An Outsider's Take on The Chiefs: The Raiders' Perspective

by Matt Conner on Jun 30, 2009 10:48 AM CDT in 2009 Offseason Comment 38 comments

For the next in our Outsider's Take series, we turn to the ~~beloved~~ Raiders franchise to give us some perspective on what they see ahead for us. In case you missed it, we ran the Chargers perspective yesterday, so don't forget to check that out. In this edition, Richard from Silver and Black Pride gives us his idea of where the Chiefs are going in the next year or so and how he expects the Chiefs and Raiders to battle it out by 2011 for a playoff spot.

Q: Before any of the housecleaning took place, so to speak, what was the perception toward the Chiefs as to their legitimacy within the division (i.e. how concerned were you guys about the Chiefs within the division in the foreseeable future)?

A: We are always concerned. Because we are rivals and whenever our 2 teams play, no matter the records, it is usually a close , down-to-the-wire game. That being said, we are less concerned about the Chiefs, then the Chargers or Broncos. As far as how we viewed the Chiefs. I would say that, the results notwithstanding, we felt the Chiefs had an overall competent front office.

Q: Now that the dust of the offseason has largely settled, has that perception changed? Why or why not?

A: Well, it has not changed yet, as we don't know until the games are played. But, from a reputation point of view, adding Pioli certainly gives us cause for pause for what he may be capable of. I believe now though, that we will find out as to whether the success of the Patriots was Pioli or Belichick.

Q: What was the one or two moves the Chiefs pulled this offseason that upset you the most?

A: Well I don't know yet if we are upset, but I would say that it will be Cassell if he turns out to be the real deal. I do like (meaning I don't like) your latest move in getting Mike Brown provided he stays healthy.

Q. What are the primary one or two things, from your perspective, that still need to be done?

A: Still need some work along the defensive line, you might not have yet the right mix at linebacker for the 3-4 and even after adding Mike Brown the secondary looks suspect. And, I don't know your roster well enough to know if you adequately replaced Tony Gonzales, who will be sorely missed.

Q: Finally, what do you predict for the Chiefs over the next two NFL seasons?

A: Well, it's a tough schedule for the division, but I can see a 2-3 win improvement for the Chiefs this season. With Denver in meltdown mode and San Diego's window closing, I see the Chiefs and the Raiders on the rise and the two will probably be battling it out for a playoff spot for 2010 season.

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Thanks for taking the time.

But I think you missed on a couple…

even after adding Mike Brown the secondary looks suspect.

Are you serious? Our secondary was great last year and its one of the few areas I am not worried about.

I see the Chiefs and the Raiders on the rise and the two will probably be battling it out for a playoff spot for 2010 season

This seems hopeful. At this point in time your draft isn’t looking too hot, Jamarcus isn’t looking any better, and last time I checked Al Davis is still running the team. Take a look (if you haven’t already) at how much money you guys spend to loose. The ONLY way that happens is with a front office who doesn’t know what they are doing and is out of touch. Al Davis can’t admit or handle that football isn’t purely about speed anymore.

If you guys prove me wrong, I’ll admit it, but with Al Davis at the helm the Raiders will continue to be irrelevant.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Jun 30, 2009 10:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Jux lays out the Jamarcus bait...

no we wait to see if any raiderfish bite…

by GenericBrand on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This will be a fun gunfight to watch today!!!!

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 30, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm ready for it.

Just depends on what kind of fans come over to troll. If it was like yesterday it will be a semi-friendly but civil debate. Just don’t see that happening based on the other raiders fans who have come over in previous posts….

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Jun 30, 2009 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, let's keep things civil.

Represent AP well, everyone.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on Jun 30, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What do you mean, civil.........let me at 'em............

I’ll tear ’em apart…………death to the infidels! Just kidding…………………..

by G.L. on Jun 30, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

and even after adding Mike Brown the secondary looks suspect

Yikes…our secondary is probably the only part of the team that I don’t think looks suspect =)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 30, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Raiders have always been fools

Secondary suspect??
they are the only FOR SURE thing on the team besides the QB spot.

I believe this year we will tear the raiders apart..i mean they only have a decent offense cause they’re defense only has 1 maybe 2 guys that can actually do damage.

We will see how many times we will pick them off when jamarcus or garcia throws the ball this year

by Chiefs190 on Jun 30, 2009 11:16 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

let's not forget our punter

by airfly on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

YES

Dustin Colquitt is a studmuffin.

by ghsu on Jun 30, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Chiefs strengths...

1)Secondary
2)QB
3)RBs
4)D-line??

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 30, 2009 11:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

" I don't know your roster well enough"

Apparently because if he did he wouldn’t have said this:

“Still need some work along the defensive line”

and definetly not this:

“secondary looks suspect”

by GenericBrand on Jun 30, 2009 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't know.

I can understand criticism of the d-line. A rookie DE, Dorsey who is changing positions, and Tank who is switching positions.

I think we will be great, but I can understand the criticism.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, basically, outsiders don't know how

many first day picks are playing on our “D”.

by G.L. on Jun 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep, the D-line can go either way this year.

Currently a HUGE question mark with the potential to be incredible.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 30, 2009 12:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

AFC West See-saw

I do see the decline of Denver and San Diego sooner than later, and that is going to give us and the Raiders opportunity to capitalize. The question is that next year or the year after? Either way, I think Pioli knows this and will have us in the position to deliver the knock-out punch and get us back to the top of the division.

Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations

by carthagechief on Jun 30, 2009 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Are we offering

opinions to any other sites of the AFC West? I’d like to see what they’re saying in response to criticism as well.

by Reno_Chief on Jun 30, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nobody has asked

that I know of. But maybe some of them will respond?

by Matt Conner on Jun 30, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I did one for the Chargers a while ago I believe

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jun 30, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you believe?

the experience musta had one helluva impact on you. Lol

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Jun 30, 2009 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only a 2-3 win improvement

I think just getting rid of Herm and having better coaches will mean more wins plus we made our o-line better, having Cassel is better and even though all the changes on defense i think it will be was better. Then there is special teams and Haley seems to paying a lot of attention to that side of the team so it should be better. I know there are still a lot of ifs about the team but with the things about the coaches and what the players are saying things are looking brighter than they have in awhile.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 30, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This team............

or should i say last years team, wasnt that far away from a 8-8 season. When i say that i mean, we could have been 8-8 if we had won those 6 games that we lost by 7 points or less. We have made alot of improvements from last year, and the fact that people think our secondary is questionable is crazy. IMO i cant see any reason to not think, we can do better than that this season. If we dont do any better than that, trading for M.Cassel was a mistake.

by CPT.Caveman on Jun 30, 2009 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I hear that argument alot.

IF we won those 6 or 7 games. Thats a HUGE “IF”…Good teams find a way to win games they should lose, bad teams lose games they should win. I think we could have won a couple of games with better 2nd half playcalling, hopefully Haley is a better closer than Herm was.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jun 30, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Most games are decided by such margins

If you go around the league and look at all teams, you’ll find that most of their losses and wins come by 7 or less. Arguing that we’re a .500 team because we lost half our games last season by small spreads is futile. We’re also one of the only teams that got thoroughly manhandled 2 weeks in a row with Carolina and Tennessee.

For justice we must go to Don Pioli

by Sudden on Jun 30, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I wasnt ..........

surprised when we had it handed to us by Carolina or Tennessee.What im try to say is that we were that close with Herm, and what we had last year as a team. Now we have a new coach that from what i’ve been hearing has gotten this team in great shape……… alot better than what Herm had them in. I’m pretty sure T.Haley can coach better than Herm …………hell i could have done a better job than him. That in itself should improve our record. We have IMO had a pretty good draft, and we also picked up some really good vets to fill hole’s.
Alot of those close game’s that we lost, IMO was the coach’s fault for not making the players get in shape like they should have been, and alot of terrible coaching in the second half of games. So i see no reason not to think we cant win 8 or 9 games this year, and maybe even get into the playoffs.
This team that the Chiefs will be putting on the field is alot better than what we put on the field last year.

by CPT.Caveman on Jun 30, 2009 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yep. i say this all the time....

85% of ALL NFL games are won/lost by less than 7 points.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 1, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We

Were a bad team because of the coaching, and the conditioning. If you watch those close games our D was dragging ass in the second half and our coach, if we had a lead would call only safe play’s for 3 down’s then punt the ball. RUN,RUN, and 3 down and 14 RUN.

by CPT.Caveman on Jun 30, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow the Raiders fan was at least half the douche the Chargers fan was....

Actually apart from not knowing much about the Chiefs, the Raiders fan was 100% better than that smug Chargers Fan.

I still hate the Raiders WAY more than the Chargers….that house of horros in Oakland!

by chicks_love_chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 2:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And the Chiefs love Chicks

But I disagree. Chargers dude at least hung around and made a discussion out of it, had some insight into our team that goes above and beyond the average nfl fan’s, and stuck to his guns amongst our best and worst posters. Silver and Black’s Dick (ahem) gave some pretty shoddy opinions and suspect generalizations – also, where the hell is he?? No worries, Old Man Davis is going to live forever and will be staying the course for generations of Chiefs Fans to gleefully mock.

GO CHIEFS

nfl is looking for that yao ming money

by chiefsinchina on Jun 30, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not sure who said it

But you have to admit it’s true “You Are what your record says you are”. The Chiefs DO have a lot to improve and to prove, not only to the teams in the division but to the whole NFL. They also have a ton to prove to US the fans that have and will continue to support the Chiefs. I think it’s good to get an outsider’s view of our team, Heck I see many things different after watching BBC America’s version of the news compared to the US networks. What Both the Chargers and Raiders view have told us is that we are moving in the right direction but the Chiefs are not there yet. This is something Every Chis fan knows or should know, Yes if things right and even catch a few breaks it is possible to go 8-8, win the division and even make the playoffs. Granted even if we catch all the breaks I can’t see us staying in the playoffs for long, we just are not ready. I love my Chiefs, and I do see improvement and right now after the last two seasons I can live with that as long as the Chiefs Keep improving.

is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?

by KC Fanatic on Jun 30, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Bill Parcells said it

Arrowhead Pride

by Joel Thorman on Jun 30, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks Richard for your input!

This whole Raider perspective was too hyped up for me…John of the Chargers was more active with his arguments and poise…What a snoozefest :P

by worc on Jun 30, 2009 5:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Yea the Chargers guys responses initially were a bit "huh?"

But once he got in here “live” it was a good conversation and really a learning experience for both sides. The responses here were definetly appreciated but I wouldve hoped for a bit more.

by GenericBrand on Jun 30, 2009 6:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Scheduling conflict

I would have loved to have been actively participating, but I had a conflict and was not available. I am also in Europe and the time difference made it impossible, sorry.

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Jul 1, 2009 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

There's always tonight

Where in Europe are you btw? I am in Shanghai so i know allllll about time difference shizzle.

nfl is looking for that yao ming money

by chiefsinchina on Jul 1, 2009 4:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am in Geneva, Switzerland

Your team is your child...You love it no matter what.

by TheRaiderWay on Jul 1, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Outstanding Analogy...

I may despise your team, but I love your quote. Being a father of two and loving them with all my heart, it makes total sense to love your team the same way. I think we can all vouch for that with these last two horrid seasons we’ve had. However, no matter what, we love our team unconditionally…

Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce

by kcchiefsfan72 on Jul 1, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs