Reactions to the Signing of Matt Cassel

by Chris Thorman on Jul 15, 2009 7:07 AM CDT in 2009 Offseason Comment 53 comments

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I think Jason Whitlock may have been writing an article on Randy Moss then decided at the last minute to work in Matt Cassel because his latest doesn't make a whole lot of sense (H/T Rev. Slappy in the FanPosts):

After just one season of playing alongside Moss in New England, Cassel went from unheralded scrub to a man with a six-year contract worth $60 million-plus, which includes $28 million in guaranteed cash and $40 million over the first three years.

Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Daunte Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Tom Brady and Chad Pennington are chuckling. They’ve all ridden the Randy Moss gravy train.

Psst. Rev. Slappy put the clown suit on - "Brady without Moss = 3 Superbowl wins. Brady with Moss = 0 Superbowl wins." Done.

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Cam Inman of InsideBayArea.com:

He should pay the Raiders a referral fee.

To refresh your memory, Cassel came off the bench to replace injured New England Patriots savior Tom Brady last season and put forth a stellar coming-out party. That included a career-high four touchdown passes in a Week 15 win at Oakland, only days after his father died.

No no. Bernard Pollard should get that referral fee.

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Adam at Arrowhead Addict:

More money than — GULP! — Tom Brady? Hope he’s worth it, and I think he will be. Remember, Brady also gave the cap-strapped Pats a break so they could add other players. Funny thing is, Gisele will make more than both quarterbacks combined next year.

Yep, more money than Brady.

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Ryan over at the KCChiefsBlog.com:

Say what you want about the number of times Cassel was sacked last season or how he benefited from playing in Bill Belichick’s system, all you have to do is listen to Scott Pioli’s father-in-law: "You are what your record says you are." Matt Cassel is 11-5 and virtually any other season would have led his team to the playoffs.

Love that quote by Pioli.

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Nick Sloan:

It ends any sort of quarterback competition. Is Cassel a better quarterback than Tyler Thigpen or Brodie Croyle? Absolutely, especially over Croye, who is the Tony Pena, Jr. of NFL quarterbacks. However, I think Thigpen could have pushed Cassel a tad. With the big contract, the competition is over.

Nick has some more points so make sure you click through to check them out.

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Twitter reactions:

JoRivai - "Wow, Cassel's agent is truly a magician."

dmoody46 - "I smell a bust..."

SteakDownUnder - "Why the hurry? Why not see how 09 goes first ??"

DCreekmur - "The Chiefs are CRAZY!!! Matt Cassel is going to be a bust. Look what team he was on last year people."

kbanares - "im guessing the chiefs are praying his next 6 years are greater than last season"

InNeedofEuros - "Good for him, but I would have liked to see him play in Chiefs uniform 1st"

JUmberson - " I love the chiefs for overpaying for a system quarterback."

And finally, this one from CrizFresh is just great - "Kansas City Chiefs Remind Me Of Da Knicks Dey Sign Matt Cassel 2 A $63Mil Extension...Dude Hasnt Thrown A Pass Yet...Allan Houston Pt2 LMFAO"

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As far as how Arrowhead Pride readers felt about the signing of Matt Cassel, 75% of you approve.

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And because the competition’s over, trade value for Thigpen is down. Significantly. You weren’t going to get a first or second rounder for him. However, if he pushed Cassel in camp after playing pretty well at times last season, he could have maybe been worth a third or fourth rounder. The Chiefs lost any possible leverage in trading Thigpen today.

Why does everyone think we were even considering trading Thigpen? When you have a relatively solid QB, who has shown that he can lead the team down the field and score points, who is making chump change, why in the hell would you not keep him as your backup QB?

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jul 15, 2009 7:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Trading Thigpen = Dumbest idea ever. Ever. Why can’t people understand that. The QB is THE MOST IMPORTANT position on your team. You should have at LEAST 2 guys on your team who can start. Look at last year alone.

