But I just don't see many good pass rushers here. Tamba Hali did a nice job opposite Jared Allen,...

But I just don't see many good pass rushers here. Tamba Hali did a nice job opposite Jared Allen, but by no means is he a top option. Plus, he is changing positions in the new scheme, even though he is best suited as a 4-3 defensive end. Hali managed only three sacks last year -- and I see him as the Chiefs' best pass-rusher.

Chiefs' weakness: Edge pass rush - AFC West - ESPN

Wow...I know this might be the case but it's crazy to think that Tamba Hali might be our best pass rush option in '09.

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But I think

he could be our “predator” guy on obvious rushing downs and i could see him flushing the QB out a forcing a bad throw or getting the sack.

Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win chapionships

by DT58forever on Jun 1, 2009 10:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

And this isn't necessarily a knock on Hali

It’s just that our best pass rush is going to come from a guy whose switching positions…it’s crazy to think that.

by Joel Thorman on Jun 1, 2009 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Jun 1, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's about what I expected out of you

by Joel Thorman on Jun 1, 2009 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's to...

Drafting Sergio Kindle next year

by ravenhawk on Jun 1, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm counting on Dorsey to step up

If we have him playing a 3-tech, which I suspect he will, we might see some real production out of him.

by Vinny D on Jun 1, 2009 11:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No one slap me for this

but what exactly does it mean to play 3-tech, 2-tech or whatever.

Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win chapionships

by DT58forever on Jun 1, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its based upon where they line up...

check this link out

http://football.calsci.com/DefensiveLine3.html

by ravenhawk on Jun 1, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have seen at least one variation on this...

but I follow the technique numbering system developed by Bear Bryant.

In this picture, the circles are O-Linemen and the numbers tell a D-Lineman where to be positioned before the play starts. So, a 3-technique puts Dorsey on the outside shoulder of a guard.

As a side note, Hali had a lot of success lined up in 9-tech at Penn State, which is where he will be lined up in our 3-4, and why I think he will have a breakout season (assuming he can control most TEs and shows a modicum of ability in pass coverage.

I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.

by soybon on Jun 1, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs

kudos

that’s a much better diagram…

by ravenhawk on Jun 1, 2009 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks

Great players dont win championships.....Great TEAMS win chapionships

by DT58forever on Jun 1, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah well

We’ve kind of gone over this ad nauseum and there is no telling until they step on the field against live opponents but it just seems like the front 7 will be a better unit this year. I’m not nearly as concerned about sack count as run stoppage. One follows the other. But I have to agree with him that next years draft is likely to be heavy on linebackers.

by Zodeman on Jun 1, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

but it just seems like the front 7 will be a better unit this year. I’m not nearly as concerned about sack count as run stoppage.

Agree…I’d be much more concerned with what the author thinks is Denver’s weakness (the front seven).

Hopefully, this year our defense will be able to actually force the other team to pass (sometimes I get the feeling that people don’t think our absolutely horrendous run defense impacted our stunning 10-sack performance last season.)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Jun 1, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just getting rid of Herm improved this team

Players now know they have to work hard to keep their job, they know the coach isn’t going to tell them good try when they mess up on a play. We don’t seem to have any stand out pass rushers but I think the sacks will come from all over the field (or at least I hope so).

by bringbacktheglory on Jun 1, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe the front office an coaching staff knows something no one else knows?

Coming into this offseason it wouldnt take a genius to figure out our biggest weakness because we put ourselves in the record book for it. We hire Pioli, whos comes in with the most hype surrounding a GM that the league has seen in ages and maybe for good reason, I guess we’ll find out. But Pioli has done very little about it. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he must somewhat know what he’s doing and like I said it wouldnt take the smartest GM to see what we needed to upgrade. But the question is why didn’t he do anything? I highly doubt he is just neglecting it or saying “oh well we’ll fill those holes next year”. I know there were alot of holes to fill but they didnt even draft a pass rusher with any pick. So this front office and coaching staff are either clueless or they know something that the rest of us dont. I’m going to guess its the latter.

by GenericBrand on Jun 1, 2009 12:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm with Generic on this one

I’ve said it a few times before… I get the feeling they do like what they see at LB and OL.

by stagdsp on Jun 1, 2009 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

who did we draft?

I could have sworn we just drafted the top two 3-4 DE prospects. I GUESS that equates to doing nothing.

by Zodeman on Jun 1, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This post is about edge pass rush.

We didnt draft anyone to fill that role in a 3-4 defense. The DE’s might have some impact in that area when we line up with 4 and 5 man fronts but otherwise we didnt address the edge rush based on our scheme in the draft or in FA really.

by GenericBrand on Jun 1, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess my point is the line upgrade should result in more edge opportunities. But you are correct that no other upgrades have been made yet. I think new staff and scheme will be the main upgrade in that dept this year, and next years draft will be heavily LB oriented.

by Zodeman on Jun 1, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

there are upgrades

*Vrabel is a known pass rusher.
*Hali will be put in a position where he’s more of a pure pass rusher than before.
*Dorsey will hopefully be in a position where he can penetrate more.
*Jackson and Magee will help apply pressure, if not get to the QB… AND a much improved Defensive line will allow the LB to get after the QB.
*The new defensive scheme should allow for more blitzes and different looks, which can help create pressure.

by stagdsp on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pioli (and Belichick) don't "neglect" any position

However, they won’t fit a square peg into a round hole. If there was nobody who fit the scheme, or there weren’t any players who Pioli liked for that particular position, they aren’t going to draft them and force them just because it fills a need. They have done this for years now, and I can’t think of any particular time where I felt they really messed up and completely ignored a position.

Pioli looked like he was interested in building your team from the lines out, hence the focus on the D-line. That’s how he and Belichick built the Patriots, so I wouldn’t be overly concerned with the way he’s running your drafts (unless your team is still in a hole 2-3 years from now).

by NESilver on Jun 1, 2009 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We all HOPE its the latter

by JBChiefs on Jun 1, 2009 12:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

This is what I was saying

going into the draft. Apparently the powers that be felt that getting true 3-4 DEs was a bigger need. I’m guessing that they feel that stopping the run is step one to fixing the defense and the pass rush is step two. I’ll trust their judgement for now, but the pass rush is the biggest ? on this team in my opinion.

Ten sacks in a season! For crying out loud that's what I used to average per game using DT in Tecmo Bowl!

by KCporkchop on Jun 1, 2009 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

For what it's worth

Tamba has a good motor and mobility and playing twenty pound lighter, not getting worn down wrestling bigger linemen will help him. I think he will be quicker and I think he will do well as a LB. I have a bit of concern about coverage but he won’t he in that often I think. I think the formation will help.

by FrankPitts on Jun 1, 2009 4:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs