Herm Edwards on 2008 Chiefs: 'I was coaching a college team'

Always An Excuse For Herm

Thank God the Chiefs fired that guy after last year. At the rate he was going we could have tied the Lions’ record for futility this season. And we had enough punchlines in KC sports with the Allard Baird/Buddy Bell/Tony Muser-era Royals.

By the way:

“We lost seven games by seven points or less last year,

Most teams in the NFL have about half their games decided by that many points each year…good coaches actually win some of those. If Herm doesn’t realize that, then he really was clueless and had no business running an NFL team.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Also

“I’m big on integrity. I feel like I’ve left each team better than when I started. I feel like I’ve helped a lot of players

It’s nice that he wants to help players out, but his job as coach above all else was to win games…not be their dad. I don’t really care how much the players looked up to the coach of a team that won six games in two years and got worse every season. He obviously wasn’t helping them be better football players.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Reason #1 why the 2009 Chiefs will be better.

“his job as coach above all else was to win games…not be their dad”

by GenericBrand on Jun 28, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cheers For That :)

It bucked me up from hearing that Billy Mays just died.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

what a joke

herm.. you have a serious ego problem . the fact is you ( herm ) imo are the worst head coach in chiefs history . #1 you and carl took a good team that was inherited from vermiel and broke them down to nothing to try and assure you would keep a job in kansas city . your final decisions in the play calling was absurd !! what coach would give the ok to call a running play on 3rd and 17 when your down points ? what coach would call 4 str8 passing plays on the 2 yard line when your up by 4 late in the fourth only to fail and lose the game ? im just so glad this guy is gone . its a shame that he is on espn now because everytime they ask him about the chiefs he is gonna give his same ol excuses and us chiefs fans are gonna have to grit our teeth . do us a favor herm ..please work very hard to get a job in one of these 3 cities.. san diego..denver or oakland .

by chiefsgonzo88 on Jun 28, 2009 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

On The Plus Side

I don’t think we’ll have to worry much about Herm criticizing the team. Apparently he went out of his way during the draft coverage not to offer an opinion that would offend anyone…to the point where he really wasn’t offering much in the way of commentary or analysis.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What Herm inherited from Vermiel was

an aging team of veterans that were at or near the end of their careers. There was no way that team was going to last through another season with the 2nd oldest roster in the league. The purge of talent was inevadable.

I’ll concede the point that making the team younger should have occurred more slowly than it did, because jumping in head first and fielding the league’s 2nd youngest roster wasn’t the answer. But he had to go whole hog because Carl, Denny and the rest of the decision-makers, not just Herm, tried to wring another year out of their aging team. All it got them was an NFL record number of carries for a running back and a backflip into the playoffs, which was promptly squandered.

So with most of his contract tenure spent on a failed patch job for the existing roster, he finally got what he had been lobbying for his whole time here, which is a young, fast, athletic team with lots of potential. Unfortunately very little of that potential was realized before the front office shakeup brought the axe down on his neck.

You can’t just blame Herm for our previous couple of years. As we all know, there were more circumstances involved than simply a coach fielding young players or having too conservative of a game plan or making a series of questionable game-time decisions (at least in a Monday Morning Quarterback, Loveseat Coordinator perspective that us fans just love to partake in). Herm wasn’t the only person making decisions. There was an entire organization contributing to those decisions, not just a head coach.

Anyways, I’m not sitting at home typing this in a “I love Herm” t-shirt and I don’t have a candle-lit Herm Edwards temple of worship tucked in a corner of my living room or anything. I just feel like he’s being made the scapegoat when he was only part of a complex problem that fielded one of the NFL’s worst teams in history.

by Tadpui on Jun 28, 2009 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If It Makes You Feel Better

I always thought it was more Carl Peterson’s fault than anyone’s. And Lamar Hunt’s for keeping Peterson long enough to allow him to hire Herm. Peterson never should have been allowed to stay once Vermeil retired.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

Totally agree

But I truly never thought Vermeil was the best choice either…..

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jun 29, 2009 6:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Never Had Anything Against Vermeil

He squeezed a lot out of the talent he had on-hand and produced well. The Chiefs were not going to the Super Bowl with the defensive players Peterson drafted, but Vermeil taking them to 13-3 with one of the league’s worst defenses was pretty damned impressive.

