What They're Saying About the Chiefs Signing Mike Brown
by Joel Thorman on Jun 24, 2009 6:30 PM CDT
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Exactly three weeks ago today, reports surfaced that the Kansas City Chiefs were bringing in former Chicago Bears safety Mike Brown for a visit. That day I asked one of my good friends and Chicago native to let me know what's up with Brown and what he can do for the Chiefs. Here's what he had to say:
Yeah I think hes really good, unfortunately just keeps getting injured. Last year was the most he has played in a long time. He kind of anchored our D…when he was out we couldn’t do as much. I honestly believe we could have won the Super Bowl (in 2006) if he was playing. That said, very small chance you get even 12-14 games out of him.
Now that the report by Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star has settled in, I wanted to take a look around the blogosphere to see what everyone else is saying about the Chiefs new addition.
First, WCG over at Windy City Gridiron was kind enough to sum up a few of his thoughts on Brown's time with the Bears and what the Chiefs might expect out of him in 2009. Here's what he had to say:
From the time he signed along with Brian Urlacher they became the instant captains of our D. Mike Brown could have been a Pro Bowl safety for the next 10 years if injuries didn't come into play.
He has an uncanny knack for being around loose balls. If a ball is stripped or tripped, there is a very good chance he will be around to collect it. He is very good playing up on the line of scrimmage and plays the run very well. If not for the injuries I have no doubt that he would be talked about like Bob Sanders is for the Colts.
The problem is the injuries. Prior to last season he couldn't keep on the field and it made it difficult for the Bears to ever solidify their secondary. Last season he played I believe every game the problem is you could see the injuries had affected him. He has lost a step and isn't as dynamic.
If you can keep him on the field you have gotten yourself a guy who can lead a defense and has a high football IQ. I don't think you will ever get what we had his first few years. The wear and tear has taken its toll. But in situation play or if your scheme allows a safety to play up front, you've potentially got yourself one hell of a player.
Many thanks to WCG for taking the time to help us out. And check out Windy City Gridiron, after all they're the folks that took Jay Cutler out of the division. Plus, it's the oldest NFL blog on SBNation.
Take a quick look over his career stats and then after the jump I've rounded up a few more stories from various outlets on the Chiefs signing the former Bears safety.
| Year | Games Played | Interceptions | Tackles | Touchdowns |
| 2000 | 16 | 1 | 80 | 1 |
| 2001 | 16 | 5 | 51 | 2 |
| 2002 | 16 | 3 | 78 | 1 |
| 2003 | 16 | 2 | 62 | 0 |
| 2004 | 2 | 0 | 9 | 1 |
| 2005 | 12 | 3 | 63 | 1 |
| 2006 | 6 | 0 | 19 | 1 |
| 2007 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 0 |
| 2008 | 15 | 2 | 57 | 0 |
When Brown came to visit the Chiefs it seemed like a match made in heaven. Scott Pioli had already acquired two defenders in Zach Thomas and Mike Vrabel to help stabilize the young Chiefs defense and Todd Haley knew him from their days in Chicago together. Clearly the injuries have to be a concern, but I already feel a whole lot better about the depth at safety.
Bill Williamson over at ESPN's AFC West blog:
Brown gives Kansas City another new leader on defense. General manager Scott Pioli brought in linebackers Zach Thomas and Mike Vrabel this offseason. Like Brown, Thomas and Vrabel are players over the age of 30 known for their leadership skills.
With these three veteran players in the fold, the mostly young Kansas City defense should be brought along nicely. Brown is not a unit-changing player, but he has enough skill remaining that he should help the team if he can stay healthy.
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Some of the responses from AP members have been negative, some have been positive. Me? I approve of the signing. He'll provide some leadership in the secondary. Remember, while the secondary did play well last year, we're talking about very little service time for most of these guys:
- Page (Three years)
- Pollard (Three years)
- Morgan (One year)
- Flowers (One year)
- Carr (One year)
- Leggett (One year)
That's the core of the secondary there, in addition to seven year veteran Jon McGraw. I'm not expecting Brown to be an all-world player but I do expect him to rub off on some of the younger guys. Hey, what can it hurt?
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As stated earlier Brown as a veteran didn't need to participate in OTA's
But what is your take on Why he was signed now?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 24, 2009 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My take?
A) He didn’t want to participate in OTAs and things like that and/or B) the Chiefs wanted to wait until after OTAs to see if they felt like they had enough depth/talent at the safety position.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 24, 2009 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he was shopping
I think he wanted to go around and see what all was available. That he came back and signed here is, I believe, another experienced vet seeing something good going on here and deciding to be a part of it.
by Zodeman on Jun 24, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Was Being Looked At By The Browns Not Long Ago
I think he was trying to find the best deal for himself and in Cleveland he wouldn’t have had to share playing time like he will in KC with Pollard and Page (and, maybe, Morgan…assuming the guy is any good).
Personally, I like the signing. Not a huge risk for us if he succumbs to injuries but a potentially big payoff if he can stay healthy. Hope we didn’t pay too much, though.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 24, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the signing, too, with the pay qualifier
adding a player/coach could have a lot of upside for us, even if he doesn’t play a lot or gets injured. This group’s a little raw, could use some seasoning.
I say we probably get our investment back here, maybe even a big profit for the fans.
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines
by Bleedingredandgold on Jun 24, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, so your saying he came to KC so he could share playing time?
Instead of going to Cleveland where he could start? Who does that..In less he knows he can’t handle a full time spot
by CALIFAN1986 on Jun 24, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cleveland Declined To Sign Him
I don’t think it was Brown’s choice. I think he came to KC because it offered him the best opportunity out there for playing time.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 24, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then whats this say about Bernard Pollard?
Of any defensive players, I would consider Pollard a starter. If a veteran who plays his same position is lured in by playing time, what does this spell?
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 24, 2009 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Competition
But short term, Pollard if the CBA is renewed would be FA and if not we probably have Pollard for 6 years. If I understand correctly.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 24, 2009 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think Pollard's A Free Agent After This Season
This is the last season for the CBA and it’s his fourth year in the league.
As for what Brown means, I think Brown’s just a reserve at this point of his career. He’s never been able to stay healthy enough to be counted on as a full-time starter and that’s probably not going to change. He’s insurance in case Pollard or Page go down or are ineffective in the new D.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 24, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Pollard’s an unrestricted free agent after this season. He’s in the last FA class where players hit unrestricted free agency after four years.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 24, 2009 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the CBA is not renegotiated and we go to an uncapped year...
Pollard will be considered RFA
by GenericBrand on Jun 24, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
byGenericBrand I 2nd that point !
{ Why count chickens before they hatch ? I do eat Chicken eggs ! Please donot tell P.E.T.A.
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 25, 2009 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meaning
you don’t think Pollard will be re-signed?
I think of all second rounders on Herm’s watch, Pollard is the only one to play to level of the spot which he was drafted
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 25, 2009 3:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by KansasCityShuffle
Mi can fly like a bird in the sky however { I cannot get next to byKansasCityShuffle looks like UCrawford on top Steve_Chiefs & UCrawford on the bottom !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 24, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
byKansasCityShuffle
Looks like UCrawford on top Steve_Chiefs & UCrawford on the bottom !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 24, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
If other readers want to play the Twitter game with you that’s fine…leave me out of it. Not interested.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 24, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I { Thought Hey was for Horses ; In a F.H.A> WAy
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 25, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I Said
Leave me out of the one-line irrelevant tweet games.
If you want to make a coherent and thought out point about football or other topics, I’ll be happy to discuss with you. I’m not interested in getting dragged into one line rejoinders. The only reason I’m not warning or booting you for spam right now is because in general people don’t seem to be complaining about you, yet. Spam another topic like you did with the Royals updates on that Mike Brown post last night and that will probably change quickly.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Im complaining UCrawford
Everytime I see new comment its mostly something that is like that its getting old…
by tomahawk44 on Jun 25, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Noted
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also Noted
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thirded
I hate to, but it is really beginning to detract from the quality of the site. If you want to do personal talk back and forth there is an amazing invention called instant messaging. Try it out.
by Zodeman on Jun 25, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Already Handled
I just banned him from the site…I will not accept someone who spams threads with almost entirely unintelligible bullshit. If he pops up again under another login trying the same game, just flag his comments and I’ll make it an IP ban.
Hopefully this will improve the quality of the football discussion.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Worries
I may have taken a too-long sabbatical from Arrowhead Pride while I changed jobs and moved to Arizona, but UC is back now. It’ll all be good. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good deal !
