Where, Oh Where Is the KC Pass Rush Going to Come From?
It stands to reason that with a 2-14 record, the Chiefs have many holes to fill on their roster. The vast majority of these holes lie in the trenches, and with the linebackers.
Through the draft and free agency, Scott Pioli and crew filled many of the gaping holes in this team's depth chart. Well, they temporarily filled them, it was more like a cheap Bondo job you'd find at a used car dealership.
Most people acknowledge that guys like Zach Thomas and Bobby Engram can not only play some football for another year or two, but they make a valuable contribution in the locker room. There is a place on every team for veterans who have been there and done that.
Thomas and Engram will immediately challenge, and probably get, starting positions on this team, both of which were positions of need for this team.
The problem is they are well past their prime, and both have lost a step or three. By the time the season starts both players will be 36, and on the extreme downside of their careers. On the surface it sounds like they are significant improvements, but don't be surprised if one or both get injured or yanked by the end of the season.
Mike Goff was brought in from the Chargers to fill the biggest position of need on the offensive line. He will be a significant improvement over guys like Wade Smith and Adrian Jones, who shared the starting RG spot last year. Goff is also on the downside of his career, but the RG spot was so awful last year anything will be a relief.
By the end of the season last year, it was apparent that a pass rushing defensive end was atop the priority list when it came to team needs. Since Pioli announcing the defensive paradigm shift, this specific position is no longer needed. The 3-4 defense has no need for this type of player.
What it did create a need for, however, was a new breed of defensive lineman. This need was so great that Pioli and company used their top two draft picks on filling this very position.
Tyson Jackson (first round) and Alex Magee (third round) are hoped to eventually become the 5-technique defensive ends now needed in this new 3-4 defense.
It was originally thought that a new nose tackle would be needed as well, however the coaching staff now has great optimism in Tank Tyler filling that role. He will need to add 20 or so pounds to truly be effective in this role, but he has already started on this new task of his.
Tank is a very strong individual, which is a key attribute of a nose tackle. At the combine in 2007, he had 42 reps on the bench press, which was good for top performer across all positions that year, and even three more than the top performer this past year.
Tank played nose tackle at NC State, and dropped from 325 to 305 once picked up by the Chiefs. Playing a Cover-Two defense at the time, which necessitates the defensive tackles be quick and light on their feet, the Chiefs asked him to drop the excess weight.
He should make the transition to into the 3-4 very well and develop into an above average nose tackle at the NFL level.
Linebacker was one of the Chiefs' weakest positions last year. When a scrub like Pat Thomas is your starting linebacker, its pretty obvious you have problems. This problem was only worsened by the move to the 3-4 defense, and the Chiefs did little to fix it. As mentioned earlier, Zach Thomas was brought in, but he will not be very effective on the field.
Mike Vrabel was brought in with Matt Cassel as part of the trade package with the Patriots. He played outside linebacker in New England and along with Zach Thomas, will be the only player with experience in the 3-4 defense.
Vrabel, along with Engram and Thomas, will give valuable insight in the locker room, but like the others, can only be a very short term fix. He will be 34 by the time the season starts, but still will be a serviceable player for another year or two.
It's the other outside linebacker spot on this Chiefs team that is really concerning. Presumably it will be Tamba Hali, former first round defensive end from Penn State. Hali has been a do-it-all defensive end for the Chiefs since he was drafted, but he is more of a Jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none type of player.
Hali is not particularly quick, and switching to outside linebacker where he would have to drop back into coverage would not be beneficial for the Chiefs. The scouting report on him coming out of college specifically mentioned this deficit in his game, also.
He is a hard worker and never gives up, but his short area quickness is severely limited and does not have the speed to run with anyone in man coverage. Teams would easily be able to exploit this weakness in Hali by making him cover either the tight end or running back in man coverage.
This outside linebacker spot might be the weakest on the team. The Chiefs had a total of 10 sacks last year. DeMarcus Ware by himself doubled this sack total. Eleven individual players had more sacks last year than did the entire Chiefs organization.
Getting pressure on the quarterback is one of the easiest ways to help the defense, and the organization did nothing to help this. There were several free agents available this off season who could have rushed the passer, but none of them were brought in.
Good pass rushers were available during the draft, and Pioli and the Chiefs chose to go in a different direction. Why? We do not know. What we do know, however, is that the Chiefs defensive backs are going to be getting no help from the front seven. This may lead to another very bad year defensively for the Chiefs and another drought in sacks.
(Original article posted by me, TJ Gerrity, on Bleacher Report here)
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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just a thought...
but i would find a way to line up D. Johnson on the outside and take off the leash. Use him sorta like Pittsburg uses Woodley. He has decent speed, hits like a Mac truck, and is ready to play better football. Tamba Hali would be a decent spell option also.
by Sea of RED on Jun 29, 2009 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DJ would indeed be dangerous
There are similarities between DJ and Woodley, and what you said certainly could be an option, but we could always just have DJ blitz from the inside too. Just because you are playing ILB in a 3-4 doesn’t mean you can’t blitz.
by KU2010 on Jun 30, 2009 4:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bernard Pollard could play a big role in the pass rush.
