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Blackouts.  An ugly word around Kansas City, especially the last two seasons.  Chris and I both are on record as saying a blackout would never happen because of the advertising dollars involved in a Chiefs telecast.  Still, you can't ignore the facts surrounding the number of Chiefs season tickets still available.

They're apparently low.  So low in fact that the Chiefs came out and said they had sold 100 more season tickets following the trade for Matt Cassel.  100?  That stadium seats nearly 80,000.  I told you a few weeks ago that I knew of one local business that had been offered major discounts on tickets.  Since then I've seen emails from Chiefs representatives to several other large organizations offering similar TJ Maxx-style discounts.

According to Bob Gretz, there are lots of tickets still available for Chiefs games.

This begs the question that Gretz pondered this morning: If the Royals continue to be successful, will it cause some folks to make a decision between the city's baseball team and its football team?

Since the early 90s, Kansas City has been a football city first with baseball a distant second.  But with the Royals resurgence this season, and particularly the play of our homegrown phenom Zack Greinke, will fans actually choose the Royals OVER the Chiefs?

Sounds far-fetched but it may be closer to reality than many realize.  Here's what Mr. Gretz had to say on the Royals resurgence.

Greinke has become one of the best pitchers in baseball this season, as he sits with an 8-1 record before his start on Sunday against the Chicago White Sox. By the time this weekend series ends, the Royals will have seen over 600,000 fans come into the new Kauffman Stadium. That would be for 29 games, or right around 100,000 more fans than at this time last year.

With those extra 100,000 people, comes more money out of potential Chiefs ticket buyers' pockets.  If the Chiefs had trouble selling season tickets last season, then what's going to happen now that those people are spending what few dollars may remain on the Royals?

Let me put it this way.  I'm by no means rich.  I don't have Chiefs season tickets for one simple reason: I can't afford it.  So, am I going to spend $200+ to take Ms. Primetime to one Chiefs game or should I use that money to go to four Royals games instead? 

I've turned down free tickets once in my life and that was last year's Buffalo Bills game.  I'm a die-hard fan who usually jumps at every opportunity to go to a game.  If someone like me is passing up free tickets, then what the hell are the thousands of non-die-hard fans going to do this season?

Like the salary cap, there's a limited amount of money I can spend.  There are lots of solid but not great players available (i.e. Royals games) and few elite players (i.e. Chiefs games).  Which one are you going to choose?

I know there are a few RR folks around here but if you didn't know, SBNation has an awesome Royals blog - Royals Review.  You should check it out.

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+1 each for classic high school Cassel (who is the man, no matter what happens in KC), the TJ Maxx reference, and the decision not to attend the Buffalo game. That Bills game still makes me angry as it is one of the worst Chiefs performances of all time.

I agree that blackouts are a real threat this season, but I also expect the NFL to make new exceptions this season using the dire economy as an excuse (good timing for us).

If we start off hot, then I can see the fans buying tickets again. If we tank the first few games, it will take longer into the season and more wins to coax fans to trust the team again.

PSLs aren’t helping matters either.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

re: Buffalo game

Only game I’ve ever not gone to with no excuse. It was cold and I just knew it was going to suck. Still probably a bad decision on my part. I never had season tickets but a friend of mine up the street did when I was growing up. I can still remember being like 8 years old waiting by the phone on Sunday mornings to see if some of his uncles would bail on the game and I would get the call.

I think we’re going to sell out right off the bat but, you’re right, if we go in the tank early, then it becomes a possibility.

by Joel Thorman on May 30, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You lucky, lucky bastard. :)

I was considering buying club level season tickets for my parents as a gift, but the unknown PSL charge is what kept me from buying them.

I disagree in every possible way with the notion of PSLs. There are enough extra mandatory costs for having season tickets without paying an exorbitant amount for the “right” to buy the tickets.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The bills game...

I paid 20.00 to sit on the lower level in that game… it was a bloodbath.

by GonzosDirtyTrailer on May 30, 2009 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anger rising. :)

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least that game led to something,

We get to endlessly mock the RETART that is Marshawn Lynch

BBQ BEEF MOE! ©

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't know the Chiefs had that

Did you call them up and that’s what they said? I didn’t realize that we were doing that yet.

by Joel Thorman on May 30, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I spoke to a sales rep who said they were coming, I then ended the conversation.

I don’t know when, or if it is actually true, but that was enough for me.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

At least it’s not New York where you wait 15 years for the chance to buy season tickets then see the PSL price tag.

I was listening to channel 124 NFL Sirius Satellite Radio (what am I a walking advertisement?) the other day and a guy gets on and said he actually had to have a conversation with his wife to determine if they wanted to buy Jets season tickets or have a down payment on their first home. Wow.

by Joel Thorman on May 30, 2009 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the PFT piece on Giants woes from last week.

$20,000 f*cking dollars for the PSL per seat.

