The good news is that Thomas Dimitroff had New England ties, too, and he circled the bases in his first turn as a GM in Atlanta. The bad news: Pioli's first draft with Kansas City: There are reaches everywhere. He also reversed the team's Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel. You can do that when you're at or near the top, like New England. But this is a team that lost 23 of its last 25, for crying out loud.
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I don't think adding 4 veterans negates a youth movement.
I do not snort the coke I only smoke...sensimilla.
by HIV 2 Elway on May 14, 2009 2:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1...
we need to stop the bleeding. I will take Beisal, Thomas, Engram and Vrabel over undrafted free agents all day. This is what Parcells does too. They are called hold the fort guys. Losing becomes a culture after a while.
by I_Bleed_Red. on May 14, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus we've ditched Donnie Edwards, Gonzalez, and Damon Huard.
There’s been no real increase in 30-something veterans. Just different 30-something veterans
by RedNose on May 14, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also reversed the team’s Get Young Now policy by adding 30-something discards like Bobby Engram, Zach Thomas, Monty Beisel and Mike Vrabel.
Uhhh, in case no one noticed, the “Get Young Now” policy wasn’t working…
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on May 14, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very true....
And that speaks directly to Pioli’s comments the other day on the podcast. He mentioned that he doesn’t like to “marry” himself to a particular theory or policy like a “youth movement”. We need to WIN games, regardless of the age of our players. So get the best players at every position that are available and economical while building you FUTURE team through the draft.
Carl Peterson’s main problem was not the veterans he brought in every year but the fact that his drafts SUCKED royal dick.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
by bigbe on May 14, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can one say that? The concept of a “get young now” policy involves taking lumps while the youngsters learn to play. Of course losses are going to happen. The problem is that the Chiefs organization sucked arse under Peterson for at least the latter half of his tenure, so it’s hard to say how whether the losses were due to the simultaneous learning curve at so many positions (the youth movement, in other words) or failures in drafting or coaching.
by burntorangehorn on May 14, 2009 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is getting tiresome.....
I feel like a lot of people feel like we should be able to turn it around for this year. I think that it a little presumptuous. I think we are doing well filling in holes for the short term while we search for affordable long tem solutions. I am waiting two years before I start thinking playoffs.
by NCChiefs on May 14, 2009 2:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I may not agree with him...
but the article was well written and thought out.
by ravenhawk on May 14, 2009 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
He praises the Jets and the Lions for doing what they had to do and fixing the most blaring problem (QB) and then questions us bringing in Cassel. Sounds to me like he is talking in circles or out his a$$.
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on May 14, 2009 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He labeled Cassel as a Gamble...
That means you either win big or you lose what you put on the table. I’m ok with Pioli making this gamble. Nobody knows Cassel’s salary as he said he is getting 14 mil. As said it was well thought out but I don’t agree with everything said…
If Detriot drafted anybody else they would have been labeled as gamblers… The Jets gambled in their BOLD move to get Sanchez. The Jets put more on the table and could win bigger(he also explained why he put them in the bold area. I don’t see the Matt Cassell trade as being bold.
by ravenhawk on May 14, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't question us.
He says that Cassel is a gamble.. He is a gamble. Period. He’s a 7th round pick who was almost cut before the season, and then stepped in to the best passing offense the NFL has EVER seen and performed pretty well. Now we’re going to give him a huge contract and trade away a high 2nd round pick and putting him in what could generously be called an “average” offense.
Is he destined for failure? Judge doesn’t say. He just says there’s a lot of question marks. The Jets have absolutely nothing going on at QB and at least they got a highly rated QB, even if he’s probably just as much of a gamble as Cassel.
by JayrodT on May 14, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You wonder though....
If you’re defending his article then please explain to me how the Lions did the right thing with Stafford and his contract but us getting Cassel is a ‘gamble’.
We got a quarterback with great potential, field time, and experience with a NE style system PLUS a great veteran LB for a 2nd round pick.
If that’s a big gamble then I hope Pioli rolls those same dice every offseason.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on May 14, 2009 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, Jux.
