Kansas City: It has to be Matt Cassel. Yes, we're giving the new quarterback in Kansas City the benefit of the doubt. But he was acquired to be the centerpiece of this team. The Chiefs are young and don't have a lot of stars. It is up to Cassel to be an instant impact player and to be the building block of the team.
Irreplaceable, AFC West style - AFC West - ESPN
Though he hasn't played a game, it's hard to disagree that Cassel is the most irreplaceable player on the Chiefs.
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As much as I want Matt Cassell to succeed, he hasn’t played a down for the chiefs. Unfortunately with Gonzo gone I don’t have another answer. I want to say Brian Waters, but geese who knows what is going to happen there.
by TonyG88 on Jun 22, 2009 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Guards are pretty replaceable
QBs aren’t. That’s what I was thinking. Even if he was average he’d probably be the most irreplaceable player on the roster.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 22, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
WAIT!!!!!
Cassell has shown a tendancy to hold onto the ball too long and without those gaurds he won’t be making any throws. I know it’s redundant, but we were the best offense in the league due to our O-line not Trent Greene, sry. I don’t disagree with you much Prime, but I am a little nervous about Cassell.
by TonyG88 on Jun 22, 2009 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Branden Albert anyone???
How about D-Bowe?
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 22, 2009 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
After Cassel
I would probably say Albert.
by Joel Thorman on Jun 22, 2009 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I would go with Cassel if he had completed one pass (let a lone a TD pass) as a Chief. Of the guys who have worn the red and gold in a game, Albert is our most irreplaceable. Who would we plug in without him? Sackintosh? The no-names that haven’t beaten Sack for his job yet? No thanks.
by Chiefs4Life on Jun 22, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like
Herb could fill in for him as a temp. But yes I know he is no Albert
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win chapionships
by DT58forever on Jun 22, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Larry Johnson IMO
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 22, 2009 3:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Colquitt
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains.
Landlocked loungin in the City of Fountains
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 22, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Field Position?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 22, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You nailed it! +1!
Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations
by carthagechief on Jun 22, 2009 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mr Irrelevant is also a punter
If suck up wins the kicking battle, we would be covered here….but maybe not as well ad DC.
by Zodeman on Jun 22, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Id have to say
Bowe
b/c with no TG and w/o Bowe our WR’s get pretty thin after that…. I mean if rex grossman can play in a SuperBowl…..you get what Im saying.
Although I do want Cassel to be great, if we lost him we could plug in Thingpen till we was back
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win chapionships
by DT58forever on Jun 22, 2009 3:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thigpen
lol thing-pen
Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win chapionships
by DT58forever on Jun 22, 2009 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That made me giggle
Strangely, I’m not embarrassed.
I could get more sacks with my sack
by ArrowSpread on Jun 22, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since Thigpen is very close to equal to Cassel, it’s certainly not Cassel.
I’d have to say LJ, because the dropoff from him to his back up is more massive than any other position on the team.
by dablueguy on Jun 22, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cassel and Thigpen aren't close together.
Watch the New England Dolphins game then come back to me.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 22, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I don’t want to get into a “my QB is better than your QB” pissing contests, but I have watched quite a few Patriot games from last year ( and I certainly watched all of Thigpens) and Cassel looked really good. Actually made some gutsy, game winning throws against division rivals, etc. I think Cassel is more ready than Thigpen at this point of their careers to be a franchise guy.
by TheQ on Jun 22, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach Thomas
Because that man looks to have given this defense identity and leadership. Again, another that is a new addition and so its hard to call him irreplaceable. But he is the right man at the right time and comes into a defense starved for some direction and leadership.
But I think the most irreplaceable person in the organization right now is clearly Pioli, the man behind the scenes.
For justice we must go to Don Pioli
by Sudden on Jun 22, 2009 4:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Most replaceable...KC Wolf
/worst mascot in the NFL
Aint got a beach and I see no mountains.
Landlocked loungin in the City of Fountains
by HIV 2 Elway on Jun 22, 2009 4:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Warpaint
the dog and pony show with “Wolf” has played out too long. F the PC’rs who think we’re bashing on the Indians. I’m part Indian and I aint got a problem with it. Kinda makes me proud to see Bob Johnson on ole Warpaint. Bob and the horse will have to be replaced, but what pride would be unleashed on Arrowhead stadium if the new Warpaint and his rider came roaring down the sideline on that first kickoff for the upcoming season?
Warpaint circled the field at the beginning of each game and after each touchdown. In 1975, the Chiefs defeated the Oakland Raiders by a score of 42-10, prompting Warpaint to circle the field plenty of times.
"We couldn’t beat the Chiefs, but we damn near killed their horse." John Madden
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
by Lanier63 on Jun 22, 2009 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1000
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
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by oldchiefsfan on Jun 22, 2009 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its Albert
The word is irreplaceable. If you pull one of our starters(I know Mr.Haley there are no starters yet) out of the lineup, which position would suffer the greatest? If you pull out Cassell and insert Thigpen the dropoff isnt that great. I’m sure we would be at least a bit less effective but Thigpen has shown that he can step in and be a suitable and pretty productive replacement in this league. If Albert goes down who replaces him? And if you’re unsure about Cassel now, how unsure are you without BA there blocking his backside?
by GenericBrand on Jun 22, 2009 4:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's my take on it too.
I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
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by DThomasReigns on Jun 22, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets put it this way....
If Albert goes down for god knows why this offseason(knock on wood) how fast do you think we sign Levi Jones or someone else to replace him? Its the only position that we dont have a known viable option should an injury occur.
by GenericBrand on Jun 22, 2009 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1.
No way it’s Cassel. Thigpen’s nearly his equal, if not better because he managed to put up similar stats without the benefit of playing in New England (ie: Thiggy could’ve won eleven games, too, if he’d been throwing to Moss, Welker, etc.)
LJ? Nope. He hasn’t done anything a rookie couldn’t do since he went down with that foot injury two years ago.
Our only truly irreplacable player was sent to Atlanta.
That leaves us looking at the guys who we don’t have back-ups for and, unfortunately, that’s Albert. I don’t think we have anyone on the squad who can step up and fill his shoes if he goes down.
by JacinB on Jun 22, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never realized
The man crushes on thigpen were so hard around here.
I was all about keeping thigpen as the starter….until I got my nfl rewind account. Seriously guys, best 20 bucks I’ve spent this off season. Go watch some New England games and actually SEE Cassel play. Stats can be deceiving, ie Big Ben.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 22, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasnt meant to come across as a mancrush
More like at least we know we have a reliable backup.
by GenericBrand on Jun 22, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You did come off that way
Thigpen’s nearly his equal, if not better because he managed to put up similar stats without the benefit of playing in New England
is what i was commenting on.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 22, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have to consider
that Thigpens safety blanket was TG…and with him gone all Thigpen doesn’t have anybody reliable. (except for Bowe……….sometimes)
by Wrestler189s on Jun 22, 2009 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly.
Seriously. Anyone who disagrees and thinks thigpen is even close to the QB Cassel is, thats fine. Have your opinions. But please, please, please watch all of the new england games and rewatch thiggys games.
Tell me if it changes your mind. Because it sure as hell changed my mine.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 22, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who would you rather have?
Thigpen instead of Cassel or Mr. Unknown(Herb maybe who knows?) at LT?
by GenericBrand on Jun 22, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes: The very opposite of reliable
I could get more sacks with my sack
by ArrowSpread on Jun 22, 2009 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I noticed that when he quoted that :)
by Joel Thorman on Jun 22, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't talking to you the whole time.
Just to JacinB
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 22, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mancrush? I think somebody jux may be projecting a little
Why is it a mancrush when somebody favors a player that you don’t but not a mancrush when you replay each and every pro game in which your player ever competed?
I looked all around and I couldn’t find any New England games that Cassel played in that didn’t have Moss, Welker, an offensive line and a defense. Thigpen did what he did with none of that.
Yeah, stats can be deceiving alright.
by LennytheCool on Jun 22, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.
I didn’t watch because I loved Cassel dude. I clearly stated above that I watched because I originally thought Thigpen was better but wanted to give Cassel a fair shot. I hadn’t watched any of Cassels games this year except the Steelers one and that was horrible.
I was hoping he was better than I gave him credit for and I got to see it in the games.
If you agree that stats are deceiving, how about you remove YOUR bias and watch the games of both players. I’m not trying to change your mind, I’m just asking you to look at the evidence from both sides.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither you or I have any evidence of which QB will be better
and watching the entire 2008-09 season of the New England Patriots won’t provide either of us with any. Neither Cassel or Thigpen will be playing for the Patriots. They will be Chiefs and how effective either will be is going to be a function of how effective the rest of the team is and how well either will be at adapting to the strengths and weaknesses of the 2009 Chiefs.
I didn’t watch 50+ hours of Patriot football but I did watch this: http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/2/28/775637/video-matt-cassel-2008-hig. I see a QB who can run and pass. I also see a guy who hangs on to the ball a long, long time waiting for his receivers. He won’t have that luxury here.
I don’t really have a bias as to which of the two guys will be better. I watched Thigpen get better as last season went on and I would have been comfortable with him as the Chiefs #1 QB this season. The team traded for Cassel and his big contract, so its obvious that barring a complete meltdown on his part, Cassel will be the starter. At the time of the trade I felt the team should have addressed other positions rather than QB, but it is done and I’ve come to accept that having two competent quarterbacks is marginally better than having one.
I don’t know which QB is going to be better. We will have to wait until the season begins to know that answer. But one thing I do believe is that unless the offensive line is truly improved over the unit that took the field at the beginning of last season and the team remembers how to run the ball, its really likely that both QBs will end up getting a lot of playing time.
by LennytheCool on Jun 23, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats stupid
Of course we have evidence to judge which QB would be better. Thats exactly what stats, film, and OTAs are all about. Of course I can never KNOW what is going to happen…it would be pretty ridiculous to say that you could.
And I’m also not saying you have to watch all of the Patriot games to make an informed decision. I just said that it changed MY mind. I can have an opinion right?
What I’ve seen from watching the entire games that you haven’t just watching highlights is that Moss and Welker did not carry Cassel through the season. It also gave a better look at the intangibles that big play highlights and stats can’t show.
Whatever anyway. There are plenty of places you can go debate this, just look for 1 of the 40 thipgen v cassel fanposts. My point is that watching the games and how cassel played when the game was on the line changed my mind about him.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 23, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+10,000.
Cassel> Thigpen…no question.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 24, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Cassel.
Good arguments for others too. The “Patriot way” is to make everyone replaceable. Hopefully that’s where we will be in a year.
by JComp11 on Jun 22, 2009 4:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely Cassel
IMO, he stretches our passing game from 5 to 15 yard throws to 15 to 30 yard throws instead. More wide-outs rather than dump-offs helping to take defenses from “8 in the box” to more conventional sets. That in turn, will help our O-line & the running game which in turn helps the Defense. Its all going to start with him. He will see the streaking Bradley & Devard rather than missing them with the short routes (of Herm’s philosophy)!
by ttownmikey on Jun 22, 2009 5:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blown away LJ's name wasn't mentioned more
Still one of the top running backs in the league.. The guy commands more respect from opposing defenses than anyone else on our entire offense..
Remember when defenses used to game plan around him? Larry’s gonna have a resurgence this year!
by CALIFAN1986 on Jun 22, 2009 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
by CALIFAN1986 Thanks for the opportunity to use my Caps Lock !
I see you also disagree with UCrawford ’ s opinion of <> 27 Larry Johnson >< !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 22, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I’d love to see larry return to power, but unless he will block and catch him being on the field is like announcing that the next play will be a run.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 22, 2009 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was doing that more toward the end of last season.
Pass-blocking, that is. Time will tell if he’s become a worker & team player, or reverts to being a prima donna. If he’s smart, he’s been working on his hands in the off-season.
Cassel vs. Thigpen in Camp should improve the play of both.
Next on the need list: linebacker, and both lines
by Bleedingredandgold on Jun 23, 2009 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially this year.
I don’t think LJ gives 2 shits about the team or the city, but with the new front office and his money on the line he is playing for LJ again. He has the talent and if he is playing for his own well being he might stay out of trouble and makes some plays.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 23, 2009 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its funny how
the comments on that blog said “It has to be Phillip Rivers because hes the best player in the division”…My ASS! And if TG were here he would be the best in the division…hes had that crown for a very long time. And whats up with the “honorable nod” to Shawn Merriman? He shows he cant succeed without his sterioids, and look at him now when hes off of them…HE GETS HURT!
by Wrestler189s on Jun 22, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's funny how few times I've heard that
I haven’t heard a lot of people talking about how Merriman’s game dropped off after he was caught using roids, or how he got hurt after getting off them. It was so obvious that he’s not the same player without the drugs and it doesn’t seem to be making a headlines. Maybe it has and I’ve just missed them.
by Chiefs4Life on Jun 22, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Wrestler189s & Cannot recover ; without his steriods !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 22, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn
Straight! I was worried about him coming back…but when i remembered the season after he got off of them, he went downhill. And who knows if he will ever be back to the same old Merriman. SD is goin south, Raiders are always on the bottom, and Denver is outta here….KC IS COMIN UP!
by Wrestler189s on Jun 22, 2009 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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