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On Second Thought, Maybe the Chiefs Shouldn't Sign Greg Ellis

Back on May 25th of this year, Connerman made an argument for the Chiefs to pick up the soon-to-be-cut Greg Ellis.  He contended that his versatility and experience in the 3-4 and 4-3 made him an intriguing candidate for the Kansas City Chiefs.  His argument made me a believer that Ellis could and should help the Chiefs in 2009.

Connerman cited concerns over whether Ellis would want to come to the Chiefs, but recognized the obvious benefit he could have to the team.

While I don't disagree with his core argument, that Ellis could help this team, I do not think we A) have a shot at signing him or B) would want to sign him.  While listening to NFL Sirius Satellite Radio, I heard Ross Tucker (also of Sports Illustrated) argue that the Chiefs wouldn't be interested in Ellis largely because of his tendency to openly speak his mind.  It's not the "Patriot Way", Tucker said, making the reference to GM Scott Pioli.

Upon further review, Tucker's right.  Mike Vrabel and Zach Thomas, two other veteran linebackers signed this offseason, don't have near the track record of "openly speaking their mind" that Ellis does.

I did a little digging and found more than a few references to this tendency.  It appears it became an annual thing for him to complain about his contract, playing time or both.  Not to mention the stink he made when Bill Parcells came into town and switched him for defensive end to outside linebacker.

Here are a few comments and observations by not only Ellis but by many of those who covered him and the Cowboys.

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The Dallas Observer noted these annual complaints.

Ellis' public complaints about his role or his contract became a nuisance, even a distraction. His departure sends another positive message this off-season.

If his release is a positive in the Cowboys' locker room, do you think the Chiefs would take him?  I certainly don't.  

What about when the Cowboys drafted Anthony Spencer in the first round?

Seems poor-poor-pitiful Greg doesn't like that Anthony Spencer gets more snaps. Thinks he's mis-used, under-utilized and general prevented from being an All-Pro by the Cowboys' meanie coaching staff.

And another one.

The other day on 105.3 The Fan he was commencing his annual off-season bitch-fest. In recent years he's complained about his contract, the team's commitment, his position, his role and his everything other than the fact that he's been around forever and never won diddly-poo.

Or this one from a Cowboys blog.

Honestly, I am weary of hearing and reading about what a "good guy" Greg Ellis is, how he is a leader in the locker room, a team guy, a good soldier. The past three - four off-seasons have shown us a side of this guy that is annoying at best and destructive at worst.

Or when he told the media Roy Williams' concerns in the defense.

Roy told me in training camp, he said, ‘Greg this defense does not fit me. I don't fit in well with this defense at all. Obviously, it came to be true just like he said. He doesn't fit what's going on here in Dallas right now. Maybe this year, if they decide to keep him for this season Wade and them would kind of adjust some things to fit him better.

Isn't this something that should be kept in the locker room?  What about publicly complaining about the direction of the team under the head coach?

Ellis, a perennial pessimist, doesn't see drastic changes coming to Dallas. He pointed out that Wade Phillips would return, so the direction wouldn't change much.

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While his physical tools may help the Chiefs, we've learned this offseason that the mental tools are just as important when configuring this team.

When players of Greg Ellis' stature become available this late into free agency, we often see only the positives.  We'll allow ourselves to look past certain things, whether intentional or not, to make a case for a player because talent is a premium on the free agent market in June.

Ellis appears to have the tools to help this team in the short term but when other factors are considered, he probably isn't the right choice for the Chiefs in 2009.

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nice post

good to look at it in a different light .

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 8, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions  

Exactly

If not the biggest reason – we’re all ready crowded at LB. Why sign Ellis to play limited time (who could only be good for a few seasons at best) when it’s stealing time / roster spot from younger talent we have (i.e, McBride) who possibly could be real good for us for years to come. I said no from the beginning. Levi Jones would be a far better acquistion

by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll take me a Levi.

We’re set at LB for now. What we need are bodies on the o-line and at WR.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 8, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

you would rather have a in transition DE-OLB than a tried and proven OLB?

I have faith that Hali will become something in the 3-4 but would you really rather put the prime aspect of our pass rush into the hands of a player who’s switching positions this season over someone who has done it well for several seasons?

Personally I’d love an Ellis signing for one year. He could mentor Hali and McBride (seeing as Ellis transitioned from 4-3 DE to 3-4 OLB) and stay healthy in a solid rotation that shouldn’t have any problems staying with the flow should Ellis need a break.

However I get your crowded argument.. I want to believe Pierre Walters or Andy Studebaker will become the next James Harrison so I’d hate to see them get cut for Ellis…. sorta

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Jun 8, 2009 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not just crowded at LB.

If people among that crowd simply aren’t getting it done, Ellis looks pretty darn attractive.

Also, there’s a way of getting things done that tends to shut players up. The minute Moss went to a strong program with smart leadership, he played and talked like a pro.

I think the issue with Ellis is the rate of development of Hali and McBride. We’re optimistic about Hali, now, and aren’t hearing much about McBride. Hope BOTH of them play up to their potential, in which case there’s no need for Ellis.

Haley and Co. know Ellis a lot better than any of us. If they DID sign him, I’d feel pretty good about it working out, and Ellis not having a whole lot to complain about. Assuming they need an OLB, I think they’d make the right move with regard to an Ellis. The odds are that there will be no additional signing of OLBs, not because so many are trying out, but because among those, the Chiefs likely have the quality-in-depth they want.

by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

If they can play

Lots more to cover the other old LB’s when they get hurt later in the season. We are too thin there. Load up old dudes so we can compete this year and replace them as we build the team.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Jun 8, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Too thin at LB?

Based on the roster on the home page, we currently have 9 LB’s, and that doesn’t include guys making a switch to LB like Hali.

by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 8, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

ask the superbowl New England team

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Jun 8, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Worked for Atlana

they copy catted New England pretty hard last season and got somewhere with it

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Jun 8, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seems to me

They got a RB that put up 1,700 yards, which is not what NE does.

by Joel Thorman on Jun 8, 2009 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

this is true

I withdraw my argument

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Jun 8, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe that's what I like about AP.

It’s about the truth and not about winning arguments.

by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

And drafting Matt Ryan #3 overall isn't a NE thing

Nor is running a 4-3.

Atlanta has a former NE guy but they’re not the prototypical NE copycat in my opinion.

by Joel Thorman on Jun 8, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

We don’t need anymore diaper changes in this franchise. We have enough problems already.

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Jun 8, 2009 12:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Sign Him

We have a player who used to run his mouth a lot. Haven’t heart squat out of L.J. this spring. He is showing up, doing his work and keeping his mouth shut.

we also haven’t heard too much after Brian Waters threw his temper tantrum.

Don Pioli puts a severed horse ead in your bed and shuts you up.

I think if this guy came to the Chiefs, he wouldn’t be running his mouth.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Jun 8, 2009 12:11 PM CDT reply actions  

that's definitely concerning

considering Parcells is even more badass than Pioli and Haley COMBINED

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Jun 8, 2009 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was my line of thought.

I’m really cool either way. If we pick him up its because we need the help at OLB and Pioli thinks he can change/control Ellis.

Never hurts to have vet talent. The only thing that really holds me against it is that I want Hali to have a shot at OLB. It’s do or die this year (it really was last year too but what the hell. What’s one more chance)

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Jun 8, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He certainly bridled Randy Moss

But linebackers are a strange breed. That said if Thomas and Vrabel are with the program we suspect the LB core to be pretty lock step

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jun 8, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

you suppose those two could keep Ellis in line?

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Jun 8, 2009 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think so

The nice thing is that if he gets signed its because Pioli is confident he can control him.

Or our OLBs are horrible haha.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Jun 8, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that sums up my view.

I really should read everything before shootin’ off my mouth.

by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, how good was Dallas' LB core last season?

If we signed him we would have half of it. How much of their success was D. Ware? He’s the half we wont have. I didn’t watch many Dallas games but somthing kept them from achieving was it D or Owens or a little of both?

by fishhooks on Jun 8, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Zach Thomas wasn't well suited for the weak-side ILB.

But because Bradie James was a better Weak-side ILB, he had to play it. It depends on how yall use Zach, but I will say that he didn’t do anything special. I think his days of being special are behind him and he is still effective, but isn’t going to light anyone up.

by jdramirez on Jun 9, 2009 6:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man

dude looked old in 2006, I bet hasn’t gotten any younger in the past 3 years

by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions  

As a Cowboys fan....

Ellis was never comfortable with the way the team treated him. That’s not to say the team treated him poorly, but he felt he was being set up for failure, when Parcells switched him to LB, when the Cowboys drafted Spencer, when he was injured with the achilles injury and had an insurance policy that would be voided if he ever played again, and he wasn’t sure whether he was capable of returning.

Having said that, it was always something, and you expected it every summer. He’s a good locker room guy, and he’s still reasonably productive as a pass rusher, but he wasn’t as effective as Spencer was against the run, and the Cowboys wanted Spencer to take more of a role in that, and Ellis didn’t like that.

Say what you will, but there is still some tread on that tire, and depending upon who you have waiting in the wings, you would be well served bring him on as he will help the young guys develop, and he will be productive on the field. Just give him a one year contract so he knows where he stands.

by jdramirez on Jun 9, 2009 6:33 AM CDT reply actions  

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