What Is The Chiefs Biggest Area of Need?
The holes are everywhere. That's an obvious statement. On any team in any sport that goes 2-14, the level of talent is going to be subpar. So the sentiment was - for both fans and the front office: Let's Get To Work.
But now the free agency frenzy is over for the most part. June 1st cuts were nothing to look forward to in this admittedly weird year with the collective bargaining (dis)agreement looming. The 2009 draft is in the rearview mirror and now everyone's going home for some R&R. So with the dust settled, this seems the perfect time to ask the question: What is the single biggest area of need on the Kansas City Chiefs at this point in the off-season?
You could make a solid case for a lot of different areas. The non-existent pass rush that resulted in a league record low 10 sacks doesn't seem to bother our new front office. The linebacking corps that was nearly embarrassing to watch on the field only added the grizzled veterans who were unwelcome on their previous teams. The offensive line added a bit of depth and a journeyman guard, but pissed off our other one. Any other receivers not named Bowe are still as enigmatic as they were before and that's before we traded our surest hands in Tony Gonzalez. Our special teams have been anything but special, yet we didn't really seem to grab the flair in the return game. The list goes on and on.
So what do you think is our biggest need? And are the players still available out there to do something about it before training camp begins? Hit us back in the comments.
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I voted for WR
mostly because I think it is too difficult to discern how the switch to the 3-4 might affect our pass rush.
For the last 3 seasons, most of the time we relied on our 4 defensive linemen to generate the pass rush (it didn’t work fantastically well even when we had Jared Allen) – I think this was because with Law and Surtain fearful of busting a hip, our linebackers were basically required to be in pass coverage much of the time.
The way the pass rush is generated in the 3-4 is so totally different that I have trouble labeling that as our biggest need when we haven’t seen them in full pads, much less in a preseason game against another team (and even then, I imagine the blitz scheme will be rather vanilla – standard “bring both OLB’s” type stuff)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think our biggest need is in the
wide receiver category. Engram and Bowe will do okay. But Engram is getting toward the end of his career and may be injury prone. After those two, what do we have? Someone is going to have to step up or we are going to have to do some creative things on offense to make up for the lack of WR talent.
by G.L. on Jun 23, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot one response
WINS!
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by Lanier63 on Jun 23, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that would be under "other". ;)
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Jun 23, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about instead of "which of these is our biggest need"
It could be more of a “put these in order of importance”. In that case, IMO it’d be like:
- Pass Rush
- Offensive Line
- Receivers
- Linebackers
- Special Teams
- Tight End
- Other
It’s a tough call though. They’re all important! It’s tough to say that anything is more important than O-Line since the Vermeil era taught us that a fantastic O-Line can make even mediocre skill players look terrific.
by Tadpui on Jun 23, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm not sure on that o-line being such a problem
i mean we put a 1st round draft pick at LT
We have a pro-bowler at LG
Picked up a hell of a veteran at RG
A solid starter at C
all there is to me is that RT spot
I think we should invest at spots of bigger need before we touch the O-Line
Before you build yourself up, you must tear somebody else down.
by Zennedy on Jun 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe it wasn't the players as much as it was....
…. the COACH??
…what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent speech were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone is now dumber for having heard it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
by Chef Jim on Jun 23, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I also think we filled
our biggest need and that was got a new Gm and Coach. Because we were so bad the last few years we got high picks in the drafts, so we have some talent. They got some good vets to help the rookies so we are on our way to a bright future.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 23, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted special teams
still a wide open area and a lot of question marks going on there.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
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by oldchiefsfan on Jun 23, 2009 11:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"holes"
aside from the obvious jokes…
I am kinda tired of hearing “this team has lots of holes” or “there are too many holes in this roster to fill in one or two years”
Maybe I’m a homer (ok, I know I am, but that’s not the point) BUT, I don’t see more than 5 major “holes” to be filled at this point…
The team is deep at QB, RB (maybe), DB, DL (believe it or not)
They have solid starters in most positions, or at least ones that can’t be considered a “glaring weakness”
The only exceptions I can think of are:
RT
- WR
KR/PR
some could argue that C, TE and ROLB are question marks, but I’m confident that they will have a solid, if not spectacular, starter.
by stagdsp on Jun 23, 2009 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
not sure what happened w/the formatting there
the “holes” as i see them
RT
Number 2 WR
KR/PR
by stagdsp on Jun 23, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Website puts an automatic numbered list entry when you use the pound sign.
Anyhoo, those are the obvious weaknesses that I see, and I’m not even sure they’re not going to be OK, at THOSE positions. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a move made at WR, but it may be a totally unexpected position, if someone disappoints in training camp. I think they’ve done the best they could to lay a foundation, but I also think they have less real knowledge of what they have, because they haven’t seen any of these guys in pads, since last season, and even then, from a distance or on game film.
by hmills110 on Jun 23, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+2
At least Haley and Pioli didn’t come in slicing and dicing with no knowledge.
alah McDaniels, and even Herm had a small window to prove he might be something besides what the film showed.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you.
But, this is what I think about center, tight end, and right side linebacker. Rudy Niswanger has spent a year in the trenches starting at center. He has that much more experience. If Waters stays at left guard and Mike Goff starts at right guard, Niswanger is playing between two very experienced offensive linemen. With another year under his belt and playing between two very good guards, Niswanger’s play will improve. Plus, the guy is 6’5" and has some leverage over the nose tackles as more teams go to the 3-4 alignment.
At the tight end position, we have some very good young talent. I don’t see a problem here. Probably Cottam will get the starting nod, but the other young players will push him.
As the Chiefs go into camp, they will have fourteen linebackers on the roster. I think Pendergast and Haley will be able to fill all the linebacking positions out of that group. Someone will fall by the wayside, but that is the nature of the NFL.
by G.L. on Jun 23, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
I think Niswanger’s height might hurt him…to get leverage on a NT, you need to be lower than he is – that’s tough when you’re 6’5" and he’s 6’0"
But I do think he will improve just from experience, even if he weren’t between Waters and Goff – Niswanger is a sharp guy, he just needs time to figure out the moves.
The center is the guy who calls the blocking assignments and needs to recognize blitzes – who better to do that than a potential neurosurgeon? =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 23, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The leverage I was referring to was from his long frame.
I was not referring to underneath leverage coming up under the nose guard.
by G.L. on Jun 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, gotcha
yes, the fact that he is probably 4 inches taller than most nose guards should let him use his arms to his advantage.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 23, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted other, Backups
A 2-14 team does have holes, but as stated above, none are Glaring as of today.
The one thing that remains Glaring though is solid proven backups at almost all positions and a few injuries might unravel the 2009 Chiefs.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My vote goes to Tight End....
I believe we have made enough moves (Goff) to clean up the O-line, and Waters is staying IMO. I also believe, with the signing of ZT and the trade with Vrable, we have accquired enough stop-gap players to vastly improve the LBs corp. Secondary is a lock, so is D-line. I would like to see another good WR but I am still putting my bet on Bradley to start producing when the season starts, I think he is one of those players who doesn’t exactly shine in practice but really comes to play on Sunday when it counts. Special Teams is more about chemistry than “talent” IMO and who knows that could click any day. No, my vote goes to TE and not because we lost TG but because we don’t know what to expect from Cottom. I think his recieving skills are good but I wonder about his blocking ability, not sure he is thick or bulky enough, but he may not be asked to block either. That to me is the biggest area of concern and until we see what kind of production we can get from the TE position all I can do is shrug my shoulders.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Jun 23, 2009 1:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We Are Spoiled
In this offensive scheme we don’t need Gonzo type number. Hell, in this offense Gonzo wouldn’t have those numbers. Cottam was drafted for his ability to block. We will get the production we need at TE IMO.
Jerome
by easyjb on Jun 23, 2009 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
My biggest concern
is we haven’t acquired any true 3-4 LB’s to develop.. We’ll be lucky to have Zack Thomas past this season and we may get two seasons out of Vrabel.. Are we trusting undrafted players to step up after Thomas and Vrabel depart?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on Jun 23, 2009 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Thats why I voted linebackers. Pass Rush suggests front 7 to me and as far as I’m concerned we are set on the line for many years to come, so that only leaves LBs. We’re ok short term but I have a feeling the theme of next years FA/Draft period will be LBs and OLine.
by GenericBrand on Jun 23, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless Hali, McBride, or both succeed in the transition
If McBride can get down around 260, I think he might be a beast at Sam in a 3-4, especially in an over with him up on the line next to Jackson.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 23, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a tuff.........
one to call. I would have to go with WR, not that i dont think M.Bradley can get the job done, but can he stay healthy. If we had another wideout , say someone like A.Bolden it would make it that much easier for Bowe.
I would have to say LB’s secondly inside and out, we need some young guys to take over after M.Vrabel and Z.Thomas are gone. I know T.Hali and McBride are trying to play OLB , but im not sure about how well they will adjust. I just get the feeling our defense and offense is going to surprise some people this year, call me crazy but, hey what the hell.
1= WR
2= ILB
3=OLB
4=RT
5=NT
by CPT.Caveman on Jun 23, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
waterboy
Its damn hot out there and we need to make sure we have a good waterboy. Cuz Haley is gonna work their asses off and prove we really had a talented bunch that were out of shape and poorly coached.
by Zodeman on Jun 23, 2009 4:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't hate me but
I think we are set at WR
If they stay healthy!
by fishhooks on Jun 23, 2009 4:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of---
fishhooks, Bowe needs some on his fingertips.
by route 66 on Jun 23, 2009 4:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but talent and skill set wise we are boom or bust there
I think alot of people are greatly underestimating Bobby Ingram even at his age If he plays slot they are going to be a good group even injury prone Bradley.
by fishhooks on Jun 23, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
thanks for being bold, fishhooks
this group has a chance to be very good, as is.
I’m rooting for Taurus Johnson to make the team and contribute… and Q. lawrence to step up on special teams.
That would give a good mix of veterans and young guys.
by stagdsp on Jun 23, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if Q lined up in slot on 1st down and ran a fly?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only if he can catch
which it sounds like he’s been having trouble with (ok, mostly on kick returns).
by Chiefs4Life on Jun 23, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would not that blow up a double cover scheme on Bowe
And whether he catches it or not a Safety has to tag along. One less in the Box for Johnson.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really hope Bradley bulks up,.
All of this OTA and training camp condition couldn’t hurt him, but I’m hopeful that he stays injury free this season.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 23, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WR are a different animal.
Saw Kennison at workplace once and he seemed like a deer. Conditioning ain’t the same when your ankles are the size of a meat cutters wrists! But I am sure I couldn’t chase him down :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gotta be either
LB or NT (depending on Tank)
LB and Pass Rush are basically the same thing now
All solid 3-4 D’s have a solid LB
i.e. Harrison, Porter, Lewis, All NE LB’s are decent
I hope our D becomes what it was in the earily 90’s
Some might not remember but we ran a 3-4 earily in the Marty years and later changed.
by fishhooks on Jun 23, 2009 4:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Pass rush isn't
exactly a position and the defense has been so modified that who knows what it will be like? I voted special teams but that going by last year too. Maybe linebacker is the answer because of the age factor.
by route 66 on Jun 23, 2009 5:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Put me down as "Other"
I see the need for back-ups in areas, What I think is more important than the position is the players themselves. If there’s someone in whatever position that is willing to buy into the system, Wants to be a Chief, and can help in the locker room bring’em in. It’s all about the right “53”, I want a player that’s proud to wear the red and gold, and is willing to work to be the best possible player he can be. So, Yeah I’m an “Other”
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
by KC Fanatic on Jun 23, 2009 5:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah-- Bobby could
make a big difference. Sounds like he’s very consistent.
by route 66 on Jun 23, 2009 5:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
linebacker
First, let me say, I think are starting linebacker group will perform very good this year.
However, 3 of the 4 projected starters will be FA after this year (DJ, ZT and MV). ZT and MV are in the latter stage of their careers, and will probally require 2010 draft picks to be their eventual replacements. DJ, will want big $$$ if he has the kind of year this site has speculated on this offseason. If he doesn’t have a big season, will we resign him?
Tamba and Turk are switching positions, and while I am rooting for their success in this new role. At this time, I believe their ability to play this new position is a big unkwown.
The good news is the 2010 draft appears to be deep at both ILB and OLB, with good young talent in LB, the Chiefs D will be solid from line to secondary for years to come.
by chrisclark_dfw on Jun 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
DJ would have to get resigned as we wouldn't want 3 rookies at LB spots in 2010
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe
they should lock him up in a long term contract this year, before he has a chance to demand huge money…
by stagdsp on Jun 23, 2009 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contract yes somewhere closer to Big than No Respect Money.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But with the CBA up in the air we could if we chose lock him up for another 2 years
and we still have Cassel to figure out.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 23, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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