Brian Waters and Mike Vrabel Report for Chiefs Minicamp
by Chris Thorman on Jun 5, 2009 10:51 AM CDT
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As expected, much of this drama surrounding Brian Waters, and to a certain degree Mike Vrabel, was for nothing. From the venerable Kent Babb:
After missing all of the previous offseason workouts, guard Brian Waters and linebacker Mike Vrabel arrived today for the first day of the Chiefs' mandatory minicamp.
Waters and Vrabel would have been levied a $9,079 fine for missing minicamp. The NFL's Collective Bargaining Agreement is not clear if that is a lump sum fine or a daily fine.
Every player but rookie CB Donald Washington should be in camp right now. Washington cannot attend any Chiefs' practices until he graduates from Ohio St. University this month.
Plenty of drama for nothing. Welcome to the off season, in case you hadn't noticed. The Chiefs' mandatory minicamp runs through this weekend. Next week, the team will conduct more OTAs.
Check back in a bit for the inevitable Todd Haley press conference and video. We'll post it ASAP.
Click through to see a time line of the good, the bad and the ugly of the Brian Waters drama dating back to December 2008.
Things We Can Hopefully Agree Upon - Arrowhead Pride
[December 10th, 2008] Regarding the state of our offensive line back then, Chris said it best.
"Frankly, get rid of everyone but Brian Waters and Branden Albert."
2008 Chiefs Pro Bowlers: Who Got Snubbed? - Arrowhead Pride
[December 16th, 2008] Brian Waters is awarded his 4th Pro Bowl appearance. He and Tony Gonzalez are the only 2008 Chiefs to garner the honor.
"Surprisingly, the Chiefs rushing offense splits their time evenly rushing to the left and right side. They are successful running to the right end, gaining 5.67 yards per carry which is good for 6th in the NFL. Do you think Waters' pulling to that side has anything to do with that statistic?"
Brian Waters is a Blessing to the Kansas City Community - Arrowhead Pride
[January 12th, 2009] My how times have changed...
"Thanks to Brian Waters countless kids will have a Thanksgiving dinner, go to college for free, receive Christmas gifts or be given a helping hand from an NFL player. "Coming from someone who has grown up and still lives in the Kansas City community, thank you Brian Waters."
Where We Stand: The Kansas City Chiefs Offensive Line - Arrowhead Pride
Brian Waters started all 16 games for the Chiefs in 2008. He and Brandon Albert were the only pleasing parts of the line.
Chiefs' Brian Waters Asks to be Moved; Offended by Haley's "Arrogance" - Arrowhead Pride
[February 27th, 2009] The big one...
"Kansas City Chiefs All Pro G Brian Waters asked to be traded or released following Scott Pioli's refusal to meet with the veteran regarding his future with the team."
Report: Bills Interested in Trading for Chiefs OG Brian Waters - Arrowhead Pride
[March 1st, 2009] Reports surface that the Buffalo Bills may be interested in trading for Waters but nothing was ever confirmed. Waters acting as his own agent may represent a liability in his ability to get a trade done.
Todd Haley: Tyler Thigpen Will Compete for the Starting QB Job - Arrowhead Pride
[March 2nd, 2008] Head coach Todd Haley is asked about Brian Waters and for the first (but certainly not last) time he declines to speak about it.
Former Chargers Guard Mike Goff Visits Chiefs - Arrowhead Pride
[March 17th, 2009] Reports surfaced that the Chiefs were hosting Mike Goff, formerly of the San Diego Chargers. At the time, we wondered if his visit had anything to do with Waters' unhappiness in Kansas City.
Clark Hunt Says the Chiefs will Keep Tony Gonzalez; Not Sure on Larry Johnson and Brian Waters - Arrowhead Pride
[March 24th, 2009] Clark Hunt said no decision had been made on Brian Waters' future. Again, Chris sums it up nicely.
"Boom. Sit down Brian Waters. Time to change your diapers. This ain't your old Chiefs team anymore. I don't care about the new staff being too harsh or too inconsiderate. Winning is the bottom line. Not making friends."
Who Will Show Up to the Chiefs Offseason Program Today? - Arrowhead Pride
[March 30th, 2009] The first day of the Chiefs offseason program left us wondering whether Waters would show up, much like today.
"Is Waters over his issues with management? Did the Cassel trade help quell any questions about the Chiefs commitment to winning? Does Waters still want a trade?"
Gonzalez, Waters Missing from the Chiefs Morning Practice - Arrowhead Pride
[April 18th, 2009] Waters doesn't show for another voluntary mini-camp. We see a possible glimmer of the future when Wade Smith lines up in his spot.
"Sometimes, not attending these sessions is a way of telling management that they're unhappy with something. This is likely the case with Waters. He's not a fringe roster guy so it's not like he needs to be there to state his case to make the team (like 90% of the other players on the team)."
[May 18th, 2009] A statistical look at the 2008 Chiefs offensive line shows Brian Waters ranked 6th in sacks allowed compared to all other AFC guards.
[May 24th, 2009] Waters misses another set of voluntary mini-camps.
[May 24th, 2009] A ranking of NFL players by position puts Waters as the 3rd best guard in the NFL.
[May 30th, 2009] "He’s a year older and maybe weighing all of his options. I support him. In my mind, I think he’ll be back. I’m sure he’ll show up when he’s ready. He’s still got it. If he didn’t, he wouldn’t have played the way he did last year and he wouldn’t have gone to the Pro Bowl."
[June 4th, 2009] Will he show?
[June 4th, 2009] Funny caption this from Chris:
[June 4th, 2009] My prediction on what will happen...
Word is that Brian Waters is in Kansas City - Arrowhead Pride
[June 4th, 2009] And he's in the building...
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<3 Brian Waters
Welcome home BW! Now we’re a little bit better then we were yesterday.
by GenericBrand on Jun 5, 2009 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thats it!
Screw Waters! I knew he wouldn’t show up and now, as far as I am concerned he can go straigh to hell with a stick up his…
oh wait…
he showed up! Sweet. Now get to work BW!
But now you know how mad I would have been.
Mr. Vrabel. Welcome. Sack someone.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 11:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Awesome.
Haley knew they would be there. Either the situation was never as bad as everyone thought/speculated or Waters just sucked it up to play some football.
Either way all is forgotten.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 5, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh also.
It’s amazing how this organization just stamps OUT any rumors and drama that comes its way. Whatever actually happened we are pretty sure Waters was upset and we are positive that Pioli kept everything from being a distraction and fiasco.
Come day 1, I really hope I like the team as much as I’m liking the front office right now.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 5, 2009 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having a text problem
Which we are fixing right now.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 5, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Haley had just finished off a line and was easily agitated.
Once the situation was explained Waters was understanding. Cocaine is one hell of a drug.
by rustdog on Jun 5, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And on the fines
Every place seems to be reporting a fine of $8,000 if a player misses minicamp. The actual number is $9,079, which I got straight from the NFL’s office this morning.
by Chris Thorman on Jun 5, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sales tax
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
by sir eccles on Jun 5, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha, actually no
It’s a formula based on some annual revenue growth I believe.
The $8,000 is from 2006 and is totally outdated.
by Chris Thorman on Jun 5, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Waters Wasn't Going To Show
but when he woke up this morning there was a severed horse head in his bed…
He was the first one there.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Can you imagien Waters waking up and finding a horse head in his bed. I thought about what he might be like and Ihave been laughing for 5 minutes.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The don gets what the don wants.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 5, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Throw it in the smoker!
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 5, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You think
waters has some XXXL PJ’s like that?
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
but in red
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 5, 2009 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whitlock
has PJ’s with chicken wings on them.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For now
keeping with the vagueness of waters
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 5, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One small step for Waters
one giant leap for the Chiefs
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 5, 2009 11:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
knew he would show
Bottom line, he’s got a contract and a job to do.
He’ll get on board, if he’s not already.
Albert-Waters-Niswanger-Goff and ?
PLEASE let Sackintosh get hurt or beat out in OTAs, so the Chiefs can insert the RT of the future (whoever that is)
by stagdsp on Jun 5, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I could block better than Sackintosh!
Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations
by carthagechief on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I wish we would have been able to nab a RT better than McSack…even if it wasnt in the draft…there has to be someone better. The guy is so slow the dfenders blow right by him. At least someone who is younger can fling themselves in front of the rusher and at least slow him down.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Devils advocate here...
I agree that we can do better at the RT position that D-Mac but, he didn’t play that bad towards the end of the year. I am NOT saying he is great but he improved alot after being moved from his natural position.
I would like to see Richardson and Taylor fighting it out for the RT popsition and use Mcintosh as a backup LT.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 5, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did he improve?
Or did Bones and his fast wheels make it look like he improved? It would be interesting to see if Bones rolled out more behind Albet or McSack.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin Brown might just be a blob
but he has to be better than the human turnstile.
Welcome home Mr. Waters.
by ravenhawk on Jun 5, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haley did say Brown would compete for a starting job...
by tomahawk44 on Jun 5, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has he directly stated this...
because I know he has indirectly stated that with every player.
by ravenhawk on Jun 5, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this was haleys statment in a Q&A
Q: Do you see Colin Brown as a project seeing that he played in the spread offense in college?
HALEY: "That’s always the big thing and we’re having to deal with it more and more with the way college is going with so much spread. There are some guys you know you’re going to be raw in some areas: the kid from Baylor was the same way, Jason Smith.
"But Colin Brown is like anybody else: it’s a level playing field and everybody is competing. I’m not looking at him as a developmental or anything right now. He’s big. I’ve been kind of impressed by the way he moves around and carries himself. He’s competing for a starting spot."
by tomahawk44 on Jun 5, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Haleys reply to Waters question at press conference should sound something like....
“NO DOUBT that we’re glad he’s here. AGAIN, ITS EARLY and WELLLLL we have alot of work to do.”
by GenericBrand on Jun 5, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Now we are talking. With every day that goes by - playoffs sound more realistic and maybe SB !
by ALR on Jun 5, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
superbowl?
Can’t tell if you’re joking or just an award winning optimist
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 5, 2009 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cards played in weak division, barely made the playoffs and somehow made it to the SB
Chiefs – play in a weak division (at least at the moment), once we get … you never now
by ALR on Jun 5, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ALR is right
I’ve written about it. The Cards won all their division games and 3 more and, if someone could have frikin shoved James Harrison out of bounds at the end of the half, they would have won the Super Bowl.
The more I watch football the more I am convinced that the most talented team doesn’t always win. The NY Giants are a fantastic team but they were average until they turned the corner in their loss to the Pats before the playoffs. The game eveyone said they should rest their starters.
The Cards didn’t get hot till the playoffs when it mattered.
You need a good, soilid, consistant team to get to the playoffs…onceyou get their…you just have to get hot and win 3 or 4 games.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 5, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not saying it's impossible
By any means. I wouldn’t be surprised at a play off birth.
But you can’t tell me your being anything but overly optimistic when you hope for a team to go from 2-14 to a superbowl appearance based on the acquisition of some LBS, an up in the air QB, a rookie DE, a whole new coaching staff and GM, and loosing TG.
I’m all for wanting the chiefs to win, but the only reason you are even considering a SB appearance is because you’re a fan. That’s cool but it falls under the category of optimism, not reality.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 5, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One game at a time fellas.
We a helluva tough schedule this year.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 5, 2009 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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