No. And. Hell no.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I almost didn’t renew my tickets, not for royals, I live in STL, besides, I hate baseball. Just 900 mile trip 10 times a year to leave by the 3rd quarter sucks

....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne

by Undaunted_Fish on May 30, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and

TJ Maxx is one of the best places I’ve discovered recently.

by Joel Thorman on May 30, 2009 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

Score on the TJ Maxx reference. While I was back, I raided TJ’s & Marshall’s like it was the Alamo. Their prices are retardedly low. Nautica jeans for $20? You must be crazy..

by KansasCityShuffle on May 30, 2009 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More power to the Royals...

If they put out a better (if recently swooning) product. Don’t think that it should effect most die hard fans much as it shouldn’t be too hard to find a friend with Direct TV or some other avenue to watch the 3 or 4 games that are blacked out. I know that money doesn’t necessarily buy a good team, but I certainly don’t have too much sympathy for the ownership: if the team salary is toward the bottom of the league, then they shouldn’t complain if attendance soon follows. On the other hand if they put out a good product, it won’t matter how the royals are doing – people will come in droves

by paxi on May 30, 2009 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately,

It is blacked out on DirecTV too if your zip is in the KC broadcast market.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah...Thanks.

still sucks considering the amount you have to pay for “all of the NFL games” with Sunday Ticket.

There really should be an exemption to blackouts for Sunday Ticket customers in the 75 mile radius.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sucks

i watched several chiefs games over internet last yeard (living in st. louis). Picture quality often stunk, but it got the job done. I assume things are blacked out at bars as well? This is what kills me about the NFL wanting to add extra games to the season. Instead of diluting the game with all the extra injuries and missing stars, just find a way for people to watch more of the games that are already available – people are willing to pay.

by paxi on May 30, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To add a little more info to the DirecTV situation,

they blackout the games now. If you are in the 75 mile radius (thx prime) of the team’s game you want to watch it is blacked out and you have to switch to the local broadcast channel.

It’s pretty annoying when you are flipping through games.

I don't have religion, I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.
Erykah Badu is on notice. Amel Larrieux is catching up to you quickly. Let me see what you got, Erykah.

by DThomasReigns on May 30, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would definitely pay extra

For NFLN if Time Warner and the NFL would get a deal done.

by Joel Thorman on May 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know it sounds crazy,

but bars on the outskirts of that 75 mile area (?? sedalia, st. joseph. Lawrence Columbia) should wise up and advertise in the KC area in the event of a blackout. for the right game I would mind driving an hour and stil would be pretty economical

by paxi on May 30, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Cost

I think most live entertainment is over way over priced. It would not bother me one second to see the fans stop paying these prices. Could you imagine if a pro sport like football or baseball took a 25 to 30 percent loss in ticket sales for a couple of seasons. Yes I know it will probably never happen as we cash cows keep showing up …. Do not get me wrong here I am a chief’s fan I am just tired of working more than 8 hours a day for weeks and then being asked to give it up to see my team play. As of right now If the games are blacked out I would watch the chiefs high lights on sports center if there are any ….

by Battle AXE on May 30, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

uhhh no

first of all it turns out that the Royals stink just as bad as they have in the last 15 years. Gretz is a master at bringing up straw man problems in his opinion posts.

Whether or not the Chiefs sell out has almost nothing to do with anything except how good or bad the Chiefs will be…whether Chewbacca the Flack likes it or not.

The only measure of true success in the NFL is the Vince Lombardi trophy. Anything less is a rationalization.

by sm7600 on May 30, 2009 1:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I say this everytime

It isn’t a real sell out if there aren’t bums on seats.

The atmosphere sucked the games I saw last year and no doubt the team lacked that “Arrowhead Advantage” of a roaring crowd.

The town needs a black out to shock people back to the seats.

Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!

by sir eccles on May 30, 2009 1:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I took this little bell to a Chiefs game long ago.

Wore that sucker out and not a person said anything about it :)

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on May 30, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A-men

....I'm drinkin hot tea b!tch, feel me.... - Lil' Wayne

by Undaunted_Fish on May 30, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha

you cant have rainbows with out a little rain

by KChiefs58 on May 30, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't blame me, I renewed my seats this year.

I do not snort the coke I only smoke...sensimilla.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 30, 2009 4:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank You, I need to see my Chiefs on TV

Married with Children, you see :)

Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying

by Steve_Chiefs on May 30, 2009 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure I agree with the premise....

I’m a football fan. Sure, I watch some baseball, but my obsession is football.
If I were in the financial position of choosing between either going to 1 Chiefs game or 4 Royals games I’d take the 1 Chiefs game every time, because it’s football.
Besides, the result of 1 Chiefs game means more to the teams success or failure than 11+ baseball games. 16 game seasons vs. 162 game season means that my 1 Chiefs game means I got to see a much more meaningful game than I would watching 4 Royals games.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on May 30, 2009 11:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point

But I think there will be plenty of people in September who would be choosing the Royals over the Chiefs if the Royals were still competitive.

I’m not sure how much of an affect it would really have…the best cure for selling season tickets is a good product on the field no matter what the economy is like.

by Joel Thorman on May 31, 2009 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the bigger question is...

Are Royals sales up because the Chiefs have been so hard to watch as of late? I was out there last night and the joint was sold out.

I do not snort the coke I only smoke...sensimilla.

by HIV 2 Elway on May 31, 2009 10:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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