Will Brian Waters Show Up for the Chiefs Mandatory Mini-Camp Tomorrow?
by Chris Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 6:57 AM CDT
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Starting tomorrow, the Kansas City Chiefs will hold their first mandatory mini-camp of the off season. Up to this point, every player but three has reported to the mini-camps and off season training activities. Those three are Brian Waters, Mike Vrabel and rookie CB Donald Washington.
Washington can't report for camp until he graduates from Ohio St. University (NFL rule). Primetime speculated on the reasons for Vrabel's absence back in May. Vrabel's absence doesn't seem to be because of any money or personal conflict issues. He's just an old veteran who would prefer not to go through what he probably feels are unnecessary workouts for him.
That leaves Mr. Brian Waters. The Chiefs' NFLPA representative. Former United Way spokesman. And all around fantastic guy.
To bring you up to speed, back in February Brian Waters tried to meet with Todd Haley and Scott Pioli, who were at the time almost brand new to the organization. Waters was rebuffed entirely by Scott Pioli but did meet with Todd Haley. Waters was not pleased with his encounter.
Waters, according to the source, was offended and shocked by the arrogance of Haley and Pioli. Waters’ meeting with Haley and follow-up phone conversations confirmed in the nine-year vet’s mind that the negative reports about Haley that he heard from Arizona Cardinals players while at the Pro Bowl were accurate, according to the source.
So Brian Waters is apparently pissed. He was rumored to have requested a trade, a request that Todd Haley rejected.
On the eve of the first mandatory mini-camp of the off season, let's go on record. Do you think that Brian Waters will show up for camp tomorrow?
I think there is a distinct possibility that he does. If Waters shows up tomorrow, pretty much everything falls back into place for the veteran. He gets away with not showing up to the voluntary workouts with no problem. The tiff with him and Todd Haley will be forgotten once the season starts. There is no doubt he'll be starting on the left side of the offensive line.
If he doesn't show, well, that hurts big time. You can argue that the addition of versatile o-lineman Mike Goff was the move to insure against a Brian Waters' departure. The Chiefs signed Goff about a month after the reported tiff between Waters and Haley. At least Waters still has his things in his locker, according to Kent Babb.
Let us know what you think. Vote in the poll below.
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Wow
Thirteen votes in and 12 Yes votes. I didn’t think it was that definitive.
by Chris Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 7:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He'll be there
He’s a consummate professional, and I think he’ll put this behind him and get to work
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 4, 2009 7:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think so too
He can come tomorrow and pretty much all will be forgotten.
by Chris Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 7:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How many times did Roaf and Shields not attend voluntary OTA's?
The only difference here is the tiff between Waters and Pioli/Haley, which may have been a molehill the media turned into a mountain.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re unrelated – Waters might not have come to the voluntary stuff even if he hadn’t been put in his place by the new staff.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 4, 2009 7:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
The funny thing about all of this is that we don’t really know what happened between Haley and Waters.
Here is one point to make – Wouldn’t Waters want to get off on the right foot by coming to the voluntary camps?
by Chris Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 7:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well we know we got the worst end of that story
There are ALWAYS two sides to every story and so far we’ve only got Waters’ version (and he’s still being perceived as a whiner).
by Joel Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 7:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it wasn't a problem
Waters has been outspoken enough in the past to speak to the media.
He’s said nothing this time.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not much of a choice
I voted yes. He’ll be unhappy and maybe not talk to the media, but he’ll be there. But, the next question is will he work out? I could totally see him showing up then not participating because of a “twisted ankle” or something like that. That’s what Boldin and Dockett did in Arizona.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 7:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think he will be there. He has NO leverage in this. He is under contract with the Chiefs.
If he does not show, i don’t think Pioli is going to give him any options other than retirement. if he plays, he will play as a Chief. Unless we could trade him to another team for an equally good O-lineman, I doubt he will have any option other than retirement.
He and management really need to work this out. It seems to me that there is a severe lack of communication in this case and someone needs to step up and make it right. It seems very similar to the McDaniels/Cutler fiasco and we all know how that turned out.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 4, 2009 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, could see him showing up but not workin out
Ouch.
by JBChiefs on Jun 4, 2009 8:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
STILL only Twitlocks word
Sure they may be buds and Whitlock got an inside scoop, but I can’t believe there would be utter silence after that if it was really a big deal. And the side I still haven’t heard is WTF Waters was thinking he would accomplish. Did he think he was going to have any say about direction of the team, or player personnel? Did he call and try to set up a time to talk to these guys or did he just get on a plane, show up out of the blue and expect them to drop everything and talk to him? It would not be fair for him to expect them to bend over backwards without any warning.
I don’t think we’ll ever get Haley’s side of the issue because he refuses to talk about private conversations. So we won’t know what Waters’ approach to him was….maybe it was less than polite and set Haley off. He is a fiery guy who takes no shit and maybe Waters found out real fast that there ain’t gonna be any buddies on the team. We just don’t know.
Seems to me the silence makes it a non-issue and except for Whitlock would be an entirely private issue. I think he’s going to show up and play and they are both professional enough to ignore the non-issue. I don’t see management budging on this—they can’t. I only hope Waters shows up, sees the difference in what is going on and buys into the change.
by Zodeman on Jun 4, 2009 8:34 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Waters probably went to Whitlock and told him to print this
Sure they may be buds and Whitlock got an inside scoop, but I can’t believe there would be utter silence after that if it was really a big deal.
I’m the opposite. If it wasn’t a big deal, I think Waters would be talking. He knows by him being silent on this, he’s letting Whitlock speak for him.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 4, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We should get the answer in 24 hours loud and clear.
Regardless of what Waters wants he is still under contract. He can get docked pay from all of the mandatory camps and still play for the Chiefs. I just don’t see Pioli letting him go, and Waters is a professional.
Waters will likely not show up this weekend to send a larger message to the NFL about agreements with the players walking out if an agreement isn’t reached. Next Mandatory camp he will likely return.
Haley has sent his message to Waters via the media by his OTA recaps. He has been in touch with everyone that wasn’t in attendance. Dorsey, and others have spoken out that Haley doesn’t take crap like Herm did, and that Haley wants to win. This should dispel any 1st impressions Waters had received (from Fitzgerald, and Boldin, during the Pro Bowl)
Anyways lets hope for no Drama and he shows up tomorrow.
by ravenhawk on Jun 4, 2009 9:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
A few things that stuck out for me...
I think he’ll be at camp but I’m not sure its because I just want him to be there or that I actually believe he’s going to be.
The reason everyone thinks he’ll be there is because of his character which I dont think anyone would question ever. The problem with this is based on his character I wouldve thought if the “tiff” was nothing he wouldve set the fans minds at ease because he’s got to know what the media is saying/debating. I understand he owes us as fans nothing and maybe for the last few months he’s been patching things up with management behind closed doors for all we know and didnt want to give the media anything more to run with.
The Arizona Cardinal badmouthing Haley at the Pro Bowl I dont put much stock into. All the players that went are fond of Haley and two have outright come out and said they would love to play for him again. Plus in his time here I haven’t seen the arrogance really, and even if there was an arrogance and swagger instilled into this team is exactly what we need.
The one interview that I read that really makes me believe he’ll be back was with Mackintosh. I would guess that a fellow player and especially a fellow OLineman might be someone who would have the best feel for this. Maybe it was just me but the way he worded things too made it sound as if Waters was contemplating retiring or coming back. If that was the case it would explain alot. Someone debating retirement would take as much time as they could, not involve the media and probably seperate themselves from team activities.
Anyway after that novel I guess I couldve just said yes. I think the Mackintosh thing sealed it for me that this guy was contemplating hanging it up but still has the urge to play and will be there tomorrow.
by GenericBrand on Jun 4, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
about the guessing
I think guessing either yes or no would be better. The third choice only confuses the issue because actually 89% are lying as of now——————-no one is sure. I’m one of the liars—I voted no. As for the problem, Pioli is the boss, so shouldn’t he go tell Haley to go straighten the mess out. I don’t think he can tell Waters that because he could just demand a trade.
by route 66 on Jun 4, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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