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An Outsider's Take on The Chiefs: The Chargers' Perspective

What does the rest of the AFC West think of the Kansas City Chiefs? Did they bristle when they heard we signed Pioli? What do they think of Todd Haley? What'd they think of the Chiefs draft haul? And what about that trade for Matt Cassel?

We spent some time questioning our writer friends/rivals over at their respective sites covering the Raiders, Broncos and Chargers and asked them those things and more. We asked each the same five questions and they were kind enough to get back with us.

First up is the best team in the division over the last few years - the San Diego Chargers. And it seems that will continue this year with a revitalized running game, a new pass rusher in Larry English, the return of Shawne Merriman, etc. Of course, a Norv Turner coached team... hehe

John, head writer from BoltsFromTheBlue.com, was kind enough to take some time out to answer our questions. You might not like what you read, but this gives us an idea of what the perceptions are outside of Chiefland if nothing else. Questions and answers after The Jump.

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Q: Before any of the housecleaning took place, so to speak, what was the perception toward the Chiefs as to their legitimacy within the division (i.e. how concerned were you guys about the Chiefs within the division in the foreseeable future)?

A:
I wasn't concerned at all, but then again I knew that we wouldn't be lucky enough to have Herm Edwards to stay around for another couple of years. While it's true the Chiefs were a thorn in the side of the Chargers last season, it didn't look like they were going to be competing for the division without an overhaul.

Q: Now that the dust of the offseason has largely settled, has that perception changed? Why or why not?

A:
Kind of. On one hand, the Patriots and their regime do a good job of putting the fear of God into most Chargers fans. The thought of possibly having to deal with a Patriots-like team four times a year (when you include the Broncos adding McDaniels) is not a pleasant one. On the other hand, we've calmed ourselves down after looking at the record of Charlie Weis and Romeo Crennel after they left New England. That, plus the record of first-year NFL head coaches and first-year 3-4 defenses, did not lead to favorable results for Chiefs fans.

I'm a little terrified to see what Scott Pioli can do in Kansas City, but Todd Haley is the neutralizing factor for me. I think he's too inexperienced and too immature for that position. Also, his offenses were not that great. He had great players that made highlights, but he was never clever enough to get the running game going and couldn't develop a Heisman Trophy winner at QB. Maybe I'm biased against him for some reason, but I see a couple of sub-.500 seasons in his future before he's replaced by someone with experience (Cowher?). I'd be worried about how good the Chiefs could be in two or three years from now, but I have no idea what the rest of the division or NFL will be like then so it's pointless.

Q: What was the one or two moves the Chiefs pulled this offseason that upset you the most?

A:
None of them upset me at all. I think taking Vrabel was a bit of a sucker's bet. KC is not the right kind of team for him and he's on the downward slope anyways. Switching to the 3-4 is always a bit of a roller-coaster. There's a handful of players that I think will really suffer in that switch.

I like Cassel as a passer, but he's screwed in Kansas City and not just because he's still unsigned. Did you realize that with the exact same offensive line Brady had in 2007 (3 Pro Bowlers, 21 sacks allowed), Cassel was sacked 47 times? That's ridiculous. Now he's coming to a team with a lesser offensive line to begin with, and Waters wanting out is just going to make things worse. I think he holds on to the ball too long and he's going to have a real tough time staying healthy in KC.

I guess the Tyson Jackson pick upset me, but not for the reason you'd think. I don't think he'll be great on KC. I think the pieces around him are going to hurt him in the beginning of his career, honestly. However, I would've loved the Chargers to take him at 16. With a stronger structure to support him, and at a better value, he would've had a better chance at being a solid 3-4 DE.

Q. What are the primary one or two things, from your perspective, that still need to be done?

A:
That question is coming from the wrong direction completely. The question shouldn't be what still needs to be done, but rather what is taken care of. I'll answer the question your way though. Without a real knowledge of what Cassel, Haley and Haley's staff can accomplish during the regular season, I'll leave them alone. Here's where the roster could use upgrades:

RB: Get rid of LJ before he starts a fight with Haley. Jamaal Charles is a hell of a football player and backups are not hard to find (Edge James would work).

WR/TE: Yeesh. Who is going to replace Tony G's 100 catches a year? Cottam? Bradley? One of the rookies? I don't think so. I know Haley likes to throw the ball, but Bowe is going to have his plate full trying to carry the offense on his back. Sign Matt Jones.

OL: I like the Colin Brown pick a lot. Pioli's main job as the GM is to do what he did in New England: quietly fill each offensive line spot with a young, talented player. The line needs to grow together. The Chiefs current line looks like patchwork.

DL: Nothing. I like their defensive line.

LB: They're going to hurt the D-line. You need at least 3 pass-rushing OLBs and 2 patient ILBs to play the 3-4. I don't think Hali or McBride is fast enough to make an impact as an OLB. After Vrabel had one very good year at OLB, he fell flat on his face in 2008. He's 34 and can be handled. This odd crop of LBs is going to lead to an underwhelming pass-rush in 2009, I think. Thomas needs to be replaced eventually because he was awful in Dallas last season.

DB/S: Nothing. The secondary will be keep the defense from crumbling in 2009. This is the type of secondary that Jim Johnson (Eagles D-coordinator) dreams about. They can play man, they're tough and the safeties love to hit. The young secondary, plus Tyler Thigpen, almost beat the Chargers twice last season.

Q: Finally, what do you predict for the Chiefs over the next two NFL seasons?

A:
5 wins in 2009, 6 wins in 2010. Nobody can deny that the Chiefs moved in the right direction this offseason, but Kansas City fans must be patient. Rome was not built in a day. There are still questions to be answered (Cassel, Haley, LJ's attitude) and gaping holes in the roster (OL, WR, LB). I've watched Pioli do unbelievable things through the draft and free agency, but it will take him a few seasons to right this ship.

