Whats Next For Dorsey?
by doriang03 on May 7, 2009 10:09 AM CDT
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PrintAs a 6’1 315lb DE in a 3-4 defense I see Glen Dorsey becoming one of the biggest draft bust in Chiefs histosry, which is littered with draft bust (far too many to name). But If Dorsey can become a 6’1 330lb NT who can use his speed, athletisim and strength to command the middle of the NFL’s newest 3-4 defense.
To be totally honest I don’t know Glen Dorsey’s true weight and apparently no one knows because web sites including the chiefs have him listed any where between 308-320lbs which tells me that getting up to 320 shouldn’t be a problem (he can always hangout with me for a few meals).
I think Dorsey knows that he can’t play DE in this defense and I also think Todd Haliey knows that as well which is why they are both going around blowing smoke up the media’s ass saying he’s going to be a DE.
Trust me when I say this, on opening day in Sept Glen Dorsey will be the starting Nose Tackle for the Chiefs and he will weight 320-330LB. Glen Dorsey is the most talented DT the chiefs have and like all players he has the ability to gain weight so that he can be a commanding force in the middle. Outside of transforming Dorsey into a NT the chiefs don’t have many options with him, trading a top 5 pick who only had one sack in his rookie season is hard, not only does he have a high cap number but teams will be unsure of the return.
I know many people on AP have gone back in forth about Dorsey in the last four months but one think we can say about the guy, he gave 100% on every play always running to the ball and he was prob. Playing out of position. I think that with the proper weight traininig and coaching Dorsey and be the next Casey Hampton but if they put him at DE he will be the next Junior Savia..
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Dude...
you should check out the story on the home page at AP. Dorsey will still play an under tackle in the defense we are implementing. It’s still a three technique. Read the article comparing him to Darnell Dockett. In this D Dorsey will get more one on ones because of the way it is set up. Go into the archives and find an article which lays out the 4-3 under defense. It’s a match made in heaven. Tank will play the nose come September.
Thank you
I’m beginning to think we should email all the KC star reporters a link to our explanation of the 4-3 under. It baffles me that they can’t wrap their minds around this simple fact. THE GOD DAMN HEAD COACH said they lined up in an UNDER front the whole mini camp…what does that tell you?? And yet everybody thinks we are running a 3-4, WTF???? Its driving me nuts….sorry about the caps, but i’m a little flustered about this.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
More of a 3-4 under
We will line up in a 3-4 under, as Hali (or whoever) will be a stand up end/OLB. In a 4-3 under the DE puts his hand in the dirt. We will still use 4-man fronts in nickel and dime packages, but our base defense sounds like it will be an “under” variant of the 3-4. And Dorsey fits the mold of a 3-technique UT perfectly.
ya this guy needs to put on some weight
and be inside if he plays d end ill be shocked i dont know i love the guy but with 3-4 his use for us pretty much goes out the door.
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i don't know
Tank Tyler is more suited to play the NT position than Dorsey is. Also typically true 4-3 DT’s are better suited as 3-4 DE’s like Corey Williams’ transition last season from Green Bay to Cleveland
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
Yeah...
and Williams fell off the map last season. That was a good trade by Green Bay since they are moving to the 3-4 this season. Out of all of the teams that are transitioning this year they were the best suited, especially after the draft.
Falling off the Map...
3-4 DEs DO tend to disappear from the box score! Doesn’t mean they’re not getting it done! Look at it this way, maybe:
Dorsey will be one of the guys on the front line, and there’ll be two TRUE big men on the line with him, rather than just one plus two ’tweeners.
The D-Line will be playing to generate stats for the other 8 guys. And if they do, I’ll be the guy in here drooling over the front 3, while the rest of you are drooling over “the emergence of LB X as a pass-rushing PHEE-nom.”
college days
once he gets teamed up with his old buddy tyson itll be just like when he was dominating at lsu. he was used wrong last year and there was no other threat on the defensive line last year at all. we didnt have a player that worried the opposing oline. i cant wait to see how it all turns out
He weighs 300
give or take 5, both chiefs site and NFL say 297, but i think he ahs the skills to play the 3 tech in the 3-4 i think its at least worth a shot. We dont know how he will play at 320-330. at least with tank playing NT we know he played at 325 in college but trimmed down for the combine. I think if he can be at 6’2 330 by opening day he could be a good NT,he also is very strong benched 42 reps at 225.
With Dorsey it is about coaching....
Bo Pelini (Go Big Red) was able to make Glenn realize his true potential, much like he is doing with Suh at NU. You can’t just throw a big body out there and say “go after the QB” or “Stuff the run big boy”. Dorsey’s potential will be based on a solid coaching staff and consistancy of scheme, throw some other good to great players in there and you get something special. I personally believe he is going to flourish with this change in philosophy, but I’m no expert.
Leave the gun. Take the cannoli.
