Should The Chiefs Sign Plaxico
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 12:07 PM CDT
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I have been giving this a lot of thought. I think the Chiefs should attempt to sign Plaxico immediately. They guy is a great receiver, has Super Bowl experience and can really, REALLY help our offense. He would give our passing attack a dimension we haven’t had in a long time. Haley has experience working with two elite receivers. As good a Bowe is, if there isn’t another receiving threat ala Tony G, I think it is going to be difficult for him to be as productive as we would like. A line up of Bowe, Engram and Plax with Cassel throwing the ball and Haley/Galey calling plays is pretty intimidating for any defense.
I think this move would give us fire power on Offense and make things easier for our defense by actually accumulating points and first downs. It should also help the running game.
via www.hollywoodcollectibles.com
I just read on ESPN that the trial for Plax has been pushed back and probably won’t happen until after the season. Plax has already been suspended 5 games last year. He is unlikely to face further disciplinary action until the 2010 season and he will probably not serve any jail time as most first time offenders in NY don’t.
The guy made a bone headed move. Maybe he is kind of a jackass but he can catch the ball and as long as he isn’t a locker room cancer, I think we should pick him up. Give the guy a fresh start and give our offense a much-needed spark. He gives us a chance to be more competitive NOW while we fill holes in net years draft. If Plax puts us in the playoff hunt and gets our young team some playoff experience ahead of schedule, even if he is only around for a year or two, I’d be pumped.
I think he is worth a shot. It isn’t often a guy at his talent level is sitting out there as a free agent for the taking and it isn’t like we don’t have the bills.
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If his court date has been moved until the end of the season...
Then, we would not have to risk him being suspended again or doing jail time until the season is over IF we just signed him to a one year deal.
He is the kind of player that could change everything for the Chiefs offense. Burress is a dominant force as a WR and most DBs can’t cover him. He is a bigtime playmaker and I would love to see us go after someone like him. (short term only at first)
I agree
I think if you have the chance to upgrade your team you should do it. I don’t think he is going to come in and be a locker room cancer.
I would bring him in and interview him. I mean, the guy HAS to have learned some kind of lesson. I know if I shot myself in the leg it would scare the living crap out of me.
A lot of these guys are thretened a lot and carry guns for protection. I bet if I was an NFL star, the Sean Taylor thing would have scared me.
Now I don’t know if Plax was concerned about his own safety or he was just trying to be a bad ass and have a gun with him. I hope it was the first and that he has since learned their are better ways to protect yourself. However, either way, I think there is a good chancehe learned his lesson.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Whats he guilty of?
He’s a bit dramatic? Haley will yell that out of him in a hurry. He shot himself in the leg? Only an idiot would shoot himself in the leg twice. He can’t handle big cities where theres trouble to be found? KC isnt exactly NYC.
Sign him to a 2 year deal, incentive laden with a self inflicted gun wound clause just in case he is truly an idiot.
Yeah
You don’t hear much about Moss in the news since his Patriot days started…except that he catches a shit load of TD passes.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
but Pioli did feel comfortable trading for a WR that ran over a meter maid.
Wow…there are some STUPID WRs in the league…
by thejesuslizard on Jun 15, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Patrick has a good point......
Moss has changed as a player since he went to the pats,no more BS! I dont think we should sign anyone who might want to be the #1 WR, D.Bowe is and should be our #1 WR this yr! Signing Plex would only cause problems IMO! I would rather get A.Bolden if the price wasnt so high, you get no BS with him he’s a straight up guy!
by CPT.Caveman on Jun 15, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
eh
I don’t buy this #1 recievercrap. Get open the most and you’ll be #1, that is the way I look at it. If you have another good recieveropposite you, your life is easier, not harder. It gives you more of a chance to produce than if you are geting double and tripple teamed all the time because the #2 guy is Jeff Webb.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
and I mean
- reciever idea in general, not your idea caveman.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree with Paddy
plus, I think Plax is just going to be thankful he has gainful employment at this point, even for 1-2 years.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 15, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Your right
having 2 good WR’s only helps the team,and with B.Engram playing slot, that would be a great WR core! Plex just comes with to much baggage…..is he a good WR……….yes he’s great but at what cost to the team! I thought we were trying to get rid of idiots on this team like LJ………..Plex shot himself in the leg…………..he cant be to smart! LOL hell if we are going to sign people because they will be thankful for the employment we might as well sign Vick im sure he would be thankful!
What are you screaming at!?!
When every sentence ends with an exclamation point, it loses its meaning! KIND OF LIKE WRITING IN CALL CAPS!!!
Have you seen that Seinfeld?!?! The one where Elaine, working as an editor, inserts too many exclamation points into the book! Man that show is funny! I may be getting used to this screaming dealie!!!
Thats your comment?
Youre here to nit pick my comment’s cool!!!!!! You have nothing to say about the post just want to bitch like a women!!!!!!!!! Is it that time of the month HIV?
by CPT.Caveman I hear by promote you to Major !
Looks good to me ! I give it my STAMP Of APPROVEAL !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 15, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
What were you expecting HIV
he is but a humble Caveman.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
by HIV 2 Elway I missed that memo & I don't recall the chapter or verse !
Please Enlighten us !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Happy to help...
by HIV 2 Elway { Does not " make yourself look good on line } Imo !
When you had a disagreement with jux,woodman212,paratrooper & etc { I felt compelled to come to your aid ! Diversity does count ! I am a rel ’ a-tively " newbie ! I never knew ; { Before today}{ There are 10 Netiquettes by IISaiNtII ! Soybon’ ! Savo’a Bien ! I still donot know any chimpanzee’s ! Other than Majic Johnson { HIV is cruel an unforgiveing virus ! Just maybe you should reconsider your use of " HIV 2 Elway " ! Why spread " HIV " ?
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 17, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
First off
I’m in here just to see what’s going on with the team and what people think about what’s going on. If you dont like the way i type i could really care less. As far as your remark toward me being a chimpanzee that’s cool if you want to resort to name calling like a punk, after all RULE#5 Make yourself look good online……….. you failed when you chose you ID! I’m not here to judge people on how they type, i’m not that much of a A$$HOLE.
The way you type
reflects on how people will gauge your comments. Type like a 12 year old, and you can expect that sort of reaction. Type intelligently and your comments will be more well-regarded.
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6. After witnessing the 2009 draft, their record will be 8-8.
Interesting...
Rule 10: Be forgiving of other people’s mistakes If you do decide to inform someone of a mistake, point it out politely, and preferably by private email rather than in public. Give people the benefit of the doubt; assume they just don’t know any better. And never be arrogant or self-righteous about it. Just as it’s a law of nature that spelling flames always contain spelling errors, notes pointing out Netiquette violations are often examples of poor Netiquette.
Take it for what it is.
I could get more sacks with my sack
by ArrowSpread on Jun 17, 2009 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
You know what
Maybe i’ll just quit coming in here, so you guys wont have to read my shitty typing. I’m sorry that i’ve been working constuction since i was 16 to help my family out. I’m sorry that i didnt finish my schooling and only have my GED . I’m sorry that i never took typing and cant type to your standards. I’m sorry that you guy’s gauge a person on how he type’s, i guess my pedigree is just not up to standards to be a chiefs fan.
Keep coming
You are a fan, part of our brotherhood. I want your opinions whether or not I agree with them. I for one have no trouble understanding what you say. And I find what you say about your history to be respectable and honorable. Don’t let nitpickers get you down.
Don't sweat it Caveman
Keep coming back. Bitching and moaning are part of the game. You and I have gone the distance in the past. Now look at us, we’re on the same side for this one. Don’t let’m get to you.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by CPT.Caveman
I Could Not Have Typed Your Comment Better ! I agree with CPT.Caveman 100% ! This Is not a " TYPE-ING " Class ! Arrowhead Pride Is Alive & Well ! Go Chiefs ! Keep Up The Good Work CPT.Caveman ! I am with you 100 % !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 17, 2009 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions
by HIV @ Elway
I don"t Know any chimpanzee’s ! Judge not lest ye be judged ! I prefer to entertain !
by 65tosspowertrap on Jun 17, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Well
Obviously LJ is still here and probably will start the season, so that’s not exactly true that the Chiefs are trying to get rid of “idiots”.