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well, what would you expect?

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jun 29, 2009 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

This is good..

There are several things that he says that I think he is way off base about…

1) Todd Haley (“His offenses have never been very good”??? really?
2) O-line ( Mike Goff is a huge addition-As a SD fan, he should know that)
3) LJ ( does he really think edge is better??? Give me a break)
4) Cassel and the O-line situation.. New Englands offensive line was NOT very good last year and I really don’t think ours is as bad as he seems to think comparably speaking.

If this is the way the rest of the West sees the Chiefs then, this is a good thing. SD was only two points away from losing to us TWICE last year. Strength and conditioning alone is enough to make up that margin.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Those are the same points I was thinking while reading this.

Todd Haley’s offense almost won the big one last year and LJ has been quite for the most part this off season. His attitude seems to be shaping up (or at least not getting worse) and I think it’s widely believed he still has some gas in the tank.

There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!

by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Allow me to respond

-Here are my thoughts on LJ. I think his body can’t stay healthy anymore.
-I think Edge is better suited for Haley’s offense when he tries because he’s a much better receiver and pass-blocker than LJ. Honestly, I think Jamaal Charles is suited for the offense better than Johnson and Edge would make for a fine backup.
-Take it from someone who loved him for a while and was sad to watch his decline, Goff is washed up. Here‘s some evidence to that point. Here’s some more.
-Prove to me that New England’s offensive line is good. Have you ever heard of a situation where 3/5 of an offensive line is made up of Pro Bowlers, then the only thing that changes is the QB and suddenly the offensive line is terrible? How does that make sense? Was Brady making them Pro Bowlers somehow?
-I was dead wrong about Haley and his offenses. I had a theory that involved the 2007 offense, but have recently found out that he didn’t start calling plays for the Cards until late in 2007. So while he doesn’t have much of a track record to go off of, it’s an impressive year and a half as an offensive coordinator.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey John.Welcome to AP

I have to agree to disagree with you about LJ. I think the problem with his game has been the o-line. Last year, if there was a decent hole to hit, he was still able to break off big gains. Unfortunately, most of the time, our line was not getting it done which brings us to the next point (and probably the most important)
While Goff may not be what he used to be, he will still be a great improvement over Wade Smith and he should be able to help some of our younger guys with their game. He will also allow Mcintosh to play a little more freely because he won’t have to babysit the guard next to him. I am not saying he is going to be bullying opposing defenses but, he is still a good player.
Now, if you want to talk about NEs offensive line, the fact of the matter is no, they are not that good. That is why they lost the SB two years ago to the Giants. In fact, they gave up a lot more sacks last year than we did. Also, if you want to find out how good their line was, ask Tom Brady about it. Remember, we were the team who took him out last year and we had the worst pass rush in the history of that statistic. They CAN be very good but, their play was inconsistent all year last year. If you want to talk about Pro Bowls, just ask YOUR QB if Pro Bowl selection is fair or if its a popularity contest…I am sure he would have a few things to say.In this day and age, I don’t think making the Pro Bowl is a fair evaluation of whether or not a player is the best or not.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very good point

Although I really don’t know how else to evaluate the offensive lines besides Pro Bowls and the number of sacks allowed. Even if you take the Pro Bowl argument out, there’s still an increase of 25 sacks in 16 games.

The point about the Chiefs taking him out is silly because it was just one play and one big hit. That might’ve been the only sack all game if Brady had stayed in. There might’ve been 10 more. You can’t analyze their line play based off that one sack.

I’ll take your word that Goff is an improvement. He’s a warrior, that’s for sure, and he’ll be there every game. I think his knees/back have gotten weaker over the years though and he’s really of no use in the running game because he can’t push back a defensive linemen or even a bigger/strong linebacker. He’s serviceable in pass-blocking only because his technique is so good.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I'll respond to you

- LJ can’t stay healthy anymore? Because he got a freak foot injury and missed 8 games 2 seasons ago? As far as RBs go, he’s been remarkably healthy. Jamaal Charles and Kolby Smith are the injury-proned ones.

-I don’t see how anyone can think that you need just one type of back for a system anymore. JC would basically just be a faster Edge if he came.

- Goff is pretty far from washed up. He’s going to be missed in San Diego this season when guys like Sproles, Tolbert, and Hester can’t find the holes they were used to with Goff and Neal blocking for them(well, just Sproles for Neal). San Diego is going to wake up one day and realize that they can’t run at will like they used to.

- You really don’t think a QB can make an offensive line look better than it would be without him? Did you see our o-line last year? Compare Damon Huard taking snaps to Tyler Thigpen after he was given the reigns for good and see how many sacks we gave up. Almost exactly the same number of sacks, while Thigpen attempted over twice as many passes every game and some of his “sacks” were him tucking and running and not quite getting to the line.

by JayrodT on Jun 29, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neal wasn't there last season

so Sproles never ran behind him. Also, our running game notoriously goes left (almost 80% of the time) because Goff is such a poor run-blocker. We couldn’t run at will last year, by the way.

-LJ missed games last year as well.

-Based off what I saw in Arizona, it looked like the perfect RB for Haley’s system would be one with great hands and the ability to pound it up the middle. I’m suspicious of Johnson’s hands.

-So your argument is that Cassel is like Damon Huard?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

LJ

Missed games last year because of suspensions, not injury.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Jun 29, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah crap

Well then ignore all my injury talk. I wish I had the time to be as up-to-date on my knowledge of the Chiefs as I am with the Chargers, but things like that always slip through the cracks or are simply forgotten (as is the case this time).

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

And that doesn't make him any lessof a bum

Injury or Off-field issues: who cares? He’s a bum either way.

From my perspective thaere are way way way too many Chiefs fans looking at LJ through rose colored glasses.
There is just no way that LJ should still be on the roster day 1 and have his multi million dollar contract reinstated.
I’m not even slightly impressed that his agent explanined to (uning little-boy words so that he could understand) that if he wanted to get his final NFL payday he would have to be quiet, and act like an adult until he made the roster.

John (obviousman) — I completely agree with you about LJ. He’s a bum. He’s 30 years old (the age when runing back tend to go right in the shitter). He has way too many off field issues. His production keeps slipping snd slipping by the year. He STILL may be suspended for a few games in 2009. He’s not worth 1/2 the money his contract will pay him. He needs to go.

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by Texas Chief on Jun 30, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tex, must be a different schedule lately.

Maybe some are rose-colored. Others are prescription.
LJ whatever he is is a Chief. Don’t need anymore like him on this “53”
But, the current “53” don’t have a 2009 replacement.
LJ might and probably will screw the pooch before Training camp is over.
The attitude is a BIG problem, the Money is Clarks/Pioli’s problem.
Without a better alternative to score some points/more Wins/moreButts in seats.
The Chiefs are in a bind.
Cutting him would be the safest way to protect Chiefs integrity and also Guarentee more 2009 losses. In all sincerity without a blind hope who would the Chiefs get that would put up at least a 3rd of a successfull NFL teams yardage?

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sproles has been there since 2005

and ran for 122 yards against the Broncos in 07. I watch more Chargers games than I do Chiefs since I live in the southwest right now.

Somebody already pointed out that LJ was suspended.

I don’t think we’ve really seen Haley’s system yet. He had to run Wisenhunt’s offense in Arizona, he didn’t even get to call the plays until half way through the 07 season. But even with that, LJ fit well in to Vermeil’s offense here in KC. Which was VERY friendly to Priest Holmes who is a RB with good hands that can run between the tackles. You need different styles of backs in this league.

My argument is that the QB CAN make the line look a lot better. Different QBs hold on to the ball longer, improvise differently, panic, etc… Not to mention that the NE o-line was used to a QB who never took off with the ball nearly as much as Cassel did last year which is a big adjustment.

by JayrodT on Jun 29, 2009 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

QB's Making their Lines look good

Whenever I hear this I immediately think of the season where Dan Marino’s offensive line with like 10 games in a row without allowing a sack. Wel guess what, it was not his line at all. Marino refused to allow himself to get sacked. He threw the ball away like crazy!

by Skrappy on Jun 30, 2009 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sproles/Neal

Sproles ran for 122 yards in a 2007 blowout game against the Lions. Not the Broncos. The backups were in, Neal was out. Andrew Pinnock was the FB.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 30, 2009 6:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Edge is better suited for Haleys offense?

I’m pretty sure it was Edge that wanted out of Haleys offense. And Haleys AZ offense will not be Haley’s KC offense. Actually I’d expect, based on all his offseason comments, it to be a run first team but I guess we’ll see in pre-season.

by GenericBrand on Jun 29, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Patriots o-line...

I believe was pretty battered last season… 3/5 of the line was playing with injuries. That said… Cassel’s sack percentage went down. My guess is he became a better QB, knowing when to hold’em, when to throw’em, and when to RUN!!!!

by ravenhawk on Jun 29, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha this part made me laugh....

Have you ever heard of a situation where 3/5 of an offensive line is made up of Pro Bowlers

uh yes…in KC….with Trent Green/Damon Huard…Our o-line was good enough for Huard to win 5 games (5-3 i believe he went in that stretch, this is all memory not citing anyone so i might be off a game or 2) in Herms first season but when trent came back, same o-line…we didn’t look so hot and yes the o-line DID get the blame for that after the season. Even Carl came out and said it was his fault for keeping the same line.

by xfatdannx on Jun 29, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on the Pats line

Another SB Nation member and I did a 4 part writeup on Josh McDaniels tendencies to give some background – the Pats line was hard hit with injuries and had some bad performances from starters to further hurt things. Cassel did pull down the ball and run too much, but you couldn’t argue with why.

I can’t agree if Mike Goff, though, although I wish you well. I’m living in SD right now and watched him a lot, broke down the film. He was the weakest link on the team and they had a lot of trouble running to his side or to his position – just didn’t do well. Maybe he can get it back with your team – all the best on that.

Hillis/Moreno in '09

by Doc Bear on Jun 29, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

We have heard very good things about Goff this offseason...

I truly hope he can get it done, we really need some help on the line.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

There is going to be a very big

surprise in this gentleman’s future. His perception is very weak.

by G.L. on Jun 29, 2009 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

God I hope you're right

But I imagine that the win total will be somewhere between where he thinks we’ll be (5 wins) and where some of us think we’ll be (around 8 wins). My bet for the year is 7-9. The Chiefs are at that same stage as the Royals—the talent is finally starting to build up, but it simply won’t all “work” for a year or two. Then, we make the playoff runs…

by RoyalFlush on Jun 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Book Me for 6-10...

Broncos (5-11)
Raiders (7-9)
Chargers (11-5)

by Skrappy on Jun 30, 2009 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting

that he sees Leinart’s inability to be a pro QB as stemming from a problem with Haley, and not from the fact that Leinart is a lazy spoiled douchenozzle.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 29, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

agree totally

Last time I checked, Haley was the receivers coach/Offensive coordinator, not the qb coach

by King of the Cassel on Jun 29, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said this above

but I’ll reiterate. I was wrong. The Cardinals previous OC was fired because he wasn’t smart enough to realize that Leinart needed the offense simplified for him. Haley’s never really had his hands on Matt.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Plus he didn't factor in K Warner...

Ya know, he’s just a Super Bowl MVP and possible hall of famer

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions  

I would like to thank John for answering the questions

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 29, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I agree, it was nice of him to do so.

Still think he is overinflated on Charger gas.

by G.L. on Jun 29, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was the most entertaining offseason day

in a while for me.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cassel's Sacks

There is something going on when the same OL gives us an additional 25 sacks in one year. The criticism of Cassel for taking a lot of sacks is fair. A few things to consider though. One, you are comparing a rookie (basically) with the arguably the best QB in the last decade in the prime of his career. Second, Cassel got better as the season progressed. In the first 8 games, he was sacked 28 times and in the last 8 he was sacked 19. While that is still a lot of sacks—the average # of sacks per game goes down over 1 whole sack per game (3.5 to 2.4). That is steady improvement.

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by schraggyj on Jun 29, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

A point I should've made

Rec’d.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for coming over and answering questions.

A person in good health in a Western liberal democracy is, in terms of his objective circumstances, one of the most fortunate human beings ever to have walked the surface of the earth.

by schraggyj on Jun 29, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

I made this point in my post but the guy he’s comparing Cassel to took 41 sacks his first year under center on a team that also had a very good offensive line.

by GenericBrand on Jun 29, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here are my reasons why I think the Chiefs may contend in the

AFC West this year:

1. Phillip Rivers

2. Norv Turner

3. Kyle Orton

4. Josh McDaniels

by G.L. on Jun 29, 2009 1:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Rivers was the top rated QB in the NFL last year.

I get the other three, but Rivers? Why?

A person in good health in a Western liberal democracy is, in terms of his objective circumstances, one of the most fortunate human beings ever to have walked the surface of the earth.

by schraggyj on Jun 29, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree that Rivers is a very good QB...

But man, what a pole smoker. I really hate that guy…

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why?

Because he was caught on camera trash-talking in 2007?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

No, well yeah partially...

He acts like a huge baby when things arent going his way. He yells at his guys on the line and his WRs and…he’s a pole smoker. Doesn’t really carry himself the way I think a NFL QB should.
I will still say this though, he is a very good QB.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

You're wrong

He doesn’t yell at his WR or offensive line. He never carries himself like a baby. I hated the trash-talking in 2007 as much as anyone, but because of two instances (trash-talking fans in Indy, mocking Cutler in Denver) he gets a horrible rap. He’s a competitor and like any other QB he yells out commands, but never puts down his teammates or pouts.

As a matter of fact, it’s just the opposite. He’s one of the best comeback QBs in the league because he has such a short memory and rarely, if ever, pouts like a baby.

Also, that “pole smoker” has a hot wife and a bunch of kids.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well
I hated the trash-talking in 2007 as much as anyone, but because of two instances (trash-talking fans in Indy, mocking Cutler in Denver) he gets a horrible rap.

Cromartie said he was the biggest trash talker on the team :)

Thanks for answering questions, John. Much appreciated.

by Joel Thorman on Jun 29, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Comeback QB

That means he couldn’t pull it together for 3 quarters….That’s not necessarily a good thing. I do think he doesn’t take the blame for things though. For being the face of the franchise, he shouldn’t act the way he does.
And since everyone jumped onto the QB situation coming off a RB situation heres another question.
Why do you say that LJ hasnt come back to form since his injury? Yes he broke his foot, and the next year (in spread offense i might add) he still hit holes and ran good. And you say turning that since he is turning 30 that he wont produce…So you are basically saying that your beloved LT won’t produce either? LT is older than LJ if you didn’t know….

by Wrestler189s on Jun 29, 2009 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

First off

Your attitude is not necessary.

Secondly, you’re putting words in my mouth. Rivers didn’t lose those leads, the defense did. But yes, poor play-calling in the first half of games did attribute to slow starts for the entire team. In reality there was a lot of trying to force the running game when it wasn’t there that lead to poor offensive series.

I’ll say it again. Rivers got caught trash-talking in 2007. He thought he was having fun but he realized everyone thought it was him being immature or something, so he changes his ways. He was a model citizen of the NFL both on and off the field in 2008 and has said he will continue to be in the future.

Tomlinson is not “my beloved”. This right here backs up my points that LJ has become less productive and has a hard time staying on the field since his 2006 Pro Bowl season. I don’t think LT can be the same player he was when he was 25, and I think he’s been overworked as well. I’m pushing hard for a RB by committee this season.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

I didn’t see any attitude. This is also on the computer so don’t blow it out of proportion. Ok maybe IM being a little biased against Rivers just because of the fact that i think you guys made a huge mistake when you let Brees go. He was the only player i liked on SD and for Rivers to fill his spot was pretty lame, for me. Im from SD and I was stunned when you guys did that.
For LT, it is just because everythone thinks he can come back from injury the next season and produce great numbers but LJ can’t. No doubt, im pushing hard for mine too…it’s just people think LJ has nothing left…and im trying to defend him.

by Wrestler189s on Jun 29, 2009 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ive seen plenty of games

where Rivers might be upset at a call and he is throwing his arms around and whining to the refs. Actually i think in last years game at Arrowhead he got pissy because of a call and i remember thinking what a dbag. I mean the guy couldn’t stop bitching, yelling, and jumping around throwing his arms all over the place. I think the perception of Rivers is pretty spot on.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Jun 29, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

By that description

Every player in the league is a “dbag”. Every WR who trips does the same thing, looking for a PI. Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli Manning, etc. EVERYONE does that. It’s called “working the refs”.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

True

Everyone does that, well most everyone. No one likes a bad call and we all know about how the Chargers got burnt by that, so let’s not be hating because they don’t just agree with the refs.

Think about it like this, if Rivers played for the Chiefs, would you still think all he has done makes him a dbag? You might, I just think though that most everyone here is hating because he plays for a rival.

There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!

by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 29, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No im hating because i seriously think he is a dbag

its one thing to argue and voice displeasure with the refs due to a bad call. Its another thing to jump up and down and whine and throw your arms all over the place. Rivers is a dbag and if he played for the Chiefs i would think the same thing. I think LJ is a dbag, the only difference is i want my Dbag to have a good year and I want thier dbag to suck.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Jun 30, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not whinning when you're being screwed...

Like when Dielman was thrown out for a non-existant punch. I was proud he stood up for his lineman – it was a bs call that cost us one of our best players for the game.

PR doesn’t talk any more or any less to the refs than anyone else – it’s a part of the NFL – like flopping is part of the NBA only much less lame.

I don’t expect non-Charger fans to like PR – he’s been given a role of the villain to fill by ESPN and since he’s the competition people enjoy using it as an excuse for hating on him. He’s a great QB and an even better man, on and off the field. You don’t see him in clubs spitting in womens faces now do you? Nope – but somehow because he talks a little G-rated trash on the football field he’s the biggest dbag ever. Give me a break.

by Sydalish on Jun 29, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree...

…the Chargers have proven ability in blowing it big-time lately, but I think that’s in spite of Rivers’ talent — not because of it.

by jbj8609 on Jun 29, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rivers had a great year stats wise,

but his team finished 8-8 in only their second year since Marty Schottenheimer was canned. Who really cares if Rivers threw more touchdowns than Dan Fouts if his team is 8-8. As they go down that inexorably winding road leading to the dungeon of the AFC West, Rivers will falter.

by G.L. on Jun 29, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rivers will falter?

You almost had a half-decent point until that line. Rivers is one of the 5 best QBs in the league, easily. And he’s very consistent. Just because you don’t like him doesn’t mean he’s not good.

The 8-8 record had more to do with no pass rush and an overmatched defensive coordinator than anything having to do with the offense (which finished 2nd in points scored).

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not Exactly Top 5

Rivers no doubt is a good QB, but I can name 5 that are better than him.

In Pioli We Trust

by KC Nate on Jun 29, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No chance

He had one of the best statistical years in history last season and has been consistently good and getting better. If I’m being fair….

1. Peyton Manning
1a. Tom Brady
3. Rivers
4. Brees
5. Roethlisberger

If you want to factor in things like super bowls, you can change that to

1. Brady
2. P Manning
3. Roethlisberger
4. E Manning
5. Rivers

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just want to throw in i did win a monster bet that eli would win one before

rivers i still feel rivers will never even touch super bowl grace unless he smokes it or cuts it either way chargers are toast next year . LT is on the fall sproals is a bandaid and gates has steadly declined i still feel your coaching staff is questionalble and by the way your lines with oshanski in there are going to look pretty rough this year get ready to be owned by arrowhead pride this year

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Jun 29, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is that English?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 30, 2009 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s his style. Just have to get used to it.

by JComp11 on Jun 30, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

John

That was cool :) SA sorry but so funny:)

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

There are things about Rivers, I like,

and things about him I absolutely do not like. So its not really a matter of whether I like the guy or not. I think Marty Schottenheimer was the best thing that ever happened to Phillip Rivers. Before that he was a third string quarterback behind Drew Brees and Doug Flutie. But I remain unconvinced. We will see what happens, but when the chips are down, I think Rivers reverts to the third string qb he was a few years ago.

by G.L. on Jun 29, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

That argument is ludicrous!

You think he was a 3rd string QB because he earned that spot? There were instructions from the front office to let him learn off the field as long as possible to avoid another Ryan Leaf situation.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Are you kidding me?!

“when the chips are down, I think Rivers reverts to the third string qb he was a few years ago.”

Really? What has Rivers shown that would suggest that? All I see proves the opposite.

When the Chargers were down last season, Rivers was the one carrying the team on his back because LT couldn’t do it. Think of all those times Chargers were losing in the second half and Rivers got the team back in contention. CAR, @DEN, @NO, @KAN, etc. Rivers is a fighter, who’ll always give his all, even if he’s half crippled (2007 playoffs).

I really have no idea why he’d have a reputation otherwise.

by gman87 on Jun 29, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

I hate Rivers because he’s a division rival but the dude is so good.

by Joel Thorman on Jun 29, 2009 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Had the whole McDaniels fiasco not occured

do you think Rivers or Cutler would have been our biggest threat in 2010, when we hope to be making a run for the division?

If you asked me 100 times, I’d have said Cutler 99 times =)

What say you?

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 29, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Cutler

He’s got a bigger arm IMO, but that’s not meant to be a slight at Rivers, whose put up some big numbers.

by Joel Thorman on Jun 29, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think Rivers is smarter

and Cutler is more physically impressive. Rivers is comparable to Montana in my eyes whereas Cutler is more like Favre. Both good, but I’ll take Montana over Favre any day.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Except if you compare Rivers to Montana, I’d compare Cutler to another Bronco…

and I don’t know if I’d take Montana over Elway “any day”

That’s about a 50/50 argument for me.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 29, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Quick stats

Rivers: 62.3% Comp, 2.16 TDs for every interception
Montana: 63.2% Comp, 1.96 TDs for every interception

Cutler: 62.5% Comp, 1.45 TDs for every interception
Elway: 56.9% Comp, 1.32 TDs for every interception
Favre: 61.6% Comp, 1.49 TDs for every interception

Statistically, the Favre comparison makes more sense. Also, how does Rivers look now?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

He looks like a guy I would like to see playing in the NFC.

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by schraggyj on Jun 29, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Ummm...

Aren’t most of those guys retired? Does that sta still count when Rivers is still active? Not trying to take away from Rivers but comparing his 6 years to Montana’s 16 might be a big reason he’s on top there….

There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!

by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 29, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

It could be

but it could be the opposite as well. QB’s don’t typically hit their peak until they’re around 30, and Rivers is only 27.

The fact that he’s played 6 seasons and statistically is better than Joe Montana, John Elway and Brett Favre is still very telling.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

montana ???????????? rivers no way rivers thows hospital balls all night long

dont ever compare a legend to a rook rivers couldent carry montanas jock strap in a strip club

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Jun 29, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rivers is not a rookie

and the stats don’t lie.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 30, 2009 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1.

And the best part of Cassel, is having a QB to compete against Rivers (hopefully). It sucked being left out of the Cutler/Rivers discussion last year.

A person in good health in a Western liberal democracy is, in terms of his objective circumstances, one of the most fortunate human beings ever to have walked the surface of the earth.

by schraggyj on Jun 29, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our record had a lot to do with no conditioning. Thanks for taking the time to answer the questions, always interesting to see an outsiders point of view. After OTA’s the interviews of many of the players dealt with Herm’s inability to properly condition his team.

Also, there has only been one report about Waters being unhappy, and much more without him saying a thing. He didn’t sound like he was demanding a trade or all too unhappy at the end of mandatory OTA’s.

Again, thanks for taking the time, was interesting stuff on a slow summer’s day.

by JComp11 on Jun 29, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Waters is a key

Him being on the team or not being on the team could swing 3-4 victories.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

upgrading at RG with Goff* makes little difference if we downgrade at LG by losing Waters

(* I know you said earlier that Goff was washed up, but seriously, we had a failed Left Tackle Former Jets Herm’s guy asshat as our starting RG. =) )

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 29, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

An upgrade is an upgrade

I’m just saying you should temper your expectations for Goff.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've watched

Every SD game and i know how Goff plays. I’m not expecting miracles from him but i do know he is a huge upgrade over our RG.

by Wrestler189s on Jun 29, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

we understand Goff is not the white incarnation of Will Shields, but our hope is that with an actual right guard playing right guard that our center and right tackle might suck less as well.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 29, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

If the Charger continue to implode with all the talent they have on the field as they have in the recent past....

I would place the blame directly on the shoulders of Norv Turner.
Quick: show me a table listing all the success Norv has had as a head coach in the NFL.
Make sure to put the teams previous seasons with the previous head coaches up next to Norvs.

Norv is a great OC. Norv should remain an OC.
Norv is single handedly pissing away the “small window” of opertunity that the Charges have with the current talent on the team.

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by Texas Chief on Jun 30, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think last year was an aberration.

When things start to fall apart for the Chargers, I think Rivers will fall apart big time. The Chargers have been teetering towards incompetence since Norv Turner was hired as the coach. I believe Rivers and Turner will both succumb to what happens overall with the team largely as a result of what Norv Turner does.

by G.L. on Jun 29, 2009 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd love to see him...

Have a Ryan Leaf scale meltdown so I could make a “lowlight reel” set to Cry Me a River by Justin Timberlake… and then maybe edit in the clip from Not Another Teen Movie where the principal says “cry me a river, dickface”… Just a thought…

by jcw1987ml on Jun 29, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Try to back this up with facts

He didn’t just have one good year. He’s been good since he took over as starter. It was not a fluke or aberration.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here's a fact for ya,

with River at quarterback, San Diego started last year at 4-8. They had to win the last four games to make it to 8-8.

by G.L. on Jun 29, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Astute Comments

His comments were well defined & obviously well thought out.
 He was"Right on" about our Dbacks & Safeties, arguably some of the best young talent out there. If we can afford keeping them all signed & together for the next 10 years, they will clearly be giving opposing QB’s nightmares thereby reducing opposing teams options on offense.
 LJ seems healthy, both mentally & physically. I see a great year from him.
 8-8 season is plausible. Go Chiefs! 2009 AFC West Champions.

by ChiefsChance on Jun 29, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you

That’s why I didn’t understand the Mike Brown signing at all.

Also, be careful on LJ seeming healthy. I don’t even believe all the comments about LT being healthy until I see it.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Added for the same reason Thomas was added—leadership.

by JComp11 on Jun 29, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed about LT

The guy has got a perpetual turf toe and groin problem. If what I’ve read about him taking the same load he has been, he won’t last through the season.

About LJ.. Cassel has said himself that he’s been the most impressed with how hard LJ has been working in the offseason. You may just see some flashes of “the centaur” this season.

I could get more sacks with my sack

by ArrowSpread on Jun 29, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cant wait to see what the other guys in the division say...

Its amazing how the fans of the Blow hard Chargers have become blow hards themselves.

And unfortunately I kinda agree with some of the stuff he said, this offense terrifies me a little, I think it could be a little like the first year of the Vermeil era with Trent Green… Where Green through a billion interceptions because he was the only person who knew the offense, but then hopefully the following year it clicks.

Nothing from Nothing leads to... Your 2009 Kansas City Royals

by averagegatsby on Jun 29, 2009 2:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Where to start...where to start...

It was certainly interesting to get a rivals perspective but it becomes very clear, very quickly that he has done very little research on whats going on with our tem in the offseason. Lets start with ….

2. Haley’s offense wasnt that good? When it counted he only beat two very good defenses and almost a third on the way to the superbowl. He got the running game rolling when it counted, found ways to get the ball to his best playre despite triple teams and nearly beat the best defensive team in the league.

3. He’s comparing Crennel and Weis to our situation and I think its clear, especially when you can directly compare to the Broncos situation, that having the NE executive is far different then the leftover coaches. As for Cassel it is true he does hold onto the ball but to say hes “screwed in KC” is a little bit overstated. It was Cassels first year under center and as someone pointed out he got better as the year went on(5 of those 19 sacks were in 1 game too). Fact is Tom Brady in his first season, also with a very good oline, ate 41 sacks so to say he’s screwed over one years stats(and notice how he avoided the good stats) is ludicrous.

3. a) If he thinks backup Rbs are easy to find and lists Edge why not just leave LJ as the backup. He’s clearly missed the attempts that LJ has made this offseason to turn it around.
b) I agree Tonys production needs to be replaced but it doesnt need to be replaced by one guy. And of all people to question where it would come from a Charger fan? Who was Vincent Jackson(some would still say who is Vincent Jackson) not exactly a household name.
c) The OLBs a re a bit of a question mark but he knows as well as we do how well they’ll perform. Fact is no one does.

