obviously, Pioli and Haley have seen something in Succop that they feel is more attuned to what they want than they saw from Barth Maybe he just carried too much of the gloom of a bad season around with him. We weren’t in practice and we don’t know. Just like any other player…be it Glen Dorsey, Matt Cassel or Brandon Albert….if they don’t have the right mentality, if they don’t fit the mold of what the “right 53” is….they are out of here. Period.
I quote Scott Pioli from his interview this morning:
Todd and I are looking for the same thing. We’re looking for players who are committed. It sounds very elementary but we’re looking for players who know what the heck to do. There are times when you see players on a football team in the NFL that don’t know what to do.
Unless someone on here wants to claim they know more about football then Pioli and Haley…then we should watch what they do and withhold judgement about whether it was a good personnel move or not.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
Well
is which one of these guys is part of the "right 53".
That assumes that Pioli and Haley are making correct assessments about who the “right 53” players are. And frankly, when they cut a kicker who hit 83% of his field goals last year for a kicker who hit 67% of his field goals, I think it’s fair to call their judgment into question.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
But what didn't we see
That is my point. If the guy doesn’t fit he doesn’t fit. Perhaps Succop was taking to the coaching and Barth was blowing it off. I just can’t believe how worked up everyone got over this.
Every time someone releases a player from another team people keep saying we should go out and get them. But we don’t have roster space. We will still have to get rid of someone else if everyone gets signed before camp. They have to make hard decisions. They already know how Barth kicks…you can put in game tape and see. Therefore camp would not have changed that. If Succop turns out to not be the guy they thought then Barth or some other kicker will come in. As someone pointed out…it is not like Barth was leading the league in percentage or kickoff distance. Hell…call John Carney back up if you have to. There are plenty of unemployed kickers, and we already know about the one we just unemployed. Leave the roster spot so maybe one of these young O Line guys has a chance to show his stuff in camp. That is what we haven’t gotten to see yet.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
by Zodeman on Jul 28, 2009 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kickers
I just can’t believe how worked up everyone got over this.
Fallout from Medlock…it still pisses me off about how the prior regime went with a crappy kicker and brought in no competition because he was “their guy”, even though he’d been a really mediocre kicker in college. I see the same kind of bad, arrogant judgment in this move.
But what we didn’t see. That is my point.
It’s a good point, but that only goes so far. Kickers have one important job…can they hit their field goals? And I just can’t see “uncoachability” being a factor that makes up for a 16 point differential in field goal percentage. Especially when Succop hasn’t hit 83% of his field goals in any of his seasons as starter.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
6. The Chiefs will go 7-9 in 2009, good for 2nd in the AFC West.
7. Ryan Succop will not perform better in 2009 than Connor Barth did in 2008.
You have to have a little faith my friend...
Carl is gone. Herm is gone. Pioli needs to free up roster spots going into camp and like you’ve said earlier the defense could potentially be atrocious. Wouldnt we rather take an extra position player going into camp to see if we cant fill those holes over a kicker that we can replace closer to the regular season? Pioli and Haley have both said that ST are going to be a focus so I’m sure before the season we will have the most competent kicker we can have on the team.
"Success is never ending, failure is never final."
by GenericBrand on Jul 28, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
It's possible that it's a bad move
It’s also possible this is a good move. I’ll wait and see. But what I think will be different about Pioli than Peterson is just what you said:
the prior regime went with a crappy kicker and brought in no competition because he was "their guy", even though he’d been a really mediocre kicker in college. I see the same kind of bad, arrogant judgment in this move.
I don’t see Pioli being a person who will stick with someone because it’s “my guy”. I think he is more than willing to say “woops I f**d up, gotta fix this”, and go out and find someone else. Carl was too proud to say he messed up a decision. I may be wrong, but that is the vibe I get from these guys. If Succop ain’t the guy….there will be another in here in a hurry.
Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.
It's a critical position
One that can easily lead a team in scoring. That’s why I’m unhappy. A healthy competition for this roster spot would have been great. Vital in fact. I only saw Barth improving over the next few years. He could have done some things to (marginally, at least) improve his power. Missing the 50 yarder was nothing IMO leaving him with a pretty damn good rookie year. There are enough guys on the roster that make everyone ask, “Who the hell is that?” to warrant ditching one of them over Barth. I think this was a bad move.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Man I just don't get it.
They have great press conferences and the players are doing and saying the right things. Just as I start to think things are looking up they make a move like this. I don’t think there is anything that anyone will post in favor of this move that will make me see it as a positive. Our kicking game has been horrible to mediocre for YEARS and just when we have a worthwhile competition for this spot, they go with the rookie underdog who has career stats that leave a lot to be desired.
I want to have faith, but all I can muster is the benefit of the doubt. I thought the draft could have been better. I thought free agency could have been better. I thought some (probably most) of the coaching hires could have been better.
I stand by my original prediction that we’ll do no better than 6-10. This move certainly won’t help us do much better than that.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Buck up Buck'O
We have seen so many WTF moves this off season. Why?
Because we have not seen a TEAM built under our eyes since Schottenheimer.
and we were so pitiful then that nobody was watching :(
Now with the Marty and Vermeil era somewhat fresh we expect…..
Who the Hell knows But I for one am excited to see the product.
Geaux Go Chiefs
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly want to see a winner
and I get it. We’re still “building” here, but without competition how the hell are we supposed to know that we’re fielding the best possible product? I know kickers aren’t the most glamorous position on a football team, but it’s still a position that can easily lead a team in scoring. Points are what win games and in this particular case, I think the Chiefs made a terrible move.
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If we had kept Barth and then cut him ,based on competition, would it have been any different
Barth has a chance to catch on with another team which is ggod for him :)
And we have a chance to evaluate someone we really want more at this point in the Team building. What if they had cut DuJuan Morgan, McBride or Hali, Boone or Edwards.
Or pick someone :) we do have to cut one more pre-camp. Who DO you think it will be.
UC chime in.
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I believe it would have been different
Looking at the two of them day in and day out for the duration of camp would have probably favored Barth.
Ricardo Colclough, Jed Collins or Rodney Wright. Who the hell are they? :-\ Maybe someone will make the case for each of these guys, just as I would make the case for Barth. I’m just saying that we’re putting all of our eggs in one basket at a position that is paramount in our ability as a team to put points on the board. I think it was a dangerous move. I’d like nothing more than to be surprised by this guy, but his track record doesn’t look too good.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Why is nobody talking about how other teams
seem to always start from the 30yard line or better. Barth was not very good on kick offs
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jul 28, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
with the goal being to drop it inside the 10
perhaps Barth could have been better, but I’d be curious to know on average how many kick return yards we gave up as a unit that helped our opponents start out at the 30 or better. Overall, our special teams units need to improve significantly. Personally, I’d rather see points on the board. That’s why I think Barth was the better man.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Colclough was a returner last year maybe the best we had
Collins might be our fullback
Wright I don’t know
At the end of the Day DTR I think we will have 45 players Gameday that will be better than last year. Succop might be the Punter. wouldn’t AP go crazy if Colquitt was cut :((
Ryan Succop will Kick Two clutch kicks that will directly affect Said game.
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 28, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Colquit is a VIP in my book
I will go completely out-of-body if that happens
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
EXAAAAAAACTLY
Until we start winning, I’m not giving this regime the benefit of the doubt. To me there has been questionable move after questionable move. How many times can we keep hearing bullshit about “The right 53” and “In Pioli we trust”.
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jul 28, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
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