Depth Chart Preview
I was sitting here bored on a rainy Saturday, and I was trying to make sense of all the players we currently have on the roster. I love this time of year because of a the new faces and new possibilities! I am not sure where some of these guys will project or where they will compete for a roster spot, but this is my best guess.
I would love some feedback on projected starters, or if you see I misplaced a player in the wrong position. A lot of players, such as the DEs and LBs will be looked at for different positions along the front 7. The interesting thing to me, is that Pioli seems to love players that can play multiple positions, so do you see any potential Troy Brown players on there? (Hint: Mike Vrabel!) Do you see any diamonds in the rough? Or who do you think will definitely be cut come September? Here we go, the search for the "Right 53" begins!
| R. Price | R. Price | ||||||
| J. McGraw | D. Morgan | ||||||
| C. Smith | J. Page | B. Pollard | |||||
| D. Williams | Free Safety | J. Belcher | Strong Safety | ||||
| C. Mays | W. Dacus | ||||||
| B. Greenwood | D. Johnson | M. Beisel | A. Studebaker | ||||
| J. Bates | W. Gilberry | Will Backer | Z. Thomas | D. Gales | P. Walters | L. Fryar | |
| R. Colclough | B. Johnston | T. J. Jackson | A. Boone | Mike Backer | D. Lokey | D. Robertson | D. Washington |
| M. Leggett | T. McBride | A. Boone | R. Edwards | A. Magee | T. Hali | T. Daniels | |
| B. Carr | A. Magee | G. Dorsey | T. Tyler | T. Jackson | M. Vrabel | B. Flowers | |
| Cornerback | Def. End | Under Tackle | Nose Tackle | Def. End | Sam Backer | Cornerback | |
| Wide Receiver | Tackle | Guard | Center | Guard | Tackle | Tight End | Wide Receiver |
| M. Bradley | B. Albert | B. Waters | R. Niswanger | M. Goff | D. McIntosh | B. Cottam | D. Bowe |
| B. Engram | H. Taylor | E. Harrison | E. Ghiaciuc | B. De La Puente | B. Richardson | T. Curtis | D. Darling |
| T. Copper | C. Goldberg | T. Washington | W. Smith | D. Harris | C. Brown | S. Ryan | J. Webb |
| C.J. Jones | J. Collins | R. Wright | |||||
| Q. Lawrence | J. O'Connell | T. Johnson | |||||
| Quarterback | T. Crabtree | ||||||
| Fullback | M. Cassel | Tailback | |||||
| M. Cox | T. Thigpen | L. Johnson | Chiefs '09 | ||||
| J. O'Connell | B. Croyle | J. Charles | |||||
| J. Williams | I. Martin | K. Smith | |||||
| Long Snapper | Kicker | J. Williams | KR/PR | Punter | |||
| T. Gafford | C. Barth | J. Battle | Q. Lawrence | D. Colquitt | |||
| T. Purdum | R. Succop | D. Savage | D. Savage |
Go Chiefs!
Updated Depth Chart 5/9/09
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Arrowhead Pride's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Arrowhead Pride writers or editors.
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Phase 2 or Next Saturday – Link each name on your chart directly to their latest news/article/bio on AP.
I'm currently reading "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" and it feels like we got ourselves a McMurphy on our hands....wheelin' and dealin'
by Chiefs_swagger on May 2, 2009 3:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That would be cool!
But I can’t even keep up with all the output this site generates in a day! How can I link the “latest” piece on each player?! Although I do hope we can generate some good conversation about some of the little known players. Or roster battles to look for. I personally have no idea who will end up as a DE or OLB. I was surprised to see that Hali and McBride worked out with the linebackers in the mini camp. If they can’t make the transition, do they return to DE and use them as situational pass rushers?
The wide receivers and cornerbacks look like they will be very competitive for roster spots. This is going to be an interesting summer!
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right that would be tough to keep up with
I just picture your chart, and next to Cassel’s name it says “1 new”. Click on it and read his new article. This way you wouldn’t miss articles. Much like we don’t miss comments.
It’s really not much different than searching Matt Cassel in the search box, but visually it’s different. I think it would be easier for people like me to keep up with who’s where, who’s starting, and who’s hurt etc etc.
