Chiefs 2008 Draft Class Dropping Like Flies
by Joel Thorman on May 27, 2009 6:45 PM CDT
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Over the last three months nearly to the day, the Kansas City Chiefs new regime has given the ax to 33% of former GM Carl Peterson's 2008 draft picks. The players were drafted to fit Herm Edwards' Cover 2 defensive scheme and his brand of offense.
Here's the rundown on whose been released from the 2008 draft class:
- February 24th TE Michael Merritt: 'All this for a little bit of weed?'
- April 13th WR Will Franklin: Rumored to be out of shape
- April 21st KR Kevin Robinson: Injury/production concerns
- May 27th OLB/DE Brian Johnston: Might not have fit the 3-4
Here's a quick glance at who was drafted, who is gone and who is still here.
| Pick | Player | Pos | Ht | Wt | Status |
| Round 1 Pick 5 (5) | Glenn Dorsey | DT | 6'1" | 297 | ??? |
| Round 1 Pick 15 (15) (From Lions) | Branden Albert | OG | 6'6 | 309 | Starter |
| Round 2 Pick 4 (35) | Brandon Flowers | CB | 5'10 | 189 | Starter |
| Round 3 Pick 10 (73) (From Broncos through Vikings) | Jamaal Charles | RB | 5'11 | 200 | #2 RB |
| Round 3 Pick 13 (76) (From Lions) | Brad Cottam | TE | 6'8 | 270 | 1st year starter |
| Round 3 Pick 19 (82) (From Vikings) | DaJuan Morgan | S | 6'0 | 205 | ??? |
| Round 4 Pick 6 (105) | WR | 6'1 | 214 | Waived 4/13 | |
| Round 5 Pick 5 (140) | Brandon Carr | CB | 6'0 | 207 | Starter |
| Round 6 Pick 4 (170) | Barry Richardson | OT | 6'7 | 320 | ??? |
| Round 6 Pick 16 (182) (From Vikings) | WR | 6'0 | 190 | Waived 4/21 | |
| Round 7 Pick 3 (210) | DE | 6'5 | 276 | Waived 5/27 | |
| Round 7 Pick 32 (239) (From Giants) | TE | 6'3 | 270 | Waived 2/24 |
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The Question Marks
DE Glenn Dorsey: How will he react to a position change?
My take: The position change is a tad overblown in my opinion but still needs to be answered. The move to defensive end likely won't highlight Dorsey's strengths but it's a key part of the 3-4 and could still be used in that capacity.
TE Brad Cottam: Can he be the starter after Tony Gonzalez's departure?
My take: We saw very little of Cottam in 2008 in the role he'll be asked to play in 2009. This is an unknown at this point.
S DaJuan Morgan: What can he offer?
My take: He appeared in 15 games for the Chiefs last season and totaled 14 tackles. He's also a complete unknown at this point. When he was selected, it was largely attributed as a "value" pick (as in he was rated much higher on the Chiefs board).
OL Barry Richardson: Can he contribute?
My take: He's got the size to contribute but the word on him coming out was he lacked the technique. He's still on the roster, which I guess is a good sign, but so is Damion McIntosh and he's got 10 times the salary as Richardson.
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33% of the 2008 class is GONE.
By my count, only four players have definitive roles on the team (Albert, Flowers, Charles and Carr). That's not meant to say Dorsey won't be on this team in two years but he's yet to show he can play the position he's being asked to play. Same with Cottam. So it's only fair to label them as question marks right now.
The 2008 class was lauded as the best in 20 years for the Chiefs by a lot of folks. Though that title could still come to fruition, the new regime isn't hesitant about getting their guys in there.
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It's still a good class
with 6 or 7 starters or potential contributors…
that’s probably pretty damn good, historically.
by stagdsp on May 27, 2009 6:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Right now I see three starters
Albert, Flowers and Carr.
Realistically, I see five starters by adding Dorsey and Cottam.
by Joel Thorman on May 27, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
still very good
we awe at the fact that Denver got three starters out of their Jay Cutler draft. Five is very good even if we had two firsts
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on May 27, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
I was counting Dorsey and Cottam, as they are slated to start.
Charles will play a LOT… as a tandem RB
Morgan and Richardson are the current question marks… but both have a real shot to play, I have to think.
by stagdsp on May 27, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know...
I don’t even care anymore. Pioli and Halli have gone so far off the tracks on what I (and/or most of us) thought the chiefs should do. Not to say they are going in a wrong direction, I just don’t have any bearing. So, cutting Johnston just doesn’t bother me. It would have been mad last year cause I was really pulling for the guy to be a break out JA replacement. But the 3/4 switch, the WTF-head scratching draft. I’ve come to the conclusion that I’m gona have to wait till about the middle of the Chiefs 2009 season before I have a reasonable opinion again. That is all.
by MasterBlaster7 on May 28, 2009 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont get it.
how is dorsey a bust, he played in a horrid defense in his first year and didnt have superstar highlights but not a lot of DT s do let alone rookie DT. Stop saying he’s a bust , remember mario williams after his first year, called a bust, look at em now.
by SDchieffan on May 27, 2009 7:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
?
The position change is a tad overblown in my opinion but still needs to be answered. The move to defensive end likely won’t highlight Dorsey’s strengths but it’s a key part of the 3-4 and could still be used in that capacity.
What’s incorrect about that statement? I didn’t call him a bust. In fact, I called that talk “overblown”.
by Joel Thorman on May 27, 2009 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's labeled a question mark
Because he’s switching positions. We have no idea how he’ll do.
by Joel Thorman on May 27, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bring that weak Adam Teicher business up in here
That’s like saying there’s no way of knowing how beef jerky’s gonna taste in my belly just because I switched brands. Dorsey’s a starting NFL talent, regardless of whether he ever meets 1st round star talent.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on May 27, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teicher is primetime's role model
"From Kansas City, I miss home, Cali is business but man its pretty"
by KansasCityShuffle on May 27, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's well understood
Leather jackets, slicked back hair, an affinity for the plaza….aka Carl Peterson is my role model.
by Joel Thorman on May 27, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carl Peterson is the legend
Adam Teicher is the man. Who are you gonna be?
"From Kansas City, I miss home, Cali is business but man its pretty"
by KansasCityShuffle on May 27, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice post Primetime
I get done mowing my yard, come inside and check AP only to find out that Johnston has been cut. What the heck? I am really surprised by that one. This seriously makes me re-think some of the other guys on the roster as you suggest. No job is secure, not even making it to training camp says a lot.
by TheQ on May 27, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No hesitation on the moves, either.
This may mean that the guys who are staying are doing well.
by hmills110 on May 27, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or they are not done cutting folks
Could they really tell from just a few OTAs that Johnston was not going to fit in? Or did he have other issues such as conditioning or mental? This cut still bothers me…CUTS DEEP, Man!
by TheQ on May 27, 2009 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
Money
"From Kansas City, I miss home, Cali is business but man its pretty"
by KansasCityShuffle on May 27, 2009 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone think Dorsey should go?
Leave Dorsey alone he is one of the best defense player on the Chiefs.
by Grand Master A on May 27, 2009 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he should go
But we don’t really know what we’ve got until he lines up as a defensive end for the first time.
by Joel Thorman on May 27, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He'll be a 3-technique, is my guess.
And it’s not going to be all that different from playing DT. Also, I’m expecting a lot of stunts that single him up against the LG. He’ll probably have significantly better stats, even if his #1 responsibility will be plugging things up while the LBs finish. There will probably be a fair amount of 4-3 looks, which will be a LOT more stout than the 4-3 from last year.
Everything I’m hearing (other than from a few “TRADE HIM!” folks) sounds good for the Chiefs and good for Dorsey.
by hmills110 on May 27, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is being totally blown out of proportion
33% OF 2008 CLASS IS GONE!
Makes for a nice attention grabbing headline but its completely lacking in substance when you consider its comprised of a 4th, 6th and two 7th rounders. Any other year when players from those rounds are cut you don’t blink an eye because those guys are longshots to be long term contributors anyway.
I think the headline should be:
41% OF 2008 DRAFT CLASS ARE STARTERS!
If you get 2 starters out of one draft class that is a damn good class. We have FIVE starters in that class with one guy (Jamaal Charles) going to be a key roleplayer in the offense.
Let’s quit digging for dirt where we should be admiring the gold.
by ChiefDJ on May 27, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
One year later?
It’s a bit surprising to me.
Three years down the line it would be different but just a year after they’re drafted (still working on minimum deals) is surprising.
Like I said in the post, Albert, Flowers and Carr are the only ones who have shown something on the field. Dorsey will be switching positions and Cottam will be the featured TE so they’ve still gotta prove something.
by Joel Thorman on May 27, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can't say
Dorsey didn’t “show anything on the field”
he was a solid contributor, and starter, last year that should only get better.
Charles showed some good flashes as well.
by stagdsp on May 28, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dorsey showed something at DT
He’ll be a DE now.
by Joel Thorman on May 28, 2009 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the RIGHT 53
Apparently not the right chemistry or something? Also kind of seemed like we were still over the limit (85 ?) players….or am I having another flashback? But ah yes of course…maybe it portends an as yet unannounced signing of someone else?
by Zodeman on May 27, 2009 11:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No Reason to Panic
This is still a quality class. I would be willing to bet that most teams in the NFL have released 2-4 players from last years draft already as well.
by Skrappy on May 28, 2009 2:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Jared Allens Vaule
looking at this list that means we basically traded Allen for Jamaal Charles and S DaJuan Morgan. Can Charles be an every down back? Also will Morgan even every get playing time behind the other safties, without n injury?
by kevroc12 on May 28, 2009 7:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We also used the pick to get Albert.
They traded up to Detroit with the Minnesota pick.
by Helmets on May 28, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God Bless you Helmets
I was worried there for a second
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on May 28, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, maybe the articles I’ve read and the interviews I’ve listened to are different from what others have read or heard, but since when did we switch to the 3-4!! At this point, no one knows what we are doing, as a matter of fact, Haley himself said it won’t be a traditional 3-4, but a combination of different defensive fronts. So all you Dorsey haters, take a seat & be quiet! This guy is fresh out of college, smart, young, and very athletically talented, I’m sure if Haley wanted to put him at safety, Dorsey could figure it out and make a play!! Give the guy a chance!
As for Cottam, Haley doesn’t use the TE like we’ve grown accustomed to, he will be used more as a blocking TE and will most likely help the RT on running plays & some passing plays. Realistically, his pass catching talents will be utilized more in the redzone because of his size.
So from my perspective, we do have 5 starters from the ’08 class, plus 2 more potential starters in Richardson & Morgan!!
For those of you that don’t know, Barry Richardson is very intelligent. He graduated highschool in 3 yrs and from college in 3 1/2 yrs(talk about a Pioli guy)!
DaJuan Morgan’s problem is that the guys playing in front of him are pretty good, so unless there is an injury he may never get on the field, but in my opinion could earn a name on special teams, considering he’s a ball-hound! If you havn’t watch film on him, do so, he has a nose for the ball!!
by T MO 5 on May 28, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Okay
Ok, maybe the articles I’ve read and the interviews I’ve listened to are different from what others have read or heard, but since when did we switch to the 3-4!!
Derrick Johnson talks about the 3-4 here. Tank Tyler talks about playing the NT in the 3-4 here. Article on Chiefs OTA and practicing in the 3-4 set here. Yes, there will be variations but plenty of people have talked about playing in the 3-4.
So all you Dorsey haters, take a seat & be quiet!
I don’t think anyone is hating on Dorsey. He’s switching positions so he’s a question mark right now. If you read what I wrote, I said the uproar over him switching positions is a tad overblown and I still think there’s a place for him in this defense.
For those of you that don’t know, Barry Richardson is very intelligent. He graduated highschool in 3 yrs and from college in 3 1/2 yrs(talk about a Pioli guy)!
Yes, we went over this. It’s his desire to play that’s been questioned by all the scouting reports coming out.
by Joel Thorman on May 28, 2009 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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