And, lest we forget, Vermeil wanted to go defense in the draft where the Chiefs got Larry Johnson, but King Carl decided to pass on Troy Polamalu so he could trade down and grab Johnson (who sat on the bench for two years while the defense stunk). All things considered, I think it was one of the top five bone-headed personnel moves of Peterson’s tenure.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jun 29, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't really have anything against Vermeil

I think he is a great coach and really liked him way back with the Eagles. But I just didn’t think he was the right guy for the Chiefs job. Considering what he had to work with he did very well. His problem was Peterson mainly. I think King Carl should have been gone after 10 years, not 20.

And you are absolutely correct about drafting Johnson. The second biggest bonehead move concerning Johnson was not trading him when he was holding out for a new contract. He was a hot commodity at the time and could have at least brought something in. Our only hope now is that all the reports are accurate and he has his head screwed on right this year, because I think Haley will make use of a guy who can run. I don’t expect to see a pass-oriented offense this year.

Chiefs go 9-7. LJ makes 1400 yards. DBowe makes 1200 yards. Defense #18.

by Zodeman on Jun 29, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed On Peterson

I think the lifespan for a GM in the NFL should be about five years and no more than 10 years. Or three years past their team’s last playoff win.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jun 29, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And It Was Ridiculous That They Paid Johnson after his 2006 Season

Every running back who’s had that level of usage has broken down within a year or two…Peterson was an idiot to give him that contract. I thought so at the time. And that’s not even taking into account his extracurriculars.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jun 29, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Do any of us normal non-NFL people get saved when the roof caves-in on our business?

Herm is no different than the janitor that got fired when the grade school was closed.
Even though Herm was more the Principal than the janitor.

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

sad thing is herm dugg his grave when he

demolished this entire team and started from scratch he didnt have to cut ties with every veteran player. He should have left some type of structure but he wanted a college team .and of course we got crushed and so with that being said a good coach knows he cant win many games with out veterans or leadership on the field and he had neither for the last 2 years.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Jun 28, 2009 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I Think Herm Also Figured

That he’d be allowed to take as long as he wanted to “rebuild” his team and not be held accountable for any results (or lack thereof) he produced in the meantime. And if that’s the case, then the man had no business being in the NFL because there aren’t many fanbases who are going to pay good money to sell out a stadium to watch their team suck for four or five years under a coach who can’t develop players, can’t manage a game and can’t figure out that Brodie Croyle wasn’t a good pro quarterback.

Oh well, at least Herm’s incompetence helped us finally get rid of Carl Peterson.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What the title should read

Herm Edwards “I should be coaching only college teams” ….funny how it wasn’t a college team when we had the best pass rusher in the NFL and what does he do? Bye Bye…we had a hell of a returner who I still thought could’ve done just fine and what does he do? Bye Bye….Brodie Croyle, Page, Pollard, Turk, all GIVEN starting jobs without even earning it. It makes it even funnier cuz he actually believes his own bullshit. What are ya gonna say this year Herm when this “college” team actually makes a run at a division title!?! You overrated glorified Secondary Coach!! If you cant coach who the hell wants to hear your opinion as an analyst?

by KCinIL on Jun 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I completely forgot about how we got rid of daunte

and our return game was horrid afterwards..I’m glad he’s not coaching this team anymore..

Good drafter, very good at relating with players, great with inspiration and I’m sure he’ll end up somewhere eventually as an HC…But I’m stoked it won’t be with the chiefs

by CALIFAN1986 on Jun 28, 2009 10:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Peterson Was The Drafter

And two of the three drafts under Herm were terrible. We got two good players out of 2006 (Pollard, Page) and one out of 2007 (Bowe). At that rate it would take the team between 11-20 years to field a full squad of good players.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dante's time was up

Loved the guy, and I still have his jersey, but he wasn’t doing much of anything when they traded him. The reason why our return game has been terrible isn’t the absence of Hall, but rather because we kept a completely ineffective special teams coach (which can be blamed on Herm). The past few years, the Chiefs have had no concept of how to put a special teams crew together.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Think That's Right

Dante Hall wasn’t all that great as a returner by the time they traded him…returners have a short shelf life in the NFL anyway. The biggest screw-up Peterson made with that trade was using the pick he got to select Justin Medlock (who then, ironically, ended up going to the Rams when we cut him, meaning we traded Hall so we draft a kicker for the Rams).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Biggest Problem With Our Return Game Since Hall Got Traded

Has been that Mike Priefer was running it. He was a horrible special teams coach who should have been fired after his boy Medlock went down in flames (after he’d told Herm and Carl not to bring in competition for Medlock).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only bright spot?