As far as the competitions go this is what we need. No guaranteed logo’s on your helmet, you gotta earn it!
I'm currently reading "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest" and it feels like we got ourselves a McMurphy on our hands....wheelin' and dealin'
by Chiefs_swagger on May 2, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a really cool idea
I would like to see something like that, a quick reference to each player. Nice.
I really see a lot of Herm’s guys losing out to the new way. We’ll see.
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Add the players' names into the player linked when you edit the story
Then click on the tag of their name and you’ll be taken to their player page, which has all of the SB Nation stories with that player.
by Chris Thorman on May 2, 2009 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like that?
Did I mention that I am the “Anti- IT” guy at work? :)
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anti-IT?
Did I mention that I am the Anti-User guy at work?
You know us IT guys stuff would work so much better if the Damn users would stay of it :)
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 2, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haaaaahaaaaaaaa!
That is what our IT guy says! It is just too much fun to mess stuff up!
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You work where I work don't you?
Have you destroyed two laptop Motherboards with you Aircard connection?
Or had a Soccerball? crush your laptop display?
No you got mad and threw your phone onto floor. Thats you isn’t it:)
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 2, 2009 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't keep all your important emails
in the deleted Exchange folder of your PC do you?
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 2, 2009 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every hero has to have a nemesis!
Might as well be me! :)
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 2, 2009 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OMG
I hate users that do that! It is the deleted folder NOT a storage folder.
Best thing ever was changing out the VPs laptop for a new one finding a ton of porn and getting him fired.
by tevans96 on May 3, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny
I think that happened once where I work…
by ArrowSpread on May 8, 2009 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what does everyone
think of Ghiaciuc? is he a starter over Niswanger?
by chiefsmlb58 on May 2, 2009 4:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If you listen to Bengals fans, no chance
Perhaps they were just looking to bring some competition to every position, so guys don’t feel too comfortable? I still think there is a chance Waters is traded. They won’t tolerate the pouting for much longer. Niswanger would be a better guard in my opinion.
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and..
i forgot to say, what about Colin Brown? I think he should be our starter at RT. not mcsack
by chiefsmlb58 on May 2, 2009 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Barry Richardson
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
by black mamba on May 2, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right tackle could be a good one to watch
If Richardson and Brown can bring it? I think that the shear fact that they drafted Brown says they realize the need to upgrade the right tackle position. I feel Richardson has the best shot at upseating Sacintosh, since he has some time in the league.
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet on Mac to fend off the youngsters in 09
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 2, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Tank Tyler is going to be a very pleasant surprise playing with Dorsey and Jackson
by SayHeyWerd on May 2, 2009 4:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
by black mamba on May 2, 2009 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice sig Mamba
I can’t wait for the next game!
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Me too it seems like they haven’t played in forever. The Bulls-Celtics series has been occupying some of my time now though.
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
by black mamba on May 2, 2009 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that one is a classic.
I am pulling for the Bulls for obvious reasons!
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me Too
But I am predicting Celtics in OT by 2. Paul Pierce hits the buzzer beater turnaround from the free throw line. Last game I predicted the exact outcome too. Don’t underestimate my powers. :)
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
by black mamba on May 2, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! I would never doubt the Black Mamba!
and I think you’re right. Celts too tough at home in this one. Pierce always seems to have the answer. But I love rooting for the underdog. I hope Gordon goes off!
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Derrick Rose Dominates
And Noah dunks on pierce again
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
by black mamba on May 2, 2009 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rose is as good as advertised
and I think that Evans from Memphis is a good as Rose is (pretty close anyway!). I wish the Lakers could get him.
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the hell is Evans?
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
by black mamba on May 3, 2009 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.gotigersgo.com/sports/m-baskbl/mem-m-baskbl-body.html
Tyreke Evans. He was Memphis’ point guard after Rose left. I saw him play in person and he is for real. If Shannon Brown is not our PGOTF then I wish we could get Evans.
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We need a picture to go with sig
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 2, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
I was never one who thought we needed to go and draft Raji. Tank has the size and strength to handle the NT, and he was really coming on last season. 3rd season the charm for him?