This “Judge” character is no judge. I think you could be contrarian on the Chiefs’ moves, but the empty-headed way he goes about it has zero substance. After a 2-14 season with the youngest roster in the league, 3 departures and 3 additions of 30-somethings isn’t a sudden abandonment of a “youth movement.” Heck, the youth movement is OVER, by any serious measure, and it’s time to move on. This Judge guy is talking through his ass, basing his weighty comments on a superficial reading of a few headlines, and cobbling his articles together with little thought.
by hmills110 on May 14, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
What he said
There's always next week,,, and when we run out of weeks, there's always next year!
by Spiderwomn69 on May 14, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be most mass media to me
Let's Kick some ASS in 09 or Die trying
by Steve_Chiefs on May 14, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
basically...
Matt Stafford was the must pick at the number 1 spot from all the media hype. The Lions were cornered in for a new ‘face’ for the franchise. Thier pick wasn’t a stretch as a result.
I personally liked Sanchez better and would have went OL with the #1 overall, and then picked up Sanchez or Freeman later in the draft. Instead they picked up a possible star, and another target for him to hit. That isn’t to bad for first round.
by ravenhawk on May 14, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't say Cassel was almost cut
NESilver will come and get crazy on your ass
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
by 808NaNz808 on May 14, 2009 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just because you get a highly rated QB
doesn’y mean you are not going to bust. this cracks me up when i hear this. i’m not going to get into the whole who’s better cassel or staford, but to say the move for staford and sanchez were better moves is absolute garbage. the list of highly rated QBs that have busted in the NFL is extensive. it is everybit of a gamble to take a highly rated QB as it is to take a low rated one. maybe even more so when you compare money. in the case of cassel he has something stafford and sanchez don’t and that’s experience and proven ability in the NFL. sure he could do worse than ha did in NE but then again stafford isn’t going to the Pats either. considering the fact that we didn’t have a solid QB option (nothing against Thiggy but betting that he’ll be the QB of the future is every bit as much of a gamble as picking up cassel) and the size of our pot of gold the cassel deal isn’t going to hurt us regardless of how he does so it’s hardly a gamble.
by Leaf on May 14, 2009 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone that characterizes not retaining Pacman as "a move"
Is filling his basket with low-hanging fruit.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on May 14, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he called Cassel's contract a risk, but Haynseworth's one of the smartest...
with no mention of injury tendency. Also, no mention of TG in either Chiefs observation?
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on May 14, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Jets
were “smart” to move up and grab a QB with less NFL experience than Cassel… Let’s not forget that praise.
My crystal ball says that the Chiefs will not be drafting Aaron Curry. Their record at the end of 2009 will be 10-6. After witnessing the 2009 draft, their record will be 8-8.
by IISaiNtII on May 14, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clark Judge is a Moron
Let’s take a look at his preseason predictions from last year shall we?
I’ll review some of his highlights:
He picked the Falcons to finish dead last in their division. Oops.
He picked the Dolphins to finish dead last in their division. Double Oops!
He picked the Ravens to finish dead last in their division. Hmmm
He picked the Browns to finish 2nd in their division.
He also thought the Seahawks would win their divison.
He picked Green Bay to win the division.
Coach of the year? According to Judge? NORV TURNER.
What a moron. He also picked the Chargers to beat the Pats in the AFC Title Game AND to win the Super Bowl…against the Saints.
To recap:
He correctly predicted 6 of the 12 Playoff teams. A monkey could predict 6 of 12 playoff teams.
Of his 4 teams he predicted to be in the conf. championships only ONE actually made the playoffs, and they were 8-8.
Inclosing, he doesn’t know jack shit. In fact, if his opinion of our draft and direction are as good as his predictions for the Falcons, Dolphins and Cardinals of last year, we arein for a helluva fun season! Thanks Clark!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/10959727
Take a look and see if you can count how many things he got wrong.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on May 14, 2009 3:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
We “won” the draft last year. And we lost the season.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on May 14, 2009 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have to agree though...
that this is one of his better written articles.
by ravenhawk on May 14, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it well written.
If inaccuracy, silly predictions, and logical missteps count as actual information..
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on May 14, 2009 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Norv Turner was a Denver implosion away from getting fired last year.
I think he gets fired this year.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on May 14, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL i love this
MVP
Tom Brady, New England: Hey, why not? The Pats play a cake schedule, which means he gets to put up big numbers again. So he doesn’t throw 50 TD passes. He throws 35. This club is nowhere without him, and isn’t that the definition of MVP?
if the Pats are nobody without Brady then why is Cassel such a gamble. obviously there is no talent on the Pats so Cassel must be the man to win as many games as he did.
by Leaf on May 14, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
point taken but...
