The Croyle Factor
Let's focus on Brodie Croyle for a minute...
When he was coming out of high school, he was one of the nation's top prospects. The guy's arm was amazing. He was pretty mobile. He was on his way to being a superstar. But something happened to him - the injury bug kept biting him. I really pushed for the guy last year and prayed that he would take control of the QB spot. And maybe he could have - but dammit! He kept getting hurt. And now he's nowhere close to being named the starter. That has to hurt his pride: "I was supposed to be the QB of the future. Now I'm a third-stringer."
I'm curious: why hasn't Pioli released the oft-injured Croyle? Does he see something in him that we dont see? Does he just want him as insurance? Does he just want Croyle's wife to come around and bring the players some "morale"?
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Can't release Croyle
Because he finished the year on IR the team must have him on film practicing before they can release him…IE. teams can’t release injured players.
I personally think that Broydie should be released but I don’t believe in releasing injured players so I guess Broydie will be with us forever since he is always injured.
South Side D
by doriang03 on May 7, 2009 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Another thought....
Croyle does have a tremendous arm, but has always been too thin and fragile. What if Pioli is keeping him around for the next year or so, try to beef him up some and get him healthy and rested (being third string shouldn’t get him in many games) until maybe next year where he may try and show off bigger, healthier Croyle in pre-season so that he may have some trade value, or if Thigpen has any trade value, Croyle could be retained and Thiggy traded. Either one (assuming Croyle puts on weight and gets healthy and less fragile) would be a solid back-up to Cassel, and if Pioli can get something for one of them from a QB starved team, I’m sure he would go for it. Just a thought.
by big_Scott on May 7, 2009 11:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would mean
Committing ANOTHER contract to a player that’s been consistently injured. It just doesn’t sound like a Pioli move to me.
by Joel Thorman on May 9, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is already under contract
There would be no new commitment to him, I have actually suggested he may be traded rather than released. That DOES sound like a Pioli move to me.
by big_Scott on May 9, 2009 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think he has enough value for a team to want to trade for him. KC might garner a 6th or 7th at best…kind of like the Joe Germaine trade.
by burntorangehorn on May 9, 2009 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would we gain by releasing him?
Nothing. He may be the best third stringer in the league.
I like what you said big_Scott, but that just seems too good to actually happen. Plus, IMO Pioli wants his own guys in there, ones that haven’t subconsciously picked up bad habits already. Croyle’s psyche is shot, he will never again be comfortable taking snaps on Sunday. Sad, but true. Although I’ve seen crazier things happen. Wait……no I haven’t.
I'm currently reading "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" and it feels like we got ourselves a McMurphy on our hands....wheelin' and dealin'
by Chiefs_swagger on May 7, 2009 11:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He may be the best 3rd stringer in the league
May be…but we’ll never know because he can’t stay healthy.
by Joel Thorman on May 9, 2009 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for brodie.......
He looked like he was going to be a pretty good QB …………until he got hurt! The dude has a great arm and i had high hopes for last season! Who knows what he could do behind a good o-line, but then again……what could Tyler do? IMO we should keep Bones over Croyle use Bone as your 2nd string QB and Brodie 3rd string! SIMPLY because i dont see Brodie catching any TD passes! They should just wrap Brodie in bubble wrap and make him sit in the locker room to be safe!
by CPT.Caveman on May 8, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Me too-
it’s gotta suck to have a wife that hot, and ride the pine.
by Reno_Chief on May 8, 2009 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is a clipboard guy...
…with a hot wife.
by woodman212 on May 8, 2009 12:20 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whats wrong with making 380,000+ a year???
All you gotta do is hold the clipboard and hang out with your hot wife. Sounds like the best job in the world to me…
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on May 8, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hell Tim Couch can't even get on the field....
And his wife is pretty hot! (Heather Kozar)…… Boy she must really love that dude.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on May 8, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For all the Croyle lovers
The guy does not take his job seriously!
2007 Three weeks before a training camp where he knows that the QB job is his Broydie went off and got married. He was not training, weight lifting to build muscle he was planning a wedding which even for an NFL QB has to be stressful and time consuming.