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially if he bulks up to like 325 or so
He can f-ing dominate
4 wins down.... 12 more to go
by black mamba on May 2, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
He did like 37 reps at the combine, that tells you something. He has some straight farm boy/man strength, he also has an attitude which got him suspended in college. I can’t think of a better NT myself, mean, nasty, big and strong. Thats all you really need.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on May 2, 2009 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you think of Magee?
Can he start right away for us? It seems like a lot of draft people were high on him.
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also had Magee
tagged as being the starter at RDE. It all depends on how well Dorsey and Jackson play IMO. If those two mesh well together, it could open a lot of doors for Magee.
by SupremeChief on May 2, 2009 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think they think Magee will be the starter at RDE. Could we possibly still be looking at a trade for Dorsey? Not sure if he is in our long term plans, although it does look like this season we will run the 4-3 Under. Lots to still be decided on the defense.
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I honestly hope
we give Dorsey a season being a 3 tech DT. He should do better facing only one linemen. The guy has a lot of talent—I’m mostly impressed by his lateral movements down the line of scrimmage and his quickness. Boy, he sure is quick for a big guy!
I’m estimating he’ll get 6-9 sacks this season.
by SupremeChief on May 2, 2009 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
erase season and insert career :)
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 2, 2009 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagreeabout Magee...
The RDE needs to be the finesse rush guy in the 4-3Under and he does not seem to be that….I see Magee as Backup UT and LDE and bring him in at the NT (Or kick Jackson in there with Magee at LDE) on obvious passing downs…
by woodman212 on May 3, 2009 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is a great point
I was torn about where to put Magee. When I read about him he seems to be able to play all D line positions, is probably a better fit inside, and is big enough to play the nose. But, I also read he can play the 5 technique end, so I figured he would be the only other play slotted to do so besides Jackson. I think he will play a few spots, and be a depth guy if he doesn’t start at RDE. I think Clancy will show a few different fronts as the season goes along, and I am sure they are excited to have so many different D lineman to work with. I am curious who is going to get cut out of this group?
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be fun to watch....
Nice to not be constricted by the Tampon Two anymore….
by woodman212 on May 3, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No kidding!
I am tired of sitting back, I want an attacking style of D. I don’t think we can underestimate the value of having Z.T. and M.V. on the field at the same time. They have a ton of experience that we help this young D mature.
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, the Cover 2 Defense is a really good defense...
But we never ran the cover 2 correctly in KC due to the lack of personnel to play it right.
I like the cover 2. If we ever ran it how it was supposed to be run it can be a dominating physical, smashmouth defense scheme.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on May 6, 2009 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey TC
I have always thought of the Cover 2 style as more of a keep everything in front of you, and try to bring pressure with the front four type of D. Although, if you look at Chicago’s D, they definitely are a physical, smashmouth group because they have the talent up front. But I think in our future 3-4, we are going to be a more blitzing/ zone-blitzing style and we will change our looks quite a bit. Herm never seemed to want to gamble, rather just play it safe and see if we can be in the game at the end. I guess that is why I was tired of it.
by TheQ on May 6, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll try to keep this as short as possible..
The cover 2 is a 2 deep safety zone defense. In order for a 2 deep safety zone defense to work everyone else has to funnel the plays to the inside. The MLB has to account for a zone bubble extending from the line of scrimmage and going 12 yards deep and extending from the left to the right hash marks. The MLB has to be able to pre-snap read, call the D, post snap read, quick decision react, gap protect, stuff the run, and drop back into coverage. That’s his job.
You HAVE to have an incredibally talented player at MLB for the cover 2 to work. THe Chiefs never had one under Conningham, Vermeil or Edwards. Funneling things to the middle only works when your MLB can handle what you funnel there.
In reguards to D-backs the cover 2 REQUIRES “in your face” smash mouth players. The strength of the backfield is in having 2 deep safeties over the middle that zone cover sideline to sideline. Coverages are pushed to the Safeties so that you have double coverage as often as possible on every receiver on the field.
On the line of scrimmage a cover 2 CB absolutely MUST smack the receiver off the snap. Their whole objective is to disrupt the timing of the receiver and shade them outside. You force the receiver to release INSIDE not outside. This pushes the receiver into the MLB shallow and that allows a deep safety to read and react to stay in position. (Does he go middle and pick up the receiver comming off the MLB, or slide outside for another receiver). The Chiefs played some kind of screwed up 5 to 7 yard free no hit zone on the opposing WR’s. Instead of smacking the crap out of them at the line and forcing them inside to the strength of the scheme our CB’s played 5-7 yards off the ball and allowed receivers a free release to go whereever they wanted. This effectively playes the the weakness of the defense.
Every position in the cover 2 MUST push the play to the inside in order for the cover 2 to work.
An example:
From the snap, the Sam has to play outside shade on the TE (in pass coverage) and force the TE to choose a straight release or an inside move. The Sam CANNOT let the TE release outside.
The CB needs to play outside shade on the WR on the strong side and force the WR to make the same decision, striaght release or inside move after he breaks free from the timing destroying smack he takes at the line. The WR cannot have a free release because that sets up bad things for the defense. The WR must be delayed.
Same thing on the weak side. The CB must smack the crap out of the WR and play outside shade to push the WR inside or straight.
If the TE chooses a straight release then the Mike plays gap protect/inside roamer. The strong side safety then spies the QB and reacts to the ball, either stepping up in the zone and doubling the TE OR sliding outside to play double zone on the WR deep allowing the CB to play underneath and shallow.
If the TE chooses an inside release then the Sam backer hands him off to the Mike as he crosses the hash. The Mike pass covers the TE in the shallow middle and the weak safety slides up into the giant zone bubble of the Mike to react to the weakside slot or the TE and only engages if nothing is thrown to the weak side WR. The Sam, after handing off the TE to the Mike slips underneath in the middle and plays the gaps. If no rush comes the Sam assists in the shallow middle on the slot OR blasts a gap in a delay rush.
In either case the strong CB plays outside shade smash on the WR. This allows the the safety a second (maybe 2 if he’s lucky) of time to read the play. If the TE has a straight release then the safety needs to read/react the QB and not commit to either until they know where the play is going. If the TE took the inside release then the safety doesn’t need to assist the Sam in coverage because the Mike is sliding over to pick up the TE as the Sam plays the gaps. This allows the safety to play a double zone on the WR with the CB. The safety will read/react to the BALL and try to make a play on the ball if they can, and be there for the tackle of they cant.
Reverse that for the Slot and WR on the weak side.
The job of rushing the passer sits squarely on the shoulders of the DE’s in the base defense. There are times that other blitz variations can be called, but I’d have to spend 10 pages going over all the read keys and situationals for those.
The bottom line is that the whole system is predicated on the CB’s and Sam/Will’s FORCING the various receivers to play INTO the strength of the defense (the huge bubble covering MLB and the 2 deep safeties) while at the same time smacking the crap out of them at the line of scrimmage to disrupt the timing of the offensive play and taking away the quick no look dumps.
The Chiefs tried to play a cover 2 without a MLB able to read and react to coverages and hand off / pick up the correct receivers at the correct times, and with CB’s that were playing 5-7 yards off the ball and getting absolutely NO disruption on the WR’s off the snap. They allowed the receivers outside releases, and allowed TE’s the same. Becuase nothing was funneled to the inside there was almost no “hand offs” in coverage happening where the zone’s overalapped. Without the hand offs, opposing teams were able to create whatever match ups they wanted to and could dictate the coverage they would be facing. (there is alot more to it than that.. i’m just trying to keep it short) And with no time disrupting hits happening on the WR’s off the line the safeties were not afforded the time to read the play and make the correct reaction as the play developed. This resulted in safeties often being out of position to keep a small gain from becomming a huge one.
I’ll never tire of the cover 2, but I quickly tired of the crap we put on the field and called a cover 2. If you are going to allow WR’s a 5-7 yard free release off the line, and play a never ending train of poor excuses for cover 2 MLB’s on the field there really is no point in using a cover 2.
The one bright spot in our system was DJ. DJ was actually very good in the read/react and coverage hand off role as a LB. He seemed to grasp the scheme and play his part in it very well. It’s just too bad he was the only one. We lined up our CB’s 5-7 yards off the ball because (Law and Surtain) they were just too damn slow to smash a receiver at the line and still be able to run with them in coverage, and because (Carr and Flowers) we were afraid they would get beat because they were so young and inexperienced.
And we haven’t had a LB that could play the MLB “giant ass bubble from hell” on the team in a good 10 years. In the 43 cover 2 the MLB has to be a very special player. An average LB just won’t do.
That’s very very very basic, but about as short as I can keep it.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on May 7, 2009 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 5 recs
Not my fault. He asked me specifically about a defensive coverage scheme
I put a lot of effort into keeping that short. I left a lot out.
The cover 2 can be a smach mouth, run stuffing, in your face defense.
I don’t know what the hell the Chiefs ran, but it wasn’t a cover 2, so I guess the “Tampon Two” is as good a name as any. =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on May 7, 2009 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was awesome!
I am going to cut and paste that description for future use! Seriously, pretty cool.
by TheQ on May 7, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Texas Chief
Makes me speechless.
Thank God I can type while speechless :)
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 7, 2009 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Texas Chief
to call Clancy and make sure that he (TC) approves the defensive scheme that we are running this season, and if Clancy has any questions he has TC’s phone number so he can ask questions! :)
by TheQ on May 8, 2009 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree.
Texas and Kalo should be the KC defensive consiglieri.
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on May 8, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someday the Don is gonna
ask a favor out of you too!
by TheQ on May 8, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy lord that was awesome.
rec’d
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on May 7, 2009 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That guy has too much time on his hands!:)
by TheQ on May 7, 2009 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too Much Astuteness that
he needs to parley into a New Truck IMO
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on May 7, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that they would draft Tyson Jackson just to trade Dorsey.
These guys won a National Championship together and I seriously doubt that Pioli wants to split up the Jackson / Dorsey combo.
by KCChiefs on May 5, 2009 3:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he can
I can bet he has a very high football IQ with decent size to match. He will be the DE covered up by the predator in the 6 tech. Whereas Tyson Jackson will probably play the open side, thats what i got from the press conferences…i may heard wrong. I think they like Jackson’ ability to run down plays and occupy blockers with one hand, that is ideal for the uncovered DE.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on May 4, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope he can start and be an upgrade
over what we have on the roster. We needed some help!
I was a little dissapointed at first with the Jackson pick, but the more I look at him, I am hopeful he can be a really good player. He does have some ideal attributes for the position. It is pretty impressive to push off blockers with one arm!
Thanks for the breakdown. I respect your D line knowledge!
by TheQ on May 4, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully, a very dominate front three.....Dorsey, Tank, Jackson
by jcox31mc on May 2, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully!
I wasn’t sure whether or not to show Dorsey playing the end in the true 3-4, or the “Under” in the 4-3? I believe he is too talented to not play, so it will be interesting how we will use him. With all the picks used on the D line in the last few years, we better be good up front!
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming we'll use
the 4-3 Under as our base defense because a) Pendergast is more familiar with it and b) it’s the perfect fit for most of our players (especially Dorsey).
by SupremeChief on May 2, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I didn't read this comment
before I replied above. You are way ahead of me!
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No worries!
I may be wrong. It’s pure speculation until Pendergast confirms/refutes the theory. I have a feeling we won’t truly know until training camp. It just makes the most sense to me.
by SupremeChief on May 2, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody else just see the news?
The Cowboys practice facility collapsed during a thunderstorm during the rookie mini camp. One person seriously injured. Not good…
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 5:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I wish the absolute best for the men and families of the injured in the bubble collapse...
Having said that, I wish Jerry Jones would have been standing directly under the roof when it fell.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on May 6, 2009 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coming from a Texas guy, that says a lot.
and yes, I am not a fan of owners like Jones. We are extremely lucky to have an owner like Hunt.
by TheQ on May 6, 2009 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post, Q.
As your agent, I fully expect my 15% of the rec’s to be paid to me by Monday.
Oh, and rec’d. :)
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on May 2, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You got it. :)
See any roster treasures? I like Washington and Lawrence. I think both will contribute right away, at least on special teams.
by TheQ on May 2, 2009 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you'll have to add David Johnson
to the QB’s. It’s going to be a real fight now for Brokie and Martin.
Yeah, let's just keep matriculatin' the ball down the field, boys! ...
by oldchiefsfan on May 2, 2009 10:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see the 3-4 alignment the Chiefs'll run and
Oliver Celestin does not play for the Chiefs.
by Dagda on May 3, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I used the 4-3 under as the base alignment
so I could find a spot for guys like Dorsey. I think if we ran a true 3-4 Dorsey would move to End, and some of the RDE would move to ROLB. Otherwise it is basically the same. Help me out here guys if I am wrong.
Good catch on Celestin. I took him off. I looked at a couple of different sources to try and compile the names. There is probably a couple of others who should be up there but aren’t too.
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Excellent table, Q. We’re probably going to steal the code and use it for the season. Appreciate the work.
by Joel Thorman on May 3, 2009 10:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
No problem
It was not as good as I wanted it to look, but I really just wanted to see all the names together in one place. I am getting ready for training camp! And no, I do not have a war room basement with cardboard cutouts of all the players on the depth chart. Really, I don’t.
:)
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure you don't. :)
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on May 3, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But I do belong to Sports Geeks Anonymous Club
Here is a picture of our last meeting.

Wanna join?
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown
I think by the end of the year colin will see some playen time. I know the man and he is a lot faster than people r given him credit for. In high school he was a tightend and a DT . He is a hard worker also. He has been working with will Shields since mu’s season was over some maybe he has learned a thing or two. It is just good to see a hometown guy get a chance and him be a good guy instead of a lot of the people that get drafted who are…………. well…………… jerks. I wish him all the luck!
by gregallen711 on May 3, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He definitely has the experience pass blocking
Even if the Spread doesn’t require that you hold blocks for very long. And I do hope he can be our RT of the future, because we really need one. I think that it is really cool that we drafted a hometown guy who grew up loving the Chiefs. You know he is going to give his all to make this team! I wish him all the luck as well.
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice chart Q
your linebacker alignment is shifted to the wrong side though. you have them shifted to the left which is the strong side. this alignment is a 4-3 over and since we are running the under, the linebackers should be shifted to the right, or weak side. regradless nice chart. you spent some time giving us a glimps of how our D may look so you get my rec.
by Leaf on May 3, 2009 8:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Leaf
I really don’t know the intricacies of this defense, in fact, I am waiting for Texas Chief to tear me apart! The hardest part was deciding who would get a chance to play linebacker, and who will play a down end. A lot of these players may get looks at both. So, would the weakside linebacker be lined up outside of the RDE?
by TheQ on May 3, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I referred to this graphic from KaloPhoenix's excellent post about the 4-3 Under

by TheQ on May 3, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
while wikipedia is not the ideal source
this is the best i could come up with quickly. if you scroll down and look at the 4-3 under formation they show the linebackers sliding over to the weak side. what they don’t show, but KaloPhoenix pics shows well, is the NT sliding over to the stong side of the center. the whole point of the under D is to stack defenders on the weak side of the O-Line in hopes of collapsing it. because of this generally the under is better at the pass while the over is generally better against the run as it plugs up the stong side.
by Leaf on May 3, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense to me.
And it allows our Will (DJ) to play in a position that should utilize him better too.
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So I could see us switching back and forth a lot during the course of the game, depending on if we think it will be a run or pass?
by TheQ on May 4, 2009 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is all so confusing....
But yes….The defense many, including myself have been talking about for weeks as being the Under set is actually the 4-3 Over.
In the Over defense the DLine shifts toward the TE side….
The big thing about it is to have someone right over the center either way….The 70s steelers did a lot of this in their day. Glenn Dorsey could be the next Mean Joe!
by woodman212 on May 4, 2009 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
to tell you the truth
i didn’t know crap about defensive formations until this season. i knew the basics about 4-3, 3-4, nickle, dime and their general uses, but i’ve done a ton of research this season and my understanding of individual roles and their effectivness in these defensive formations has grown vastly. with the knowledge i’ve gained i really want to bust out madden 08 to see if my play calling has improved any. i might even attempt to design a playbook.
by Leaf on May 4, 2009 2:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
We will probably attempt to shift with a change in offensive strength. So if a TE goes in motion our DL might be switching because it sounds lik the positions for the under/over are different. Whereas in a 4-3 they are mostly interchangeable (LDE could play RDE etc…) I wonder how this is gonna work??
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on May 4, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am a little confused, but I am learning!
We are going to be the most knowledgable fans in the league! Thank you guys for sharing!
Mean Joe, that would be sweet!
by TheQ on May 4, 2009 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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