Plax hurt himself and up until that point he did noting but perform, including being a SB MVP. Vick was the financer and organizer of an illegal, underground, betting orgainization that focused on the abuse of animals. BIG difference.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 15, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Everyone was..........
wanting to get rid of anyone who could be a cancer to the team, that was what i was talking about, hasnt Plex had some trouble with the law?I know what Vick did and i have never like him, i was just saying that because im sure he would be thankful to have any team sign him. IMO any player thats gets in trouble with the law is a idiot and wouldnt play on my team no matter what the deal was LJ is a punk who like to beat on girls, i dont like him and never will,if Plex has had trouble with the law then NO i dont want him on the team!
Everyone was wanting to get rid
of anyone who could be a cancer to the team, except the guys who matter, Pioli and Haley. If they think Plax can play and contribute to the team, then sign him up. So far, I trust KC’s braintrust on these matters.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 15, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
So as long as
There a great player it’s ok to beat women? I dont care how good a RB he is……….if you beat on women and cant stay out of trouble youre a cancer to the team and should be gone! If Plex doesnt want to have to pack a gun for protection maybe he should stay out of places he need’s one. I dont care what you say…….. these people have million of dollars and if it was me, and i wanted to go to the bar……… i would just put one in my house and have friends come over, not go out packing a gun!
Where did I write
that it’s ok to beat on women? I wrote that the two people who make personnel choices for the Kansas City Chiefs obviously don’t think, that at this point and time, LJ is a cancer to the team. If they wanted Plax, then they would sit down and talk to him, the way Pioli and BB did with Moss, and make the decision. All we can go on is what we read from media sources. We don’t have access to the information the front office does, maybe you do, but i don’t.
Calm down.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 15, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
where did i say that you said that it was ok to beat women?I’m pretty sure it was a question to you “hence” the question mark.
That wasn't the tone of the conversation
I was writing about the decision making of Pioli and Haley in terms of personnel decisions. How I or we as fans feel about players will never influence their decision making.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 15, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I keep hearing about LJ beating on women...
I do NOT recall him being in trouble for beating on a woman. (if I am wrong, please correct me) I remember him being in trouble for spitting his drink at a girl in a nightclub. I also remember him being in trouble for threatening a girls boyfriend in a nightclub but, I don’t remember him being accused of actually HITTING anyone.(I am not saying I am right, I am just saying that I never heard of him hitting a woman)
I don’t know if you have been to nightclub or not but, I do know this: WOMEN TALK SOME CRAZY SHIT IN NIGHTCLUBS SOMETIMES.
I am not sticking up for him but, I am saying, I have had some drunk bitches say some crazy shit to me before and if I wasn’t the person I am I probably would’ve punched one of those bitches square in her grill.
I am NOT defending LJ but, if he didn’t actually hit one of these girls, I don’t think its right for people to be on here calling him someone who hits girls.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 15, 2009 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Thass right, CPT.
For me, the gun’s to protect the home and the people in it, and for when I’m out in the woods. Any place that’s crowded that requires me to go strapped is never going to see my face or pry a dollar outta MY wallet!
Will a move be made
Once OTA’s wrap up and the coaches have time to evaluate where the team is at. Do you think the Don will go after more recieving help/LB/OL help?
Or are we done signing people?
Paddy
That's the big question, Patrick.
I can see Pioli moving in any number of directions, as the evaluations of the players continue. For all we know, KC might already be set at WR, and be more worried about Tank Tyler at the nose, or Turk McBride at LB. And who knows who’s going to pull up lame before or during training camp? Right now (as ever), they need to exhibit patience. If they go all-out for a big-name/big-contract player, it could leave them wrong-footed down the road.
Not sure about Plax’s health. Not sure (yet) what the most glaring team needs will be, but OL and WR kinda jump out as works in progress. But this news on Plax ratchets him upward on the list of potential options.
Is it postponed to the end of regulation, or is it sometime in, say, late February or March? We’d want him to be available for the SB, baby!
I think .........
M.Bradley is not that bad of a WR, with him Bowe ,and Engram, thats a pretty good WR core! I really dont see why people think we need another WR.
Most question his ability to remain intact for 16 games.
The departure of Tony G. definitely suggests they’ll want more from their WRs. Tony G was a great stats guy, but I’m looking for more GAME-deciding catches from this year’s crop. Tony couldn’t rack many of THOSE up in losing efforts.
M-I-S-S-O-U-R-I...
is the correct spelling, but yes airfly, it all depends on which part of the state you claim residence. I now live in San Diego, where I have for the last 10 years. However, I was born and raised in Buckner, 1/2 hour East of KC, and I still say that I’m from Missourah. Regardless of pronunciation of our beloved state, I’m with anyone else who thinks we should think long and hard about Plax. Anybody who can give us a better shot at bringing home more"W’s", then I’m all about it…
KCCHIEFSFAN72
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jun 15, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Bring him on!
Oops, sorry about the exclamation point.
Plaxico is probably the only true game changing offensive player who is available right now other than Boldin. If we were able to get him our offense would be SICK. He is one guy who could turn a pretty good offense into a Championship calibur offense.
I honestly don’t think Pioli will go after a player like him at this point but, when the Chiefs are ready for that one guy who can make a difference, I am sure the Don will pull the trigger like he did in NE with Moss.
Our team just isn’t ready yet to go after a big name, big money guy like Burress. At least that is how Pioli will probably see it.
Plaxico is probably the only true game changing offensive player who is available right now
Don’t forget Levi Jones, dude could come in and lock down that right side.
Bring on Levi
He’s really the only one I’m hoping we land.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Don't think you can compare the acquisition of Moss with potential Plax acquisition
Keep in mind that Moss was wasting away in the black hole, desperate to get out; that man has already been to the edge and has seen first hand just how bad it can get.
The Patriots had already won 3 Superbowls with a seemingly constantly changing lineup, and had shown the ability to dump any player and insert another at will and keep winning.
The respect Patriot players feel is matched only by the Fear Of Loss they experience knowing that management/coaches will not hesitate to pull the trigger on anyone at any time. I feel this is one of the main reasons Pat players perform at such a high level, and also so Low Maintenance.
That system was already in place before Moss got there, with everyone on the team already on board. The Chiefs are trying to develop a similar culture. Once that culture is established, then it is much safer to try potential cancers like a Plaxico, keep in mind this guy was fined record amounts of money by his own team for missing meetings, not a team first attitude. The gun incident just adds additional color to a not so good picture of who Plax is.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 15, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
I'm sure all those things would be factored into a decision.
I’m just not sure, yet, whether making a splash at WR in FA is necessarily the answer. I don’t think you want to waste big bucks on a high-profile and potentially high-maintenance WR until you are pretty certain the offense playing beside him will be able to get him the ball in good situations. When the QB isn’t getting any good looks down the field, it’s a double-whammy in terms of frustration level for any of those Randy Moss/Terrell Owens/Chad Ocho-Cinco types.
Moss doesn’t even really care anymore if he’s getting the ball all that often, as long as what they’re doing makes sense, and they’re winning games.
And look how long it took New England to bring in Randy Moss. They had a successful program in place, and it was TIME to look for the best damn WR in the league. If history is much of a guide, and I understand the history, ‘most all the positions will be vetted by the Pioli crew before they make a big splash at WR. And if they DID go for Plax, I think it’d mean they thought the other 10 guys on the field would get it done. Boy that’s an ugly construction.
Anyone who says no.
What is there to loose, especially with a one year contract?
The only thing I could think of is the potential for al ocker room cancer, and I don’t think that will fly on Haley’s team. So when consider the potential versus the risk, it seems like an easy decision to me.
Best case scenerio: Plax gets signed and plays to his full potential helping his number and Bowe’s.
Worst Case: Plax gets signed and sits on the bench all year. We release him at the end of the year.
I’d play that lotto =]
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
After more reading more literature about NY State gun laws...
I’m changing my answer to no. He’s going to jail and probably the longer he stalls the trial the longer he’ll get locked up for. Supposedly delaying this to September revokes his right to plea bargain already so I don’t think this will end well.
Plax is a d-bag
and doesn’t really fit in with “the right 53” IMO.
Didn’t he leave Pittsburgh under fairly negative circumstances? I don’t understand why so many insist on falling in love with every big name out there. My hope is that we develop a system where solid “team” players can plug in and be productive rather than continuing to cater to the delicate egos of one prima donna after another. I’m not even sure why this post is so active. I’d be surprised if a guy like Plax is even considered by this organization because of his character issues, and it seems to me that we already have enough 1 or 2-year contract type guys as it is (see our LB corps), and even then, those guys are high character guys.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Randy Moss is an asshole too
But he went to the Pats and shut his mouth. No one is suggesting that the team brink in Plax to “cater to the delicate ego,” we are suggesting he come in, shut his mouth and catch touchdown passes for us, much like Randy Moss did in New England.
The Chiefs should be careful here but if you’ve been paying attention, Haley and and Pioli aren’ t putting up with any crap. If they bring in Plax, he will be on his best behavior, I guarentee that. They way our team is set up this year, the only think that will happen is he will help us win ball games. If he comes in acting like an ass and he is causing problems, we can release him.
The Chiefs have been a bad football team and there aren’t too many guys on the team right now who know what it is like to win. We could use more winners, which is why we picked up Vrabel and Thomas.
I trust Pioli and Haley and their judgement. If they think they can reign Plax in and make him part of the team it would be foolish not to seriously consider bringing him in. Unless you think Jeff Webb or Devard Darling are going to put up career numbers, the Chiefs need recieving help.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Still need to let the cement dry on this Chiefs foundation
before considering Plax typ guys IMO.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 15, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
If you look at the older guys they did bring in, Vrabel, Thomas, Engram… They’re all high-character guys. I’ve been saying it since before the draft, it’s going to look and feel mighty plain and dull around here but that’s the way it’s gonna be done. I don’t see Plax as a fit. I’m not saying he’s no good, I’m just saying Pioli and Haley are inheriting enough d-baggery with the likes of LJ to want to go out and find more of it.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
LJ
“Pioli and Haley are inheriting enough d-baggery with the likes of LJ "
Maybe but LJ hasn’t given them a single problem…it’s early but it the can get LJ under control, coming to practice, working hard and keeping his mouth shut, then they can get Plax to do it.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 15, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah well
his entire Maybach lifestyle depends on being on this roster when training camp starts. Once that hurdle is behind him and his guaranteed money has been preserved, let’s see how he does.
Plax on the other hand is still on the front-end of his legal troubles and that’s baggage that may end up hampering his ability to participate even if he does behave himself.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
True
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 15, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for taking the time to read mine
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 16, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions
On the other hand
Levi Jones is still on the market
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Yeah, Nanz.
Having some depth-in-quality at tackle is something I’d feel better about than just standing pat with Goff and Brown. Ghiaciuc? For all I know, he might just be training camp fodder, and KC might still be worrying about C.
They should be worried at center.
Biggest weakness on the team IMO
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 15, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
seriously
I honestly believe Niswanger has every bit of potential to start for KC for a very long time.. plus how badass is it going to look when we have a starting o line that consists of two undrafted linemen!?
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Yeah, Nanz.
Having some depth-in-quality at tackle is something I’d feel better about than just standing pat with Goff and Brown. Ghiaciuc? For all I know, he might just be training camp fodder, and KC might still be worrying about C.
Get a RT
Move Sackintosh inside to guard which might be a better fit for him and Goff to center.
by GenericBrand on Jun 15, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Screw Plax...
let’s get Brandon Marshall in here. It would be perfect for him to come to KC and get to face his old team twice a year. Besides, Denver just signed Brandon Lloyd from Chicago. It’s like they anticipate that Marshall won’t be there this season. IMO, he’s better than Plax and has proven he is a worthy receiver year in and year out. Yes, he is also a jackass off the field, but it’s his performance on the field that we’re concerned about here. Yes, Haley would silence his mouth around the players and he would contribute nicely. My only concern would be the whole who’s the #1 receiver argument, but Haley could also bitch-slap him on this too. However, like another post already, who gives a shit about #1 or #2, as long as both produce. Bowe and Marshall? How about B Squared? That’s one helluva tandem for Cassel, don’t you think?
KCCHIEFSFAN72
I would rather have plax.
The asking price for Marshall (if he is even traded) is going to be over what Pioli will trade.
Plax is basically free…
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I think Plax is a better receiver too.
He won’t be around as long as Marshall but, Burress is the freakin Man!
If you DONT think he is the man, watch the NFC Championship game vs the Packers. He schooled Woodson and Mckenzie that whole game. He was talking trash too. He got in their heads and told them they couldn’t cover him and then, he showed them. He is the kind of guy who can singlehandedly change an offense. Ask Eli, I am sure he would say the same thing.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 16, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
The Donkeys
will never trade us Marshall. Not for 2 first round picks and a har of Marr Cassel’s ball sweat for McDumbass. Never.
Paddy
I don't understand why this is a debate.
Nothing in the NFL is ever guaranteed, especially player acquisitions and their performances. If you want to nitpick, you could find reasons why we should have a lot of different players.
I really can’t see why anyone would disagree with signing a WR who has been to a put up great numbers for multiple teams, been to a superbowl, and comes with little to no risk. Anyone who is against aquiring Plax, please explain to me what we have to loose. Cap space for a one year deal?
And seriously, enough with this “locker room cancer” garbage. This phrase has been so over used in the last couple of months it makes me want to vomit. If a player is a distraction to the team it speaks more to how the team is being run in the upstairs office and the HC’s ability to control his team than it does to the player. Players are distractions because they are allowed to be, and I really can’t see Pioli/Haley allowing that.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Jun 15, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with you
If Plax has no suspension ahead of him why not bring him in for one year… That is if he comes here.. If I had one year in the NFL before I possibly go to jail for up to 6 years I’d be signing with the Steelers or Patriots
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Pat's won't pull the trigger
and the steelers already got rid of him once. On to KC!
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
well then you go to the next tier of elite teams with good QB's
Baltimore, Indianapolis, Chicago, Atlanta, Giants, etc. etc. Kansas City has got to be pretty low on priority.. But I’d love to see Plax playing for us
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Well for starters
His next court appearance is Sept. 23 and he’s bound to have numerous appearances leading up to his trial which will most likely occur in early 2010. Each and every time he goes to court, it will be all over the news. I’m not saying he’ll be a “locker room cancer” but when your teammate is in the news for things like this on a regular basis, you know it’s going on. That has a tendency to be a distraction. Whether or not this is a significant distraction is probably irrelevant because you’re right when you say Pioli/Haley won’t allow it. They most likely won’t even consider him because of it.
Then you always have to consider that Goodell loves to hand out suspensions to players with legal problems. Who the hell knows how that’s going to play out.
Is he a good player? Yes, he’s a natural. Will he behave himself? I have no doubt he will because his future depends on it. Will his situation be a distraction to whatever team he is on? Bank on it! There will be forces at work that will be beyond the control of Plax or the front office of whatever team he’s on to prevent it from being a distraction. It would be great and all, but I see it as a fan-dom pipe-dream that Pioli won’t touch with a 10-foot pole.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
You may be right.
I may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic were looking for ; ].
But I really disagree. Look at Holmes, he got busted on possession charges and it was a news story when it happened, but the subsequent court appearances weren’t a media circus. Plax is good, but he’s not the face of the NFL. He didn’t kill anyone like Ray Lewis….he just shot himself.
And I can’t speak for what Pioli would do, but I wouldn’t be turned away from him because of a potential media hay day.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I wouldn't mind seeing him in red and gold this year
but just the same, I’ll agree to disagree on this one. I just don’t see this team being a haven for second chances.
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ok
Is a guy that packs a gun around to clubs and ends up shooting himself in the leg a distraction…….. i think he is, maybe it’s just me ,but i dont want wanna be thugs on the team. My guess is PIOLI thinks we aready have that big name WR ……….and his name is Bowe. Pioli is a man that wants players who concentrate on football not how tuff they think they are by packing a gun. Why would they take a chance on Plex and spend all the money it would take to sign him then have it blow up in there face’s? The DON doesnt do stupid things like that.IMO if M.Bradley stays healthy we should be just fine, if not then it wouldnt hurt to have 1 more good WR, but not a big money guy like Plex.
by CPT.Caveman on Jun 15, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't know him.
He committed a crime and should pay the legal punishment, but don’t get all judgmental. He didn’t hurt anyone and it’s a bit unfair to label him a thug because of one incident.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Dude, I am sorry but, I think you are freaking CRAZY!!!!
Seriously, you wouldn’t want a guy like Burress because you are worried about a distraction???
This is a guy who can take an average offense and turn it it into a Super Bowl offense just with his presence on the field.(See NY Giants)
Bring in a guy like Plax with the addition of Matt Cassel and better play from our Defense and we are instantly contenders.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 16, 2009 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
why not just
go for levi jones like some have already said
I'm of the belief
that you can get away with mediocre second and third options if you have a solid #1 (Bowe) and a lot of time for routes to develop.. If your line sucks you better have fast shifty receivers who get out of the break quickly to compensate
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Or a tough, mobile QB.
Chiefs are 2-deep in tough, mobile QBs. With Goff helping us at guard, the KC o-line doesn’t look all that much worse than what Cassel had in front of him last season. If you don’t believe me, go to game films and keep an eye on the NE right tackle. But you’re right. As it stands now, I don’t expect a whole lot of time for the KC QB to stand in the pocket. About the only chance of seeing that is if the play-fake actually scares people. And there’s a fair chance of that.
But short term, I expect teams will try to blitz Cassel all day long, stuff the run, and dare ‘em to go over the top to Bradley/Darling. KC’s QB will have to hit on that one or buy time with his feet, and, unless something dramatic takes place at wideout, the onus will be on the QB to buy time with his feet.
the mobile QB option
often results in instability on the offensive side of the ball. When your QB is out of the pocket your cutting your field in half and a corner like Champ Bailey, Nmandi Asomugha, or Quientin Jammer could shut down your passing game pretty quickly. It’s either we sign Levi Jones to stabilize our O line or pray we sign Buress or that one of our second options shows up big time. Otherwise our passing game is going to be a mess
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
I vote Levi
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Yes
I think we should go after Levi, it wont do anything but help our o-line in the long run. I do think that with the signing of Goff, that McIntosh will be better this year because he wont have to baby sit the RG.
by CPT.Caveman on Jun 15, 2009 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Not to mention...
Cassel has issues with holding the ball too long as is. we dont need a guy on the run who has release problems.
by GenericBrand on Jun 15, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Cart before horse, Nanz.
QB is scrambling because the offensive side is unstable. Cause and effect backwards. But that doesn’t take ANYthing away from the argument that shoring-up the o-line is a good thing. Saw the dreaded phrase “patchwork line” in an article today.
I second that!
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No here
I would much rather watch Haley’s moxie at developing wide receivers and Darling/Webb/Bradley/Engram be a solid rotation and then Johnson or Lawrence or both be rookie wonders. Screw Plax…to many bags to check there. Someone said what’s the worst that could happen….Plax sits on the bench…..well I think the worst that could happen is we miss out on developing someone who could be good for years because we take on a problem child.
first off plax
needs to be a chief . imagine haley with bowe and plax oh my god that would be sick i have been a plax fan for a while the guy just makes plays why not give him a chance fuck it what you going to lose we have a void right now at a play maker get this guy call it a night see u in the playoffs maybe the super bowl
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It .......
Would be sick with him or Boldin, but will it happen, i doubt it.
by CPT.Caveman on Jun 15, 2009 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Not so sure...
that they aren’t doing their due diligence behind the scenes to get Boldin to don Chiefs attire. I know it’s a far cry, but if Haley loves Boldin as much as he announces, then it’s quite possible this could be the surprise of the season. I’d jerk off all over myself if that happened…
KCCHIEFSFAN72
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jun 16, 2009 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Plaxico
I would not be opposed to getting him. I dont believe he is a locker room cancer….seems like all the Giants would welcome him back when asked about him. He just made a mistake….he is human! Some of you are very hard on guys that make mistakes in their personal lives. We are not here to judge other peoples lives. You should worry about your own faults! We are fans of the Kansas City Chiefs! We should want what is best for the organization….if that means a guy that you dont like….deal with it. Plaxico would help our team a lot….you should suck up your feelings for the teams sake. I want to win and win now! However Pioli and Haley have to do it so be it.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
The point is.....
When you become a NFL player you should hold yourself to the highest standards,and be a role model for the kids who watch the game’s. It doesnt matter if they are human……..They get payed big buck to do this and know it when they sign their contract’s. If they cant keep their nose clean then they shouldnt be playing in the NFL. how hard is it to keep from getting in trouble? Their should be no excuse’s even if they are a great player,and thats part of the problem people saying ……..but they would help the team so sign him no matter what they have done.
The world isn't black and white
You can’t just sit there and say “Well, he screwed up once, that’s it, he is a thug, kick him out of the NFL.”
You can think it but the logic is faulty. You don’t know Plax. You have no idea what his life has been like and how he got to where he is now. Being talented and having a lot of money doesn’t erase all the bad stuff may have happened in your life.
A lot of these athletes come from broken homes. Many come from very, very poor homes. They’ve had to go to crap public schools and live in neighborhoods where many carried guns and where drugs were sold on the corner. I’ve never had to walk down a street and wonder if I might get capped by a stray bullet or get umped for my sneakers. If I did, I might feel differently about guns.
I have no idea what Plax’s life has been like. He may have had a wonderful life but I don’t know so I can’t go running my mouth calling him a Thug and acting as if I am not intelligent enough to understand that others have a different plight than me.
Plax is a man. He has to answer for his mistakes, regardless of what his life has been like or why he made the decisions he made. If fans don’t like Plax’s behavior that’s fine but don’t paint the world in broad black and white stokes because all you do is limit your perspective.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 16, 2009 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
As with LJ, Plax or whoever it is, they are still human. They are still boys learning to be men. You sit here and cast these huge judgments over these guys like you were there. I don’t know what they go through, sure it’s easy to say that it was dumb what they did but we heard about it after the fact and hindsight is 20/20. Think of this, every single mistake you ever made, did you have to explain it to your family and friends? How about a million strangers?
That being said I think Plax is a great receiver but I don’t think he’ll be a Chief.
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 16, 2009 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Boys learning to be men
sorry for the ensuing all caps but THE GUY IS FUCKING 30 YEARS OLD.
Came from a tough background, tough shit, he hasn’t been in that background since he was 18. He’s been a professional for 9+ years. I feel that is plenty of time to figure out you don’t need to be strapped in public.
If you are in situations that you do need to carry a gun, then you’re an idiot (ooohhh label), you placed yourself there. After 9+ years of being in the NFL, I think Plax can afford to move out of the hood. It’s solely his fault if he takes the hood with him.
Let’s see this in a mathematical formula: $$$$$$$$ + move out of hood + bring hood with you = dumbass.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 16, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Yaaayeee! YMB, you’re my hero for a day!
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You call him an idiot
I say it’s him being immature, that’s what I meant by calling him (and the others) boys. It’s a different insult but pretty much the same thing.
I’m not saying these guys get a pass for being stupid or doing dumb sh*t but in my opinion Plax or any of these other guys do not owe me some sort of explanation because I am a fan, although I understand a lot of fans feel differently. Does that mean he should be out carrying a gun at a club? I don’t know and I don’t really care. The argument that him carrying a gun is him bringing the ghetto with him I think is sad to only see him as that. Plenty of people who have never been “ghetto” carry guns, all for different reasons. All I am trying to say is we don’t know why he did it, we can speculate all we want but we didn’t experience it. He chose to do it, it turned out bad for him and now he is dealing with the ramifications. Yeah it’s a HUGE mistake, but we ALL make mistakes.
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 16, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't making a mistake in this case the same as bing an idiot?
The first time you heard the story of how Plax shot himself in the leg at a club, what what the first thing that came out of your mouth? I know I didn’t say, “gee. Plax made a mistake.” Lol
The point here is that he’s facing big legal problems and it’s a drama that the press can’t resist. That being said, if they bring him in to be a part of the team, then the team and everyone who follows the team is going to be subjected to the drama of this whole thing. Let’s face it, this is one of the biggest on-going distractions in the NFL today. Who really needs it? I’ll pass.
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Yes
That’s what I was saying, it’s the same thing see:
It’s a different insult but pretty much the same thing.
As for the on going drama, yes I agree with you, we don’t need it, however if Pioli signs him, I’ll be happy we have him. That being said, I don’t think it’ll happen.
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 16, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Who really needs it?
No one really needs it. The question to have to ask your self is if the potential distraction is offset by the potential gains by signing him.
You won’t be able to convince me that we shouldn’t sign a star quality WR because you’re worried about news articles….
Theres avoiding distractions, then there is just being silly. If Pioli doesn’t sign him, he must not fit the plan and I am fine with that. But a 6-32 team can’t be pushing away this kind of talent over fear of the media.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
What if
Someone else had got shot when that gun went off,which i might add could have happened. Packing a gun around is a pretty serious deal to me and so is a DUI, in fact it’s pretty much the same thing.I say that because your putting other people’s lives at stake. If someone was to accidently shot you with a gun or be drinking and driving and kill a family member of yours, i think maybe you would see it a different way!
HAHAHA
You seriously have to be kidding. DUI is the same as carrying a gun?
And wtf is with that what if scenerio. If plax had accidentally shot someone it would be a completely different situation. We wouldn’t even be talking about it because he would be in jail…
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Look at stallworth
DUI = someone dying, thats the same as someone packing a gun and accidently shooting someone.Plex accidently shot himself and it could have been someone else just as easy. Well i can tell you this if you were drunk and ran over one of my family member’s, you wouldnt make it to the trial! Everytime anyone drinks and drive’s they take the chance of running over or into someone and killing them, just ask Stallworth about it.
But he didn't shoot anyone
Why do you insist on making this a bigger deal than it is?
You have to compare it to other offenses just to make your point. Sorry but you’re just plain wrong.
Carrying a gun is not the same as drunk driving. Most people can responsibly carry a gun without it going off. Plax is just an idiot.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
just to be clear
If Plax would have shot someone else accidently, I would agree with you. But he didn’t. He shot himself in the leg, he full deserves to be punished to the full extent of the law, but that is it.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I lost my brother to a drunk driver.
you learn to forgive and move on. if all you do is harbor hate, then you might as well be dead and buried.
“To err is human; to forgive is divine”—Alexander Pope
by thejesuslizard on Jun 16, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry Lizard
We all here don’t sometimes think that what we talk flippantly about was someones else nightmare. Just wipe our eyes and move on with the discussion. God Bless.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 16, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not a big deal
Death has no prejudice. it happens to everyone. the only difference is the delivery mechanism.
i find myself feeling bad for the girl that did it. she wasn’t and isn’t a bad person. she made a stupid mistake. she has to live with that for the rest of her life. in fact, we occasionaly write back and forth. it helps with the healing, and part of the healing is helping those that did harm.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 16, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
I lost my sister and then got sent back AF Boot camp, Cried in the night, and Guys that were from NYC and Cleveland and hell everywhere else never said a damn thing about me being a crybaby.
People are usually good deep down. and THINK about the persons feeling they are talking to. We usually know the people we are talking to better than here.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 16, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry
About your brother Lizard, and i’ll not talk on the subject anymore out of respect for you and your brother.
What if DID NOT HAPPEN
You are punishing him for something that he didn’t do. Yes he had a gun that was not registered. Yes it went off in a public place. He shot himself. He deserves to be punished by the law, that’s it.
As far as your statement regarding if someone accidently shot me or was drinking and driving and killed someone in my family, that would not change my personal feelings on either subject because personally I don’t condone either one. However it is a basic constitutional right to bear arms and even though I personally do not like guns I don’t agree with taking away everyone’s right to have one because there are a lot of dumb sh*ts out there.
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 17, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm going to call BS on this entire line of thinking
It’s a profession. These are professionals. This is a multi-billion dollar a year industry and each team represents it’s home city. When these guys sign their contract, they represent that team and that city and everyone and everything in it from that point on. If they can’t handle it properly then they end up embarrassing everyone else in the process.
I don’t know where any of you got the impression that any of us who would be against bringing in someone like Plax have a problem with some guy coming from a broken home or a rough and tumble past. Nobody has a problem with that. It is what it is. That’s life. You can’t hang someone for the things that they can’t help.
What I have a problem with, and I think a number of others here share my view, is when a guy is making millions of dollars to play a game for “my” team and he can’t handle himself; If a guy goes to a club and spits his drink on a woman, or if a guy goes to a club packin’ heat and shoots himself in the leg, and of course there’s the coup de gras, a guy bankrolls an illegal dog fighting ring, then he let “my” team down. It sucks! That has nothing to do with the guy’s upbringing. These choices were made after they became professionals. Do you really think that’s professional behavior?
As a fan who pays money to watch my team play each and every year, I don’t feel like giving these guys a pass because they had it rough growing up. I had it rough growing up and I’m not making millions of dollars but you sure as hell won’t see me acting like a moron in public. Why should I take an apologist’s approach to some guy who has it better than I do?
I want to win just as much as the next fan, but I don’t see how bringing in another questionable character is going make that happen any faster. I’d rather see them take a year or two or three and build a real dynasty as opposed to offering a bunch of nut job’s a one year deal to see we can make one stick.
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by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 16, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent and well said
The Chiefs want a Dynasty and so do I. We will encounter thugs of our own drafting in time and that is really all we should have to worry about.
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by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 16, 2009 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm so dissapointed
thug on the Web:
hood: an aggressive and violent young criminal
A criminal who treats others violently and roughly, especially for hire;
Please tell me how Plax is a thug, other than some racial definition everyone has for a black man with a gun.
Seriously, a white guy shoots himself in the leg, he’s an idiot. A black guy does it and hes a thug and an idiot.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Plax
was just participating in the pose-off and blew a hole in himself for not really havin’ it! hahaha!
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Thats a crock Jux and you know it
Don’t try to play the race card here.
If you carry a loaded firearm into a an establishment where open container alcohol is sold you go to jail.
Find me a state in the entire U.S. where that is not true.
Even off duty cops are not allowed to carry firearms into open container establishments in Texas, and Texas is one of the biggest "gun-toting redneck idiot filled states in the country.
If a white guy had walked into a nightclub with a loaded pistol tucked into his sweat pants and shot himself in the leg he would have been picked up by the ambulance and the police, handcuffed to the hospital bed until he was deemed “stable”, and then carted off to a jail cell. IF he got bailed out he would have been in a court room inside a month getting sentenced to jail time.
Plax is not a thug, but he’s not following the same laws as everyone else either. We would not be talking about “giving the guy another few million” to play for one more season before he goes to court to decide IF he is going to go to jail if this were not a Pro athlete. His ass would already be in a cell.
Why in the hell would I want to “reward” him by giving him a job on my team and hoping he doesn’t go to jail or get suspended?
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Time out here.
Why are you arguing with me? You agreed with the only point I was making.
Plax is not a thug
Thank you.
Also, You ask..
Why in the hell would I want to "reward" him by giving him a job on my team and hoping he doesn’t go to jail or get suspended?
Why the hell is it our place to reward OR punish him. Can’t it just be about hiring a star who may be unavailable after his first year?
And whatever. Racial is exactly what all the thug talk is. Thug is another word for a black dude with a gun nowadays when it really means something much different.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
And I'm also not saying he shouldn't be punished.
Read above. I clearly say he should be fully punished by the courts according to the laws he broke.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Thug is NOT a racial term...
Someone said earlier in this thread that the term thug refers to someone who has a tendency towards violence and the mental ability and desire to do physical harm to other people.
If you take that as a racial slur then I think you are dead wrong.
