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Zach Thomas brings to KC what Tony couldn't....HOPE!

 
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I'll take a line from one of my all time favorite movies Unforgiven, If you take away a person's HOPE  "you take away everything he's got and everything he's ever gonna have" ...  if you take away a mans hope what are you left with? 

The block qoutes are taken from the KC Star.

 

"Nothing is guaranteed from year to year," he said. "You look at Dallas, where I was last year. We were guaranteed to make the Super Bowl and we didn’t even make the playoffs. So nothing is guaranteed and teams change from year to year.

 

 I guess this is why a lot of people got worked up when Tony G. asked for a way out, hoping to get his shot at winning a Super Bowl trophy.  I can see both sides of the debate in which both sides have compelling arguments, I am left indifferent.  Ultimately Tony gave up all hope of our chances of ever improving quickly enough to make it to the big show, and for that I cannot forgive him.   Tony's hopelessness can only leave a negative impression on the chances of both teammates and fans alike.  Imagine working your butt off only to concede that we will never be good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. 

The loss of hope can only leave a hollow feeling of confusion, creating an almost self destructive nature within the consiousness of a teammate that the season would be lost even before it has started.  

Tony became the player who he is today not only through his hard work, but because he was blessed to spend his career on a team that would highlight him in its offense year after year.   Could you imagine if Tony had the misfortune of being on a team that did not utilize the TE position effectively?  Teams like Arizona and Pittsburgh  both appeared in the Super Bowl.  Both teams also do not feature the TE position as a first option offensive threat,  viewing the position as more complementary in nature to the WR and RB's. 

Now the question that needs to be asked is, How about if Tony did have the opportunity to play in a Super Bowl, maybe even win a Lombardi trophy?  Yet did not have the numbers at the end of his career to warrant a serious consideration in the HOF.  Will Tony be remembered in the history of the NFL as a good TE on a maybe Championship team? or will he be immortalized in the HOF as the greatest player to have ever played the TE position if not for his time in Kansas City.  

Tony no doubt would have been a good player on any team simply because of his work ethic, but he became GREAT because of his time as a CHIEF! 

 

"I was a little skeptical coming in at first, to be honest," Thomas said. "Once I came in and talked to (Haley) … he was straight to the point. He wanted to change the mind-set of the players. He really grabbed me right there.

 

 When Pioli came on board, I'm sure Tony quietly continued to pursue a trade.  Which went against what Pioli was saying in the beginning when he wanted to find players who wanted to be here, the right 53 not necessarily the best 53? 

How do you change the mindset of the team if individual players are only thinking about their needs versus the greater needs of the whole team? 

 

 

I’d like to be there for that transition, that change, kind of like Miami did last year. It can be done

Unlike Tony, Zach provides a positive role model for the younger players.  Both Zach and Tony are hard working, and extremely competitive.  The only glaring difference is that one chose to come to this team while the other was constantly looking out the window.   

 

"I have high expectations for this team. I’m excited to come out here and try to make a difference. I’m not coming to be a coach or help this team try to rebuild. I’m not here for that."

This statement of Zach is what does it for me when I think of Tony.  "I have high expectations for this team."  Tony didn't, that's why he wanted out.  He lost all hope in a team that helped make him great. 

 I don't blame Tony for thinking that the grass would be greener on the other side, but am always reminded that you better careful what you wish for ..... because you might just get it. 

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I wish Tony only the best.  He left me with a lot of great memories, but the CHIEFS will have a better chance at winning a Super Bowl with Zach than we would with Tony's hopeless attitude. 

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.

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I agree with a lot of this....

Tony was falsely portrayed as a leader of the team….There is a difference between the face of the team and an actualy leader. Tony never has and never will be a good leader in the locker-room. This has been evident in his comments time and time again. He would talk to the media but all he ever said was the same thing over and over every time. He had inspiring performances but that is about the extent.

by woodman212 on May 4, 2009 4:26 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey was up two ONE two...

Where you at? Thought everyone is knocked out for the night.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on May 4, 2009 4:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im in MO...

This was actually my final refresh before I sleep….I am not a robot, after all…I am runnin on 4 hours of sleep the last 48…yikes…

That picture of Thomas up there…he looks so intimidating…I really hope he endures the season.

by woodman212 on May 4, 2009 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nite man!

I remember pulling those deals when I was in college, don’t miss those nites at ALL!

Best thing about graduating…….NO MORE HOMEWORK! or projects!

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on May 4, 2009 4:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thomas will be everything that Donnie wasen't!

Zach is going to be beast roaming free behind our new an improved D-Line.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on May 4, 2009 4:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not devaluing Tony simply becasue he is not here.

…especially for guys who have not played one blessed down.

by FrankPitts on May 4, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You gotta believe!

Winning begins and ends with belief. It has been obvious from his comments and body language over the past few years that Tony did not believe the Chiefs could win. So he became a detriment to the team.

It didn’t help having Herm as HC the last three years, IMO his “don’t lose” philosophy was the main reason we DID lose at least another 4 games last year. With all his other strengths, that one mind-set Herm had was like a cancer to the team.

The turn around has begun with the change of belief. Anyone who won’t buy into to that needs to go NOW!

by Mac'sSon on May 4, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The Unforgiven quote is actually about killing somebody.

“It’s a hell of a thing, killing a man.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on May 4, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I know about unforgiven quote was about killing a man, but

I chose to use “HOPE” instead of killing since it did not fit into context.

“you take away everything he’s got and everything he’s ever gonna have”

HOPE = LIFE, you take away either and what are you left with?
Its the loss of that so many people fall into despair thinking that things will never get better.

That line was used after the out house scene, and had the next best line from the movie.

Yeah, well, I guess he had it comin’.
We all got it comin’, kid.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on May 4, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For me, Unforgiven has as much memorable dialogue as Casablanca.

Hackman: You just shot an un-armed man!
Eastwood: He shoulda armed himself.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on May 4, 2009 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are such killer lines.

Third place would have to be

Little Bill: I don’t deserve this…to die like this. I was building a house.
Will Munny: Deserves got nothin’ to do with it.

by RedNose on May 4, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Third? Who's 1st and 2nd?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on May 4, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The two you mentioned

1. We all got it comin’ kid.
2. Hell of a thing, killing a man. You take all he’s got and all he’s ever gonna have.

by RedNose on May 4, 2009 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah....I agree

Felt a little bit like Albert and Costello, so who’s on first again?

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on May 4, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry, but that's Abbott and Costello...

just to clarify…not being nit-picky or anything… ;)

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on May 4, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More classics from Unforgiven:

Eastwood: I’ve always been lucky when it comes to killin’ folks.

and also,

Eastwood: I’ve killed women and children. I’ve killed everything that walks or crawls at one time or another. And I’m here to kill you, Little Bill, for what you done to Ned.

Over time I think we’ll see that Gran Torino had some fantastic dialogue in it as well.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on May 4, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And....

Richard Harris: Well, actually, what I heard was that you fell off your horse, drunk of course, and that you broke your bloody neck.

Hackman: I heard that one myself, Bob. Hell, I even thought I was dead ’til I found out it was just that I was in Nebraska.

Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.

by Rev. Slappy on May 4, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Little Bill was one of the best villians I ever saw in a Western

and William Muney (from Missouri!) was even meaner!

by TheQ on May 4, 2009 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't forget

Skinny: You oughtta run off them cowboys, Little Bill.

Little Bill: I oughtta run off them whores!!!

by reedeasy on May 4, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

also...

Saul Rubinek correcting Hackman’s prenunciation error: Duke, sir…Duke of Death

Hackman: DUCK I says….

by reedeasy on May 4, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't Thomas have to say these things?

I mean we are the only team that was offering him a starting job. He can’t come in and say “At least here I get to be on the field all the time even though I’m 35”.
I’m happy he’s here to mentor the young guys, but I’m not reading into his quotes as much as some of the others here. Lets hope we get a full season from him.

by BeijingKCfan on May 4, 2009 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i don't think anyone expects him to be great

but attitude is contagious. if the person who is supposed to be the leader of the team thinks that the team has no chance then the team has no chance. attitude reflects leadership. thomas give us hope because he at least sounds like a leader were as tony did not.

by Leaf on May 4, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Thomas says these things, because he genuinely believes it

and not just a PR song and dance.

If I remember right, Thomas was also pursued by New England. The Pat’s realistically have a more probable chance of making a Super Bowl appearance next year than we do, yet he’s here.

Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.

by aPacificChief on May 5, 2009 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember him being pursued by the Pats

but lets face it, on our team he’s a starter and on the Pats he gets 15 maybe 20 plays a game. That is why he is KC, he’s a gamer that wants to be on the field. That being said I’m glad he’s here, he should be a possitive influence on everybody (ok maybe not LJ, he’s past being helped).

by BeijingKCfan on May 5, 2009 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

the picture of TG above says it all….“poor me”

Love the guy, but he wanted out….Let’em go if they don’t wanna be here!

by reedeasy on May 4, 2009 11:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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