Free Agent LB Willie McGinest Looking to Play in a 3-4 Defense
by Joel Thorman on Jun 30, 2009 6:50 PM CDT
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Former New England Patriots and Cleveland Browns LB/DE Willie McGinest has his sights set on one more year in the NFL. If the free agent had his way, it would be in a 3-4 defense. Considering the jump his sack totals took in the first year he moved from defensive end to linebacker in the Patriots 3-4 (5.5 to 9.5), this is the best move for him statistically.
A long-time veteran of the 3-4 defense in New England and Cleveland, McGinest said he would be interested in playing for someone from the Bill Parcells or Bill Belichick coaching tree. When asked by Albert Breer of The Sporting News what he wants in a team for final NFL season, he said familiarity with the defense is a must.
But a familiar situation— where I know what I'm getting and what I'm going to be a part of, where I know what to expect of the coaches, and they know what to expect of me, where I have a familiarity with the defense, knowing that 3-4 inside and out—would be great. Those are places where I can see things before they happen and where I could help younger guys.
Hmm...the Kansas City Chiefs run a 3-4 and Todd Haley is very clear of what he expects of his players. Let's see how he might fit with the Chiefs:
- Belichick and Parcells coaching tree? Check.
- Knowing the 3-4 "inside and out"? Check.
- Helping younger guys? Check.
There are plenty of downsides including age (37) and ability (One sack in '08) but those same concerns have been brought up with other acquisitions by the new regime this offseason namely Zach Thomas and Mike Vrabel.
The potential snafu in this plan would be whether Pioli's former colleagues in Foxboro, MA would be interested in him. According to McGinest, going back to the team that drafted him 15 years ago "wouldn't be a bad way to finish up."
Why wouldn't you want to go to a really good team, which is always close to the Super Bowl, which was in one a couple years ago, was a game away from another one, which has great coaching and is a great organization with a well put-together roster?
Considering Scott Pioli's affinity for veterans that can teach the youngsters the ropes and players with whom he's familiar, I wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs were one of the teams McGinest said he's had a "few talks" with. Whether McGinest gets a better offer is the question.
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Wow
He might as well have just come out and said he wants to be a Chief based on what he’s saying.
by GenericBrand on Jun 30, 2009 7:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
There’s only a handful of teams that fit that description. If he really wants to play, I imagine there could be at least a training camp spot for him with the Chiefs, assuming the Pats/Dolphins don’t give him a shot.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 30, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Due to the lack of experience at our OLB spot besides Vrabel
we should look at all possibilities. But it just doesn’t seem that McGinest has much left. Situational, leadership role at best. We really would be Patriots Midwest….
I know Greg Ellis is not considered a great character guy, but he would have been a better signing from a production standpoint. And you can’t tell me he would have rather played for the ever-imploding Raiders over the Chiefs. I just can’t buy it.
by TheQ on Jun 30, 2009 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ellis
Who will be 34 when the season starts, also signed a three year deal.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 30, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How old is McGinest?
Maybe he just seems older to me. My perception is sometimes a little off. :)
by TheQ on Jun 30, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could put him in in strictly passing downs where you want him to pressure the QB.
to keep him healthier.
by GenericBrand on Jun 30, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ellis
Didn’t Ellis also want to play as a 4-3 DE rather than a 3-4 DE/LB? I thought that was a major need for him. He didnt like switching to OLB for Dallas. Plus I love it when the Raiders sign guys past their primes to long term deals. Makes me laugh everytime!!!
by flyin_squirl on Jul 1, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I heard Neal Smith wants to play one more year also....
by chicks_love_chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 7:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Niel Smith sucks
He left here for more money,I didn’t like it but who can blame him for it too much. The things i don’t like about him is he went to Denver and when his playing time was over he came back here and tried to make more money off the fame he had here.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 30, 2009 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are going to be known as the place that Old Patriots go to retire
or get 2 sacks. Whichever comes first. :)
by TheQ on Jun 30, 2009 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 sacks is 20% of our last years total
Ill take what i can get.
by GenericBrand on Jun 30, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
It doesnt seem like he has much left but this guys could help. we have Vrabel,Thomas,DJ, after that its questionable to Turk,Hali but honestly id feel A LOT more comfortable to have him in the lineup. oldest linebacking corps but it would deffinatly help us….with the experience atleast
by Chiefs190 on Jun 30, 2009 8:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh
He looked pretty much done two years ago and last season, so while I won’t be unhappy if the Chiefs sign him I won’t really care all that much. I’m sure Pioli would get him for a good price on a one year deal.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jun 30, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly what I was thinking. Your not gonna get a whole lot out of him, just some vet leadership and help mentoring the youngsters
Let LJ work with Todd Haley, watch him transform, he will be good again if he can get some holes made and blocking from the OL he will run
In Pioli We Trust! Right?
by KC Nate on Jun 30, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is exactly mentoring Hali and McBride?
The LB Coach or Vrabel, Who has been teaching the OLB position with Vrabel outside of mandatory OTA’s. This Guy
http://www.kcchiefs.com/coach/gary_gibbs/
have to read some more.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 8:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Gary Gibbs is a great coach. Was pulling for him to be the DC actually.
by GenericBrand on Jun 30, 2009 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't slighting just supposing
was reading his BIO as you posted :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Chiefs coaching staff seems to be Peter Principal in reverse.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blech
He was not a great coach. He got fired from New Orleans because he was such a rotten defensive coordinator. Saints fans were ecstatic to see him go.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jun 30, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Only Hope
He’s not as bad as a position coach.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jun 30, 2009 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yuck dude.
I just threw up a little.
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by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He will be LB coach not DC
maybe Pendergast made that happen :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the entire D-staff is underwhelming
I’ll maintain a moderate level of hope until we’re 0-3 or 0-4.
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by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same Here
None of the defensive coaching hires this offseason impressed me. I don’t expect a good defense any time soon…but I’ll settle for a semi-competent defense this year.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jun 30, 2009 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Hate to say it with all the optimists here, but I’ll be happy to see our D end up around 22 or 23 statistically and a team record of 6-10. I think 8-8 will be an exceptional improvement. More than anything, it boils down to the the defense in my opinion. With the track record of the D coaching staff as a whole, I’m not expecting huge things from this group. We have mediocre coaches at best and a bunch of young guys who to this point in their careers haven’t learned what it takes and from the sound of things, we’re going to run a system that has so many different looks that it’s likely to end up way to complicated for a lot of these guys.
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by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think You're Right
At least it shouldn’t be as unwatchable as it was last year. Frankly, I’m starting to think that Pendergast couldn’t possibly be as incompetent as Gunther Cunningham was.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.
by UCrawford on Jun 30, 2009 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about Pendergast
I know the head coach of the Cardinals was made to keep him so I think he might of handicapped him so if he didn’t look very good he could get who he wanted. Because once they got to the playoffs Pendergast looked way better, so the HC might of let the leash off because he wanted to win the playoffs. just a thought
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man I must have gone back to Hell:)
UCrawford and Buck’O
So I will run and hope the devil doesn’t see me.
I think the Coaches except for Pendergast, who wasn’t 1st choice, all have been
put back to levels of greater competence. My thought is that we have no one that has been a premier OLB in 3-4 except Vrabel? and if McGinest could mentor and Show the youngsters how to play the position…… Pioli will decide if the Price is Right.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry man
Guess I’m having an Ed Asner moment here. :) I hope you’re right. I’m just not overly convinced of the overall chemistry on D for this year. I fear we’re going to try to do to many things with too many guys who are still on the steep end of the learning curve. I truly hope the coaches aren’t reaching for the stars with an overly complicated system.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you are both right as well as Tex
The Chiefs have serious issues and being optimistic ain’t going to save a “could be worse” situation. Hoping for a things go more right in 2009. Cooly and calmly assessing the 2009 situation might actually eventually involve a gun :( The Chiefs need the fans back at Arrowhead and the possibility of a 2011 shutdown right when the Chiefs might actually have things rolling reminds me of the “SCAB” games.
When we actually had a chance before the lockout.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but....
Didn’t we get Big Dan Saleaumua from the scab crew? Just sayin’ :)
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by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Remind me not to sign YOU as a cheerleader :)
So our big DT that played with Neal and Derrick was on our 0-4 scab team?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lol
Yeah, I understand he was on the scab team during the strike in ‘87. He impressed enough to make the team. Someone correct me if I’m wrong here.
I think UC and I did such a good job of depressing Steve_Chiefs, I’m trying to soften the blow a little by showing there’s a silver lining here. Think of a strike with scab games as an extended tryout for arena league guys and udfa’s. :) hehe There’s gems to be found out there man!
This isn’t helping much is it?
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by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this my chance to say
Bill Grigsby
Beauuutiful!
No wonder after 40+ years of Chiefs football Grigs was lit up :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...
That guy was one of my favs to listen to, mostly for the fact that he was lit up all the time. Damn I miss hearing him announce games. I’ve been watching all the games on Sunday Ticket ‘cuz I’m stuck in Dolt Country, San Diego!!
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 1, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saleaumua was drafted by the Lions in the 7th round in 1987
played 2 years with them then came to us.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 30, 2009 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allright thanks.
Well Steve, I tried. Guess you better keep those pom-poms away from me.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all good
in eternal Optimist land or Lee’s Summit Ark :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
won't have enough roster spots
to rotate all these AARP linebackers during games.
by ExtraMetal on Jun 30, 2009 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Tru Dat - My Bad
Geaux Chiefs
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
That would just put Hali on the bench instead of him actually learning through games. If they are trying to see if Hali isn’t a wasted pick, then they will give him a shot at OLB…otherwise they would just try to trade him. Not bring in a 37 yr old vet who only has 1 year left and only had 1 sack last year.
I still think Matt Jones should be looked at.
by Wrestler189s on Jun 30, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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