This whole kind of talk pisses me off. Everybody wants to play the race card instead of taking responsibility for their actions. I am a white guy and I got in trouble when I was younger. Does that make me some kind of “exception to the rule”? Hell no! If I was an exception then, there were a hell of a lot of other exceptions in prison too!!! Plenty of white people in prison.
This race card crap is exactly what is wrong with our country right now. Everybody feels like they have to be PC so they don’t hurt anybody’s feelings. When it comes to social/antisocial behavior, there is no room for peoples “feelings”. If someone breaks the law, they should be willing to step up and take responsibility for it no matter what race they are.
This goes for international affairs too. Someone needs to tell president BO that it doesn’t matter what religion you are. If you try to blow us up, we will destroy your freakin country. If you are a terrorist, then you deserve to die and that is that. Its not about being PC or trying to protect peoples feelings. It IS about protecting innocent people from those who wish to hurt/kill them. If those people happen to be black or muslim or whatever, it doesn’t matter. They should pay the consequences without any consideration for their feelings (if they have any)
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 17, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Who said anything about PC.
Plax was getting called a thug when he doesn’t BY ANY MEANS fit that definition.
You are honestly going to tell me it has nothing to do with him being a black guy? I’m not saying anyone is being racist, but if he was white he wouldn’t be getting called a thug.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
This is ridiculous
this does not have anything to do with Plax’s race. Anyone who was using the term “Thug” to mean “Black Guy” was using it incorrectly.
This discussion has had nothing to do with race. It has been about whether or not it would be a wise move for the Chiefs to sign Plax and whether or not the conversation about him has been empathetic.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 17, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Instead he would be called a cracker right?
Or maybe white trash, or honky.
Oh, I know… a wannabe gangsta.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 17, 2009 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
What?
Please clarify.
White Trash has always meant white trash.
hon·ky or hon·kie also hon·key (hôngk, hng-)
n. pl. hon·kies also hon·keys Offensive Slang
Used as a disparaging term for a white person
Soo…bad word about white people.
“Thug” does not mean “black guy”
thug (thg)
n.
1. A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
2. also Thug One of a band of professional assassins formerly active in northern India who worshiped Kali and offered their victims to her.
So there you go. Thug has a better chance of being an Indian guy than a black guy.
Nor does “Gangster” for that matter.
Gangster n.
1.A member of an organized group of criminals; a racketeer.
2. A member of a gang of delinquents.
0 for 2. Thus I conclude, if you use the terms Thug or Gangster to pertain to a black person only, you are using the term incorrectly.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 17, 2009 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm not saying that thug only means a black guy.
I’m saying that he’s getting called a thug BECAUSE he is black, and that is the improper use of the word.
A thug had definitions and connotations of violence. Plax hasn’t committed any acts of violence. He’s not a thug. He IS getting called a thug because of his image. What’s his image? a black guy with a gun.
Everyone chill out. I’m not saying its a big deal…but don’t act like I’m wrong.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Spot on, Jux
Unless you’re Marvin Harrison. He actually shot someone ELSE, and somehow that shit got swepped under the rug.
I could get more sacks with my sack
Actually Patrick. That was a reply for Jux
This whole thing about people only calling Black people Thugs pisses me off and I was trying to make a point.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Jun 17, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
And I would say that was wrong too.
You can’t acknowledge that a white person would get called racial terms and then say that he isn’t..
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I don't think anyone around here would do either
At leastI hope not.
We have all kinds of other terms we use around AP that are race free.
asshole
duche bad
moron
idiot
jack ass
Carl Peterson
fool
bone head
Herm
cry baby…
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 17, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Thug refers to a street gang attitude
It has nothing to do with race.
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by Texas Chief on Jun 17, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
That has nothing to do with the guy’s upbringing.
Most psychiatrists and psychologists would disagree with you…Not that it in any way excuses such behavior, just sayin’…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Jun 16, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
It's not like the NFL
doesn’t conduct numerous counseling programs and seminars to help players sort through this stuff. These guys have so many resources available to them so they can get their personal lives squared away. The advantages these guys have are incredible and yet there are so many who want to give them a pass.
That shit doesn’t flush at my house.
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Questionable Charector?
Are you serious?
Did he hurt anyone besides himself? Was he selling drugs to kids? Did he steal a bunch of money from people? Was he hitting women?
No. He was an idiot. That’s it.
If you don’t want idiots on the chiefs, that’s fine (you may need to get rid of half the team because football players don’t tend to be the brightest bulbs)
but STFU about this questionable charector stuff. Guns by nature aren’t bad, and he didnt hurt or threaten to hurt anyone.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Hand Guns by nature are designed to kill human beings
they are not designed for hunting game animals. You do not carry or own a handgun unless you are prepared touse it for this purpose.
Many people own them for recreatinal shooting, granted, but he wasn’t at a firing range or practice shooting facility, he was in public with a machine that was designed specifically to kill other human beings.
So yes I say questionable character.
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Jun 17, 2009 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Do you think he was planning to murder someone at the club?
Unless you do, then he was probably carrying it as a method of self defense.
Meaning if he was put into a situation, where he felt his life was threatened, he had the means to protect himself.
Still, you have to protect yourself within the confines of the law. Plax should be punsihed for his crime but it should not be assumed that he intended to harm anyone under any other circumstances other than to protect hs own life.
I am prepared to kill someone with my bare hands if I need to do so to protect my own life or the lives of those I care about but it certainly doesn’t call into question my character.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 17, 2009 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Indeed
Well said
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 17, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think I said anything about his questionalb character theredude
The comment you responded to stated that nfl players have advantages that are provided to them to help them sort through the issues that they face in their personal lives.
Now if a guy like Plax chooses not to take advantage of them and he goes to a club illegally packin’ heat and blows a hole in himself, I’m not inclined to give him a pass for taking those actions. He put people’s lives in danger and yes, disgraced himself and his team and his city and it cost him his job on top of all his other legal headaches.
But I do hope you meant to reply to someone else there bruh
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Yes, I did reply to someone else
If you check above my reply was to Your_Moms_Boyfriend. If you read what he wrote you will see he did say something about questionable character.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 17, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
-1
Come on Patrick, you are giving him an easy out. If he did grow up in a tough neighborhood then i feel sorry for him. But he recieved a scholarship to go to a pretty decent college where he should of learned to be a man. He is now in the NFL where they have all sorts of safety nets for the players and if he felt that he was in danger he had plenty of money to hire body guards. There is no excuse for any one to carry a gun into a club. If he was in a club where you need a gun for protection then he probably shouldnt of been there.
Using your logic, Mike Vick shouldn’t be considered a thug just because he grew up in a rough neighborhood. Both of these men might have had rough child hoods but that doesn’t excuse thier actions. Mike Vick is a thug in my book, and Plax is ignorant as shit at least.
With that said i woulnd’t mind Plax on the team because I would like to see us win some more games. Just dont use the i grew up in a shitty neighborhood excuse for these guys. They are grown men and they made thier own beds…..
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on Jun 16, 2009 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't offer him an easy out
Reread my post. I said everyone is responsible for his or her actions. My post was about viewing situations and people in black and white terms.
What my post was saying wasn’t that Plax doesn’t deserve to get punished if he had a shitty life or shitty experiences that lead to his behavior. What it meant was that Plax, like all of us, is a flawed individual person with a history who deserves, at the very least, our empathy.
Mike Vick was wrong for running his dog-fighting ring. This is hypothetical story I am about to tell. I have no idea what Mike Vicks upbringing was like. Let’s just say that Mike Vick was influenced by a culture that glamorized dog fighting, Someone, a few days ago, mentioned the rap videos that showed rappers holding barking pit bulls inches from each other. Let’s say his father was absent and his mother was a drug addict. Let’s say Mike grows up watching rap videos and sees authority figures, male authority figures, which he is lacking and has a need for, engaging in dog fighting. “Man, Mike thinks. I’d like that life. Those guys look like strong men, with money and opportunity and girls.” The men also rap about coming from nothing and being poor. Mike is poor. He relates to them. All his friends want to be like the rappers too. Mike can’t rap, but he is good at sports. He decides to join the football team. He excels. He makes some right choices and gets himself into college. He is admired, well liked. Mike has gone from being dirt poor in an abusive home to being a college star. Mike now plays football and parties with his friends. He has no responsibility other than to keep his grades average so he can keep playing football. There are no parents here. Only coaches and they just want him to score touchdowns. Mike scores touchdowns, and gets drafted.
According to some here, Mike is now a man. Now that he has spent 4 years getting drunk, playing football and sitting through classes he had no interest in, Mike is ready to handle the pressures of being a professional football player. He now has a responsibility to his team, the city, and the league and on top of all that, he is expected to be a role model for all the young kids who wear his jersey. Mike, who doesn’t have a father, who had no role models, other than the dog fighting, crystal-drinking rappers he saw on TV, is going to be a great role model. Mike had plenty of time to adjust from being a poor kid from the hood who went to a crap high school with bad teachers and gangs to a partying college kid, to a millionaire role model all in 4 years.
Let’s see, what does Mike and his friends know about how to be rich? They know they got jumped for their sneakers back in their old neighborhood. Should they be scared? Nah. Even though it’s millions they have now, they live in a right, white neighborhood. Tell that to Sean Taylor.
Is it inconceivable to believe, that Mike’s life to this point, even the money and fame, have been bad for him? That his growth from a child, to a teen to a young adult was stunted due to a lack of parental guidance and education? But Mike got a COLLEGE EDUCATION you say? Have you taken the time to consider that maybe Mike can’t read very well? Maybe since his school was crap and his teachers didn’t care and there were no parents at home to help him with his homework that Mike didn’t learn as well as he should of growing up? That maybe, by the time Mike got to college, he was so embarrassed and felt so stupid that he didn’t want anyone to know? So he acted like he didn’t care about school and got others to do his homework and write his papers? That Mike didn’t learn all that much in college?
Finally could the pressure of being in the NFL, the lack of education, the lack of parental guidance, lack of emotional growth, sudden major influx of wealth and negative influences of growing up around gangs and drug dealers have any influence over Mike’s decision to try to fit in by gambling and having dog fights with his friends?
You bet.
Does all this mean he isn’t responsible? No. He still is. Hopefully, the embarrassment, jail time, lost of money and respect will enable Mike to see some of his problems and attempt to correct them. Maybe a wake up call is what Mike needed to right his course before he ruined his life.
What Mike doesn’t need is to have me, someone who has never met him, who has know idea where he is coming from, tell him he is a thug and is scum and doesn’t deserve to ever play another down in the NFL. To label Mike as a worthless thug is to belittle him and indicate that he can do no good in the world. When maybe, through his life experience and by learning from his mistakes, he can do a lot of good.
My post was saying you should be able to look at the story above and say, "You know what, the guy in that story had it pretty rough. While I still think I he is responsible for his actions and should be punished appropriately I can at the very least, give him empathy."
My post was stating that the world isn’t black and white and that you don’t have to give someone your understanding or your forgiveness but if you choose to judge them without giving them your empathy, you are just as ignorant as you claim they are.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 16, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
That's fine on a personal level
but it still makes no sense whatsoever for any professional team, as a money making business, to look at a guy; who has this background which has now led him to a recent history of legal/criminal activity, who is under severe media scrutiny, who will face several years of parole and God only knows what the league might impose upon him… and not weigh all of this in its decision as to whether or not to sign him.
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I totally agree
the teams have every right to decide if they want to take a chance on this guy. They wouldn’t be doing their jobs if they weren’t careful about this sort of thing.
My original post and the last one was directed at those who were posting their opinions of Plax in a total black and white manner.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 16, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed fine story, Now he would make a great counselor to those
that he most identifies with on how not to do what he did. People fail all the time,
most of us on a small level and then there are those that Fail Magnifescently.
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 16, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
That's why Pioli earns his check
making personnel decisions and I make mine as a civil engineer. if he were to build a bridge, without the experience building a bridge, i wouldn’t use it. but he does have a history of making sound choices for his team, even with players with checkered pasts, and so far, they’ve worked. if he wants a player of questionable character and he thinks they’ll work out, i’ll trust him and the work he puts in over what SI, ESPN, or FOX Sports tells me.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 16, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
Great line:
…the world isn’t black and white and that you don’t have to give someone your understanding or your forgiveness but if you choose to judge them without giving them your empathy, you are just as ignorant as you claim they are.
well written, not just for this post but life in general.
Excellent work, Paddy.
by thejesuslizard on Jun 16, 2009 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions
+1 Patrick
We all need some life lessons, Whenever possible :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 16, 2009 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I completely agree
Well said Patrick.
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 16, 2009 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice way to put some understanding in this matter...
Some folk are too close minded to realize what you are saying….they dislike who they dislike period. No talking to some people.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Im hoping
that you were not trying to insult me with the ignorant remark.
Im not choosing to judge them. He was a public figure that did something absolutly retarded. Maybe there were guns on the streets and he was getting shot at growing up. So what? I was in Iraq getting shot at on a daily basis almost and you don’t see or hear about me running around with a gun in my jeans shooting myself in the leg or shooting at other people. They like me have to realize where they are at in life. They are no longer in the “hood” and I am no longer in Iraq or Afghanistan. If i was to come home and shoot somebody would you say well maybe Paratrooper is a product of the war and we shouldn’t be so quick to judge him as a murderer? I wouldn’t expect anybody to give me any sympathy or empathy for that. I’m sick of the excuse that these people don’t know what is wrong because they saw it in a rap video. Vick new it was wrong to have a dog fighting ring and thats why he lied about it. When i see a spade, I’ll call it a spade.
I feel sorry for Sean Taylor and his family, That was a shitty ordeal and Im sure it would make me nervous if I was an NFL player. Now since i would be nervous, I would take those millions that Im paid and hire body guards and security for my home and family. I wouldn’t take matters into my own hands and carry a gun to a club and shoot myself in the leg. These players are adults, and if you want to apologize for thier behaivor because of a shitty situation that they found themselves in earlier in life thats up to you. But im going to judge them as men, and if they do stupid shit ill will judge them accordingly.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Excuse's
Thats all i hear coming from your mouth.It doesnt matter how bad your life is growing up……….You make the choice to pack the gun or to break the law “No excuse’s”. He made the choice to go to a club where he thought he needed a gun. The dude selling drugs on the corner or the broken house hold or the punks running around with gun’s, didnt make him do it! OJ. Simpson was the man,……….he still killed his wife and that dude.
Excuse's
Is all i hear coming from your mouth.It doesnt matter what kind of life you had when he or anyone else has growing up, he still made to choice to pack a gun.The drug dealer on the corner didnt make him do it, or the broken home, or the punks running around with guns killing people. Other than the broken house hold and being rich, i went through the same shit growing up, does that give me the excuse to brake the law even if it is a minor deal? No matter how rough it was for any of these guys,they have it made now, and should have no problem leaving their past behind,for the right to be in the NFL. Oh and also OJ.Simpson was the man ………….
Cavey
I think your club hit me. Let people pay societies Bill in their own way. I don’t want Plax or Vick on my team either. But let them continue to live. OJ and others need a small caliber bullet to the back of their head and some like BTK I would gladly pull the trigger. Have some empathy for the lesser criminals. Like the one who got two years for stealing food to feed their kids :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 16, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Concur...
but, just think about it for a minute. I know me, after a long work-week, it’s nice to go out and have a few drinks to unwind. Hell, maybe even throughout the week. When drinking, there are unknown variables that present themselves. Yes, you could argue that you shouldn’t drink at all or be carrying a gun, and I agree with that. However, to blow off steam, you go out and have a few drinks, you get pulled over for something as minute as not stopping at a stop sign. Even though you’ve only had a couple of drinks, OOPS, you’re over the legal drinking limit and get slapped with a DUI.
KCCHIEFSFAN72
by kcchiefsfan72 on Jun 16, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Ive been arrested for a dui
and Im not saying these men can’t go to a club and unwind by having a couple drinks. I am saying that they shouldnt unwind and have a gun in their pants. I expect people to look at me and say hey this guy made a stupid choice and drove drunk. Now i have to live with what people think about me and thats fine. Thats the way it is, its part of your punishment to be forever judged by your own actions.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Yeah I hear all the arguments against Plaxico...