The Broncos now have Priefer.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

Definitely a bright spot. :) Just another nail in Denver’s coffin this season.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Keep Vermeil's roster, folks? Really?

Do any of you honestly think any coach could’ve come in and kept Vermeil’s roster together while having any legitimate shot at a championship? Vermeil assembled a “win now” roster, and I loved watching those teams, but let’s get real. Herm wanted to rebuild when he came over, and Peterson put the kabosh on that, thinking they could compete for a Super Bowl right away. The rebuilding project came 2 years too late, and by that time they had no choice but to start from scratch.

Herm certainly had his issues with in-game coaching strategy, but he had the right idea for this team. We should have started rebuilding as soon as he got the gig, and if we had done that, we might be talking about the Chiefs as a legitimate playoff team now, instead of hoping that they’ll be a playoff contender next year.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

We should have started rebuilding as soon as he got the gig, and if we had done that, we might be talking about the Chiefs as a legitimate playoff team now

9-7, 4-12, 2-14. How does that equate to building towards the playoffs?

Herm was never going to build a playoff team…he wasn’t a good enough head coach to pull it off. And the Chiefs players who ballooned up this offseason should be proof enough of that. Herm ran an undisciplined ship, his players were out of shape, and his 2nd half gameplans stunk. He was never going to be a winning coach here.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Perspective

The 4-12 team was still largely based on Vermeil’s roster, with a few tweaks here and there. They didn’t start the rebuilding phase in earnest until they’d lost 4 or 5 in a row that year. The 2-14 team was the real beginning of the rebuilding year.

That 9-7 team had no shot at a championship, and every legitimate Chiefs team knew it. The fact that they even made the playoffs was somewhat of a shock. But Peterson took that as a sign that we could still delay a rebuilding project. In reality, making the playoffs that year was the worst thing that could’ve happened to the Chiefs.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

that should read...

every legitimate Chiefs fan, not team. I’m not so sure the team knew it.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Agree About The 9-7 Team

But the 2-14 team was getting destroyed by the dregs of the NFL last year. You can rebuild a football team without bottoming it out…in fact, it’s usually better if you don’t bottom your team out because often it’s difficult for those teams to ever rebuild (just ask fans of Detroit, or Cincinnati, or Oakland).

The players getting beat up by a horrible Bengals team to finish the year showed just how little the players cared about winning for Herm.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Case In Point

The Atlanta Falcons two years ago were in exactly the same boat as us. Same record, same situation as far as personnel (too many old, unproductive players), even more dejected fan base than what we had (and they had the whole Vick thing). They built a team through solid drafting and good coaching and made a good run in just one offseason. While their turnaround was dramatic and a bit atypical, they and the Dolphins last year showed that there’s really no reason why a team should have to get worse in order to get better.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

wait and see

It’s hard to judge either team at the moment, because NFL history is replete with teams that had 1 year of remarkable success, then faded back into obscurity (see Bengals, Cincinnati). I think the Falcons are the biggest X-factor, because we’ll have to see how Matt Ryan does in his 2nd year now that there’s a big book on him. The Dolphins, it seems to me, are a bit more stable, in large part because they have a guy named Parcells who’s pretty good at building strong teams for the long run.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They Might Both Regress This Year

In fact, I think the Falcons probably will regress a bit because they lost Keith Brooking and overused Michael Turner last season. But I doubt you’ll see either of them go back to the depths they were before or worse.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Partially agreed

I agree that it’s difficult to rebuild when you’re bottomed out. My point is that it didn’t ever have to get to that point. If they had started rebuilding right away, they could have bottomed out at 6-10 or so and rebuilt the proper way. Instead, by the time the 2007 season ended, they had to decide whether to try and rebuild with a slow, 3-to-5 year process by gradually tweaking, or just blow the thing up and hope that the rebuilding process goes fast. They backed themselves into a corner, so they chose the latter route. Time will tell what that brings, but I don’t think the fact that they were in that corner in the first place can be blamed on Herm.

I’m not so sure that the last game against the Bengals says a ton. They were young players who haven’t played a season of this length before. It doesn’t speak positively of Herm, but I’m not so sure it’s an indictment of him either. I don’t put a lot of stock into whether players “try to win one for the coach” at the end of a losing season- in fact, I think that has kind of misguided some teams in years past into keeping a coach longer than they should have.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If They Had Started Rebuilding When Herm Was Hired

All that would have happened is that we probably wouldn’t have gone 9-7 and the last two years still would have sucked. The lack of player development (very few of “Herm’s” young players have played up to their supposed potential) combined with Herm’s inept gameday strategy and questionable preparation would have undermined the youth movement even if it had started a year earlier.

