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Chiefs' Thigpen: 'Some Players Took Advantage of the Freedom Herm Edwards Gave Us'

"And if you real look real close, you'll see it's a...dog? No no. It's a pony! You have to cross your eyes and then slowly pull the sheet of paper back. OK, we're done here today." (via Photo Source)

"And if you real look real close, you'll see it's a...dog? No no. It's a pony! You have to cross your eyes and then slowly pull the sheet of paper back. OK, we're done here today." (via Photo Source)

For the past three years, Kansas City Chiefs fans have been subjected to Hermisms, press conferences where the coach talked a lot without saying anything and a general feeling that there was a lack of accountability around One Arrowhead Drive.  Maybe that's because, you know, there wasn't any accountability.

In an appearance on Sirius Satellite Radio, Tyler Thigpen told Bryan McGovern and Ross Tucker that he felt some players took advantage of this.  I was listening to the show but here's Tucker's latest Tweet:

Chiefs QB Tyler Thigpen just told us that he felt like some of the players took advantage of the freedom that Herm Edwards gave them.

We're only four and a half months into the Scott Pioli and Todd Haley era but we've quickly realized that there is assuredly a level of accountability with the "new" Chiefs.

I'm not trying to hold resentment against the previous regime because at this point it doesn't really matter.  A cynic might say I posted this to take a shot at Herm Edwards (Hint: You may be partially right).  But it's also interesting to note that for a player like Branden Albert, who was on the Red Zone Podcast today, have said that Herm was a coach who conducted toned down practices.  At least comparative to the reports coming out of Haley's practices.

S Bernard Pollard:

"They hold everybody accountable. So if you mess up, they’re gonna call you out. That’s the thing with this coaching staff, they’re not going to hold anything back."

LB Derrick Johnson:

"I like the coaches. They are very passionate about what they do. There’s an energy around the Chiefs right now. There’s a lot of change going on. Everybody is adjusting and we are ready to go."

NT Tank Tyler:

"Well, I wouldn’t say that. I’ve had some conversations with Coach Haley and he’s a real cool dude but an intense coach. He’s strictly business and that’s a good thing."

DE/DT Glenn Dorsey:

"I won’t say he’s different. He’s really hands on. He doesn’t play any bull. He’s real straight forward. He tells you like it is. He don’t sugarcoat anything. If you ain’t doing good, he’s gonna tell you. He’s straightforward and I like him. He’s no nonsense, man. He’s ready to win."

LB Zach Thomas:

"I think he's doing great with the team. He’s tough and that’s what you need. He’s trying to get the mindset changed here and he does make you a little uncomfortable – which is good. You need that."

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That's half the defense on record talking about the intensity of Todd Haley and his practices.  That's gotta count for something come September.

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Do you think that Herm Edwards' more laid back approach to practice and conditioning hurt the Chiefs?
Yes
797 votes
No
30 votes
Not sure
35 votes

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It is going to take a long time to clean

up the mess Herman Edwards made of the Chiefs. I am pleased with the progress made so far and with the fact that the fan base is much more united on common ground now that we are not bickering over whether or not Herm Edwards was an idiot.

by G.L. on Jun 11, 2009 8:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it is pretty much cleaned up

I don’t think Herm did too much damage to the minds of our young team. He didn’t, in his time in KC convince the players that slacking off was the way to play football. I think he asked for their hard work, which was the problem. Haley is demanding it.

There is no real dount that Herms players played hard for him IN THE GAME. I don’t think they practiced I don’t think Herm did too much damage to the minds of our young team. He didn’t, in his time in KC convince the players that slacking off was the way to play football. I think he asked for their hard work, which was the problem. Haley is demanding it.

There is no real doubt that Herms players played hard for him IN THE GAME. I don’t think they practiced hard for him. I don’t think he demanded enough from them in practice and their lack of preparation and conditioning showed at the end of games. It appears Haley already has these boys in better shape than they were last year, mid season! That has me very excited as does the straight shooting he is giving the players and the level of accountability he has installed.

Hard work can not always account for a lack of talent, however, without hard work, talent is useless. I think this team has talent, which is why I am excited about all the hard work.

If you think about it, everything the Chiefs did last off season was thrown out the window by midseason. Their offensive game plan, based around the talents of Brokie Croyle was useless to them. They had to start from scratch. There was no stability at the QB position. This year, we have a more solid game plan, a more durable QB and a competent, young backup, who, at the very least, can give us a chance to win games if, God forbid, something happens to Cassel. AND Dick “Father Time” Curl is gone. That alone will improve the QB play. There is much to be excited about.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Jun 11, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

sorry for thos first couple paragraphs

something wonky happened when I pasted out of word.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Jun 11, 2009 8:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One good thing

is that this year, I imagine the offense we install for Cassel will be something that Thigpen could also run, so we wouldn’t be forced to switch gears midseason because of an injury.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 11, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that everyone is on the same page this year.

The team mentality is a great thing to see happening. And Patrick that is a big “amen” about Dick Curl being gone.

by G.L. on Jun 11, 2009 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we could edit comments.

It drives me crazy that we can’t.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Jun 11, 2009 8:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like not being able to edit.....

it keeps the comments real, nobody going back and changing what they said. I can deal with typos personally.

And you can edit the post…..BEFORE you post it :D. Thats what the preview button is for.

by Zimmy on Jun 11, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I would prefer someone adding another comment saying “Edit: so and so” than going back and changing the content of their comment (which is what would inevitably happen)

by Joel Thorman on Jun 11, 2009 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly Zimmy

We actually threw around the idea recently of having like a 30 second or 60 second window after you post a comment to edit.

But you’re right Zimmy. Preview is your friend.

by Chris Thorman on Jun 11, 2009 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a mess....

but what I see more than anything is a bunch of young players who are now learning how to play professional football, being DRIVEN by the coaching staff. If/When that produces wins, and they see it pays off, they are all going to know and appreciate the hard work and dedication it takes to win in the league, and hopefully will make a couple of these guys in to relentless trainers IE Tony Gonzalez.

by Zimmy on Jun 11, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm surprised at the NO votes

With the insane amount of injuries we had last year.

There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!

by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 11, 2009 10:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not just injuries

but the fact that our team basically vanished in the 4th quarter of games.

by Chiefs4Life on Jun 11, 2009 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

running the spread and getting a lot of 3-and-outs doesn’t do wonders for your defense’s stamina

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 11, 2009 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

it wasn’t just the defense. The offense disappeared in the second half as well. It may be because the other teams adjusted at half time better than we did, but the fact remains that both sides of the ball collapsed in the second half (particularly the 4th quarter) last year. And our players looked gassed.

by Chiefs4Life on Jun 11, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point........

I always thought it was the coaching that caused us to be so bad in the second half of the games we played, but now its looking more like a combination of bad coaching and conditioning!Which now that i think of it….bad coach is still the reason for letting them get out of shape!

by CPT.Caveman on Jun 11, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's inexcusable for a high school team to be out of shape.

For a pro team to lose games because of conditioning is mind-boggling.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on Jun 11, 2009 11:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Does anyone remember Herm saying something like these guys aren’t drinking enough water as an excuse for the injuries? The more I think of this I can’t help but think Herm did not understand what conditioning was.

There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!

by Spiderwomn69 on Jun 11, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am all for anyone who wants to bash on Herm

I have been a fan of the Chiefs since around 1990 and haven’t missed more that 5 or 6 games that whole time that is until Herm came, I could not watch Herm turn a proud franchise into a 2-14 mess. They could have bought in a monkey to take over for Herm and I would have been happy.

Herm is gone things are better with that one move!!

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 11, 2009 10:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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