Do you think Manning or Brady got married 3weeks before training camp?
2008 Croyle comes to camp weighing the same amount as the previous year when he was hurt. Broydie has at his finger tips nutritionist, strength coaches and Dr. who can all help him put on 10-15LBs in an off season but he let another off season go by and did not address his small frame.
That small frame has kept him out of countless games in his football career and will end it very soon.
South Side D
by doriang03 on May 8, 2009 12:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont really mind either of those...
3 weeks before training camp everyone in the NFL goes on some sort of vacation…late June to mid July is the time you are supposed to do things like that…
The weight thing could have been (and likely was) dictated by his coaches…just like coaches kept Tamba heavy and Tank light…
by woodman212 on May 8, 2009 1:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point, but
I know many guys in the NFL have weight limits. My buddy who plays for the falcons gets fined if he is under or over his. But he is a DT. Its very important that he weighs enough to do his job and that he doesn’t get too big because there is a fine line for those really big 300+ guys. I find it incredibly hard to believe that Brodie had any weight restrictions. I’ve seen him a few times at a mexican joint in Stanley, KS and was surprised how small he was (that being said, he was really cool and so was his WAY better half, haha). He is around 6’2 and is built like a figure skater. I really doubt they told him he couldn’t gain any weight.
Now, i realize that he is a QB so he has to be careful with the upper body lifting, big, tight shoulder muscles are not good for a QB, Tebow and Brady Quinn had to be told to stop working out as much. But it would be easy for Brodie to put on 10-15 lbs in his lower body, his legs are like toothpicks. I wouldn’t even say it had to be all muscle. Most of the best athletes are around 9-12% body fat, some like TO, and Micheal Johnson at 2009 draft are freaks and only carry about 4-8%. These guys are exceptions, brodie could put on 5lbs of muscle and 5 lbs of fat and it would be great for his game, even more would be better.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on May 8, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It doesn’t seem like he put in the time, thats speculation on my part. It just seems like if really got after it he would have gained some weight and wouldn’t ahve had such a terrible pre-season.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on May 8, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not a Croyle fan but
have you seen his wife?
I’d have married her in the middle of the climatic drive in a Super Bowl.
The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.
by sm7600 on May 8, 2009 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont’ know too many guys that plan their own weddings. Frankly, all we usually have to do is show up.
I don’t think any amount of offseason conditioning could have saved ol’ Broken Croyle. He’s had major injuries/surgeries at every level of play. Why would his NFL opportunities turn out any outcome other than injury? Next to baseball, the NFL has the biggest skill/talent gap between college and professional. If he’s so injury prone in high school and college, what makes you think he could hack it in the NFL.
Someone should have seen this coming a looooong time ago. Hell, even his dad was described as “Oft-Injured”.
The apple didn’t fall too far from the tree, and the fall tore his ACL.
I could get more sacks with my sack
by ArrowSpread on May 8, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:(
I had high hopes for Croyle… What little he played, wasn’t terrible.
....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne
by Undaunted_Fish on May 8, 2009 1:38 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
There’s no reason to release Croyle unless he’s worse than the other backup options. I think he’s good enough to be a #3 QB…which, not coincidentally, is exactly what I said when dumbass Peterson drafted him.
by burntorangehorn on May 8, 2009 7:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
should have started his second year
I felt like Herm was a dumbass for starting Huard instead of Croyle. Put the guy out there and find out if he is the man of the future. If he got beat to death that year we could have drafted someone else instead of keeping on hoping. When he got injured the second time last year I figured that was the end of his career. If he can make it back onto the roster and be a backup I’ll have to give him kudos at this point. I think he has a lot of talent, but you have to be healthy enough to play.
by Zodeman on May 8, 2009 8:18 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He is pretty good...when he can stay healthy.
I will agree that he may be the best 3rd string QB in the league.
1)Cassel
2)Thiggy
3)Croyle
All of a sudden the Chiefs are very deep at the QB position. Did I really just say that?
by Chiefsfan1970 on May 8, 2009 9:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's true
But, I would rather see a developmental guy like Chase Patton in that #3 role…
in a “normal” season, the #3 guy never has to play, but can learn and develop to be the “QB of the future”… Croyle is NOT the QB of anyone’s future…
I say cut him, and bring on an UDFA or someone from another team’s roster cuts to bring along.
Worked for Thigpen! (sorta)
by stagdsp on May 8, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen might be one of the best backups in the league as well
I mean the guy didn’t usually fall apart until the 4th quarter when he couldn’t finish. If he comes in late in the first quarter we get his best play. Also he put points on the board effectively, our defense really screwed him last year. Not to mention he could be very valuable in some wildcat/pistol formations as of now.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on May 8, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets just hope our starter is one of the best in the leage too.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
by Shawn on May 8, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am sick of the Thiggy got worse
as the game went on argument. The guy was a rookie QB with no offensive line. FFS, he did an AMAZING job. He exceeded expectations. WAY exceeded them.
Are you really surprised that a QB playing his first few NFL games got worse as teams adjusted to him in game? I mean, the guy didn’ thave ANY experience dealing with that. I’m amazed that he played well at the begining of games. Teams had tape on him. I am sure after some playing time he will learn to adjust to defenses.
I’m not saying he should be the guy in KC but I am saying he has tremendous upside with more experience. The guy scored points for us last year. I don’t care what offense he was in. He scored points for us in the NFL which ismore than Croyle ever did.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on May 8, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not an argument
Someone did an assessment that showed the Chiefs went downhill in regards to scoring points after half-time. It was as though another team was playing. I don’t have time to look up the post, but the numbers don’t lie.
And we can debate the line ad nauseum, but Thigpen had fewer sacks than Cassell in NE, yet NE still won 11 games.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on May 8, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
New England
Also won quite a few games the year before.
Don’t get me wrong, Cassel did a great job, but trying to compare the two on their winning games is pretty silly.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on May 8, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing silly about it
As far as winning is concerned, if you really want to compare apples to apples, than I’ll argue that Huard had just as many wins as Thigpen, yet played with the same line/team, but did it in 1/3 of the starts.
Thigpen is now a backup in SF, so what does that tell you where Thigpen should be? To me, he performed worse than Huard considering the amount of starts.
Regardless, the team won 2 games and I’ll take the NFC Champions coach’s word when he said “the Chiefs could have gotten 22 guys off the street to win to games”….unless he ended the quote with “aside from Thigpen”, which I hadn’t heard.
Not trying to rain on the Thigpen proponents, but had Pioli/Haley scrubbed the whole team (not that they could), I really wouldn’t have lost any sleep over a team with 2 wins last year.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on May 8, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thigpen is now a backup in SF
Meant Huard is a backup in SF…oops :)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on May 8, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is nice to have two different style QBs as back ups.....
Let’s say Cassel gets hurt, and by no means do I want something like that to happen, it would be nice to have 2 QBs with different skill sets as options. One could call Thiggy and Croyle co-#2-back up QBs, this would give us flexability at any given time. Say the opposing D is really pressuring the QB and someone who has the mobility of Thiggs would be your guy. If the opposing secondary is giving up passing yards like the government hands out bills to the banks, then I would venture to say that Croyals ability to stay in the pocket and deliver a ball would be a nice option to have. All of this said, I personally think Thigg-daddy is an underrated passer and given ANY opertunity would make the best of it.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
by BigRedChief on May 8, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 styles?
Thigpen – scramble around the backfield, check receiver option1and 2 then throw it to Tony Gonzalez or just tuck it and run.
Croyle – Stand in one place like a statue, blank eyed like a deer in headlights as the pass rush drives you dick deep into the dirt and then ride the injury cart off the field.
I guess technically that’s 2 different styles.
Cut Brokie. We’d be better off with a developmental guy in the 3rd string spot to learn the game and maybe one day make an impact at the position. Brodie has developed from a good college play with a strong arm into a tackling dummy and a coat rack used exclusively for bandages.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on May 8, 2009 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have never claimed wisdom. Wise-assed maybe, but not wisdom =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on May 9, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. HIs salary cap impact is minimal, and KC already has a young QB in Thigpen and a guy who, if the contract agreement happens eventually, could be the long-term solution. I don’t see it as much of an advantage to cut Croyle for Patton or any other youngster unless it’s a matter of style. The fact that Croyle is as durable as a candy cane, but semi-serviceable when he can stay on the field, makes him best suited for the #3 role. I believe this is the final year of his contract, so why not let him play it out and let him seek his fortune elsewhere after the season? KC would be hard-pressed to find a less expensive option with starting experience and familiarity with the Chiefs’ offensive players.
by burntorangehorn on May 9, 2009 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry to jump in in the middle of an arguement, but...
I don’t think Croyle should be the Chiefs #3 heading into the season. First of all, he has never done anything to warrant a spot on the roster. He has never won a start, which for a guy who was pretty much handed the team as the ‘QB of the Future’ that is pretty disappointing. Also, I would argue durability is perhaps the most important attribute for a third stringer. Could you guys imagine what would happen if Thigpen went down last season. I don’t think it would have made our season any worse (or that it could), but if we made a playoff run and had to count on Croyle to manage the game and stay healthy, I would not be very comfortable. I would much rather have Patton or some journeyman who can stay healthy, hand it off to LJ, and not get hurt every game.
by ajanzen on May 10, 2009 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The reason....
Pioli hasn’t given Cassel a big contract is because he doesn’t want to look stupid when Brodie beats Cassel and Thigpen out. Who ever wins the job is going to get the big money. These coaches see something or they wouldn’t be talking about open competition. I think Brodie has one more chance and I believe he can do it.
by choirboy on May 8, 2009 10:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You are certainly
not preaching to the choir here. Croyle never did anything when he was healthy. He threw picks or made bad throws and played way to conservative.
At least Thiggy has the guts to keep balling after that terrible Atlanta game. Gotta give him props.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on May 8, 2009 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thiink he could be healthy for 14 or 15 games a year...
if all he has to do is hold a clipboard. He might miss a game or two with a paper cut but that is all.
by saskwatch on May 8, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He would catch.....
the first finger of his throwing hand in the clip, and it would snap like a dried twig. Then, as he dropped to the ground in pain he would twist an ankle. He’d be out for 5 weeks.
When he came back after 5 weeks he would trip over an audio cable while walking the sidelines and fall backwards over the bench, straining his back and taking him out for the rest of the season.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on May 8, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
QBs
Thigpen and Cassel are both tough. Thigpen was #1 rushing amongst QBs, and Cassel wasn’t far behind. They are very similar in their durability and playing styles. More importantly, both are gamers. Cassel had the benefit of more options than Thigpen last year, and marginally better blocking. But both did a lot of scrambling, and can probably be successful running the KC offense, even with only marginal improvements on the o-line. Both can SURVIVE behind questionable o-line play, and that’s where the Chiefs are and where they’ll remain until and unless the o-line shows us something they haven’t for the past few years.
With a solid pocket and a stronger running game, Croyle’s arm MIGHT vault him ahead of both Thigpen AND Cassel. So if the team DOES turn things around up front, the kid might be special. But odds are that he won’t get much of a chance this year, and if he does, he’s likely to be hurt yet again. Don’t see a huge rush to get rid of him, but I’d definitely put him behind Thigpen and Cassel. Both have paid some dues behind struggling o-lines and come out in one piece at the end of the season.
That’s one of the things I LIKED about Thigpen getting a shot last year. He proved that when things were tough, he was among the toughest. Kid has heart and plays to win, even though the deck was stacked against him.
I liked Huard, too. I think he was probably better than the opportunities he received. He could STILL emerge, much the way Rich Gannon did, on a team that’s well-constructed and loses their #1.
I hate all the credit QBs get for the stalwart efforts of their teammates, but I always feel bad for good QBs on struggling teams.
by hmills110 on May 9, 2009 1:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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