I think if you look at clancy’s Defense in Arizona, the safeties blitz alot. Now Pollard is not Adrian Wilson (who I believe is one of the most underated players in the NFL), but I think he can be a successful blitzer. There are a lot of similarities between pass rushing and blocking punts, and Pollard has been one of the most successful punt blockers in the league.
He is powerful and very relentless (just ask Mr. Brady), and I think the few times he blitzed he seemed to do okay.
by saskwatch on Jun 29, 2009 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like where your head's at
Good idea.
by KU2010 on Jun 30, 2009 4:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
speculation
Again, I greet negative speculation about the prospects for this team with disdain.
Hali and Vrabel HAVE pass rush ability…
DJ, Dorsey, Jackson COULD contribute, whether it’s sacks or just pressure.
a new scheme, new coaches, better conditioning, better special teams, more of a ball control offense… these things COULD all help.
We won’t know until the season starts/ends.
I, for one am hopefull that the scheme changes and experience at LB will lead to some consistant pressure… even if the sack numbers aren’t spectacular.
25-35 sacks, and a reasonable amount of pressure would be a good outcome, and very possible.
by stagdsp on Jun 29, 2009 3:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No offense to the writer
but hasn’t this post (subject matter) been written about 6 different times already since February?
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jun 29, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is the offseason.
People are running out of ideas.
Speaking of which maybe I will write a post on whether Dorsey fits in a 3-4 or if he should be traded.
by saskwatch on Jun 29, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a post on Thigpen vs. Cassel?
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 29, 2009 4:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well hells bells
lets just do one on whether or not to retain CP? :)
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jun 29, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ha!
That got a rec out of me :)
by Joel Thorman on Jun 29, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said it
Though I do think this article is well-written (Nice work, TJ).
It’s a big mystery at this point and a fairly important one at that.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 29, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had an idea to help with the offseason anticipation.
While i was reading the interesting veiw of a chargers fan in the outsiders perception i thought it might be a fun idea for members to each pick a player and do a stepped back perspective on the pro’s and con’s of the player.
they would make the argument for or against the player and grade his abilities, porential, trade value, as well as how they will perform at thier position overall for the chiefs that year.
if anyone wants to put in an twist to the plan feel free
by WarChief on Jun 30, 2009 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stopping the run
is where out sacks are going to come from. Stuffing the run with solid d line play is going to prce teams into 3rd and long situations where they have to hold on to the ball longer just to wait for their recievers to get passed the first down markers.
Given that we have a strong secondary that is only going to get better…stuffing the run = forcing more pass attempts = more chances for interceptions and sacks.
I know it isnt as simple as all that but if you can stuff the run and you have a good secondary not allowing recievers to get open the QB is going to get sacked.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
No defense can worry about a pass rush if they can’t stop the run, stopping the run allows you to blitz on pass plays and go for the QB. Last year we could not stop I high school team from running on us, that’s why the Chiefs only had 10 sacks. Stop sweating the blitz and pay attention to run stopping and the sacks will come. If the Chiefs force the other teams into throwing against our secondary, first they take more time trying to find an open receiver and second that time in the pocket will allow a rusher to get to the QB.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
by KC Fanatic on Jun 29, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1 to Patrick and KC
Good secondary + Stuff the run + how the hell can a team only get Zilch sacks (Pure Bad Luck) =
at least a reversion to the mean of 25 to 30. Just hope that they are Sacks at a meaningfull moment :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson?
All that about the LBs and no mention of Derrick Johnson? He’s going to be a huge piece of the linebacking corps.
As for Hali, he’s not going to be dropping back in pass coverage much at all, other than a few times a game to keep the other team honest. He’s going to be playing Predator, whose role is to rush the passer 9 out of 10 times. When he does drop back, he’s not going to have to cover very long, because someone else will be blitzing, maybe a safety or a corner.
by Offense of the 70s on Jun 29, 2009 8:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
but I hope that corner is from the opposite side :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2009 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
aye
and thomas not being “effective on the field” strikes me as pure speculation. he did pretty well last year, and i doubt we’re saving a roster spot for a locker room cheerleader.
by ExtraMetal on Jun 29, 2009 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
oh contrare....
we were so porous against the run that we couldn’t mount ANY kind of defense. #1 and #3 will definitely change that. The defense will be improved
by dinomight on Jun 29, 2009 11:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Locker Room Cheerleader?
Well I guess if, as dinomight claims, if we couldn’t mount any kind of defense, then I guess there’s no use having a locker room cheerleader (extrametal) that we wouldn’t be able to mount either!!
Put this in your pipe and smoke it:
1. Chiefs will be at least 8-8 and vie for division champs
2. DJ will break out and finally have his year
3. LJ returns to form
4. DBowe drops will reduce
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jun 30, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good pass rushers were available during the draft, and Pioli and the Chiefs chose to go in a different direction. Why? We do not know
True – However we do know that Pioli is not a retart, so maybe he thought a change in scheme would improve the pass rush…
What we do know, however, is that the Chiefs defensive backs are going to be getting no help from the front seven
We don’t know that at all…in fact, I don’t think either Haley or Pioli would neglect something that important.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 30, 2009 7:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone ever see the underpants gnomes episode of South Park? That’s what I’m thinking is the plan for generating a pass rush in 2009.
by burntorangehorn on Jun 30, 2009 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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