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The Greatest Kansas City Chiefs, By the Numbers: #24

In this July 26, 2008 file photo, Kansas City Chiefs' Brandon Flowers catches a pass during training camp in River Falls, Wis. With Patrick Surtain on one side and Flowers on the other, cornerback will be a family affair in Kansas City. When Flowers was growing up in South Florida, his first cousin married Surtain's brother.

For the first time in our voting, we don't have any offensive players as candidates only have one offensive player as a candidate.

Brandon Flowers is the current #24 and he honestly has a chance to be the best our of all of these guys. In fact he may be already.

  • CB William Bartee (2000-06)
  • DB Ceaser Belser (1968-71)
  • RB Willie Ellison (1973-74)
  • CB Gary Green (1977-83)
  • CB Jason Kaiser (1998)
  • S Erik McMillan (1993)
  • CB Jayice Pearson (1986-92)
  • S Doug Terry (1992-95)
  • DB Fred Williamson (1965-67)
  • S Felix Wright (1993)

Many thanks to those of you who helped me put this info together on our Google doc experiment. I think with more time we could have had this done entirely by the community.

I woke up a bit late today (second time in my life) so you may catch a couple of typos. Click Continue Reading to go on the magical historical journey that is the Kansas City Chiefs #24....

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CB William Bartee (2001-2006)

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Defensive back (6'1", 200 lbs) who came to the Chiefs as the 54th overall pick (2nd round) in the 2000 draft out of Oklahoma.  He played most of the time as a cornerback, but switched to safety when Ty Law was acquired, just in time for Pollard and Page to take his spot.  Had 235 tackles over his six seasons as a Chief, with 2002 being his best year at 84 tackles.  Never had an interception, but had 3.5 sacks over his career.  He was injured during the 2006 season and released after that year.

DB Ceaser Belser (1968-71)

A special teams start during his tenure in Kansas City, the only stats Belser registered while in KC were a couple of punt returns he picked up. His son Jason played two seasons for the Chiefs from 2001 to 2002 after a long career with the Colts.


RB Willie Ellison (1973-74)
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via www.beckett.com

Ellison spent almost his entire career in St. Louis as a Ram before heading to KC for his final two seasons. He didn't play too bad in KC either. He rushed for over 500 yards and two TDs as a fullback.



CB Gary Green (1977-83)

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via www.beckett.com

His son, Gary Francis Green II, is on full scholarship at Kansas.  He once opened a seafood restaurant which he calls the biggest mistake of his life.

Pro Bowler with the Chiefs in 1982-1983.  Team captain 5 times.  He was on the Bob Hope Christmas Show after being selected an All American at Baylor.


CB Jason Kaiser (1998)

Kaiser appeared in one game for the Chiefs and didn't record any stats. He was signed to the team's practice squad mid season, called up late in the season and not resigned. He spent part of one season in Dallas in 1999 and didn't play football after that.


S Erik McMillan
(1993)

McMillian was born in St. Louis and attended MU. He had a cice career with New York Jets. In 1993, played 6 games with Philadelphia, then 1 game in KC, and finished with 3 games in Cleveland.


CB Jayice Pearson (1986-92)
 
"Pearson had to be one of the worst DBs in memory for me. He clearly was an asset for the opposing offenses. There were the countless games against the Broncos. Once during a game when the mike was at the field level you heard John Elway basically call out 24...24....24 and he went right at JC for a big play. I remember the Houston game, who could forget forget the run and shoot with Warren Moon. Pearson was responsible for the slot receiver Hayward Jeffries. He had 245 yards against Pearson. Anyone who gives up that kind of yardage cannot be considered a great.

I could never figure out why a guy like Pearson continued to be put on the field, especially with such a good defensive mind like Schottenheimer. Oh well here is to saying that #24 Pearson should not be considered for the ring of honor anytime soon." TG- in Marina Del Rey
 
Pearson played almost his entire NFL career in KC, snagging seven INTs and making 28 starts over seven seasons.
 
Now an announcer for the Chiefs on KCTV 5, Pearson was member of the Chiefs' secondary along with Albert Lewis and Deron Cherry.


And we have more...
 
"Jaycie Pearson was the worst Chief to ever wear #24. There is a NFL films video of John Elway saying, "whenever he would come to the line of scrimage against the Chiefs - his first read was to look for #24, because whoever #24 was covering he know he was going to throw the ball to that receiver. If anyone watched the Chiefs during this era knows JC Pearson was the worst defensive back the Chiefs ever put on the field. He was so bad my brothers (who are Cowboys fans) and I would compare him to Ron Francis #38 who was the Cowboys worst defensive back ever.
 
Also, I find it extremely difficult to listen to JC commentate NFL games, especially Chiefs games, and tell the listener how it used to be on the field when he played - and give advise. Please - when he talks I just cringe. He doesn't know what he is talking about because he was a terrible player and should have never been on the field. As a matter of fact, when he went to play for the Vikings I could not believe my eyes - another team wants this guy - there is no way."  -Mark from Sacramento

S Doug Terry (1992-95)

In 57 career games as a Kansas City Chief, Doug posted one sack and one interception. His son Keeston Terry committed to play college ball at Nebraska as a WR.

DB Fred Williamson (1965-67)
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via www.library.northwestern.edu

Williamson played three seasons for the AFL’s Kansas City Chiefs. During his time with the Chiefs, Williamson became one of football’s first self-promoters, coining the nickname "The Hammer" — because he used his forearm to deliver karate-style blows to the heads of opposing receivers.

He finished his career in KC and did so with some solid numbers. He played in 37 games and made 11 INTs.

And a story from his Wiki page:

Prior to Super Bowl I, he garnered national headlines by boasting that he would knock Green Bay Packers starting receivers Carroll Dale and Boyd Dowler out of the game, stating "Two hammers to (Boyd) Dowler, one to (Carroll) Dale should be enough". His prediction turned out to be ironic, because Williamson himself was knocked out of the game in the fourth quarter, his head meeting the knee of Packer running back Donny Anderson.

S Felix Wright (1993)

Born in Carthage MO, Wright played for Cleveland and Minnesota from 1985 to 1992 and then finished his career with Kansas City in 1993. Felix started 0 games and accumulated 0 stats in Kansas City.

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Who is the greatest Chief to wear #24?

Read more about the Greatest Chiefs:

#1 - QB Warren Moon

#2 - K *** ****** 

#3 - K Jan Stenerud

#4 - P Nick Murphy

#5 - P Louie Aguiar

#6 - RB Warren McVea

#7 - QB Ron Jaworski

#8 - K Nick Lowery

#9 - QB Bill Kenney

#10 - QB Trent Green

#11 - QB Elvis Grbac

#12 - QB Rich Gannon

#13 - QB Steve Bono

#14 - RB Ed Podolak

#15 - QB Todd Collins

#16 - QB Len Dawson

#17 - QB Steve Deberg

#18 - CB Emmitt Thomas

#19 - QB Joe Montana

#20 - S Deron Cherry

#21 - S Jerome Woods

#22 - DB Willie Mitchell

#23 - RB Barry Word

Poll
Who is the greatest Chief to wear #24?
CB William Bartee
158 votes
DB Ceaser Belser
10 votes
RB Willie Ellison
7 votes
CB Gary Green
157 votes
CB Jason Kaiser
3 votes
S Erik McMillian
14 votes
CB Jayice Pearson
185 votes
S Doug Terry
9 votes
DB Fred Williamson
98 votes
S Felix Wright
7 votes
Somebody Chris forgot
109 votes

757 votes | Poll has closed

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Gotta give it to "The Hammer"

Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations

by carthagechief on Jul 24, 2009 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

What about Felix?

I know he never did anything for the Chiefs…..but when are you going to get an opportunity to vote for your hometown boy? Grew up in Carthage by the way.

by BA on Jul 24, 2009 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Hammer

I seem to remember the Hammer actually breaking some helmets during his career.

David Logue

by dklogue1 on Jul 24, 2009 7:36 AM CDT reply actions  

and getting laid out in Super Bowl I, too

which was essentially the end of his career

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Jul 24, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't Sell Green Short

I know there are a lot of people voting that don’t know much about the dark period in Chief’s history (both losing and moderate fan support), so I understand how a backup cornerback (Pearson) and a never was (Bartee) can lead an All-pro like Gary Green.

Green was James Hasty before James Hasty was. He was technically sound, a fanatical studier of game film, and a terrific athlete. Steve Largent was once asked who his toughest CB matchup was, and told a story how Green would tell Largent where he stepped wrong after an incompleted pass. Unfortunately, Green did not have a complement across the field like Hasty had Dale Carter, and the rest of the NFL soon caught on and rarely even bothered to throw the ball to his side of the field.