Hope Arizona and that new job is treting you well!
by tomahawk44 on Jun 25, 2009 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Far So Good
I’ll be traveling quite a bit with the job, so I’ll have periods where I’ll disappear, but when I’m in the office the workload is quite light many days and I’ll have time to post.
Ended up moving to a really cool town called Bisbee…it’s basically filled with hippies and artists. And while I might despise their economic views, they still make excellent neighbors and know how to party. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
hell yeah! Works when I normally do my posting as well we are just dead anymore… You gonna be able to make it to Arrowhead being down there?
by tomahawk44 on Jun 25, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably Not
But then I lived in Wichita before and England before that, so I didn’t really make it to any games at Arrowhead anyway. I’m strictly a TV guy. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Just Have To Get Satellite TV Here
So I can catch Chiefs games. Somehow I don’t think standard cable is going to broadcast very many of them.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know if you're interested
But there are a couple sites that stream network broadcasts of games. Not sure on the legalities but it’s how I watched the steelers games last year.
I’m hoping to get a dish and the nfl package this year, but my apartment complex has crazy rules on installing dishes…
I’m just waiting for NFL.com to let you buy a subscription to steam games online..
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Would Be Sweet
But the networks pay a lot of cash for broadcast rights to the NFL games, so I doubt a streaming subscription is coming anytime soon.
Hockey ought to consider that if they haven’t already though.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
4. Larry Johnson has already played his last meaningful game for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's gone before the 2009 season starts.
by UCrawford on Jun 25, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yea Id say youll prob get a lot of
Cards games..Ive been a tv guy the most of my life I live down in SW Missouri in Joplin so I never really made it up there but I went too a few last year including the SD game :( and then the freeze bowl against Miami and Ill tell you what I cant wait to have the old Arrowhead crowd back out there! The only other game Ive been too was back in either 98 or 99 against SD and we crushed them 34-0 and that place was crazy!
by tomahawk44 on Jun 25, 2009 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
I came on here yesterday on a different post and there were ten new comments. So i decided to check it out and they were all by 65toss and everyone was mumbo jumbo. Its getting quite old and annoying to me. I dont even understand what he is trying to say….ever.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Jun 25, 2009 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I on top of byKansasCityShuffle ?
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 24, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're definitely on top of it #65
keep it up
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 25, 2009 3:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
byKansasCityShuffle OooYeahBaby
Time will bring the reaL ; Especially for byKansasCityShuffle I miss you more & more ! Your Pretty Wings Are So Warm Wrapped around Mi !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 25, 2009 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
byjb8609 tHAT USED TO be Herman The Monster
{ What does druuuugs ( ? ) have to due with " Herman The Monster " ( ? )
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 25, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much of the WR
is raw skill, and how much the system, situation, coach, and QB?
Seriously, some guys are just pure talent – and even they can be stuck in a bad sutiation. Moss in OAK, f’rex. I’m sure there were others who looked good in one system, but sucked everywhere else. Considering the shambles the O has been in, who’s to say we don’t have a breakout star lurking on our roster already?
Not saying we do, just that it’s possible.
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines
by Bleedingredandgold on Jun 24, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is entirely possible that we have one
that could break out.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
Order your Arrowhead Pride Wolf Pack T-shirt at ARROWHEAD ATTITUDE
by oldchiefsfan on Jun 24, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe........
they will put him and Pollard on the field at the same time. I like the signing of M.Brown it gives us good depth at DB if he can stay healthy. Being a Bears fan as well he does seem to have a nose for loose balls……..lol wow does that sound gay or what.
by CPT.Caveman on Jun 24, 2009 10:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
This was on here before, but I just wanted to throw it out for everybody.
by TheScootness on Jun 24, 2009 11:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So last year we kept young guys who couldn't play consistently
Now we’re signing Old guys who may not be able to stay healthy consistently due to age, and wear and tear of many seasons in the NFL?
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Jun 25, 2009 7:09 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure that's an accurate assessment
One of the reasons for inconsistency last year was lack of veteran leadership. The old guys this year will help immensely with that. Not to mention better coaching.
by Zodeman on Jun 25, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeppers.I think the young guys will still get most of the playing time.
But like I said earlier in this thread, if they bring in Brown on obvious passing downs, he could be a bigtime playmaker. There is no doubt that he has a great nose for the ball. He has also been known to not only get INTs but, he takes it to the house.
BTW, he does play the run very well also.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 25, 2009 9:15 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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