Brady went doen before the end of the first game.

Carson Palmer never played a snap.

The Bengals had two pretty damn good recievers to throw too. How well did their back up do?

Screw all thiss system QB crao. There is no such thing as a system QB. Every QB plays in an offensive syste, They are either sucessful in it or they are not. Cassel was successful that guy from the Bengals whose name I can’t remember because he was garbage (beat the Chiefs though) did not.

If Cassel comes here and fails it will be because the Chiefs failed to provide an offense where he and the other players could sucseed. What if Matt Cassel stayed in NE? What if Brady retired or couldn’t play any more? Do you think Cassel would have gotten better or worse?

Look, havign weapons help byut Carson Palmer is a good QB when the Bengals play well and he is a good QB when they suck. Matt Cassel is a good QB.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Jul 15, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

FFS

Please excuse me for misspelling succeed and successful a million times in that comment.

D-Bowe, Mark Bradley, Bobby Engram and Turtle. Four Chiefs WRers. 4 Pro Bowlers.

by Patrick Allen on Jul 15, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

Next year maybe….he’s still got two years left.

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jul 15, 2009 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thigpen has become our new rich gannon

He can come in be effective if anything should happen to cassel knock on wood we have a more than capable back up .

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Jul 15, 2009 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still feel good

After a night to sleep on it, I actually feel better about it. I am one who had felt they should probably wait till midseason before they signed him, just to be sure about his play. But Scott Pioli has been around him since he’s been in the league and saw up close and personal how his play was last year. Haley has had Kurt Warner the last couple of years, so I think he is able to recognize a good QB too. Everything about how the guy has handled himself since he has been here says he is the real deal. There is a good chance this year will be rockier for him than last year was. Duh, no revelation there. Trent Green has some struggles his first year here too, and that was with a team we knew more about than the youngsters on the roster here now. If we get Trent Green production out of him for the next six years this deal is a steal. And I actually think Cassel may have higher potential than Green, in terms of being a guy who will step up and make a play at the end of the game when you absolutely have to have one. He just seems to have the mindset. The timing of signing him now is a reward for how he has done thus far, gets that monkey off his back, puts us in great shape cap-wise by locking in high pay for the next couple of years, and gives us strength at the most crucial position.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 15, 2009 7:58 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

I couldn't agree more

But Scott Pioli has been around him since he’s been in the league and saw up close and personal how his play was last year. Haley has had Kurt Warner the last couple of years, so I think he is able to recognize a good QB too. Everything about how the guy has handled himself since he has been here says he is the real deal.

That pretty much sums it all up.

The Chiefs lost any bargaining leverage with Cassel’s Agent when Haley said he wish he had 53 Matt Cassels.

by ChiefsDude on Jul 15, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So. on Chiefs leverage

agree and +1 is good but if you really like a comment just hit the action button and RECommend.

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Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 15, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ESPN Poll last night every state said we overpaid Cassell..

even Missouri. Kansas was to close so it was Switzerland. I still like that we are making the effort to get someone to run the show for the future, and I hope he shows that our 75% approval was correct.

by Helmets on Jul 15, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

See

What they don’t get is basically they paid him franchise tag money for the next two years, that’s all he’s gauranteed to make ($14 mil x 2 = $28 million). It helps the Chiefs get up to the cap floor, while giving Cassel a couple years to prove he’s not Derek Anderson and can win some games for the Chiefs. If it doesn’t end up working out, hey, they did the right thing by me. A little money was spent on a guy who the GM has known for the last 4 years. I’ll trust his judgement until Pioli shows us we shouldn’t.

Cassel does worry me slightly, but I am impressed with the reports of how diligently he’s working to become the best he can be.

Herm Edwards: "There's FOUR quarters in football?!"

by IISaiNtII on Jul 15, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really the only opinions that matter are Clark, Scott, Todd, and AP!

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 15, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I still like it too...