Plus, I don’t buy this “I wanted to rebuild from the start” bullshit for a second from Herm. He took the job because he thought he had a good team and he wanted to ride it to a championship. If he didn’t realize the problems with that team before he got here (problems evident to anyone who was paying attention) that was his own damned fault for being too incompetent to evaluate a team’s talent level.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Also

They were young players who haven’t played a season of this length before.

And a surprising number of them showed up to this season’s OTAs fat and out of shape. Herm’s lax practice habits were well-documented and the consistent 2nd half collapses of the Chiefs last season threw up two red flags for me, 1) lack of adjustment by the coaching staff, 2) lack of proper conditioning for the players. Both are the responsibility of the head coach.

Basically, Herm let the young guys coast and half-ass their job, then they produced results like a team that had coasted and half-assed their job. I see no reason to believe it would have been any different if he’d come back for another year.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

putting words in my mouth

I’m not claiming that we should have Herm as our coach right now. What I’m saying is that he’s getting more blame than he deserves. Obviously, he deserves a lot of the blame, but that doesn’t mean he deserves all of it.

When he first came over, he talked about the need to play young players. He said that was his deal in NY, and it was going to be his deal in KC. That is clear in my head because a lot of people thought that would be a refreshing change from Vermeil. And it’s well-known by now that Peterson and Herm conflicted as to what to do with the team after the 9-7 season.

As for the conditioning, sure that’s a problem. That has nothing to do with my original point, however. I never claimed he was a great head coach.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Misunderstanding Then

But frankly I think Herm’s getting exactly as much blame as he deserves. He wasn’t entirely responsible for the mess here, of course (Carl Peterson deserves more blame IMO) but he basically screwed up in all the areas of his job that were important. He wasn’t a good tactician, he didn’t do a good job of developing players (other than writing them into the lineup), he didn’t teach them good practice habits and basically he did about everything a coach could do to turn his team into losers.

Not saying that he’s a bad person, but he’s a gawdawful coach.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well paChiefsFan you did say

(We should have started rebuilding as soon as he got the gig, and if we had done that, we might be talking about the Chiefs as a legitimate playoff team now, instead of hoping that they’ll be a playoff contender next year.)
To me that says you do think he is a good coach he just didn’t have enough time. And it is the fault of the coach when his team does bad, he has the final say on what the team does. Peterson may have overruled some coaches on what players to bring in but as far as the game that was all on the coaches.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 28, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Herm had it right that we needed rebuild

But he went about it all wrong. Yes, he was coaching a college team. He put together a college team, and failed to bring in any sort of veteran leadership to teach his college team how to go about their job like a professional, such as how to condition to be able to at least compete at an NFL level.

I could get more sacks with my sack

by ArrowSpread on Jun 28, 2009 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

+1

by tomahawk44 on Jun 28, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My philosophy...

is that we ran a college offense and ran it like we were in college. The defense made adjustments on us, but our offense didn’t make any adjustments after halftime. We just kept trying the same formations and didn’t change it up too much. That is why we lost those games…..no adjustments on offense after the half! Oh and poor conditioning.

by Primmtime on Jun 28, 2009 11:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

+1

A person in good health in a Western liberal democracy is, in terms of his objective circumstances, one of the most fortunate human beings ever to have walked the surface of the earth.

by schraggyj on Jun 28, 2009 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

truth is

when herm came in and took over for vermiel there were really only a few holes to fill through the draft . there should not have only been an effort to make the defense better but there should have been a better effort trying to obtain a good offensive line so that your q.b. who threw over 4000 yards for 3 years in a row so that he doesnt get a concussion from lack of protection and this imo should have been the #1 priority . instead herm was built up as this defensive genius who believes that defense alone wins superbowls when he himself has none under this assumption . i believe that this was lamar hunt paying for his sins while on earth and has finally by the departure of edwards,, has been forgiven . AMEN !

by chiefsgonzo88 on Jun 28, 2009 11:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Ego??

yeahh thats smart…just keep your own ego. I mean Herm I always believe was a great scout and an amazing secondary coach but as far as that goes he should been given the keys to a whole team. of course hes gonan blame it on someone else. Just pick up and go back to Cali and coach a high school team there then shutup. I’m tired of his B.S. playcalling, coaches challenges and a horrible mindset “We will build through the draft” it takes both free agency and the draft you tard.