4. If this team only wins 5 games this year and 6 games next year Pioli and Haley will be looking for new jobs. A modest increse of 5-6 wins this year might be acceptable considering its a transition year but if we arent over .500 and at least coming close to challenging for the division then theres problems.

This interview is laced with the arrogance of the Cromartie interview the other day on NFL.com which is awful surprising coming from a player who’s team is on the decline. The Chargers are still the “team to beat”(I use that term loosely) for one more season but I still say this division is up for grabs this year and in years to come.

by GenericBrand on Jun 29, 2009 2:32 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Chiefs fans

Come on guys. Our team won 6 games the past 2 years. Sure we are on a better path but the Chargers are still the team to beat in the AFC West. I don’t like to see us come off as assholes by simply making mindless statements like “Chargers suck” or “Philip Rivers Sucks” without backing it up without any further argument. Lets be bigger than that.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jun 29, 2009 2:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Thank you

That’s all I really want. Make me look stupid if you want, but lets do it as analytical fans instead of screaming monkeys. Disprove my statements with facts.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for your input...

Remember this though…We gave you guys all you could handle in BOTH GAMES last year. We have made big improvements (especially in coaching) since then. That 1 point should not be hard for us to make up for this year with all the changes we have made.
Thanks so much for contributing but, I really hope we kick the crap out of you guys this year.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahh, there-in lies the rub

The Chiefs have improved that one point, but haven’t the Chargers as well? When we face you guys this year we’ll have added one of the best pass-rushers in the league and hopefully our former MVP RB will be healthy. I think it’ll still be two competitive games, as competitive as 2008, so I can’t predict anything. Those close games always come down to the refs.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the fun debate John...

I hope Merriman is still good now that he’s off the roids-Just kidding.
Good luck this year.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 29, 2009 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont

disagree with you. It will be 2 close games. It always is. But adding Merrimen, i think, won’t be as big of an impact as the SD fans think . He did put up great numbers, but when he as on sterioids. Since then, i didn’t see anything that impressed me. I still think he is a good pash rusher and no doubt you guys are improved with him but i just think he is overrated. IMO. Larry English seems like a stud, has he been coming along nicely?

by Wrestler189s on Jun 29, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your argument is an un-researched one

…through and through. Merriman was suspended for 4 games in 2006 for a failed drug test. It had nothing to do with steroids. It was a result of him taking a non-approved supplement that did not state all of their chemical ingredients on the bottle. It was his own fault and he admitted it.

In 2007, he collected 12.5 sacks and made the Pro Bowl.

English looks like a beast, but we haven’t seen him in pads yet. All we know for know is that he’s built like a rock and moves like a rocket.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Merriman...

is an upgrade over Jyles Tucker and all the other guys they started in his spot last season. The thing about Merriman is that he requires a lot of attention and a double team to block most of the time, so he’s valuable in making his teammates more effective. As both a Chiefs fan and a Chargers fan (is that allowed?), I’m definitely feeling like the Chargers are going to be much improved this season if only for the pieces added to the pass rush. Being from Southern California, I got to watch almost all the Chargers games the past couple seasons and the main difference last year was the lack of a pass rush which exposed the secondary because they had to cover for so long. It’ll be different this year with Merriman back and Larry English added to the mix.

by ghsu on Jun 29, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Division Rivals Cause Close Games

Divisional games always seem to be close—especially at the professional level because there is less variance in talent levels—especially in the NFL.

A person in good health in a Western liberal democracy is, in terms of his objective circumstances, one of the most fortunate human beings ever to have walked the surface of the earth.

by schraggyj on Jun 29, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for taking the time

to get a lively debate going. I think you made valid points and I also appreciate how you didn’t just dog us, you actually gave us props on our secondary.

Personally, I don’t hate Rivers or the Chargers for that matter, at least not how I do the Broncos. Rivers is a great QB and I don’t think trash talking your opponents makes him a douche. I’m actually going to miss the Jay v Philip rivalry.

There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!

by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 29, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

No problem

I like KC and I respect the fans/stadium more than any other in the league. There’s nothing more fun than when the Chargers and Chiefs are fighting for the division and playing in Arrowhead.’

For the record, everyone would’ve been happier with my answers if the Chiefs never brought in Cassel. I, and other Chargers fans also, believe that Thigpen has a bright future in the NFL.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thigpen

I bet if you took a pole of AP members, 30-40% would rather have Thigpen as the starting QB over Cassel. I admitadly am still on the fence. I personally am excited about packages featuring both Thigpen and Cassel

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jun 29, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thigpen 30/40%????

We all Know Cassel is a better QB! Anytime a reciever is open deep, Thiggy under throws him by a mile. Then the WR has to comeback and try to make a great catch, & we don’t have Gonz anymore. Thiggy will NEVER get that much P.T again in his life.

by Muhammad.Ali.Gates on Jun 29, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not disagreeing with you

But there is alot of Thigpen Bro-mances here on AP.

Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.

by craig in calgary on Jun 29, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way Too Much Bro-mance Here!!!

We need need to admit that Thiggy is a weak option at QB!

by Muhammad.Ali.Gates on Jun 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That said...

Cassel also throws a horrible deep ball. I’d rather the QB underthows and the WR have to come back and catch it, than miss the wide open WR completely like Cassel did so many times with Randy Moss last season.

by gman87 on Jun 30, 2009 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Had to throw that in there did ya?

Great job John :)
Hopefully your site will heat up coming closer to season.
Die hards here but mostly respectfull. Watch out for Jux though.
We turn him lose later in day.
Again thanks for coming over and fighting the good fight of NFL fandom!

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2009 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

haha. The chargers don’t piss me off to much. Especially when John comes in here and keeps it civil with great points.