Williamson was good – better than Bartee and Pearson certainly, but his Chiefs career is not the equal of Gary Green.

There are only 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

by Frahnkensteen on Jul 24, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions  

I have to agree with Green

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jul 24, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green

Here’s another vote for Green. A really good player on terrible teams.

by RoyalsFan on Jul 24, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ty Law anyone?

LOL!! J/k but he was #24 also wasn’t he? lol…

by bigknoxy on Jul 24, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions  

The source we use for the numbers

Goes up to like ’04 or something. Chris must have missed it. He goes under the “Somebody Chris forgot” category.

by Joel Thorman on Jul 24, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

ahh... From five-time Pro Bowl selection and three Super Bowl rings...

To "Somebody Chris forgot."

Kinda makes you realize why some guys retire when they’re still on top.

…and with the teams that made them legendary, Tony.

by sunny D on Jul 24, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Unfortunately...

None of those probowls of rings happened while wearing the red and gold

There are only 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

by Frahnkensteen on Jul 24, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Green

was the best of the group— by far. Williamson hammered but he also got beat and was not a great CB. Gary Green was the best in the league for 2-3 years. He was a shutdown corner, in league with Emmitt Thomas, Albert Lewis, James Hasty and Dale Carter. I don’t even understand the debate. Green has to be considered for any all time Chiefs team, even with all the great corners we have had.

by Remember Marv Levy on Jul 24, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions  

Reading up on him now...

I’m of the younger generation.

Thanks for the insight and welcome to AP!

by Joel Thorman on Jul 24, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

More on Green

 Of the other choices, Pearson was a fairly good nickel but that is all. Bartee got run out of town. Ellison the RB was actually second best but not even close. We traded for Ellison when Stram was in free fall. He set a then single game rushing record on the Rams but did not do much for KC

by Remember Marv Levy on Jul 24, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

I can't believe all the votes for Pearson

You have to be kidding me. We are smarter than this, people (I hope). Take the time to read the post before you vote.

by chiefstatnut on Jul 24, 2009 10:38 AM CDT reply actions  

At least

the voting for William Bartee has slowed somewhat

There are only 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

by Frahnkensteen on Jul 24, 2009 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Name recognition

must mean a lot in these polls, as Gary Green is (& should be) the hands down winner of this vote! Pearson & Bartee would definitely be backups to Green & Williamson (if they even made the team)!

by ttownmikey on Jul 24, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Why can't I vote for Carr

Just a joke, I do think Carr has the potential to be the best 24 tho

"You can't polish a turd", old guy, Christine
"Let your anger be, like a monkey in a pinata, hiding amongst the candy, hoping the kids don't break through with their sticks!" Master Payne, King Pow

by mugglemage on Jul 24, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

If I'm not mistaken, Flowers is #24 isnt he?

My vote is for Flowers. That kid is a stud and he will go down as one of the best DBs the Chiefs have ever had when he’s done.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 24, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

If Pearson wins this whole project loses credibility

I’m sorry, but he’s not in the same breath with at least three of these guys. He’s basically warmed over Ceaser Belser

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on Jul 24, 2009 1:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Green v the Hammer

Gary Green was a great corner but the Hammer had mystique so I went Hammer. I can’t believe folks voting for Bartee and Pearson and some of the others. It’s a joke

by FrankPitts on Jul 24, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Green...

There was a time when KC and CB’s were a given: Emmitt Thomas and Jim Maraslis, Gary Green, Albert Lewis and Kevin Ross, Dale Carter and James Hasty…

by FrankPitts on Jul 24, 2009 1:39 PM CDT reply actions  

re "Frank Pitts"

THE “Frank Pitts”?
Gary Green’s partner was Eric Harris who was also very good and unhappy came to KC in 79 or 80 after being 4th round choice due to playing in WFL or something. But they do come in 2’s/ or 3’s if you add a superlative FS:
Thomas, Marsalis, Robinson
Green, Harris and Barbaro
Lewis, Ross and Cherry
Hasty, Carter and Collins

with strong safeties only slightly less talented: Jim Kearney, Lloyd Burruss, Kevin Porter

by Remember Marv Levy on Jul 24, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions  

choices

JC Pearson is a fine announcer but never started for KC. Bartee s*cked big time. How can ANYONE justify voting for him ( I hope moderator does not think this violates TOS its just truth as I know it).

by Remember Marv Levy on Jul 24, 2009 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

No violation, RML. You're fine.

Whoever writes, "It is what it is," or, "At the end of the day," gets banned...Knowing is half the battle.

by DThomasReigns on Jul 24, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, and welcome to AP!

Whoever writes, "It is what it is," or, "At the end of the day," gets banned...Knowing is half the battle.

by DThomasReigns on Jul 24, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is an interesting debate

The Hammer was a very colorful player, but apparently only played three years.

Gary Green looks like the hands down best, but the writeup does not do him justice. Why didn’t someone put he was a 4 time pro-bowler before I voted for Pearson?

Here’s the deal though, I’m 40, have watched Chiefs games all my life, and I honestly don’t remember Green. Imagine the younger fans that only recognize the name Bartee on the field and Pearson in the booth. Both Bartee and Pearson had relatively long NFL careers.

I think if Greens writeup was more detailed http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GreeGa01.htm the results would be different.

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jul 24, 2009 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Don't Be Hard on Yourself

Green was drafted when you were about 10 years old. Plus those were the “Royals” years. Everybody knew all about Dennis Leonard, Frank White, Amos Otis, and George Brett, but players like Green, Art Still, Gary Barbaro, and Henry Marshall toiled along anonomously despite talent on par with players going to the pro bowl.

There are only 10 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and those that don't.

by Frahnkensteen on Jul 24, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I remember all the others you mentioned

My favorite though was Gary Spani, #26, but you are right about playing homerun derby in the back yard, and pretending to be Amos Otis (my friend was left handed, so he was always George Brett)

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jul 24, 2009 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time-outs

were the norm as someone would always have to run into the house for a tooth-pick so they could be U. L. Washington!

by ttownmikey on Jul 26, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, at least on the all KC Chiefs numbers team JC Pierson will be on the bench

where he belongs.

August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 24, 2009 5:03 PM CDT reply actions  

It looks like Pearson is going to win this one

If you look at his broadcasting career… OK, Green is still the best. I’d change my vote if I could!

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jul 24, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is the one problem with the polls

a lot of people don’t read about the players before they vote.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jul 24, 2009 7:08 PM CDT reply actions  

So far

I’ve got 66 votes saying Colquitt should be #2. Let’s see how it goes over the weekend, but I think that should be enough to change #2 to disbuted

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jul 24, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Disputed :)

Maybe # 24 will be disbuted.

Geaux Chiefs

August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 24, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love the Geaux Chiefs

there’s some serious issues with only considering players before 2004, and not giving a full biography

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jul 24, 2009 10:16 PM CDT reply actions  

It was a community effort and not every player was looked at equally in the effort

JC was seriously hammered and other such as Green didn’t get enough attention.
I commented on Felix Wright who only played in 1 game for Chiefs but got 6 votes. Go figure
Chris and Joel are busting ASS and this was not THEIR fault but voters not reading 1st.
I read and then was going to vote Hammer but checked for more info on Green and voted for him.

August 14th Baby! Can't wait! 3 Fridays away!
Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 24, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm just saying

if the writeup was different, Green is in like flint, kind of like another Green when we get to his number

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jul 24, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

OOPS
  1. has already been done

Negative Ghost Rider the pattern is full...

by cpa913 on Jul 24, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Another travesty

If the voting on here doesn’t change, this will be an even bigger travesty than having Elliot listed among the best Chiefs. Green was one of the absolute top corners in his time. No one else on this list even deserves consideration except for Fred Williamson, and that only because of his infamy in the early days of the AFL. Green HAD to be the best to get the recognition he did on such a bunch of crappy teams. During that period our secondary and Art Still was about all we had to count on. Despite our inept offense, they were always in the game and playing at an extremely high level.

by Big Chief on Jul 25, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions  

I kind of wonder

If these would not be better served to come in two parts. Part one being a post about the guys, then the next day run the poll. That would allow people to learn something about older players without having so much knee-jerk voting because of recent name recognition. I know i’ve been guilty of bad votes before really reading all the way through.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 26, 2009 7:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Fred Williamson

had his best years with the Faiders…tko in Super Bowl I. Pearson needs no comment. This should have been Gary Green in a runaway…4 time pro-bowler. I still have a #24 jersey from when he played for the Chiefs.

by Chiefs70man on Jul 29, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions  

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