I hope u doesnt get another job besides coachin High school…thats your somewhat of a true calling

by Chiefs190 on Jun 28, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Making too much out of his words

I’m frankly surprised that so many people are reading his words as an attack on the Chiefs or playing the blame game. I read it as nothing more than saying that there were a lot of young kids on that team. When you read the whole thing in context, that seems quite clear to me.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think

It comes from his usual demeanor. In his interviews he always threw the blame onto the players. Given, the players are the ones that need to deliver, but his decisions had quite a bit to do with the mountain of losses and he would never recognize that.

In that context I can see where everyone is coming from. That’s the tone that I got from this too.

TOUCHDOWN! KAN-SAH-CITY!!!

by TheScootness on Jun 28, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, he runs a football camp at Monterey Peninsula College? Seriously, my wife went there when we lived there a few years back, and I even took a few classes there to brush up for grad school. I never once heard of Edwards’ camp.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2009 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No matter how many years you give Herm he would never make a good team

you have to be able to coach, and he couldn’t! The 2009 Chiefs are not the same 2008 Chiefs. Every player interviewed has said everything is different from when Herm was here. They are learning how to play in the NFL the right way. Herms stamp on this team is gone the Pioli /Haley era has started.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 28, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Honestly, whether things have changed or not, would one really expect players who are being interviewed to say stuff like, “Nope, things haven’t changed. Different coaches; same ol’ story. The attitude is the same.” I sure wouldn’t. I guess what I’m saying is that it’d be best to temper our interpretations of athletespeak.

by burntorangehorn on Jun 28, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Expectation

I think it’s possible the Chiefs can go 9-7 but I think that 7-9 or 8-8 is a more reasonable expectation and if they do that I’ll be okay with their season because it will represent progress. And progress is good enough for this season.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it was obvious things are different

over 300 lbs lost, players are being held accountable for the things they do.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 28, 2009 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was the one behind the youth movement....

-Robbie

by Chiefsfan2012 on Jun 28, 2009 3:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's my take on last year

I think Herm was trying to build the roster the way that his best friend Dungy did in Indy. Indy rarely picks anybody up in FA – they build through the draft. I think thats what Herm wanted to do. Except Dungy had Manning, Harrison, and a few other veterans to provide stabilityand leadershp. Only Tony G and Waters were the leaders. That’s where Herm dropped the ball – rather than adding a couple more solid vets to the squad, he just fielded the team with new guys left and right.

I don't have a girlfriend. I just know a lady who would be really mad if she heard me say that. -Mitch Hedberg

by mistamic on Jun 28, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Herm Edwards

I feel Herm was the worst coach Kansas City ever had. Look how well the Jets did when he left. He stated that he felt like he was coaching a college team with 20 rookies, that was his fault because he got rid of all the players that made the Kansas City Chiefs.

by subwaymike on Jun 28, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Herm

I do agree that Herm was coaching a college team last year. Because his dumb ass BUILT a college team. His plan was “draft well”? That is not a plan, it is a given.

You cannot draft your whole team. Even the most casual fan knows that (what is most disturbing about that is that Clark Hunt, groomed his entire life to take over the Chiefs ownership, backed this idiocy).

For those who would like to blame Vermeil for Herm’s ineptitude, Vermeil did not inherit a bunch of kids either. Herm could have built the team the same way Vermeil did (which, at its height, went 13 – 3).

I don’t really understand why we went away from the blueprint Vermeil provided. He built one of the greatest (THE greatest?) offenses in Chiefs’ history, but just couldn’t get the defense together. That is not because his plan was flawed, he tried to draft defensive players; he just sucked at it. Herm, on the other hand, said things like he wanted to keep games close so that they would be decided in the fourth quarter (ummm, WHAT?), that it was OK if the opposing defenses knew the plays we were going to run because they still could not stop them, and all teams must have 4 – 12 losing seasons but Chiefs fan are spoiled because they are not used to it (can you spot the self-contradiction there?). Herm’s THINKING was dismally flawed.

by LarryDoggyDog on Jun 28, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well Stated

I completely agree.