It’s those damn dirty raiders fans.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Jun 30, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

That’s all I really want. Make me look stupid if you want, but lets do it as analytical fans instead of screaming monkeys. Disprove my statements with facts.

Philip Rivers sucks because he is Philip Rivers. (it is indeed a fact that he is Philip Rivers) =)

P.S. We do have screaming monkeys here occasionally, but they are usually fans of the Raiders or Twitter…

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 29, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am the strongest man in the world.

by LarryDoggyDog on Jun 29, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Keep Edge the hell out of Kansas City

I’m really liking the fact that everyone is underestimating this team…

If we sign Marvin Harrison to a 1 year deal or atleast another WR then I think this team could realistically compete and win 7-8 games.

by CALIFAN1986 on Jun 29, 2009 3:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Have you seen Marvin Harrison lately?

He’s slow and still refuses to go over the middle. How do you think he’s lasted this long?

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 We've been debating vet WR additions all offseason

And based on replies it seemed as though Jones and Toomer got the most interest.

by GenericBrand on Jun 29, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

He’s right, Harrison is so done, he just hasn’t admitted it yet, if we were going to go old vet I’d prefer someone like Amani Toomer.

There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!

by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 29, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to mention he shot a guy

That’s got to come back and bite him in the ass at some point

I could get more sacks with my sack

by ArrowSpread on Jun 29, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

You'd think

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was fun

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Yep the discussion here today that you participated in was very good and it’s nice to see the opinions of other objective fans.

I think we can expect the same good chatter with MHR, they have some pretty good guys over there but the SNB day could get scary.

by GenericBrand on Jun 29, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me be the first to point out from a rednecks point of view,

we aint building fucking Rome!

We are assembling a team loaded with smart football players who can and will kick the other 31 teams in the ass and laugh about it.

"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"

by Lanier63 on Jun 29, 2009 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

Bob Lanier?

Actually, that would explain this comment.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey John, just like to thank you for your insight. But I mostly want to commend you for rigorously defending your team in such a professional manner in “hostile territory”. It’s really difficult because fans will be fans and most of them are bias and your views may be bias as well. It’s hard to have people criticize your own team when you have so much optimism built up for the new changes. Sometimes its good to see the other point of view even if I disagree what you say about our Chiefs. I think overall, it gives a more slightly more realistic middleground of the overall picture of where things stand so far for both teams. However, nothing is set in stone. I feel no need to try to argue any points about what you said because I honestly have to see how they play on the field period. We are just constantly throwing around stats and opinions and no one really admit they are wrong. It’s purely speculation. I just want to see great football and cheer on my team no matter what.

by worc on Jun 29, 2009 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes

but only because you think Rivers is suddenly going to drop from being a top 5 QB to a third stringer. That thought blew my mind.

"I did not invent the wheel, I was the crooked spoke adjacent." - Aesop Rock

by John Gennaro on Jun 29, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well

it wouldn’t be 31….because we dont play all 31 but i hear ya! Lol.

by Wrestler189s on Jun 29, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure...

that Mr. Irrelevant Succop is a difference maker here. Don’t underestimate the last pick of the draft!! (I’m really not being serious if you’re wondering, but the Chiefs’ kicking game has been pretty mediocre lately…)

by ghsu on Jun 29, 2009 4:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Am I

The only one who thinks that Succop will be better than everyone expects?

by Wrestler189s on Jun 29, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Succop will almost certainly

be the most relevant Mr. Irrelevant ever. That last pick is not so irrelevant when its a kicker.

For justice we must go to Don Pioli

by Sudden on Jun 29, 2009 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 to Wrassler and Sudden

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 29, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Man, apparently I missed the party...

Got to hand it to John (obviousman) to come into hostle territory and tell an opposing view. Props to him for that! I do agree with one point he made, in where we are going to have to be patient. Rome wasn’t built in a day. The idea I’ve been holding on to is that it can’t possibly get any worse than it has been the last couple of years. Now in saying that, it’s going to take a couple of years to right the ship. But, this is the NFL…who knows what could happen. We could be a freak 10-6 team that comes out of left-field and demolishes a really tough schedule. Regardless, Go Chiefs!!!

Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations

by carthagechief on Jun 29, 2009 4:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks for the good chat John and for putting up with the unnecesary Rivers "hate"

Your opinions and insights are really appreciated. Some of us are more sensitive then others but you held your own and represented a professionalism today that we would expect based on the example set by our main writers prime, chris and conner.

I’m looking forward to the MileHighReport report(ha) as I would expect it to be simillar to this but maybe with more humility after the offseason theyve had. The Silver and Black report though …. look out itll probably get ugly.

by GenericBrand on Jun 29, 2009 5:58 PM CDT reply actions  

I just want to point out that...

If we’re going to nitpick on O-Lines, wasn’t Cleveland’s rated number 1 last year?

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on Jun 29, 2009 8:54 PM CDT reply actions  

193 replies at the time of this post

Charger fan here Connerman. First off props to John for the impartial and indepth analysis.

All that said I think the Kansas City Chiefs have several HUGE characteristics that push them towards greatness every season. And first off we see it here in this thread – 193 replies to this topic in less than 24 hours. The fan base is so extensive and so involved. At the end of the day everyone in the organization has a higher degree of accountability to the community.

Second in my mind is Arrowhead stadium. They built that place with amplification of crowd noise in mind. As a kid I was always so impressed that Arrowhead was every bit as noisy as the Kingdom. The AFC West doesn’t have Seattle to kick around anymore, but I honestly expect every visiting team to loose a had full of plays every game just due to the crowd noise at Arrowhead.

Keep the faith KC fans, things will improve soon.

I don’t see either of these advantages changing in the near future

by Trendsearcher on Jun 30, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Thanks Trendsearcher

I think I might be last again. I want to Rec. your reply :)

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 30, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

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