Dorsey's position
Dorsey will not line up as DE or NT. I can’t believe there still are so many people who can’t grasp the defensive scheme the Chiefs will be primarily using this year. Dorsey will be line up one on one with a guard as the under defensive tackle in the 4-3 under scheme, instead of going against tackles and double teams like he did last year. His particular skill set makes him perfect for the under tackle position, and I think he will have a monster season, as Tank will line up at NT and take on the double team of strong-side guard and center, leaving the weak-side offensive guard to have to deal with Dorsey all on his own, as the weak-side tackle has to contend with the DE (Magee?) and Dorsey will be pushing his way past and through and around that weak-side guard often. Every one who says Dorsey will be a bust this year at DE does not comprehend the brand of defense the Chiefs will be fielding this year. Dorsey WILL NOT be the DE, or NT!!!!!!!!!!!!! And thus, he will not be a bust!!!!!!!! Chief’s new management/coaches understand they do not have 3-4 talent on this team, and Pendergast ran the under in Arizona, so that is what is being run in Kansas City, folks. And the talent level on defense here in KC as it equates to the under defense is superior to what Pendergast had in AZ, so I expect it to go very well, and as long as they keep Dorsey and the talent they have, they may never fully transition to a pure 3-4.
+ as many stars as in the heavens
A lot
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
Gotta just keep tellin' it
It may take till December. Hang in there.
Also
Fully agree with you on your point about transitioning to the 3-4. I don’t know why people keep tellin’ that story. I don’t believe it’s going to happen. Seems to me the 4-3 under with the people we already have and the right predator is more flexible than the 3-4 and has the ability to cause more confusion to the offense.
My thoughts exactly
When you combine the flexibility of the scheme with the versatility of the players, including this year’s draft picks, I think Pioli, Haley, and Pendergast have a good shot at fielding a very good defense. With Dorsey at the under tackle, where I really believe he will do very, very well, on top of all the other talent, why would they want to switch to a regular 3-4 defense, where you won’t be able to utilize the talent on the roster nearly as well, especially in Dorsey’s case?
+1
I am really optimistic about our defense this year. I really feel that we’re getting a staff in place that will run a scheme that absolutely maximizes our strengths.
Pete Carroll (sp?) on the 4-3 under
Looked at the above-cited site. Saw all kinds of possibilities for the talent KC has. I’m not as dogmatic as you are on this, Scott. But I’m still pretty dewy-eyed – far from expert.
I can easily see Dorsey playing 4-3 DT/3-4 DE, with Hali/Vrabel to his left on the strong side playing 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB. I can see Jackson opposite him, as an unselfish 4-3/3-4 DE. I can also see Dorsey on the weak side. The key, in all cases, is the primary responsibility of the d-line to control the middle, and not necessarily rack up sacks.
Magee, Jackson, and Dorsey are all three just very good defensive linemen with both DT and DE traits, and that allows the D to give a lot of different looks out of the same personnel packages, especially with Hali at LB being able to put his hand in the dirt as a changeup.
I’m not as certain as you, big_Scott, that the Chiefs will be running a 4-3 under. I think there will be certain aspects of it, but Haley’s been pretty clear in his statements, and until I’m convinced he’s a liar, I’ll take him at his word.
Half the people who talk about Pendergast’s D in Arizona call it a 3-4. Maybe they’re nincompoops. I won’t be able to see for myself until I see the SB on NFL Instant Replay on NFL Network. What I remember is a lot of hats being thrown against the offensive backfield, and I LIKED that. Too bad Roethlisberger is no mere mortal, or it would’ve worked!
Anyhoo, I’d be interested in a discussion of the 4-3 under, especially the part where, in the source I cite, above, they talk so much about the role of the corners – WAY too passive for my tastes! But Carroll starts out talking about how you want to press on the edges and then goes on for the rest of the discussion talking about what you do when you’re afraid to bring your corners up and jam.
What do you have to say about inverted coverages, where the safeties come up and jam on their way to the ball, and the corners lie back behind them?
Subject line in my last post was a link. Maybe you all didn’t get it. I’m just treating it as a basis for discussion, and am eager to know of any other good x’s and o’s links. Again, here’s the USC Trojan page on the 4-3 under:
http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/43_under_blitz_schemes.html
HAHAHA...
This is ridiculous….
I guy that had one of the best rookie seasons for a DT in the past decade will be one of the biggest draft busts in Chiefs history…
Thank you for the laugh…
Sorry that was harsh....
I didn’t read on….I just saw that line and quit reading….the rest is an acceptable opinion….except the bust part…lol
Stupid Question?
since we’re on the subject of Defense figured I’d ask. Since most of us believe that we’re going to run the 4-3 under defense most of the time and w/ our draft picks and other additions where does Turk McBride fit in? Is he going to be a DE or OLB or Predator. I thought going by what I’ve read that he was big enough to play DE in a #-4 but not sure.
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I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
*3-4
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
I think he is big enough to play DE in a 3-4
but he also might be the predator, maybe just on running plays
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
He has versatility
Remember, Turk was drafted because of his versatility (he could play DE and DT) by Peterson, and I think the current regime of Pioli/Haley are just as big of fans of versatility, as they praised the presence of that in both Jackson and Magee. I would think they may be primarily interested in rotating him in at the DE or predator position, but he does have some quickness and if he dropped weight, probably could be used at OLB, though I don’t think that’s what they will do with him. He is kinda the most interesting piece of the new puzzle, as I am not completely sure how he will be used in the new scheme. But my best guess is that he will play a role similar to Magee’s and Jackson’s, especially if he reports to camp at a playing weight of around 290. His versatility will give him a chance to compete, but he will have to earn it from there.
I agree and well said
Turk could/should be used in a couple of different roles on the outside of the front seven.
Thank you I was just wondering b/c I keep hearing how just about everyelse is going to get used and not him.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
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