When you bring up Herm’s thought process being flawed, I keep remembering that one comment about Herm I saw from a New York Jets fan who said that he realized Herm was completely clueless when he talked about installing a West Coast offense with a weak-armed QB in the Meadowlands (noted for its high and unpredictable winds). Herm’s just one of those guys who talks in platitudes and cliches without much self-awareness. People tell him that defense wins games, he puts everything on the defense and eschews the offense. People tell him the West Coast offense is a good thing, he tries to install one even if it’s poorly suited to the stadium where his team plays half its games. He finds out that veterans like him when he goes lax on practices, he keeps running lax practices even when his team is filled with young players who need a stronger-armed approach.

The man just didn’t get it.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Couldn't go with the blueprint

What, then, do you think Herm should’ve done? Who should we have kept? Who should we have signed?

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually Those Were Carl Peterson's Signings, Not Herm's

Peterson was the GM so he was responsible for choosing players, The critique of Herm for me primarily centers around gameday decisions and game preparation. It’s too long of a list to name here…if you go back through our threads last year you’ll see his many mistakes discussed quite frequently. The one that probably angered me the most was, after getting blown out and embarassed in the Carolina game before the bye week, he gave the team the week off and didn’t even start looking at film until the following week…after which the Chiefs got destroyed by the Titans and lost two QBs for the season.

If your young team is getting destroyed like the Chiefs were during that stretch, making already easy practices easier is pretty much announcing “I don’t care if we win or lose”. I don’t think any fanbase should tolerate that attitude from their head coach when he produces results like Herm did.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You Know, I Think NJ Is Probably Right

I’m kind of tired of bagging on Herm and I don’t really have anything against the guy now that he’s not screwing up the team anymore. I respected that when he got fired he didn’t stab anyone in the back like Gunther did, or go on a self-pity rant like King Carl. He’s just a thoroughly incompetent ex-head coach who had to settle for an ESPN gig because nobody in their right minds is going to hire him to be HC of an NFL team and he’s trying to defend his performance in the hopes that everyone will forget how terrible he was. Lots of people try to save face in a situation like that and it’s not like he’s running the Chiefs down now so I don’t really feel like continuing to bash him. He did a terrible job and he got fired for it…it doesn’t really matter what he has to say now.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs

+1

If he can’t hurt us anymore forget em

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 28, 2009 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Typical.

This is typical Herm Edwards. Always trying to get a barb in about how it “wasn’t his fault.” That’s been his mantra his whole career. He blames personnel not fitting his system, the former system, not having players that fit his style of coaching, anything to take the blame squarely from his own shoulders. It’s funny that he should now be saying that he was coaching a college team, when it was a team he and Carl Peterson Assembled. Just like the “We earned the playoffs spot” Comment his first year in. The wrong company hired Herm Edwards. That man’s ability to spin should have gotten him a job on Fox News in a heartbeat.

by BetterRedThanDead on Jun 28, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice comment :)

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 28, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

still not getting the context

I really think a lot of you folks are trying to find ways to blast Herm. He didn’t deflect blame from himself. Did he claim he was dealt a bad hand? Did he say the young team was forced upon him? He said simply that they played a lot of close games with a bunch of young kids, and he has no regrets about that.

I’ve heard lots of coaches whine a lot more than Herm has. Leave a dead horse be.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pa

Crawford knows what he is talking about just click on the RED link that is his signature and read.
Better* is a new poster like you and he has HIS opinions too.
Herm is VERY well known here, He’s lucky that anyone defends him at all:)

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 28, 2009 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm a longtime reader

I know Crawford very well. I’ve been reading AP for quite some time now. I don’t post often, but I read. And I very much respect Crawford’s thoughts, as I think he’s astute and thinks carefully. That doesn’t mean I’m not entitled to think he’s wrong on occasion.

As I’m on record as stating, I agree that Herm had a lot of issues with game management and strategy. But, frankly, I think he did a decent job making the Chiefs competitive in a year where they had no business being competitive. Herm couldn’t close those games out, and I agree that’s a knock (a big one, at that) against him, but that doesn’t mean he shouldn’t get credit for making the kids competitive.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I have been lately reading too much or not enough.
Knocked heads with Crawford awhile back and wanted to save someone who might not have :)
UCrawford is well thought out and has an opinion well thought out.
And a BAN stick. :) to Crawford.

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 28, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The Chiefs Went 2-14

They got blown out by teams like Cincinnati and the Raiders. They weren’t competitive in any sense of the word, so I reject the idea that Herm did a decent job of preparing them. If he’d done a decent job of preparing them, they’d have won more than two games.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jun 29, 2009 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

You Missed A Lot Of Our Coverage Last Season

He didn’t deflect blame from himself.