At this point, there is no doubt in Cassels mind that he is the man. He no longer has to worry about playing for his contract and can just focus on the job at hand.
I too feel like he has more potential than Green had. He is much younger, doesnt have the injury history (or the wear and tear) and has proven himself more than Green had before he came to KC as a starter.
I do not worry about this systems QB crap like most other people who have been mentioning that. Our system has not been that much different from NE anyway. We don’t have Randy Moss but, we do have D-Bowe who has been very good in his first two years and I still think he can be as good as Moss or Fitzgerald with some attention from Haley. Engram may not be Wes Welker but, he IS Bobby Engram. He is just an older version of Welker who has proven to be a reliable target for a long time. We have all the talent we need to put a stellar offensive unit on the field as long our O-line proves to be stable enough.

And to respond to Helmets: I totally don’t care about an ESPN poll. Most of these people don’t pay as much attention to what is going on with this team as we do here at AP. I think Cassel got a fair contract and on NFL live last night, all of the reporters were praising Scott Pioli for this deal and are expecting a very bright future for this young Chiefs team.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 15, 2009 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs

People are saying different things

On ESPN they said Brady is making 11.5 mil avg and Cassel will make 10 mil avg but most others are saying Cassel is making more?

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jul 15, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Over the term

Of his contract, I think Brady’s average is higher, but he is now in the lower paying later years of the deal. This year Cassel makes more.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 15, 2009 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brady's was six years and just under $60 million

Cassel’s is a $10.5 million/year average.

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jul 15, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The price has gone up

What year is Brady in now? I would guess that if he returns to form this year that a new deal will be in the offing next year. And when Eli Manning signs on to a new deal, we will have a new benchmark to work from. But $10/mil a year is just the going rate for NFL starters.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 15, 2009 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

That FanShot I just put up by John Clayton said Brady is making $11.4 million/year…

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jul 15, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought

I had heard Brady’s contract was bigger. But it was front loaded too, so not as much coming in now.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 15, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just another thing Cassel learned from Brady

you leave some money on the table for the team to sign other players to make you look better.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jul 15, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Notice all the big money being paid when we have a ton of cap room and in whats more then likely an uncapped year. If his play on the field is as good as all the other hard work, leadership, teamanship and other intagibles hes got we spent 60M wisely.

"Success is never ending, failure is never final."

by GenericBrand on Jul 15, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that matters to either of them.

I think either of these guys would rather be on a team of winners for years to come than be money hogs who demand huge contracts that don’t allow their teams to bring along any additional talent. Cassel is a smart guy and so is Brady. They realize that there is a lot more money when you play for a winning TEAM due to endorsement deals Etc.
Brady has already shown that he was willing to structure his contract so they could bring in Randy Moss and continue to build a winner.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 15, 2009 8:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I Got What Whitlock Was Saying

And it’s a valid concern…Moss has made a lot of mediocre QBs look very good during their time together, only for those QBs to be exposed as being not very good after they weren’t with Moss. And Cassel did struggle with the long ball last year, which is a bit troubling since that’s one of Moss’ fortes. But I think the contract is reasonable and since it’s front-loaded I think the Chiefs have taken those concerns into account sufficiently.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jul 15, 2009 8:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

But what Whitlock left out

In 2007, when NE traded for Moss, they also aquired Welker and Donte Stallworth. How much better did that make Randy Moss?
When he got drafted by Minnesota, they already had Chris Carter. How much better did that make Randy Moss?
When he went to Oakland they had nobody else…and it took him two years to get 1500 yards and a bad attitude. The second year WITHOUT Collins throwing to him, he only got 553 yards. Now tell me….who is exposing who as being better than they are?

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 15, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Very Valid

Point…. yeah whitlock kind of failed to bring that up lol….

by kcchiefsfan on Jul 15, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Welker Was An Asset To Brady, Not Moss

Donte Stallworth was a bust with New England so I doubt he had any effect on Moss, or Brady for that matter. Moss is simply Moss…his numbers in 2007 were the result of a premier WR being paired with quite possibly the best QB of this generation.

And let’s not forget that while Moss was in Oakland, they had garbage for QBs there. In 2005 they had Kerry Collins and his 53% completion percentage there (Moss got 1,000 yards that season) and in 2006 they had Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter running Art Shell’s even-worse-than-Herm style offense. QBs and scheme factor into how well a WR performs more than a second WR does, and Moss had neither in Oakland. And frankly, who wouldn’t have a bad attitude playing in a shithole like Oakland? The team never goes anywhere, the owner is senile, and the coaching staff is more often than not incompetent.

Moss’ work ethic may sometimes be questionable, but his ability is not, and it really doesn’t have much to do with his supporting cast. He has produced stellar numbers throughout his career with less than stellar QBs throwing to him.

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Jul 16, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And

The second year WITHOUT Collins throwing to him, he only got 553 yards.

I’m sorry, but that’s just a ridiculous remark. There isn’t a WR in NFL history who could have produced numbers with the offense and QBs the Raiders had in 2006. Not even Jerry Rice…the Raiders simply couldn’t throw the ball downfield with any degree of accuracy. Tom Walsh that year ran quite possibly the most inept offense in the last 40 years. Aaron Brooks got injured early on (and played horrible when relatively healthy) and Andrew Walter would struggle to make a roster anywhere else as a 3rd stringer (exemplified by his 3/13 TD/INT ratio and 53% pass completion).

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Jul 16, 2009 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

but my point

Is that if all these QBs were just riding the Moss gravy train as Whitlock said, then even Aaron Brooks should have looked good his second year in Oakland. The stats for the whole offense that year were….offensive. And I’m not trying to say Moss is not exceptional. But I’m just not convinced he is one of the greatest players ever to play the game. Notice that Kerry Collins and his leading receiver the year before Moss came had almost identical numbers to the year they spent WITH Moss. My point is that if Moss was ALL that, Collins numbers should have shot up when he got someone like that to throw to and the other receivers numbers should have shot up with Moss getting all the DB attention. But they didn’t.
I’m not opposed to throwing some love at Randy Moss, because he clearly is one of the top receivers. Whitlock just went so far overboard on that it is silly.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 16, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Is that if all these QBs were just riding the Moss gravy train as Whitlock said, then even Aaron Brooks should have looked good his second year in Oakland.

I’m not sure if you saw very many of Oakland’s games that year, but the offense that Tom Walsh and Art Shell ran that season pretty much guaranteed that no QB could survive, even if they’d had a good one. They went from a Norv Turner West Coast variation to a vertical passing attack that featured mostly 7 step drops (behind a poor offensive line) and no dumpoffs to the running backs (LaMont Jordan went from 70 receptions in 2005 to 10 in 2006), run by an offensive coordinator who hadn’t coached in the NFL for at least five years. It was quite possibly the worst offense I’ve ever seen over the course of a season…even worse than what Herm ran. That’s why Shell and Walsh got fired after one season on the job.

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Jul 16, 2009 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Point Being

Although Randy Moss’ attitude went straight south and he quit trying, there was nothing he could have done to help Brooks or Walter. The Oakland QBs spent the year getting beaten down by pass rushers because the line couldn’t hold their blocks long enough to let deep passes unfold so there just weren’t many balls getting thrown Moss’ way. Even if he’d never made a drop he would have struggled to get to 1,000 yards. And WRs simply can’t get yards if the QB can’t get the ball to them.

It was a long bitter year in fantasy football for those who had Oakland Raider players on their team…Lamont Jordan and Cadillac Williams helped lead my 2006 fantasy squad to a last place finish.

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Jul 16, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Did you read Whitlock's article

I’m not trying to say Oakland was any good. I’m just pointing out that Moss is a product of the system he is in just as any player in the NFL is. Whitlock is gushing so hard about the guy that he gives him credit for all the QBs who’ve played with him only being good because they had Randy Moss. Sorry but I don’t buy it. When Moss has other receivers and good QBs around him, he has stellar numbers. If he was everything Whitlock says, even that year in Oakland wouldn’t have been as abysmal. If he was everything Whitlock said, then the first year with Collins and another good reciever would have shown a marked improvement on the previous year when Collins and the same receiver put up almost identical numbers.

When I was looking at those stats for his second year in Oakland, it was hard to believe. That had to have been about the most pathetic offense I’ve ever seen. Couldn’t run, couldn’t pass.

Donte Stallworth was a bust with New England so I doubt he had any effect on Moss, or Brady for that matter. Moss is simply Moss…his numbers in 2007 were the result of a premier WR being paired with quite possibly the best QB of this generation.

When you make that statement, that is pretty much the point I"m trying to make. Brady is Brady…not because of Moss. But the record year Moss had I think did have something to do with having a couple other recievers that people at least had to respect and not triple team Moss like happened in Oakland. Collins is Collins and Moss didn’t have much effect. I don’t think we are that far apart on opinion…I think you are just not quite getting my point about the way Whitlock gushed all over about Moss.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 16, 2009 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Did Read Whitlock's Article

I don’t buy that he’s a product of the system, though…I think he basically makes some of the systems he played in possible. Tom Brady was a great QB before Moss got there. In their one season together, though, Brady became otherworldly (his other seasons weren’t even close to 2007 statistically) and Moss made catches I’ve never seen a WR make. He’s a game changer who had to constantly be accounted for on the field. That’s not a “system” WR.

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Jul 16, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Will Say

That if I were assembling an all-time team, Moss wouldn’t be in my top 5, primarily because of his shaky attitude and questionable work ethic. When he’s on, he’s on, but when he doesn’t want to play, he’s a problem. You never heard about Jerry Rice checking out on a season (or even a game) like Moss has done frequently.

Predictions for 2009

by UCrawford on Jul 16, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

To the Naysayers...

You might be right and Cassel may bust. But the alternative is worse, pay $60 million for a QB draft choice who has never even played in the NFL.

The reality is this, he gives us more in leadership qualities than any QB since Trent Green. After reading the offseason notes about his work ethic, I believe he can be the answer for no other reason than he can help inspire and push the guys around them. Over the last two years that always seemed to be the thing missing….no one pushed these guys. And in the 4 quarter it always seemd to show. So $60 million not just for a QB, but for a team leader. Seems like an easy decision to me.

by Steve.Green on Jul 15, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Chiefs fans suck sometimes!

I have lived all around the world and it is no wonder we have a national reputation of a crybaby fanbase. For all of the self imposed “Best fans in the NFL” hype Chiefs fans like to crown themselves with there sure is alot of negative reactions to our organization trying to pull itself out of the era of futility Pioli and Haley have inherited. Had the Chiefs used their 1st rounder on a QB they would be shelling out a hell of a lot more dough on a kid who hasn’t taken a SINGLE snap in the NFL. Our QB has played a full NFL season and he won 11 games. Check out his stats and rankings:

9th in completions (327). Better than Rivers (12) Roethlisberger (14), Romo (15) and it is not just because of a pass happy offense, check out his 11th ranked 63.4 completion %: Better than Cutler (62.3), Romo (61.3) Ryan (61.1) Roethlisberger (59.9).
10th in TDs (21) Better than Roethlisberger (15th, 17) Ryan (16th, 16) Flacco (20th , 14).
14th INT (11) Tied with Ryan and Rivers, Better than P. Manning (12) and Roethlisberger (15).
10th in Rating (89.4) Better than Ryan (87.7) Cutler (86.0) Flacco (80.3) and yes… Roethlisberger (80.1).
And most important he guided his team to 11 wins, more than Romo, Cutler, or Rivers. The same as Flacco, and Ryan. And just edged out by Roethlisberger with 12.

