Redshirt Stock Report
From the FanPosts -Primetime
Who's hot and who's not?
With our first mandatory Mini-Camp in the books, it is time to re-shuffle the deck and see where we are at with our new 3-4 defense. Let me first apologize to all the 4-3 Under advocates out there. It is obvious that we will run a lot of different looks with Pendergast in charge, but it is also true that we are learning and setting up in the base 3-4 in the Offseason Training Activities. I have updated an earlier version of our guesstimated depth chart using the 3-4, and moved some people who I thought would originally play another position, such as Turk McBride and Derrick Lokey. I also removed one of last season's 7th round draft picks because he was cut (new rule in Kansas City, come to camp in shape. Period.) I have no idea how close I got to the real thing, or if a depth chart even exists at so early a stage, but I find it interesting to speculate on it nonetheless. I have noted if someone's stock is on the rise, could go either way, or is on the decline. Feel free to Shout Out if you see it another way...
| ↓ | R. Price | ↓ | R. Price | |||||||
| ↔ | J. McGraw | ↔ | D. Morgan | |||||||
| ↑ | J. Page | ↑ | B. Pollard | |||||||
| Free Safety | Strong Safety | |||||||||
| ↔ | P. Walters | |||||||||
| ↑ | A. Studebaker | ↓ | C. Smith | ↔ | D. Robertson | |||||
| ↔ | T.McBride | ↓ | C. Mays | ↓ | J. Belcher | ↑ | M. Beisel | |||
| ↑ | T. Hali | ↔ | D. Williams | ↔ | W. Dacus | ↑ | M. Vrabel | |||
| OLB | ↑ | D. Johnson | ↔ | Z. Thomas | OLB | |||||
| ILB | ILB | |||||||||
| ↓ | J. Bates | ↓ | T. J. Jackson | ↔ | D. Gales | ↓ | L. Fryar | |||
| ↔ | R. Colclough | ↑ | B. Greenwood | ↑ | D. Lokey | ↔ | W. Gilberry | ↔ | D. Washington | |
| ↑ | M. Leggett | ↑ | A. Magee | ↓ | R. Edwards | ↑ | A. Boone | ↓ | T. Daniels | |
| ↑ | B. Carr | ↔ | G. Dorsey | ↑ | T. Tyler | ↑ | T. Jackson | ↑ | B. Flowers | |
| Cornerback | Def. End | Nose Tackle | Def. End | Cornerback | ||||||
The Safety position probably comes in with the least amount of controversy, as our returning starters should earn their spots and keep improving with more playing time. I feel like Page and Pollard are still acsending players with bright futures. Morgan is more of a question mark this early in his career, and McGraw is a better locker room presence and leader on special teams. UDFA Price will find it difficult to earn a spot. There has also been a "hint" of signing veteran Safety Mike Brown, and I say if you can upgrade your team in any way, go for it.
Can we really be deep at Cornerback? For one of the most critical positions on the football field, it is amazing that we seemingly have so much depth. With the "Big Three" of Flowers, Carr, and Leggett leading the way, this position group is set. I think a lot of us also have high hopes for physically gifted Donald Washington, who may find himself on the field a lot ,either as a nickel back or special teamer. But I will temper my expectations for this season since he has yet to participate in any offseason work. Coclough is a guy who has never realized his potential, and I don't see that changing much this season. Daniels will contribute mostly on special teams if he makes the 53, and our two UDFA will likely be gone by Sept 2.
The defensive line group is a bunch of guys who could play inside or outside, the trick is finding out which one they do best. It is pretty obvious to me why Pioli felt the need to spend the first two draft picks this year on guys who project as 3-4 defensive ends. How could you argue that Jackson and Magee's stock is not rising? These two look to play an important part of our defense this year. The biggest question mark is, and will continue to be, whether or not Dorsey can be an effective starter at the end position? That question will likely not be answered until the season starts. A lot of people wish we had drafted Raji with our #3 overall pick instead of Jackson because of the high value the 3-4 places on Nose Tackles. But I believe that Pioli knew exactly what he was doing, and Tank will be fine. Edwards is a big body that can be a decent back up at the nose, but at this point in his career I see him as descending. Boone might actually see some time here as well. It has been interesting to me that young guys like Greenwood and Lokey have been playing with the second team. It is definitlely too early to read anything into that, but I think it goes to show that there is opportunities to earn a roster spot for these young guys as they are getting a chance to prove themselves.
And finally the linebackers. We all should have seen the switch to the 3-4 defense coming as soon as we saw Pioli signing every able-bodied linebacker he could find. I really like the veteran signing of Zach Thomas, but at his age I don't think we should expect Patrick Willis like production, but we can expect Ray Lewis like leadership. Mike Vrabel has to been seen as huge upgrade, but once again we are looking at a guy in the twilight of his career. Luckily, we have Monte Beisel to back him up. Derrick Johnson has all the talent in the world, I will leave it at that. And the Tamba Hali Experiment (as he shall forever more be called) is fascinating to say the least. Along with converted defensive end Turk McBride, he will be trying hard to learn to play in space. I have to say that it doesn't make me feel great that Demorrio Williams and Wes Dacus are the back up ILBs. These two could not find much playing time last year, even as bad as our LB unit was, so I have to question our depth. Robertson, Studebaker, and Walters could all make a name for themselves in training camp. I am really looking forward to seeing those training camp battles for sure.
It wasn't a huge surprise to me that the defense appears to be off to a better start this off season, as it is usually easier for the defense to be aggresive early in the season as the offense works on their timing and continuity. But considering that last season our Defense was ranked 31st in the league, I will take what I can get. I also noticed that we currently have only one rookie starter in Jackson, so this defense cannot use youth as an excuse. I am excited to see all the "Ups" on this defense, but it is too early to say how good this unit can really be. It usually does not help to be in the first year of changing systems, coaches, etc. Any improvement over our #31 rank will be considered a success, but something tells me that is not what this unit is shooting for. Zach didn't sign with us because he thought we "might" be ok, and Vrabel has too much championship experience for some of it not to rub off. If you look at all the high draft picks that we have playing along the line, you would think this is a top ten defense. Well, just maybe, it is time to start playing like one.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Thanks for the Chart
Agreed it might be hard to tell currently if the Chiefs even have a Depth Chart :)
Maybe Chris and Prime can send our Spy er I mean Photographer over to 1 Arrowhead and search for one. Ha
But the weakside seems sorta suspect as charted. Maybe Pioli noticed that too and will be working the phones this week now that mandatory OTA’s are done.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I am still a little shakey where to put some people
And the weakside is a big question mark. If Tamba doesn’t work out, might we see Robertson or even Beisel come over and play that LB position?
But the biggest thing I hope we will see improved upon this season is our tackling. Our run defense was atrocious at times last season. I hope they work the fundamentals just like they have worked the conditioning on these guys.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or Ellis?
Still not a thumbs-up on the Hali Experiment, but keep an eye peeled for OLB moves in the future. Still very questionable, until proven otherwise. Same for ILB, like you say. But I’m pretty optimistic, there, that talent, plus a scheme that WANTS them to pin their ears back is going to play to DJ and DW’s strengths. Still more questions than answers about DW at SILB when Thomas takes a breather. SOME depth charts actually show Vrabel behind Thomas at SILB, which role he MIGHT end up having to take on, in spots, if DW isn’t up to the challenge.
by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that they may not be done finding players
Hali playing full time OLB scares me a little bit. Not that he can’t do it, just that it is such a huge transition, and he doesn’t exactly blow the world away at his old one.
Surprising to hear you say Vrabel might be a back up. He may not play every down, but I would guess he will start at LOLB.
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many new linebackers are they supposed to bring in?
The Chiefs are done bringing in new backers, IMO. They’ve entirely revamped the position. Williams, Johnson, and Dacus are the ONLY holdovers. If they bring in somebody else, all they’ll be doing is throwing out what they brought in.
by Dagda on Jun 8, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking that Ellis is a strong possibility
and would be a good fit. But it would probably push Tamb out of a starter’s role. Not sure?
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just sharing what I saw on another depth chart.
Not even sure whose depth chart it was. I was surprised, myself, to see Vrabel penciled-in, there. I think Vrabel played that inside spot numerous times, as needed, in his career. Reasoning from that assumption, it made sense to me to think of Thomas and Vrabel as a tag-team, running the huddle, and doing most of the reading-and-reacting amongst a group of young LBs with simpler descriptions. It made sense to think SILB would be the anchor of the defense, and the Chiefs were making sure they had veteran depth at that key spot.
I’d hazard to say that more thought went into your chart, Q. For all I can remember, the chart I looked at may’ve had Aaron Curry already penciled-in at ROLB. Heh. Pretty sure it was by or before April, and your chart fits the known facts pretty well. One thing that’s not perfectly current in your chart is Alphonso Boone being on the up-tick after minicamp.
by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was truly hoping that this post would generate good discussion
on where the guys are playing at, and how they are playing. I get all my info from AP, so if it is wrong….just saying. :)
It does sound like Boone is showing well so far. I will change him to a “up”.
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very jealous of your table making abilities
I noticed your Studebaker > McBride ranking. Any particular reason? Not that I know anything different, I just don’t know a whole lot about Studebaker.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 7, 2009 10:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Believe it or not, I am very interested in learning HTML
I read that Studebaker was playing with the second team, and McBride was struggling a little bit to learn playing LB, so I decided to put Studebaker up there. I have always liked Turk, and think he will find a way to contribute to this team either at LB or DE. But great question. I think that LB position is as wide open a competition as any. Should be great!
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It shows
I will probably steal your table at some point.
I can see that happening with the “it doesn’t matter where you were drafted” part.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 7, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am also learning that it is much easier to "steal" code
than to write HTML! I might steal one of yours or Chris’ (don’t tell him!) excellent tables! I just wish there was a way to “jazz” them up a bit…
You got to love that fact. Just the idea that anybody has a chance to start should make the whole team that much better. I don’t think it is lost on the roster that Haley had Warner starting over their high drafted, big money QB in Leinart.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Studebaker was 2nd only because McBride is rehabbing
It’s only because of injury that Studebaker is ahead of McBride.
by Dagda on Jun 8, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have already updated the depth chart to reflect that
If Studebaker beats out McBride (who has been in the league for 3 seasons now), then I am buying an Edsel. :)
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it again
this is a great post, mon
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heart The Q. Rec'd!
I believe that makes it Q = 2, TC = Incomplete
In all sincerity, excellent post Q.
I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.
by DThomasReigns on Jun 7, 2009 10:31 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, Texas Chief,
we need you to throw down some sweet FanPost awesomesauce to contend with TheQ.
I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.
by DThomasReigns on Jun 7, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Buddy.
I am sure that TC will have some serious critics upcoming since this is a “Defense” biased post. I will await my tongue lashing! : )
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your post was wonderful, Q.
I am trying to encourage TC to do more FanPosts. You both are great…and I think both of you have excellent thoughts to share, especially during the slow news period we are in.
I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.
by DThomasReigns on Jun 7, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, is anybody else as bored as me?
I cannot wait for the season to start. If we were to sign somebody right now, anybody at all, we would all talk about it for 2 weeks!
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am too. I have pretty much checked out since the draft.
I read most of everything, but it is difficult for me to have enough of an opinion to comment. Surprisingly, we have had one of the most active offseasons in 20 years, yet it seems horrendously protracted.
It isn’t just the secrecy, I think it is the anticipation that is making it feel so much different.
I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.
by DThomasReigns on Jun 7, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It has been tough this offseason for sure.
It is interesting how much more involved this offseason I am compared to past years, all because of AP. I used to just play a ton of Madden to pass the offseason, or go fishing, but now I can be engrossed in thinking football 24/7/365. But the new regime is making it difficult to get much news on the Chiefs. So it does seem a little protracted.
It is almost melancholy.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like there's as much content as ever, perhaps even more than in the past.
Maybe we just feel it more urgently than in recent seasons, when interest was at a low ebb.
by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The losing does have an effect
We are all waiting for the dam to break. I cannot wait for the winning ways to come back.
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do hope that all the excitement and anticipation
we Chiefs fans have of coming things translates to the players as well.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Jun 7, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As charted
It would sure look more formidable a front in a 5-2 alignment
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 10:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want to make sure that everyone knows I am just guessing as to where
all the players will be. It is completely open to interpretation, and I would love to hear where we differ. When I went to look back at my first depth chart, I was so wrong even on some of the positions that I had people listed at. But that is what is so cool about this part of the season. It is like a puzzle that is impossible to solve. Always changing.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
McBride on running plays and Hali in pass Situations
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 10:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Again it just seems with all the high round picks on the Line
that in a true 3-4 we have 4 legitimate starters an 2 of those are rookies.
Absolutely no proven depth at 3-4 ends and NT. and TC would say we have 0 proven 3-4 lineman I imagine.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
True
Dorsey and Jackson are top 5 picks and Tank is a highly rated 3rd rounder. But our 1st round DE pick, Tamba, has been forced to move to OLB along with 2nd round pick McBride. That is a lot of high picks, and a couple of them are questionable as to whether or not they will even start?
And our depth is really questionable along the front seven. Clancy has his work cut out for him.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Tables. Rec'd.
I’d like to see one more “old guy” in there to help Thomas, Vrabel, and Beisel teach the young guys.
by JComp11 on Jun 7, 2009 10:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is his name Ellis or Peppers?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking Ellis
I would personally like us signing Ellis. Our problem then would be getting some of this high priced talent on the field. And do ALL these pieces really fit?
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do all the pieces we have now really fit?
If you wait, you have wasted all the time that you had to prepare and the board has changed
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
At some point you have to dance with who brung ya
If this is who we have, then this is who we have. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see us get at least a couple more key pieces that are not currently on the roster.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I think we’re looking pretty solid on D at this point. If we add a couple more pieces it will be in the “leadership” category, like I mentioned earlier. It’s time to let the kids loose with the veteran presence they’ve needed for the last two years and see what they can do.
by JComp11 on Jun 8, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doubt in my mind that we were a little "too" young last year
and we didn’t seem to have any vocal leaders. That will not be the case this season. But we still need some of the young guys to step up. I am tired of waiting for guys to “get it”. Impatient….absolutely!
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another few pieces would be good
I think it will come when teams have to get down to their 53 man rooster, sometimes some good players are let go.
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 8, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
a lot of teams that have deeper rosters than ours (Pats, Steelers, Giants, Ravens) will have to get down to the 53 and maybe we can snag a guy who would be an upgrade then.
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, bbg.
There will be some flurries of activity to come. And at some point, I expect the Chiefs to show some aggression in FA. With Edwards coolin’ his heels, and Lokey runnin’ with the #2s, last I heard, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a NT come in, at some point. But as the OTAs pile up, there’s a team chemistry developing, and some of these guys WILL make the roster. Be interesting to see who, and who shows up on the wire from other teams.
by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lokey is only 'runnin' with the #2s' because Edwards is dinged
Once Edwards returns, Lokey is done. I like Lokey very much, but he is the most out-of-place d-lineman on the squad. No way he can hold up at NT.
by Dagda on Jun 8, 2009 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cassel deal shows Pioli's not afraid to get after it if he thinks he needs it.
And they’re deeply into player evaluations. This time of year is one of the hallmarks of Pioli’s success. Every year is different, and that guy that looks good on paper might not be getting it done in OTAs or training camp. Pioli talks about these late moves as some of the most important. Every year is different, and last year’s pro-bowler might have hit the wall, or spend the offseason fighting nicks and sprains.
by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great job, Q
Lots of work here. I know that it is a guesstimate on some of this, but this puzzle will be solved. I think Texas Chief could help out in putting some pieces in this puzzle together a little more.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on Jun 7, 2009 10:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to start something
But, this D would look much better as a 4-3.
McBride Dorsey Tyler Jackson as 1st team front
Hali Magee Reed Boone as 2nd team front
Johnson Thomas Vrabel as 1st team LB’s
Studebaker Williams Beisel as 2nd team LB’s
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree........
I also think our d-fense would be better if we stayed with the 4-3. IMO this team is just a couple of young LB’S away from being i very good group! Look at that front 4, man that like 1300 frickin pounds here baby!
by CPT.Caveman on Jun 8, 2009 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heard that arguement for the last 5 years.
The D is only “a couple of players away” argument, that is.
by JComp11 on Jun 8, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have a squad that would play pretty well in a 4-3.
…which is why we will probably see multiple 4-3 fronts this season.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Jun 9, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeppers. I have to agree on that.
Square pegs into round holes.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 7, 2009 11:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the 4-3 vs. the 3-4 argument is valid
but a little overated. I am sure that they will utilize the players we have the best they can. Somewhat like Chan did with our offense last year.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think we need to just call it the “Dagda D” and hope it is Very good in 2009 :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Ricky Jean Francois go in the 7th?
I really liked the way that guy looked.. Anyways excellent post these charts are way entertaining. How many of you expect to see anything out of Travis Daniels in the future?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Jun 7, 2009 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the Chiefs should probably keep 6 CB's on roster
2 starters, a nickel, and at least 2 backups with the possibility of 1 practice squad spot
Fryar, Bates, Colclough, and Daniels should be competing for 1 of 2 spots.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 7, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would bet on Daniels
he is supposed to be a pretty good special teams player.
Although, wouldn’t it be cool to have Irving Fryar’s kid on the squad?
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless one's a returner, don't expect to see them carry more than 5
Where would you cut? If they keep 24 on defense, with 6 playng D-line and 9 at LB, 4 at S, that leaves 5 corners. Maybe you go a bit thin at LB?
by Dagda on Jun 8, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally forgot about that guy
Perhaps they thought it would look funny if we just kept drafting LSU lineman?
I know Daniels is an experienced NFL guy, who might be ready to take the next step up to starter, but then again I thought the same thing about Devard Darling!
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd still take Francois over O'Connell
then again I’m working for four dollars over minimum wage trying to save up for my next semester so I’ll trust Pioli and Haley
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Jun 8, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Daniels
will make the team. So we should have an opportunity to him see him forseeably every Sunday
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Q can you explain what the arrows mean?
I’m sure it is obvious and I am over looking something
Thanks
by ravenhawk on Jun 7, 2009 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
shot in the dark
but I think it’s each players stock
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Jun 7, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure thing.
I have noted if someone’s stock is on the rise, could go either way, or is on the decline.
.
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
or
The arrow points up if the player’s stock is high or on the rise. Down if he is a decending player or is unlikely to make much of a contribution, or sideways if it could go up or down. That was just my quick take impression of each player. Some I am hoping will change their status to “up” in the coming weeks
by TheQ on Jun 7, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been staring at
Molecular orbital diagrams every day until my eyes fall out. That is what the whole table looks like to me. The arrows seal the deal.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
by soybon on Jun 9, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I just saw this comment...
If I knew what a molecular orbital diagram was, I could sympathize. :)
by TheQ on Jun 9, 2009 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope
that the Haley coaching staff switches both McGraw & Morgan back to their true positions (SS & FS respectively). McGraw is a much better at tackling and assisting in rush defense whereas Morgans talents are ideally suited for the FS position.
It seems as though Colclough is getting a lot of attention early. As it stands now I expect him to make the team (which I didn’t expect to be the case earlier)
I don’t think you should be concerned about DeMorrio playing ILB at all. Beisel also has the flexibility to play inside so between the two we have vetern depth. DeMorrio had flashes last season plus he has the speed to cover from sideline to sideline. I think we’re pretty set at LB
I predict Dacus will lose his job for a roster spot for either Corey Mays, D-Rob or one of the UDFA’s
It would be cool if Irving Fryar’s kid showed up
I don’t expect Boone to ever line up as a left end
I think we should keep 8 LB’s, 10 DB’S (6 CB’s & 4 S’s), and what…7 linemen? That would give us 25 men on the defensive side of the ball. Add the punter & kicker and we’re at 27. You should do an offensive depth chart also and together we’d be able to deduce who’s gonna make final cuts
Good post, Q
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 12:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Colclough
I would definitely say his stock is rising (at least by Gretz reports)
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome comment KCS
Thanks for the feedback on some of these players/ positions. I would haven never even thought about switching McGraw and Morgan, but that makes perfect sense.
I did read that Coclough has flashed some, but I am trying to keep everything in perspective. Last year I read Gretz’ training camp updates and found myself pulling for guys that will probably always be PS guys. As fans I think we are always looking for a diamond in the rough.
Demorrio is one guy I kept wondering why he wasn’t getting more playing time last year? I was at the Denver home game, where he actually played really well, along with DJ. I could never figure out why he didn’t start after that? Gunther didn’t care for him perhaps?
I agree about Dacus. Robertson and Mays are two guys that Pioli signed early on, so there must be something there.
Irving Fryar. That makes me feel old…
Could have sworn I heard that Boone was backing up the LDE. But if Edwards doesn’t bring it, I think he could play the NT.
I will try to work on the Offense sometime. Too bad Pierre hasn’t checked in lately to let us know how things are going. Do you think Pioli’s people got a hold of him and put the gag order on him?
And Thanks KCS. Have a great night!
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
Colclough will make the team based off his special teams capabilities rather than his coverage skills as a corner
Yes, DeMorrio got into Gun’s doghouse last year. That home game would have been the best game to attend last year as Larry tore it up and DJ had that nice pick. Not to mention it was our only win at home!
I’d like to read where they had Boone @ LDE. I figured Magee will be the swing tackle being the first sub in for both Dorsey & Jackson and that Boone would be the reserve RDE. Gillbery or Greenwood would be the other.
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 1:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you go 25 on D, then you have to lose one at RB or WR
or maybe O-line. It’s almost certain the Chiefs will keep 4 RBs. I’d also bet they keep 5 wideouts. Maybe they go with only 2 TEs, or only 9 O-linemen, but both would be contrary to most teams.
Whether they go 25 on D and 25 on O or 24 on D and 26 on O will almost certainly come down to where the better special teamer is.
by Dagda on Jun 8, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll drop a linemen
Taylor & Smith (presuming either make the team) can play multiple positions
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 8, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didnt have time to read all these...sorry if this was stated already...
Turk should be ahead of Studebaker.
by woodman212 on Jun 8, 2009 1:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you're right
I will try to change that…
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...also should have said...
Awesome job with this, Q…
by woodman212 on Jun 8, 2009 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Woodman
Just representing the 417! :)
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Londen Fryar
most likely has been at the OTA’s, as far as I can tell he may have graduated in April (?). They have said that everyone with one exception has been here at the OTA. Like most of the UDFA’s, they have not been mentioned in the press.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
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by oldchiefsfan on Jun 8, 2009 1:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Belcher
I got the impression his stock was going up… weren’t there some comments about him making a couple of plays in the mini-camp reports?
by stagdsp on Jun 8, 2009 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Belcher might be good
but I was weighing out that fact that there is so many guys at LB that probably have an upper hand at making the roster based on experience, knowledge, etc. It is really hard to make the roster as an UDFA. We will be lucky to have one or two guys make the 53 this way. But if Belcher plays good, all the better. It will push the guys ahead of him, and that is what we want, competition.
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Haley was saying he
made some plays on special teams, and has a good chance at making the roster.
But, who knows at this point?
by stagdsp on Jun 8, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the possibilities of the defense
we wont be a top 5 but if we can get close to a top 20 would be a huge improvement, for their first year.
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 8, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I am trying to be reasonable
but I hope we can see that kind of improvement as well! That would be awesome!
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a post that might make you feel even better
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 8, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice article, BAMF.
I think it might be that the Chiefs, in their efforts to stock the 4-3 under Peterson, actually put ‘em closer to a 3-4 you can feel good about, rather than reaching and praying for Mr. Goodbar at DE. They made DE a working man’s position, and are now deeper in widebodies for the 3-4 than they ever were for the 4-3. And assuming they get some solid play from Hali and McBride, they’re a lot bigger and deeper at LB than they were.
I don’t know about overall rankings. Some of that will depend on how much help they can get from the offense, but I’m expecting they’ll break into the top half on D, and the team will break .500 on the season.
by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also with it being a brand new defense there will not be much tape on us this year. All of the different blitz packages/covers with each different combo will be hard for an opposing OC to get a handle on during game time.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 8, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards and Boone
would both go above Tank in my opinion, unless he is truly in better shape like they are reporting the whole team is, however, I feel they will all three get somewhat equal playing time this year. This is going to be an interesting year for us Chiefs fans, but man am I excited!
My best friend is a Detroit fan so we are both giddy over our offseason upgrades and are speculating on having a Chief v. Lions Superbowl in 2011 ;-) I guess we’ll see!
-Robbie
by Chiefsfan2012 on Jun 8, 2009 11:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It could happen!
But I still think Tank gets the nod. If he bulks up, I think he can be a good Nose.
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear god, the Chiefs v Lions in the 2012 Super Bowl?
Maybe the Mayans were right about the end of the world in 2012? :)
I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
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by DThomasReigns on Jun 8, 2009 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a question...
Wouldn’t P. Walters be placed more in the ROLB spot? Be more of a pure pass rusher especially with his weight/played DE.
First post, been browsing this site for a little while now, and it’s a great site.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 8, 2009 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome BAMFSpecialOps
Great point. Walters might be a better fit over on the right side. I think a lot of these LB positions could see different guys tried at multiple positions. I really hope Walters makes the squad! AP Pride all the way!
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
I’m with you hoping for Walters to make the team, and when he gets a shot makes his mark. Haven’t heard much about him other than his brief time on here and one other mention.
by BAMFSpecialOps on Jun 8, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Hard to not root for a guy that takes time to talk to the fans.
by TheQ on Jun 8, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agrees with my sense, BAMF.
Starting to look like McBride makes a run at LOLB, or maybe becomes a utility DE. The more reps he misses during a time of transition, the more the stock on guys like Walters rises.
by hmills110 on Jun 8, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice bookend reports
But I had to recheck this post as I noticed you gave Croyle a " t "on position.
Is that a “Pray for him” or “RIP”?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 9, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is the injured cross!
Thanks for noticing. I thought it was quite fitting for him…
by TheQ on Jun 9, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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