Actually he did it all the time. He blamed the players, the system, the rebuilding process, luck, the fans…just about everything and everyone but himself. Although to be fair, it was an attitude that was rife throughout the organization. His defensive coordinator and GM were two of the biggest weasels I ever saw when it came to throwing people under the bus. But Herm rarely took responsibility for his teams’ continual failings.

Did he claim he was dealt a bad hand?

Yes, he constantly claimed the old roster he inherited was to blame. Funny thing was, he never really answered why, if it was such a terrible roster, he decided to take the Chiefs job if there wasn’t a rebuilding effort from the start. He never brought it up in 2006…only after things started going to hell in 2007 and fingers started pointing at him. Frankly I think it was just another of his bullshit excuses to deflect blame, something he came up with when he couldn’t defend the mistakes people clearly saw him making.

Did he say the young team was forced upon him?

No, he blamed the old roster for his struggles and need to rebuild, even though the age of the roster was clearly evident to anyone paying attention before he took the job. Then every time he screwed up, he blamed it on rebuilding…didn’t matter if he blew a call, made a stupid challenge, didn’t make any halftime adjustments and his players were out of shape. He always claimed rebuilding, even if the fault lay with the coaches and their preparation and gameday decisions.

He said simply that they played a lot of close games with a bunch of young kids

Yeah, actually that was a load of horseshit too. Most teams in the NFL will have at least half their games decided by a touchdown or less in any given year. Otherwise the games would all be blowouts. What Herm failed to address was why he was only able to win one of those games last year. Good coaches win more than one tight game all year, young roster or not…case in point the 2007 Green Bay Packers (who went 13-3 with the youngest roster in the NFL).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.

by UCrawford on Jun 28, 2009 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

still expanding my words

I was talking about this particular quote. Again, all I’m saying is that I think people are taking his quote here out of context. I could give two shakes what he said before. I think people are putting words in his mouth for this one.

by paChiefsFan on Jun 28, 2009 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We're Not Taking Him Out Of Context

It’s exactly the same kind of crap he was spouting last year. It was inaccurate then, it’s inaccurate now. If the Chiefs have success in 2009, it will have absolutely nothing to do with anything Herm Edwards did. He didn’t draft any of these guys (Peterson did that), he didn’t teach them good practice habits (players showing up fat this offseason proved that), and he didn’t teach them anything about winning (because they didn’t win).

Any credit for what happens to the 2009 Chiefs will go to Scott Pioli, Todd Haley, their staffs and maybe some to Carl Peterson (if the players he drafted work out). Herm won’t deserve any of the credit. All he did last year was run a bunch of half-assed practices, show up on gameday and throw a bunch of half-prepared players out on the field so they could lose most weeks. Any of us could do the same thing and still only finish two games behind where Herm finished.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jun 29, 2009 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree on the Herm points

That is the reason I think the Chiefs will be able to compete this year not that we will be great but just with a few key signings and all the new coaches we wont loose the games because of the play calling and we will play all four quarters.
When we do better next year it will show just how bad Herm was at coaching because it will basically be the same team.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 29, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Think That's Right

I think anywhere from 7-9 to 9-7 is a reasonable expectation with this team considering the state of the AFC West. I’d be okay with 7-9 this year.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jun 29, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good ol' Herm

Look, Herm Edwards made more money than I am likely to make in my ENTIRE LIFETIME (which will be spent along the way…I have to pay bills…I live paycheck-to-paycheck) for doing nothing more than being completely incompetent at his job for THREE YEARS OF INCREDIBLY POOR SERVICE.

How can any of you defend that?

And about Hall not being as effective in the return game under Herm, Herm would not allow him to run backwards. As much as my sphincter tightened every time he did run backwards, it was how he did his thing and it usually worked out for the best (sometimes for huge gains).

by LarryDoggyDog on Jun 29, 2009 3:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Herm Edwards is the smartest man on earth.

Just ask him, he’ll tell you he is.

by huskersnchiefs on Jun 29, 2009 7:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He is the pinnacle of wisdom. I hear he is writing a book titled “NASA In A Nutshell”.

by LarryDoggyDog on Jun 29, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that's what he's saying.

I really don’t mind Herm Edwards at all. In fact, I really like the guy. He was just in way over his head as an NFL head coach. But man, reading quotes by him like that last one just pisses me off. He knows he screwed up and he’s acting like he wasn’t the one behind the whole 2008 Chiefs Youth Movement.