….I don’t think anybody really expected falcons, dolphins, ravens were going to do was as well as they were with rookie QBs and Pennington. The browns were a big flop, but he certainly wasn’t alone in predicting some success there.
Seahawks, Green bay, and norv turner – ok, you got me there.
by paxi on May 15, 2009 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Seahawks...
…had won their division every year for the last four years – SF and STL have been in the dumps for just as many – and very few people expected the Cardinals to be as potent as they ended up being. Up until Hasselbeck hurt his back there wasn’t any bad reason to think they would win again. I certainly thought they would.
Sorry, don’t want to back up the guys claims, but Seattle is my 2nd favorite team after KC, so I have to back my (other) guys. ;)
by jbj8609 on May 15, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*correction
…“there wasn’t any bad reason to think they wouldn’t win again.” And while I’m at it, the Seattle also got as far as the 2nd round of the playoffs in ‘07, so I’m still confused as to why thinking they would win the NFC West in 08 was such a crazy notion. Certainly their age was going to catch up to them at some point (we here are all too familiar with that story), but I never would have thought it would be so “all of the sudden” as to make for a 4-12 season.
OK, I’ll come off it, now. :)
This blog is in desperate need of an edit function…or at least a permission to delete entries and retype.
by jbj8609 on May 15, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*correction
reading my sentence again, I think I was right the first time.
yeah…edit function…seriously.
by jbj8609 on May 15, 2009 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
HE PICKED NORV TURNER TO WIN COACH OF THE YEAR
Case and point.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on May 14, 2009 4:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Help jog my memory?
On which team did Clark Judge serve as VP of Player Personnel?
I actually like most of Judge’s articles in that they’re well written, but I take anything these guys say with a grain of salt.
by jbj8609 on May 14, 2009 4:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention...
….Beisel is just starting to get up there, but I wouldn’t throw him in with the likes of Engram, Thomas or even Vrabel, quite yet…
by jbj8609 on May 14, 2009 4:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Judge's credibility
He lost all of it after Pioli was hired and he wrote an article claiming the Chiefs should have promoted Kuharich instead.
by SlipperyPete on May 14, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Idiot
Another blithering idiot blithers on.
by Zodeman on May 14, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This is stupid...
It’s not about youth…it is about complimenting the youth with the right veterans…
by woodman212 on May 14, 2009 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The "better" QB
If the “better” QB goes to Detroit and the Lions continue to suck, then it doesn’t matter how good anyone thinks the player is. If Cassel is a good QB and he fits will with a brilliant offensive scheme, then screw Stafford. What matters is how the player fits the system. That being said, there’s a reason Josh McDaniels wanted Cassel as much as Pioli. Knowing that McDaniels, Pioli and Haley all want Cassel is good enough for me. The Chiefs could have had Stafford or Snachez and they opted for Cassel. Denver could have traded up for Sanchez.
We’re fine. And, we have a FAR better offensive scheme and coaches than Detroit and most other teams. Haly-Gailey is strong. Cassel isn’t a gamble. He’s a safe choice who I will bet is far more productive than Stafford over the next five years.
by ChiefConcern on May 14, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Knowing how a player fits into a system and building a great system for the players you can obtain is what makes the NE organization so great. I really hope Pioli was the brains behind most of the operations at New England and not belichick.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on May 15, 2009 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cassel vs Sanchez
Chiefs paid this price for Cassel:
a 2nd round pick
(Patriots throw in Vrabel)
What did the Jets pay for Sanchez?
a first-round (No. 17)
a second-round (No. 52)
Plus the Jets gave up Kenyon Coleman, Abram Elam and Brett Ratliff.
I love the way these sports pundits fall in love with players who have never played a single snap in the NFL. Trading up to get Mark Sanchez a ‘smart move’? Sanchez has potential, but he’s a Junior QB who has never thrown a pass in the NFL… in fact his entire resume is one year of starting QB experience at USC.
Cassel’s resume is also only one year, but it’s a solid year of NFL experience. And he’s studied behind some good mentors, namely Brady at NE and Palmer at USC. Leinart beat out Cassel for the starting USC job on Carrol’s coin-toss. And we all know how that turned out.
This writer is clearly on drugs if he rates the Cassel trade a gamble and the acquisition of Sanchez a smart move.
by Pilcrow on May 15, 2009 6:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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