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Have the Chiefs Solved Their Second Half Scoring Problems?

KANSAS CITY, MO - NOVEMBER 2: Ronde Barber #20, Chris Hovan #95, and Tanard Jackson #36 of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers dive for a fumble by running back Jamaal Charles #25 of the Kansas City Chiefs during the game at Arrowhead Stadium November 2, 2008 in Kansas City, Missouri.

KANSAS CITY, MO - NOVEMBER 2: Ronde Barber #20, Chris Hovan #95, and Tanard Jackson #36 of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers dive for a fumble by running back Jamaal Charles #25 of the Kansas City Chiefs during the game at Arrowhead Stadium November 2, 2008 in Kansas City, Missouri.

The second half collapse. The Kansas City Chiefs made an art of it last season. We lost on TD passes in the fourth quarter. By blowing a massive lead. A missed two point conversion. The botched onside kick. We found virtually every way to lose a game down the stretch. At least it was entertaining.

A Chiefs offensive or defensive collapse late in the game became the common story line threaded throughout the 2008 season. Take a look at the numbers below for an indication of just how much the team dropped off offensively after halftime.

Score By Periods Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 OT Pts
Chiefs 68 102 33 88 0 291
Opponents 77 141 106 113 3 440

Clearly, Scott Pioli and Todd Haley cannot allow this trend to continue. We've heard some much about conditioning this off season that you'd think it was the team's biggest problem. Maybe it was but I don't think so.

After the jump, I take a look at what may have caused the Chiefs to collapse late in so many games last year and what the team has done to address that problem. Make sure you vote in the poll too.

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The Flawed Conditioning Argument

Last season, when the Chiefs began to develop a pattern of collapsing in the second half, many fans pointed to Herm Edwards' "light" practices as the reason the team couldn't hack it for four full quarters.

The basic idea behind this argument is that the Chiefs got tired in the second halves of games, thus losing many, many of them. For that argument to be true, at the very least you'd expect to see the Chiefs' average  points scored go down in the second half while points allowed by the Chiefs' defense would increase over the first half averages. Right? The more tired you are, the less points you score and the more points you give up on defense. That's the whole idea behind this argument. To say conditioning was the major factor for the Chiefs' problems closing games, those numbers have to move like that.

And they really don't move like that.

Points Scored
Points Given Up
Game Avg.
Game Avg. 
Total 18.2
Total 27.5
1st Qtr 4.3
1st Qtr 4.8
2nd Qtr 6.4
2nd Qtr 8.8
3rd Qtr 2.1
3rd Qtr 6.6
4th Qtr 5.5
4th Qtr 7
Overtime 0
Overtime 0.2

If conditioning was an issue, why did the Chiefs score more points in the fourth quarter than in the more rested first quarter? Why is the second quarter the Chiefs' worst defensive quarter? That doesn't jive with the poor conditioning argument. Also, why is the third quarter by far the team's worst scoring quarter if conditioning was a major factor? Shouldn't the team be rested after half time?

You see, the conditioning argument for the Chiefs' second half collapses doesn't mesh with what actually happened on the field. Also, on an anecdotal level, I don't really remember any players huffing and puffing in the second half of games. At least not consistently. I'm sure there were a few guys out of shape but it wasn't prevalent enough for me to notice. 

You did have older guys on the team who just couldn't hack it physically anymore, like Damon Huard. But that's an age thing and not a conditioning thing.

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Come on Damon. I'll buy you an ice cream after the game.

Why was the offense so ineffective in the second half then?

The Chiefs actually averaged almost the exact amount of points allowed in the both the first and second halves of games. Which means, with last year's yards allowed per game hovering around 400, our defense was just friggin' terrible. I can't put it any other way than that. They didn't get tired or call simpler plays that the offense read more quickly and accurately. They just sucked.

Now the offense, on the other hand, scored quite a bit fewer points in the second half of games than the first half. 170 to 121 in fact. That's a difference of over a field goal a game. If the Chiefs bump their second half scoring up to the level of their first half scoring, that wins/ties us in three more games last year.

What explains this sputtering second half offense? And can better conditioning help it?

It's my opinion, and Herm Edwards said this some time late last season, that when you have an inexperienced group of players, you don't have the same number of plays to fall back on to mix it up as you do with a veteran corp of guys. The Chiefs, because the vast majority of the team last year was playing together for the first time, weren't able to reach back into a deep repertoire of plays and quickly add some wrinkles to their offense when the defense figured them out. Most of the team, and I mean most of them, were learning this offense for the first time, with a new offensive coordinator no less. You hear a lot about rookies learning offensive and defensive schemes this time of the year because it can be pretty difficult to do. Imagine coming to Kansas City in the early part of this decade as a rookie and having to learn Al Saunder's 700 page playbook. That's a lot of studying.

The 2008 offense was predictable because there simply weren't that many plays the team could run. I know many of us, myself included, chided the coaches during the season for their inability to adjust after halftime last year but I think that this inexperience argument is the argument that best explains the Chiefs' post-halftime failures.

I've never really thought conditioning was an issue during the season, at least for the vast majority of NFL players. You're practicing multiple times a week in addition to just finally playing regular season football. Most players get jazzed up enough about that to not let themselves go.

Has the team addressed the cause of this problem?

Having one year under the belt for many of the second year players will undoubtedly improve this team. That wide-eyed, almost in awe feeling is something a lot of players talk about after their first season in the NFL. The addition of the veterans, heck any veterans, should help speed up the learning process for many of the younger players as well. That mentoring may not make much difference in how fast a player learns but all of this little stuff adds up. Also, Chan Gailey is on year two of this offense, whatever he ends up running. Many key players have one year experience with him as well.

If inexperience caused the Chiefs to disappear in the second half of games last year, then the obvious solution this year is to somehow add experience, whether through free agent veterans or by the natural process of a player going through a full NFL season. And the Chiefs have both of those things going for them this year.

I thinkg we're going to see a big improvement, night and day even, between last season and this season when it comes to second half performance. This team is one year stronger, more confident and we don't have Herm Edwards. All three of those things are huge.

Poll
Have the Chiefs done enough this off season to solve their problem of collapsing in the second half of football games?
Yes
125 votes
No
154 votes
Not sure yet
234 votes

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I had the wrong stats in the first table

We did not score more points than our opponents last year. Darn stat program I use jumped back to 2005 for some reason.

Fixed now.

by Chris Thorman on Jun 19, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like the stats, but I think it is as much coaching as conditioning.

Look at our lowest totals for quarters and it is when we come out of the locker room. 4th quarter was our second best comparing points scored. The conditioning is a great start, but I think the coaches will have these Chiefs prepared when they hit the field.

Go get them Haley and company.

by Helmets on Jun 19, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Writeup

In terms of conditioning, maybe where it really showed last year was the number of injuries we had. Especially on defense. Combine inexperience with guys who you normally wouldn’t even have on the field and you have a recipe for, well, what you saw last year. Add to that a HC and DC not really having the same philosophy and it just gets worse. There is so little difference in talent level from team to team that conditioning can play a huge role. That little bit of quickness, ability to move just a little better, having one more strong play toward the end of the game….while guys may not have been obviously huffing and puffing, the small differences add up.

I also remember Herm talking about the defensive breakdowns…that with the young guys it was always someone different missing assignments, not just one guy being really bad. We will just have to see how well they adjust to the change of scheme this year. With the youngsters all having another year of experience, I think we will see much better overall play on both sides of the ball. Saw that article in the fanshots about Robertson and Studebaker that gave me some additional hope about our D, and I think our overall coaching is an improved group this year as well.

On another post I commented on the Right Guard position…that Mitch Holtus mentioned it as being the weakest position on the team last year. Dropping Adrian and adding Goff will make a huge difference. Add that to three of the guys now having a year of experience at their positions, a line coach with a great track record, and you have the makings of a solid line. That should allow us to have more plays to run that actually work. I think overall, we have done a lot to overcome the problems from last year. If the defense continues to force turnovers like last year, and the offense can actually put up some points off of them………….

by Zodeman on Jun 19, 2009 8:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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by Chris Thorman on Jun 19, 2009 8:27 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

3rd vs 4th

In a lot of ways, the 3rd quarter was the problem, not the 4th.

That, to me, indicates a lack of halftime adjustments and focus… not necessarily a lack of conditioning… though better conditioning should help a lot.

That being said, if I remember right, the Chiefs had quite a few “junk TDs” in the 4th quarter, which skews the stats a bit.

Better coaching, more experience, better schemes should all help move the team in the right direction.

by stagdsp on Jun 19, 2009 8:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep, exactly stag

Those three things you mentioned at the end will erase this terrible pattern of ineptitude.

by Chris Thorman on Jun 19, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Junk TDs

That’s what I was going to say about the 4th quarter stats. We were always in a rush to score (a lot) at the end of the game.

by Joel Thorman on Jun 19, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe adding in 2 minute drills to the equation would be necessary.

How well does the Chiefs compare to others in the league in the 2 minute drill during the 2nd quarter, and the 4th quarter. Granted it would not be a said all be all, but it would add to discussion.

Conditioning, and poor clock management(including play calling) seemed to be the big 2 in my books.

by ravenhawk on Jun 19, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

situational football

Situational drills and competance are a hallmark of the Patriots. That’s what makes them so good (ok, that and some other things)

Haley was very clear that much of training camp will be devoted to situational football, and being prepared for any scenario.

by stagdsp on Jun 19, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

3rd Q hurt!

To me the problem was that we tried to stay in the games in the 3rd quarters rather than continuing to try & win the games but we didn’t have the defense to do so & the opposition just continued to run right over us. That 3rd quarter differential tells me a lot.
This year we should do much better in stopping the run, as well as having improved our own running game with an improved O-line & a “better-behaved” & more focused LJ. I don’t see Haley trying to just stay close. He seems to be a more “gas on the peddle” type coach.
Looking forward to this year!

by ttownmikey on Jun 19, 2009 9:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

but if the games weren't close

…then Herm wouldn’t have been able to showcase his supreme mastery of the art of clock management.

Good assessment, Chris — and 4th Q garbage time is a consideration, but again keep in mind that we’re talking about Coach “kick a field goal down 40 to the titans with three minutes left,” so the numbers are probably more realistic than you’d expect.

Whenever someone implies that McIntosh having more time to gel with this offensive line will improve things, I can only shake my head.

by ExtraMetal on Jun 19, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, shake your head:)

McIntosh and Niswanger are going to be much better this season than last.
With a year to learn and play in new positions and a Very good line coach you will be very happy to have kept both in 2009.

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 19, 2009 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Junk TDs/Ball Control

Great analysis, Chris! But the numbers do lie a little. Stag mentioned junk TD’s, which is important. Also, how many games were we playing from behind? I lost count! When a team is conservatively running out the second half on us, it makes our defense look better, at least marginally. So the second half numbers don’t translate into what I saw watching the games.

And I watched every game. Many defensive players WERE out of shape, and many6 of them took plays off—they were on the field, but they weren’t playing 100%. When they were giving everything they had, they were caught in over-pursuit because they were too tired, poorly coached, or both. Likely both.

by Pilcrow on Jun 19, 2009 11:42 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, one of the things I like about talking football

is that there are so many wrinkles to so many arguments. Like you said about the junk TDs. The numbers in football are rarely exactly what they say they are.

by Chris Thorman on Jun 19, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Analyzing the 1st half should tell us what the 2008 Chiefs were about.

We were winning at halftime both games we won, I think, and never had a 2nd half comeback.

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 19, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Herm is gone. That and that alone will solve a myriad of problems that befell this team the last 3 years. Lack of conditioning, lack of accountability, lack of adjustments.

by dablueguy on Jun 19, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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