Reading the context of the quote, I don’t think he’s shifting blame or deflecting at all. I think he’s saying that, because of the youth of the team — the equivalent of playing a team full of college players against NFL teams — they were unable to finish as strongly as he would’ve liked.

He doesn’t say that wasn’t his fault. He can’t say that because he also takes credit for it saying that he thinks, overall, that he left the situation here better than it was when he got here and, honestly, I think anyone here would be hard-pressed to look at what Herm was handed when he walked in and look at what he left behind and say that he’s not right.

by JacinB on Jun 29, 2009 9:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

RE: I don't think

He inherited a 10 – 6 team and is leaving a 2 – 14 team. Thanks for the “improvement”, Herm.

by LarryDoggyDog on Jun 29, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't need to hear

or read anything more about Herm Edwards to learn anything that I don’t already know. He is quite possibly one of the worst HCs in NFL history. I do not come to this conclusion by taking an article out of context, but by watching the entire 2008 season. It was the definition of “please take the game away from me, I don’t want to win.” I do not fault Herm for blowing up the roster or for the youth movement, because I think both were desperatly needed. I will even give CP a minor pass because I do think that they have assembled some talented players over the last 3 years. But the game managment, player conditioning, and general atmosphere at Arrowhead has been absolutely horrendous for the past few years. Herm stunk at his job and needed to go. It’s as simple as that.

I think the majority of fans who have hatred for Herm would be appeased if he just said “We lost a few games due to some of my decision calling. I wish I had called something different, but hindsight is 20/20.”

Predictions for 2009
1) Chiefs will go 6-10, and still be in the hunt for the AFC West title come December.
2)Bobby Engram approaches 1000 yards receiving
3)Tyler Thigpen is used in ways that the NFL has never thought of/seen before

by Fourstrike89 on Jun 29, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

You are not experts

by any stretch of the imagination, none of you have played for or worked with any Pro Football Team. Yet you all blast Herm and Carl like you could have made better decisions. Pro Football Coaches LIVE with the team. 17 hours a day and when they are not physically with the team, they spend HOURS watching film. Do any of you watch the Chiefs for hours on end, fast forwarding and rewinding over and over again. We as fans only see wins and losses and key players on the team. Have you ever watched a lineman run/pass block when there wasn’t a big play made? Of course not!! You only see the quarterback make a bad throw, or a running back miss the hole. I am a true fan. It doesn’t matter if they are 0-16 or 8-8, they are my team. While it hurts to see them lose, it still back them no matter what. So I will buy my NFL ticket since I live on the East Coast, and when I retire from the Navy, I will be moving to KC so I can see every game live, win or lose. A fan

JJ McCord
US NAVY
mccordjj@lhd7.navy.mil

by OKOYE on Jun 29, 2009 11:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Really?

You are questioning how big of fans we are…when we are on a chiefs fan site talking about the team???

That doesn’t make sense.

There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with management. Of course we can’t do any of those thing you listed or watch hours and hours of film, but it also isn’t our job. This is something we all do for the fun of the game and the love of the team, and if you ask me its pretty shitty to get on a high horse and tell me I can’t question things or have a problem with leadership because I don’t get paid to coach the team.

Herm had a shitty record. He was a bad coach. Get over it.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Jun 29, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Better Decisions?

Could I have made better decisions than “let’s draft the whole team” and “let’s keep games close so that they are decided in the fourth quarter”?

Yes.

by LarryDoggyDog on Jun 29, 2009 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just A Friendly Heads-Up

If you want to trot out that “you don’t know because you never played or worked in pro football” line of crap, you can take it somewhere else. This is a Chiefs fan blog, we’re Chiefs fans and anyone is free to express an opinion on the team. If you don’t agree with what we have to say then make a rebuttal to the points. If all you want to do is bitch at other fans for having an opinion, then take it somewhere else because personal attacks aren’t welcome here.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
5. Larry Johnson will gain 0 yards rushing for the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs.

by UCrawford on Jun 29, 2009 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We are not getting paid multi million dollar contracts to live and breathe the Chiefs.

If I could, I would be happy to trade jobs/paychecks with herm.
I will say this…From what I have seen and heard on AP, there are people here who could have done a better job than Herm. he was an awful coach, terrible, just, really awful and…Bad.

by Chiefsfan1970 on Jul 2, 2009 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs