Digging Around More in the Draft Day Mind of Scott Pioli and the Kansas City Chiefs
Courtesy of AP reader soybon
Trying to guess what players teams will draft at the end of April is at best a complete spin of the roulette wheel. That's why all of these mock drafts (ours included) are best used as information conduits about top prospects rather than a specific, pick by pick plan. That's why we're talking about draft trends today, AP readers.
As the vast majority of you already knew, Kansas City Chiefs GM Scott Pioli spent 2001 to 2008 in charge of the New England Patriots personnel department. During that time, in case you can't recall, the Patriots were pretty gosh darn good then. Super Bowls and stuff. Pro Bowls even...
As the person in charge of pro personnel, Scott Pioli was heavily involved in the NFL draft. I know Bill Belichick and others were big players in the Patriots draft war room but for now, we're going to try to draw some draft day conclusions about what Scott Pioli may do based on those Patriots' drafts from '01 to '08. More specifically, since this year's draft talk seems to center more on positions than marquee players, let's look at how Scott Pioli drafted by position while he was in New England. Yes, I'm sure this has been done before on AP. But since you're already here, buy the ticket, take the ride.
Eight years of drafting. 67 players drafted. That's our starting point. FIrst, the offense.
| C | G | T | QB | RB | FB | TE | WR | K |
| 1 | 3 | 6 | 4 | 4 |
2 |
6 |
6 |
2 |
A couple things we can immediately glean from this. First, Pioli isn't likely to chase after too many running backs. Aside from the BPA pick of Laurence Maroney in the first round of the 2006 draft, Pioli hasn't spent higher than a fourth round pick on a running back. It's clear the Patriots were ahead of the league in the running back by committee trend we're seeing now and that Pioli puts less emphasis on the position.
One really interesting stat to me is the six tight ends drafted, with two of those picks coming in the first round. Seems a bit contrary to normal football strategy, no? Is this another indicator that best player available is the draft day mantra in Pioli's head? Perhaps.
Pioli is all over the draft map with his offensive linemen picks. The highest pick was spent on the offensive line was a guard in 2005 (32nd pick of that draft). After that, Pioli picked tackles and guards throughout the draft.
One more interesting aspect of the Pioli Patriot drafts is that half of the six wide receivers taken were drafted in the second round.Two of those players, Chad Jackson and Bethel Johnson, were pretty much busts. The other second round pick, Deion Branch, had productive years in New England and then the Patriots did what they do best and parlayed Branch into a first round pick from the Seahawks.
Okay, on to the defensive picks.
| DB | LB | DT | NT | DE |
| 14 | 9 | 4 | 1 | 5 |
Right off the bat I'll mention that Scott Pioli didn't mess around when it comes to defensive ends for the Patriots 3-4 defense. Two of those five DE picks were in the first round and one more was in the second round. On top of that, the one nose tackle pick Vince Wilfork, was also chosen in the first round.
Other than the high priority on defensive ends, there realy isn't anything earth shattering here. Pioli has spread his picks fairly evenly across the positions requiring the most depth and players.
After the jump, I've listed all of the New England Patriots' draft picks from 2001 to 2008 so you can take a look at them for yourself.
Anything jump out at you?
| Year | Round | Pick | Player | Position |
| 2003 | 5 | 164 | Dan Koppen | C |
| 2007 | 1 | 24 | Brandon Meriweather | DB |
| 2003 | 2 | 36 | Eugene Wilson | DB |
| 2008 | 2 | 62 | Terrence Wheatley | DB |
| 2005 | 3 | 84 | Ellis Hobbs | DB |
| 2001 | 3 | 86 | Brock Williams | DB |
| 2004 | 3 | 95 | Guss Scott | DB |
| 2004 | 4 | 113 | Dexter Reid | DB |
| 2003 | 4 | 120 | Asante Samuel | DB |
| 2008 | 4 | 129 | Jonathan Wilhite | DB |
| 2005 | 4 | 133 | James Sanders | DB |
| 2001 | 6 | 200 | Leonard Myers | DB |
| 2007 | 6 | 202 | Mike Richardson | DB |
| 2006 | 7 | 229 | Willie Andrews | DB |
| 2004 | 7 | 233 | Christian Morton | DB |
| 2001 | 1 | 6 | Richard Seymour | DE |
| 2003 | 1 | 13 | Ty Warren | DE |
| 2004 | 2 | 63 | Marquise Hill | DE |
| 2002 | 4 | 126 | Jarvis Green | DE |
| 2006 | 6 | 191 | Jeremy Mincey | DE |
| 2003 | 4 | 117 | Dan Klecko | DT |
| 2007 | 4 | 127 | Kareem Brown | DT |
| 2006 | 6 | 206 | LeKevin Smith | DT |
| 2003 | 7 | 243 | Ethan Kelley | DT |
| 2006 | 4 | 106 | Garrett Mills | FB |
| 2003 | 7 | 234 | Spencer Nead | FB |
| 2005 | 1 | 32 | Logan Mankins | G |
| 2006 | 6 | 205 | Dan Stevenson | G |
| 2007 | 7 | 247 | Mike Elgin | G |
| 2006 | 4 | 118 | Stephen Gostkowski | K |
| 2001 | 7 | 216 | Owen Pochman | K |
| 2008 | 1 | 10 | Jerod Mayo | LB |
| 2008 | 3 | 78 | Shawn Crable | LB |
| 2001 | 5 | 163 | Hakim Akbar | LB |
| 2005 | 5 | 170 | Ryan Claridge | LB |
| 2007 | 6 | 180 | Justin Rogers | LB |
| 2008 | 6 | 197 | Bo Ruud | LB |
| 2007 | 7 | 211 | Oscar Lua | LB |
| 2003 | 7 | 239 | Tully Banta-Cain | LB |
| 2001 | 7 | 239 | T.J. Turner | LB |
| 2004 | 1 | 21 | Vince Wilfork | NT |
| 2008 | 3 | 94 | Kevin O'Connell | QB |
| 2002 | 4 | 117 | Rohan Davey | QB |
| 2003 | 6 | 201 | Kliff Kingsbury | QB |
| 2005 | 7 | 230 | Matt Cassel | QB |
| 2006 | 1 | 21 | Laurence Maroney | RB |
| 2004 | 4 | 128 | Cedric Cobbs | RB |
| 2007 | 6 | 208 | Justise Hairston | RB |
| 2002 | 7 | 237 | Antwoine Womack | RB |
| 2001 | 2 | 48 | Matt Light | T |
| 2001 | 4 | 96 | Kenyatta Jones | T |
| 2005 | 3 | 100 | Nick Kaczur | T |
| 2006 | 5 | 136 | Ryan O'Callaghan | T |
| 2007 | 5 | 171 | Clint Oldenburg | T |
| 2007 | 6 | 209 | Corey Hilliard | T |
| 2002 | 1 | 21 | Daniel Graham | TE |
| 2004 | 1 | 32 | Ben Watson | TE |
| 2006 | 3 | 86 | David Thomas | TE |
| 2001 | 4 | 119 | Jabari Holloway | TE |
| 2001 | 6 | 180 | Arther Love | TE |
| 2005 | 7 | 255 | Andy Stokes | TE |
| 2006 | 2 | 36 | Chad Jackson | WR |
| 2003 | 2 | 45 | Bethel Johnson | WR |
| 2002 | 2 | 65 | Deion Branch | WR |
| 2008 | 5 | 153 | Matt Slater | WR |
| 2004 | 5 | 164 | P.K. Sam | WR |
| 2002 | 7 | 253 | David Givens | WR |
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One really interesting stat to me is the six tight ends drafted, with two of those picks coming in the first round. Seems a bit contrary to normal football strategy, no? Is this another indicator that best player available is the draft day mantra in Pioli’s head? Perhaps.
I thought the 6 picks spent here was more a result of them continually missing on finding that solid TE – it looks to me like evaluating TE talent was a weakness in the Hoodie/Don draft room
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
PVC is Pioli to my Belichick
Excellent way of looking at it, by the way. I think that does say something about TG and the future of him on the team.
I wasn't knocking you
I do think Pioli and Belichick follow the BPA strategy (most of the teams that are strong year after year pick BPA), I was just saying, if there was a weakness in Pioli and Belichick’s evaluations of talent, it was at the TE position.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
I imagine we will have a KC Gold sighting with this...
Interesting stuff Chris…Im most looking forward to maybe (for a change) getting an O-Lineman that is worth a damn that doesn’t cost us a 1st rounder….Seems like the past few years every lineman we drafted late was worthless…Let’s have no delusions about Herbie or Richardson…
I'm not ready to give up on Richardson..
he’s a big dude who played against first rate defenses in the SEC. I think he’ll be servicable after having a year to develop.
I am not giving up on him either necessarily...
But…you have to be pretty bad to not get a shot on the right side of the line we had last year….
Then again…we didn’t exactly have the best staff in place to develop/recognize his talent…so…
Yes, I should have worded it more to eliminate them from discussion since it is so early in their careers…
Continuity
The reason the younger guys on the line last year didn’t get a chance was Herm. He stated that he wanted continuity on the O-line and thus would stick with his day one starters for the season barring injury. So the fact that no one beat out McIntosh was a reflection on Herm’s philosophy not on the player’s talent.
I think
that had a lot to do with The King and the stupid contract he gave Sacintosh….b/c we all thought herbie would be
Yea....
I think it has a lot to do with what both you and tevans said…
Continuity is crucial for O-Lines but I think they picked the wrong group have continuously because of the McIntosh contract…
I can hear Carl saying...
“….Herman, I am not paying this guy x-million a year to sit on the bench….he will play…”
“…now I have got to go my Leather Daddies meeting…”
McIntosh
One thing I will give the guy is that he got better as the season went along. I wouldn’t have a problem if he won the spot again this year, it would just mean that he has gotten better. I would rather one of the young guys beat him out of the position though.
If this school computer didn't block youtube...
I would try to find that video of him stackin em up on the Charles breakaway…
What kind of amateurs do you think you're dealing with?
Ones that don’t recognize an Arrested Development reference when we see one? Come on, cut us some slack ;)
Oh, thank God...
I was quite worried…
“Michael is just fine…I saw just a sliver of his buttocks and it is fresh and firm as a Georgia peach…”
Very good post!
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Seems to me that Pioli is a little more concerned
with building the special teams, and overall quality of the roster. He worries a lot less about getting that “one guy” who might make the difference. They seem to practice this “team concept” idea in everything they do.
Vermeil sold our future for the greatest Offense in the league at the time, Pioli would never do that. But there does seem to be a few positons they feel are paramount to the success of the team. DE and NT as Chris suggested. Also pretty interesting to me how many QBs he has drafted, albeit later in the draft. Always looking for that diamond in the rough.
I am also really impressed with how they are preparing for the draft. Maybe I just wasn’t around here last year at this time, but I don’t remember Herm bringing in so many players for private workouts? I feel confident that whoever they draft, they will feel comfortable that these will be the players they wanted.
You know I think most of us could agree on the subject...
…if we just broke it down.
My biggest thing is that LJ should not just be cut. There are probably some people out there that do, and that’s just ridiculous.
If we could get a 3rd or maybe a 4th out of LJ or package him as part of a trade down deal, then so be it. Bye Bye LJ. But the idea that if we can’t trade him, we should just cut him is silly. Why would cut someone when there is even a small chance that they could be valuable to us. We had 2 wins last year, now is not the time to be taking any possible player off the table.
I invite you to try to change my mind for just cutting him.
Seriously. Pioli just wanted to open up his options. Now he can do whatever he wants. LJ can be sent packing with a benefit for us, boom no money.
No trade suitors, no trade down package? Boooom. We have the possibility of an average to decent running back on the roster who knows he has one last shot to not go down as a failure.
So concluding, Business is Business and Pioli isn’t going to throw away a player who has ANY potential.
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