I would rather wait a few years for a group of “nice” guys to win it…..he knew better…..he makes millions….blah blah blah. Fact is…if we sign Plaxico and we start winning and he is catching 1000yrds a year and snagging 10-15TD I would not hear any of the garbage about him.
You think Patriots fans are still saying crap about Moss? You think Cowboys fans or Eagles fans were talking crap about TO when he was lighting it up? You think Vikings fans were sad to get Jared Allen even though he is a DUI waiting to happen? All in all it doesnt matter…Wins excuse a lot of bad behavior….its a simple fact.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Dude, come on now.
Moss didn’t join the Pats facing felonious legal problems. His career had boiled damn near down to obscurity and his situation was ideal. This is not the case with Plax, nor is it the case with Vick. I fail to see the relevance of bringing T.O. or Jared Allen into the conversation. T. O. is a cancerous bitch and wasn’t going to be considered for this team, nor has he faced any legal problems. When we gave up Allen, it both sucked and seemed like an OK deal at the same time. Besides, the Chiefs did suffer through his legal problems and suspensions and it straight-up sucked while it was happening. Furthermore, he hasn’t exactly delivered them to the promise land.
I understand you’re of the mindset that you’d like a big name to join the roster and do wonderful things for us, but not everyone agrees with this approach if it means wrangling with baggage, especially if it might prevent them from playing every game. I for one think Pioli’s mantra of “the right 53” is an incredible step in the right direction for the long-term. Wins don’t excuse bad behavior. Bad behavior is bad behavior and if it gives the team and the city a black eye, to some of us it’s not worth it. Judging from what I hear and see from Pioli and Haley, I don’t think guys like this will even get much consideration. Maybe in a few years when there is an established locker room hierarchy that can overcome this stuff, but right now, these young guys need just the right environment to develop and flourish. This team has enough to overcome as it is.
Try not to be so dismissive of what’s being argued here. This stuff does matter, because if the team ends up relying on one of these guys and they get suspended or they’re sitting in jail on game day, what’s the point of having them? The risk of missing their high priced services due to injury is high enough. Not to mention the negative influence this crap has on all these young players who look up to them. Then you have the kids who see this on TV and what do you know… Can’t you see the point? It does matter. It matters a great deal. A win in no way forgives this kind of thing.
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Really?
I’m sorry, maybe I’m just crazy, but him shooting himself is stupid and funny. That’s about it. Guy messed up, I can’t make it any bigger of a deal than that.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Yeah really
you missed the entire context of the discussion. FWIW i thought it was pretty funny too.
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Yeah Its hard to get back in on these things
Especially when Paddy’s posts go on and on and on =] =]
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I see your points Buck....I do.
You have concerns about what his image brings to the Chiefs. It could bring headlines like “Pioli is deperate” “Plaxico is going to be the downfall to the Chiefs”….and on and on. I for one, dont want that on our team. But I am the forgive and forget type of people…I am not going to hold a grudge against the guy for doing something stupid. If Pioli is willing to keep Larry Johnson around then the “Right 53” approach is not too conservative. Pioli is willing to go outside the box and make exceptions for talent….I dont blame him. If he sees fit that we need Plax….guess what we will have him and you can either sit there and compain about it or jump on board and back the dude up.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
dude.
Bowe and Plax would be the sickest duo in the nfl.
Unstoppable.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
It would be like two Larry Fitzgeralds on one team....
Well not exactly but it would open Larry Johnson some HUGE holes in the middle when you are double teaming Bowe and Plaxico…..It would give Haley and Gailey some wiggle room in creating some awesome plays.
I would love to have him.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
I hear you on LJ
Honestly, I’m really surprised he’s still around, but when you consider what the other RB possibilities were in FA and draft considering our needs, draft slots and available FA’s, I guess I can understand where they might think LJ is just as good or better than any of their other options. I think if they felt like they could afford to, they’d dump him in a heartbeat.
As far as everything else goes, I think the overall image of the team is critical. Don’t get me wrong, I think Plax is an amazing talent and yeah, it would be nuts to see him line up opposite Bowe. I’ve always liked the way Plax plays. But the dude’s down-side is a real mother f*@&$% here. If Pioli passes on him, I’ve stated my views explaining why I think he would/should. If he picks him up, yeah, I’ll cheer my ass off for him. At the same time though, if he gets suspended mid season and everyone is belly-aching about it because we’re not the same team without him, I’m gonna be the miserable bastard pasting links all over AP pointing back to this post and telling everyone I told ya so! Haha! ;)
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A new thought on the discussion
Purely from Current news. Brandon Marshall will probably be traded.
Will Denver try to sign Plaxico Burress? Do we want to face him 2 times a year?
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
With our secondary...
I aint afraid of any WR!! Bring them on!!
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Nice
Me neither and Orton has to get it there :)
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on Jun 16, 2009 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
So basically
We’d only have to cover Plax for 15 yards…
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 17, 2009 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Haley Quote
Haley was asked if he would like the Chiefs to sign Plax. He said
"It’s something that everybody in the organization has to be comfortable with," Haley said, "and not just myself, not just Scott, everybody has to be comfortable and then you try to make the best educated decision."
Now I am pro-Plax to the Chiefs so I may be reading into this. I also know Haley isn’t big on giving out info but it kind of soundslike they may have at least talked about it. And he didn’t rule it out..,
Paddy
For sure.
The only thing keeping me from getting excited is the let down I’ve had with every other FA that I wanted and we didn’t pick up. But he definatly didn’t rule it out when he had the chance. In that same interview he confirmed that Ellis was never a conversation, if Plax wasn’t either then I think he would’ve said the same thing.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I'm not sure, about the following, Jux:
In that same interview he confirmed that Ellis was never a conversation, if Plax wasn’t either then I think he would’ve said the same thing.
Anything we talk about has probably been covered by the Chiefs. I doubt they’re leaving any stone unturned. But I like the collaborative aspect of what he says. It pretty much has to be a “Yes” up and down the line. Sounds like you can overrule folks with a “No,” but everybody’s aboard on any “Yes” that comes out of the organization.
It sounds like they’re definitely shooting for a complete 2009 season, but that he’ll be in the hoosegow for 2 or 3 years after that. Maybe ’09 is the last hurrah for Plax.
I was listening to nfl serius this morning
and they were pretty convinced that Plax will end up in Tampa for some reason anyway. Apparently they feel compelled to save him from himself.
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Alright
I’m convinced. Burress & Bowe would be sick
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 17, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
What is more disgusting
than a pile of dead babies?
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 17, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
The one in the middle that is alive and trying to eat its way out.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Jun 17, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Like
tonguing the sweaty butthole of a Kenyan marathon runner, type sick
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 17, 2009 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently
former teammate, Tim Hasselbeck, has outlined (http://www.nypost.com/seven/06172009/sports/giants/tim_hasselbeck__plaxico_burress_a_disast_174681.htm) exactly why Plex is not Pioli’s or for that matter Haley’s type of player.
by KansasCityShuffle on Jun 17, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions
Try this link:
The parens got stuck with the URL on my browser. Maybe this’ll help others.
Agree, KCS. That’s pretty devastating. And it’s not like anybody has called Hasselbeck out on it, either. We’ve all had dumb incidents, but that’s just a generally poor pattern of behavior.
Steelers didn't want to keep him
I think Hasselbeck’s comments are probably spot on. Seems like he was less than ideal when he was with the Steelers too, and that is why NY ever got ahold of him. Other than his game performance he is definitely NOT one of the RIGHT 53.
I talked to some guys from behindthesteelcurtain about him.
I’m a little more on the fence than I was. As it stands I’m done screaming for Plax to get signed, but if he does get signed he will have my full support. I’m not sure if its the best idea, but if Pioli and Haley sign on i trust their judgement.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Well this post has had almost everything except
A sexassasin pic and a Wreck. Took care of the rec.
And usually I have the last word at the bottom of the page. So there Nanz and Woodman.
Last I called it!
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