Overrated/Underrated: Chiefs Edition
by Joel Thorman on Jun 23, 2009 9:00 AM CDT
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In an exercise that has been done twice before (Here and here), we take a look at a few things are that are overrated and underrated. This time, however, it's Pro Football Weekly that's been doing a series on miscellaneous topics using the overrated/underrated model.
The topics range from how to develop a quarterback, out-of-work coaches and 2009 NFL story lines.
For me an overrated/underrated view of the 2009 Chiefs in general would be:
Overrated: Immediate impact of the switch to the 3-4
Underrated: Effect of Mike Goff on the right side of the offensive line
Of course, there are many that will disagree with me but that's the beauty of this exercise.
Click through to see Pro Football Weekly's version of overrated/underrated and chime in your thoughts in the comments section.
Strategy for developing young quarterbacks
Overrated: Treating a young QB with kid gloves
Underrated: Full-scale immersion
I'm always going to go the cautious route. Keep in mind, the play of Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan certainly is the exception not the rule. For the Chiefs, Damon Huard was a better option than Brodie Croyle in the most recent quarterback competition.
Overrated: Mike Shanahan
Underrated: Marty Schottenheimer
This is about right. The last ten years Marty hasn't been much better than Shanahan but he had a hand in with the success of the Chargers.
Overrated: Cowboys' Jason Garrett
Underrated: Falcons' Mike Mularkey
Garrett has to be one of the most overrated. He was the subject of a lot of head coaching rumors two hiring cycles ago. But in the fallout of the most recent coaching purges, his name wasn't floated as much.
Overrated: AFC South
Underrated: NFC West
The Colts are still the class of the South until proven otherwise. Winning at least 12 games in six consecutive seasons will get the attention even though the Titans are coming off a playoff berth. As far as the NFC West goes, if Matt Hasselbeck is healthy and plays well, the Seahawks and Cardinals could both be in the playoffs.
Overrated: Head coach
Underrated: Strength and conditioning coach
Uhh...I think Haley is trying hard to prove the under right.
Overrated: Brett Favre's on-again, off-again future - AGAIN!!!
Underrated: The effects of changes in the NFL pension plan for coaches
I got over Favre-mania back in February.
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Coaching
Overrated: Coddling your players
Underrated: Tearing into your players on the sidelines.
How many US Open runner ups have you blazed with? Way to go, Ricky Barnes.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 23, 2009 9:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Overrated: HTML skills….
How many US Open runner ups have you blazed with? Way to go, Ricky Barnes.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 23, 2009 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching---
Overrated: Thinking that scoring a lot of points is not real football but arena football.
Undererrated: Making the scored board light up like a tilted pin ball machine.
by G.L. on Jun 23, 2009 9:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take a stab...
Overrated: The immediate impact Matt Cassel will have on the offense.
Underrated: The immediate impact (and therefore long-term impact) that Bill Muir will have on the offense.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
by KaloPhoenix on Jun 23, 2009 9:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My hopes for this season
Overrated: Seats in a box suite, I’d rather be in the open air with everyone else, who is broke like me having the time of my life!
Underrated: A reborn Derrick Johnson
I called him out late last year, but my hopes are he will bring a resurgence to his game that we have not seen yet.
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jun 23, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Overrated: How easy we think it will be for Glenn Dorsey to switch to playing in a 5-tech a lot of the time.
Underrated: Brad Cottam (only because Primetime stole Mike Goff =) )
Seriously, I think the addition of Goff will be a HUGE upgrade – Both Niswanger and McIntosh will be able to devote a little more focus to their own assignment rather than covering Jones’ ass, and Goff alone is a major improvement over Jones.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 23, 2009 10:08 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree about Goff
Everyone though weigmann was done and look at him tearing it up Niel Smith style.
by fishhooks on Jun 23, 2009 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patience will be underrated in 2009
Overrated: The loss of Tony Gonzalez
Underrated: An additional 2nd round pick in 2010
We may end up sucking the least in our division this year but it will be nothing compared to 2010 and the years that follow. Our time is coming.
by ChiefsDude on Jun 23, 2009 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Rogue Football Leagues
Overrated – UFL
Underrated – CFL
Happiness is a long walk with a putter in your hand.
by craig in calgary on Jun 23, 2009 10:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Changes for the better
Overrated: Trading Tony Gonzalez is going to make the team worse… Sure, he was the best offensive player but how much did that help in the win column? 6-26 in 2 years.
Underrated: The ability of the coaching staff to make adjustments at half-time to win the game. How many times did the Chiefs have the lead or be close in the 1st half of games only to get badly outplayed in the 2nd half? Herm’s solution? One time he had the players sit on the sidelines at halftime and eat oranges slices as if he was coaching 10 year olds!
by Chiefs_KC on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Overrated – Herms drafts
Underrated – Having good vet leadership
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 23, 2009 10:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I will disagree with Herm's drafts.....
For all he has done to hammer a once proud francise into the ground, Herm had some nice drafts. Look at our roster: Albert, Bowe, Dorsey (yes Dorsey), the entire secondary (with some great diamonds in the rough found), the guy could spot talent especially on D. Make no mistake the KC cupboard wasn’t empty. Herm’s problem was coaching, he just didn’t know what he was doing, from conditioning (as we have found out) to in-game decision making. I would hire Herm right now to be a defensive scout if I were running any program, pro or college, but I’m not so…..
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And look at all the guys he took who have now been cut...
1st round picks should be a slam dunk so disregard Albert, Bowe, and Dorsey.
How many US Open runner ups have you blazed with? Way to go, Ricky Barnes.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 23, 2009 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1st round picks should be a slam dunk
“Should be”? Perhaps…but how many WR’s drafted in Round 1 are “slam dunks”?
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 23, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who has been cut that is or has been of any significance?
The fact that the 1st rounders are not busts and are “slam dunks” is actually pretty damn good. Those are some nice choices right there. Albert: anchor of the O-line. Dorsey: probable achor of D-line if not then a very nice link in the chain. Bowe: The best WR on the team by far and probably in the AFC West, IMO. The best part? They all have been in the leauge for less than 3 years! That is 3 examples of “impact” players from the Herm era. Don’t let your hatred of Herm (not attacking, speaking of general consenses) cloud the fact that he has made some nice picks in the draft.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Jun 23, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just look at New England...
Roughly half of the players drafted in the same time frame (2006-2008) by New England in rounds 4-7 are now gone off of New England’s roster. Granted the talent level to begin with was higher but still, if you can get 1 in 3 of the late round players to be starters or contributors you doing good.
by ICTChief on Jun 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not ready to say the guy is a goo dtalent evaluator because he can pick 1st round guys.
How many guys have we already cut from last year’s draft? Tamba Hali, anyone? He has picked some nice DB’s but is part of that simply because he took a lot of DB’s? Brodie Croyle? Save the safties, the 2006 draft was a complete waste. McBride, a 2nd rounder, has been a disapointing. Justin effing Medlock? The list goes on and on.
How many US Open runner ups have you blazed with? Way to go, Ricky Barnes.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*good talent
How many US Open runner ups have you blazed with? Way to go, Ricky Barnes.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 23, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Herm took 6 DB’s in 3 years odds would say you would find some good ones.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 23, 2009 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Herm sucked in every form of being a head coach
finding starters in the first is not that hard, he did get Page in the 7th but do you think if Herm knew he was good he would have took 4 players before him that didn’t do anything.
Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!
by bringbacktheglory on Jun 23, 2009 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-line
Overrated: Trading away the farm for Julius Peppers. A good player, yes. The long-term solution to the problem, no way.
Underrated: Tyson Jackson, Alex McGee, Tank Tyler, and Glenn Dorsey. Four young guys that are going to work and learn together. One or two of these guys will emerge as a real strength. Two or three will emerge as very solid regulars.
by Keyser Sose on Jun 23, 2009 11:05 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ratings...
Over: San Diego Chargers. Oh yeah, great team, always expected to win the weak West and are again this year. Screw Shawne and his MerryMen of gay homosexuals. Chiefs are coming with a vengeance…
Under: Rebirth of Larry Johnson. Whether we refuse to believe or not, a strong and healthy Larry Johnson will be running with purpose this year. That alone can hinge the fate of the offense because if defenses have to plan for LJ, the passing game is wide open…
KCCHIEFSFAN72
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jun 23, 2009 11:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Coaching quotes
Overrated: Herm- “You play to win the game!”
Underrated: Haley- “we’ve got a long way to go but from where we started to where we’re at right now I think the guys really worked hard every day”
Big difference in between hoping to win and preparing to win.
by GenericBrand on Jun 23, 2009 12:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like that!!
Big difference in between hoping to win and preparing to win
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
by Matt_Grbac on Jun 23, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
drama
Overrated (overblown) : the Waters/Vrabel “drama” of not being at voluntary OTAs… media created BS, in my opinion
Underrated : Giving veteran players until training camp before writing them off as “non leaders”
by stagdsp on Jun 23, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Here goes
Underrated: Cheap Vodka
Overrated: Expensive microbrews
by 63gump on Jun 23, 2009 4:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McCormick's!
How many US Open runner ups have you blazed with? Way to go, Ricky Barnes.
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 23, 2009 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ahhh Bartons is a love hate relationship.
Sorry but cheap whiskey is better than cheap vodka. I’ll kick back some Kentucky Deluxe anyday =]
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 24, 2009 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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