I bet any the overwhelming majority of Chiefs fans would love to see nearly all of the above named QBs on our roster, yet we have a bust on our hands? The numbers don’t support it. I am pretty damn happy this regime brought in what could be the franchise QB the Chiefs have been lacking for so long as opposed to bringing in a retread vet or truly rolling the dice on a rookie. We have a good QB now. Give up the “Matt Cassell is the next Scott Mitchell” garbage. GO CHIEFS!!

by sandpro on Jul 15, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs

Amen!

This is a time to look forward…

by Steve.Green on Jul 15, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All fans suck sometimes

It’s not just KC. Every ‘fan’ is so emotionally invested in their team that they get desperate for wins and good news. If you go to any city and listen to their fans you’d hear desperation. I’d bet even in NE right now, they won 11 games last year and missed the playoffs so you can bet the fans there are crying about getting things together and making changes. That’s just the way it is. The reason KC has the best fans in the NFL is the level of involvement they give. This site is a prime example. We blow every other SB Nation site away with the number of posts and responses. All of that for a team that hasn’t won a playoff game since the early 90s. So while I do understand your sentiments above, check yourself before you come down on Chiefs fans.

by Chiefs4Life on Jul 15, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why check myself...

for speaking the truth? The reason I “come down on” my fellow fans is because of how much I do invest in my team. We are a big family, if my brother starts bagging on my parents without reason, I check him and criticize his behavior and comments. I will check anyone in this forum if they aren’t adding anything valuable to an argument or debate and simply stating “Cassell will be a bust” or “Pioli sucks” adds nothing. Make an opposing argument or just support your point. But I will definately defend any other APers if other team’s fans come in here and try to bag on fellow Chiefs fans, just like family.
GO CHIEFS!!

by sandpro on Jul 15, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I read this site everyday ok 20 to 30 times a day

and have never seen anyone say Cassel or Pioli sucks, not sure what site your reading.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jul 15, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey man

I think you’re reading the quotes of other people’s reactions. It it’s in a grey box, it was taken from somewhere else and if there’s a red name in front of the quote it is from Twitter. Nobody here has said anything like that, check the polls.

by Reno_Chief on Jul 15, 2009 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

to BBtg and Reno

Sandpro might have been referring to other Chiefs fans not on AP.
Granted you read some of the other sites comments and you will see it :(

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 15, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Culpepper, Pennington, Brady, and Collins are all VERY GOOD QBs.

I think they made Moss look good, not the other way around.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 15, 2009 9:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

An outsider's perspective on Cassel.

Full disclosure up front, I’m a fan of the Patriots, I live in Minnesota and watched Randy Moss when he was up here. Now with that out of the way.

When Cassel took over last year, the veterans said all the right things, “Matt’s our quarterback, we’re behind him.” There’s alot of strong veteran leadership there, and they paid him lip service.

Once Matt stepped up, and he did step up. He truly was the leader of the offense and the veterans were truly behind him. He earned it with two 400+ yard games. He earned it in one game by being the team leader in rushing. He earned it with 4 touchdown passes against the Raiders the week his dad died. Nobody would have blamed him for taking the week off, but they were pushing for the playoffs.

If we didn’t already have Tommy Terrific, I would have loved to keep the guy.

Moss was not Cassel’s go to guy. Moss made some outstanding plays last year, but he was double covered in almost every game (except the Raiders). Moss can make plays in double coverage, provided the quarterback is accurate, but it also means another receiver is usually open. That is why Moss does better with good receivers on the field. It takes pressure of off his quarterback to put the ball where only he (and not two or three other guys) can get it.

Welker was Cassel’s go to guy. If you guys can run a dink and dunk offense (including RB and TE help) with at least one player that is an occasional long ball threat. Matt should do great for you. If your receivers can’t get open, the Peyton Manning or Tom Brady won’t be able to help you much either.

Cassel has a great head on his shoulders, a very accurate arm for the short ball, a strong arm (long accuracy could use a little work), and great feet when other options fail.

I’d worry more about other parts of the team. Matt’s solid. Another way of looking at it. When Tom went down, Hoodie wasn’t scambling for a quarterback, he trusted Matt and Matt came through.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 15, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 3 recs

Nice take

And thanks for a non-homer look at it.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jul 15, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

SMP, I was over on the Pats site earlier today...

I have to compliment you guys. You seem to have a pretty good group over there and the site seems to be well put together. Since we have gotten Pioli, Vrabel, and Cassel. we have had quite a few NE fans on here and for the most part, everyone seems pretty cool. (Unlike the douchebags over at Silver and Black) Man I hate the Raiders!!!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 15, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the complement

Pioli and Belichick have done great things this decade. Belichick always had veto power (he is essentially GM and head coach). I like Scott, and he has the training to do great things for you, but if I had to keep just one of them, I’d take Belichick.

Vrabel has done great for us, he is definitely a fan favorite. I know he was upset a bit about the move, he was definitely a huge contributor. I believe Pioli saw him as an aid to a young team and knew that the Patriots would need to free some cap space, so he got a twofer. I hope Vrabes comes around and plays like he is capable.

BTW, I think his drop in production (sacks) last year was due to three issues:
1. Our secondary sucked, and alot of receivers were open. Deltha O’Neal in particular stunk up the place.
2. Adalius Thomas went on IR, Pierre Woods went on IR, Shawn Crable was already on IR, so there was no pressure on the other side.
3. I think he was playing injured. He’s a tough SOB, sorry to see him go.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 15, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see Bowe/Moss, Engrem/Welker, RB/Charles, TE/Curtis, and someone stepping forward as Long threat

Rule 49. " Think and talk positive football off the field." Hank Stram
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jul 15, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So from your point of view, how ya think the Chiefs are looking so far as far as the moves they have made??

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 15, 2009 2:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think you're getting there....

I think you’re building a sound team. Playoffs this year? Maybe not. The Chargers are basically intact, and I’d say still #1 in the division. Within two-three years, I see this as a very competitive three-way division (no Raiders until Al dies).

I usually pay attention to the Chargers (the Pats tend to bump into them every year), but I really like the moves that both Kansas City and Denver made (I wasn’t all that sold on Cutler, and I like the way Orton wins). Of the two, I think Denver may have more pieces this year. You’ve got Pioli, and it won’t take him too long to find the pieces you’re missing.

At bare minimum, the Chargers are going to have to work a heck of a lot harder this year.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 15, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

...and they know it!

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 15, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Part of building a winning team....

is getting the guys to expect to win, every game.

To put in the work every week, so you expect to win every Sunday.

Cassel, Vrabel, and Zach Thomas can help.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 15, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks SMP!

You are welcome to come over and hang with us anytime.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 15, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks for the invite

I’ll probably watch some of Cassel’s games this year (if their televised in my area), to see how he and Vrabel are getting along.

I like the environment you guys have over here.

The more you know, the more you know that you don't know.

by SlotMachinePlayer on Jul 15, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cassel and Vrabel

Hey KC,

Good luck with Cassel and Vrabel! I can see why you would be nervous about Cassel being worth the money and the truth is you won’t know until season is under way. I believe the guy has heart and if he finds something he can do better he will do everything he can to correct it. His history with the Pat’s shows he can hang in through tough times. He has courage and your team is added to my watch list with my Pat’s. I really hope he does well! Also I hope Vrabel contributes well to your defense and I bet he will be a good on the field coach if you have coachable people on your defense. He did so much for us in New England that even my girlfriend was upset at his leaving. I really miss that guy. Hope he plays with an attitude! I’ll be hoping the best for you guy’s except against the Pat’s (Sorry!).

Michael

by BigMike619 on Jul 15, 2009 4:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs