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Should the Chiefs Go After Braylon Edwards?


Let me first start off by saying I am on the fence about this myself. While we have been in this dead period after the meat of free agency and before the draft we have covered a lot of different trade scenarios for the Chiefs. There has certainly been a lot of Crabtree talk but not much talk about trading for an established receiver.

 

Enter Braylon Edwards.

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The Browns are definitely entertaining offers for this guy. John Clayton over at ESPN thinks that Edwards would go for a 1st and a 3rd round pick. I think that sounds about right. Maybe a team could grab him for a 1st and 4th. When I read that it got me to thinking. What if the Chiefs acquired Edwards?

There is an obvious upside. We have a new, young QB starting his first season with the team. The more receiving help we can get him the better. We already have Bowe and Tony G. Plug in a guy like Edwards, with Engram in the slot and you have a nice mix of veteran talent, youth and speed for your new franchise passer. This would be certain to speed up Cassel’s learning curve.

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The nightmare here would be if Edwards keeps dropping passes but I don’t think that will happen. I see last year as more of a fluke year for him. If he returns to his 2007 form where he had 1289 yards receiving with 16 TD’s and D-Bowe throws in a 1000 yards of his own the Chiefs are going to have a sick offense.

 I took a look at the NFL Draft Value Chart and I decided to value Edwards as a mid 1st round pick, or #16 for 1000 points. If the Browns want a 1st and a 3rd for him then the 16th pick in rounds 1 and 3 would put his value at 1,190 points. Obviously this is just my opinion about his value but it gives us a bit of an idea of what the Chiefs would have to give up to acquire him.

Obviously it would be foolish for the Chiefs to give up their first this year, as they have no 2nd round pick. However, I still think it can be done.

 

I propose this 2-part scenario.

Part One;

 The Chiefs trade their 2010 1st round selection and their 2009 3rd round selection for Braylon Edwards. The Browns have no 3rd round pick and the Chiefs have an early 3rd rounder.

If Edwards has a value of around 1,190 points the Chiefs would be giving the Browns exactly what they want. I am sure the Browns would be happy with this deal and would take it.

I know what you are saying. Patrick, this is a terrible trade for the Chiefs. We would now be without a 2nd rounder AND a 3rd rounder which would leave us little chance of shoring up our D or O line for this season PLUS we’d be out a 1st round pick next year. I agree completely. I do not think this would be a good trade for the Chiefs unless part 2 of my suggested scenario can work.

 

 Part Two;

 The Browns have had their share of day one busts. See Couch, Tim. I am sure they would be happy to have a sure thing in LB Aaron Curry. Unfortunately for the Browns, they pick at #5 and it is unlikely that Curry will fall that far given Kansas Cities need for help at LB.

I suggest the Chiefs and Browns, swap spots in the first round if Aaron Curry is still available. This way the Browns move up two spots and grab a sure thing, the Chiefs move back two spots and still have a top 5 pick. The Browns would owe the Chiefs 500 value points for the 3rd rounder. To make up for this the Browns would give the Chiefs one of their two 2nd round picks. The Browns currently have #4 in the 2nd round and #18 from the Bucs.

The #4 pick in round 2 is worth 540 points. I doubt the Browns will want to give up their early 2nd rounder as they have so few picks this year but hell, if we throw in LJ they might go for it.

The more likely scenario is they give us the 18th pick which is worth 400 points and maybe a player or a later round pick.

Normally I wouldn’t think a team would trade a 2nd rounder to move up two spots to get one guy but the Browns have a surplus in the 2nd round. Also, if part two of the deal was a condition of the Edwards deal then the entire deal is fattened for the Browns who are getting an early 3rd rounder this year and an extra 1st next year.

This is a trade I think works for both teams. Currently the Browns only have a first rounder, two second round choices, no third rounder, a fourth, no fifth and a sixth. This is due to Phil Savage foolishly going "all in" on last season’s team.

After the trade with the Chiefs the Browns would have Aaron Curry, an early or mid 2nd rounder (plus maybe LJ), an early third rounder, a fourth and a sixth plus KC’s 1st rounder next year.

The Chiefs would come out with the 5th pick, an early or mid 2nd rounder, 4th, 5th, 6th and two 7ths. Add to that Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel and Braylon Edwards.  

The Chiefs could still snag a LB of they like Orakpo or Everette Brown or they could solidify the o-line with Andre Smith. KC could then use their newly acquired 2nd rounder and third round for defensive needs.

I don’t know about you but I like an offense with Cassel, Edwards, D-Bowe, Tony, "Smash and Dash  Kolby Smith and Jamaal Charles," with Brandon Albert, Andre Smith and Brian Waters on the O-Line.

I know a lot of trade scenarios proposed on the boards have been absurd and mine obviously depends a lot on the Browns taking a 1st rounder next year and wanting to give up a 2nd rounder to get Curry but I think it is possible. Curry is a much safer bet than the 18th pick in the second round and I feel like the trade works out for everyone.

 

I may also be crazy.

 

What do you guys think?

Poll
Should the Chiefs try to acquire Braylon Edwards?
Yes, Cassel needs recievers.
99 votes
No. Edwards is a bum and he drops the ball more than D-Bowe!
67 votes
Yes, if they can get the articles prposed scenerio.
55 votes
No. We have other needs and should save our picks.
120 votes

341 votes | Poll has closed

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I was thinking about it this morning and yes we should go after him

and we should go after bolden while we are at it . I know I know another cardnal and him and haley will have heated exchanges but at the end of the day the boy can play and we need play makers right now. Him and bowe would be tops in the league.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 7, 2009 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm all for speculation

but this is spectacularization. Too many things to think about, makes my brain hurt.

My crystal ball says Jay Cutler cries himself to sleep every night.

by IISaiNtII on Apr 7, 2009 10:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Maybe

I didn’t explain it well. It is actually pretty simple.

Chiefs trade 2010 1st rounder and 2009 3rd rounder for Edwards.

and

Browns and Chiefs swap 2009 first rounders for the Browns 2nd rounder (18th pickin rd 2)

or

Browns and Chiefs swap 1st rounders for Browns early 2nd rounder and the Chiefs throw in L.J.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions  

I voted for the last thing...

We have too many needs, if we want a WR we will take Crabtree.

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions  

i like the swap and trade lj

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 7, 2009 11:04 AM CDT reply actions  

That is true

it could be ab option just to move back two spots, get a 2nd rounder and get rid of LJ

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I support this

Just so long as we stay the hell away from Braylon “I drop passes” Edwards.

Moving down to 5 so we could ditch LJ and slide back up into the second would be a stellar value move as LJ is a liability for us at the moment and I’d rather miss out on Curry and allow ourselves to take Shonn Green at the top of the 2nd, filling another hole with a bruising 1st round talent at RB.

I don’t see this happening though because I just can’t see the Browns accepting that offer. We come out of the deal far better off than Browns with this scenario and while Mangini does make stupid decisions with breathtaking consistency, I just can’t see them being willing to ditch Edwards. If they had a franchise QB established then I’d say it’s a done deal but at best Anderson and Quinn will battle out in camp. Remove Edwards from the system and Coles is the only receiver they can count on with Stallworth in legal trouble (to say the least). Despite his affinity for dropping passes he still commands attention from opposing secondaries and that means teams will be forced to single cover Coles when both are on the field. Either Edwards gets left wide open or Coles rips a big gain.

by JHWK on Apr 7, 2009 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Strike the part

about Coles. That’s my bad entirely, I think work is starting to get to me!

by JHWK on Apr 7, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

One bad thing

The only thing that bothers me about this is the fact we are losing LJ. We need a threat in the running game to give Cassel a chance. I know LJ has his problems, but I think we need him this year. Smith and Charles aren’t going to strike fear into our opponents eyes with a running threat. With LJ back there they have to stack the box at times giving Cassel better passing options.

by dj_hindle on Apr 7, 2009 11:08 AM CDT reply actions  

True

We could keep LJ and try to snag the late 2nd rounder. However, with the kind of passign game I bet Haley wants to have I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go after another top reciever.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh my god if we got a second round back that deal needs to be done like today.

we would be able to get a solid defender and also get mack or unger in the second niiice

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 7, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah

I mean, the Edwards deal might be tough to pull off but I could see the Browns throwing us their late 2nd rounder to get Curry.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wouldn't be happy if it happened

we have enough WR’s on the roster. Plus Pioli will never help out Mangini, the only trade with him would result in Mangini being ripped off

There are no stupid questions just stupid people

by IPWT2009 on Apr 7, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions  

If you spend the money to pay Bowe and Edwards

you’ll be short elsewhere (paying two top tier WR’s isn’t easy – see Arizona)

And this doesn’t even consider that if Bowe keeps improving, his new contract will be much FATTER than his current one.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 7, 2009 11:22 AM CDT reply actions  

Sorry, But Edwards Is Going Nowhere

The Browns currently have zero proven options other than Edwards in the passing game. Kellen Winslow is in Tampa, Donte Stallworth is facing jail time, Joe Jurevicius retired, and their QB situation is an unsettled mess. They are not going to trade Edwards for equivalent value…they’re going to demand more than market to get him. And frankly we’re better off trying to draft and develop a WR with a 3rd round pick than going for the “proven” superstar who’s had all of one great season in the NFL.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:24 AM CDT reply actions  

That's Not To Say That Edwards Isn't A Talent

But he’s produced like a superstar for all of one year, and he was terrible last year considering the amount of targets he got.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think 2008

was a fluke. 2007 was his potential. In the right scheme with a good QB throwing him the ball I think he could flourish again. The Browns were a mess last year.

He is still young and has proven he can play in the NFL. I’d take that over Crabtree’s unknowns.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

2008 Is Unlikely To Have Been The Fluke Year

Here are Braylon Edwards’ career stats. He’s played for four years and hasn’t come within 400 yards or 10 TDs of what he produced in 2007 in any other season. 2007 was definitely the outlier, not the standard.

Now the question that should be asked is “Which is the Braylon Edwards we’ll end up with if we trade for him…the guy we saw in 2007 or the one we saw in 2005, 2006, and 2008?”. And my response would be that we might end up with 2007 Edwards, but considering the questions about his work ethic and his mental miscues we’re as or more likely to end up with a guy who fits somewhere between 2007 and all the other years…which would equate to about 1,000 yards and 7-9 TDs. Not worth what the Chiefs would be giving up in draft picks in your scenario. They’re better off trying to develop one (as many excellent receivers have been drafted outside of the 1st round).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

2005 and 2006 saw Charlie Fry and Trent Dilfer throwing passes for the Browns.

Are you kidding me? Charlie Fry? He was terrible.

When Anderson came in and the team got some solid QB play, Edwards flourished.

Last year was abother year of QB flux for the Browns.

I’m not saying Edwards didn’t have anything to do with that. He was dropping balls and that is a big problem and probably didn’t help DA very much.

However, then they yanked DA, put in Quinn, then Quinn got hurt, DA was back, DA got hurt. Then they had a third stinger throwing the rest fo the season.

Some guys take a small step back when they make a great leap forward. However you can’t deny that Edwards may have developed faster had he had a decent QB behind center. I think it is hard to judge him on 05 and 06 when he was a young guy with Charlie Fry throwing him the ball.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

a lot of people said

that Moss was washed up when he was in Oakland.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Difference Being

That Moss produced elsewhere, so there was no question that he was able to be a great receiver…Edwards has never produced like Moss outside of the 2007 season.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

2007 Saw Derek Anderson Throwing Passes To Edwards

The same Derek Anderson who was flinging passes in most of the Browns’ games in 2008.

Edwards’ problems in 2008 revolved around the same issues he’s had for every year except 2007…dropped passes, bad routes, and not capitalizing on the high number of targets he receives every season. He simply doesn’t catch enough of the balls thrown to him to be considered an elite receiver…he’s not an efficient WR and that’s why he’s only had one outstanding season in four.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

See!

Like with this comment UC, I just had to read the subject and first sentence and knew I agreed that in the words of Bush 41….“wouldn’t be prudent…”

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's How I Design Them

The opening sentence is the nail and everything that follows is simply the hammer used to pound that nail into my opponents’ coffin.

Some folks like woodman are smart enough that they only need to see the nail to know what’s next. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well Outstanding :)

Banana hammock

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

If You'd Followed Woodman's Wise Lead, You Wouldn't Have That Image Burned Into Your Brain

There are penalties in life for not accepting everything UCrawford says in his summation. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAHA....

That is horrible…

Hey, UC…did you read the stuff in King’s articles yesterday and today on gun control? It never fails…ridiculous…

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just Read It

Peter King should stick to football…he’s got a first grader’s grasp of political debate. But then again, so do a great many gun control advocates.

I actually had a rather irritating conversation this last weekend with a girl who worked for the Barack Obama campaign about why I thought Obama was not a good president and that politicians couldn’t be trusted…her entire defense, literally, came down to the repeated assertion that Barack Obama was one of the most decent and moral men on the planet and would never lie for any reason and everything that came out of his mouth was the truth. I tried to explain to her that this wasn’t the case with politicians from any party but she just kept repeating the same thing…kind of like the answer you’d get from someone in a cult. Then she went off on a rant about how none of the politicians except Obama would give her the $4000 she needed to go back to school by taxing “those greedy rich people” at which point I asked her why complete strangers who she’d never met, never talked to and probably hadn’t done a single thing for were somehow obligated to pay for her to go to school (which, of course, set off a rant about how she had a “right” to get a degree in anthropology and “rich people” needed to pay for it).

The question I didn’t think to ask her until afterwards, of course, was that if she was really that dedicated to going to school why didn’t she join the military so she could get the G.I. Bill (which I believe fully covers the expense of schooling at KU) instead of working as a stripper at that club where we were having our conversation. But by that point I think she’d tired of conversing with me.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although Honestly, I Think That's It's Really All About The Monkeysphere With Liberals (And Neoconservatives, For That Matter)

If you’re not part of their monkeysphere, they think they have a right to steal from you, vote away your rights and pretend that you’re the most evil thing on the face of the planet.

Which is why I’ve gradually come to the conclusion that the difference between people who believe in individual rights and those who don’t is simply a matter of evolution.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why oh why

Would you be having that conversation in a strip club.

I can think of 3 things I would rather do at a strip club than listen to some incompetent liberal talk about the Messiah.

by The Steel City on Apr 7, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well...

She was naked for part of the conversation. And I got the idea that she found me more interesting than her usual clients, which is probably why she spent most of the time talking to me without charge.

Personally, I found her to be more interesting and intelligent than the average stripper…kind of surprises me that she chose to work there rather than consider time in the Air Force (where her dad was a career guy). It would help her achieve her goals a lot better.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hopefully

She’ll wake up soon and realize that she’s not going to be able to depend on a politician to create a program that’s going to fix things for her…and hopefully she’ll come to that realization before that job chews her up. It’s not a forgiving occupation.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

nice.

Now I’m going to try to have my political conversation this weekend. =]

If we never get to politics that’s fine by me. As long as she is interested.

by The Steel City on Apr 7, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Used To Go To The Nudie Bars Fairly Often When I Was Younger

Now I just find them kind of depressing…full of girls on the hustle, overpriced drinks, often shady clientele and a major drain on the wallet for the fake sex you get in return (not that you’d want to get real sex in most of those places). Hell, nowadays there’s plenty of porn out there that you can get at home for a fraction of the price (or free).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

But the free porn on the internet

Doesn’t have that strip club smell that I like so much.

But yeah. They’ve only been fun when the guys and I are already super hammered and need somewhere to go.

Every other time (when i could think straight) it was very sad.

by The Steel City on Apr 7, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed About The Smell

Baby lotion and powder makeup…leaves a pleasant smell for such cheap stuff. :)

I actually made a resolution when I was 30 that I wouldn’t hang out in strip clubs after age 35 (which I’ve generally stuck to…I’ll go about once or twice a year, only if someone asks, with the exception of the night KU won the national championship). Figured I just didn’t want to be one of those sad old drunks I’d see in those places who’d be there on a nightly basis, sitting around pissing away their money to a bunch of jaded women who were only interested in emptying their wallets, wondering what the fuck happened with their lives.

Not that everyone who goes to a strip club is that way, of course…but I think that people in their late 30s-early 40s and beyond who go to those places regularly are either at or getting to that point. I’ve got a long-time friend who still goes to them quite often and frankly I wonder if he realizes that it’s both a reason for and a symptom of why his personal life’s a trainwreck. He’s ended up dating several dancers but he just doesn’t realize that most of the time they’re too fucked in the head to care about him (or anyone else), that they’re often using him because he’s a nice guy , and that the kind of girls he’d probably be happiest with don’t want to get within 100 miles of a relationship with a guy who screws around in those waters.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you get a chance to see the inner workings up close...

you’d never go to one of those places again. I worked as a bouncer in a couple “gentlemens clubs” and I can tell you there was nothing gentlemanly about it.
The first place had a “high rollers room” which was basically a private room and stage area for high dollar playing corporate clients. People would rent the room out to wine and dine prospective clients and it was where the “stars” hung out in the club.
If you were a dancer, working the high rollers room would net you at least 4x the money you made working the main stages. We’re talking about $1500 on the low end up to several thousand. If you wanted to work the high rollers room, you had to be scheduled there. If you wanted to be scheduled in that room the “unspoken cost” was a $350 kick back and a blowjob to the scheduleing manager. Every girl in the club was aware of the unspoken cost, and at least 75% of them were more than happy to pay it.
I won’t even go into the details of all the “after hours” parties that went on. Walking the girls out at night seldom involved walking them to their own cars on the busy nights.

I found out about the shady crap and got in several verbal fights with said manager ending in a physical confrontation that sent him to a hospital, got me fired, and got most the dancers pissed at me. They didn’t look at it as me trying to end their exploitation, rather they looked at it as me interfering with their money. No charges were filed agaisnt me, because he was not about to go to the cops.

I left that club for a different one assuming that one bad example was not a reason to give up the kind of tip out money that I got from the dancers. I found out that it wasn’t one bad example. Same shit, different club.

The shear amount of cocaine and alcohol consumed by the dancers on a regular basis would explain why they need to make a couple grand a night. Every last dancer came into the job with the attitude that it was just a temp thing that could pay off some bills/pay for school/get them through a rough patch. They all talked about how they would never sink to the level of “those girls”. The vast majority were cocaine addicted drunks doing after hours parties and begging for the high rollers room 6 months into the job.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 7, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Don't Doubt It

A lot of those places are just fronts for prostitution. Not that I have anything against prostitution per se (because I’m a believer that it should be legalized, same as any non-violent business transaction), but it’s a rough lifestyle and I have no desire whatsoever to get romantically involved with someone who made that their career for an extended period of time.

They’re not bad people, but after doing that stuff for too long they’re definitely prone to being damaged, and I learned a long time ago that it’s not realistic to think you can fix or “save” damaged people by dating them.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good Lord, UC....

Yes, the entitlement stuff is ridiculous…As we speak (or, type), Claire McKaskill is at my college doing a round table discussion. My father was gonna go with some tough questions but chickened out…

…My big thing with King’s article was that he keeps talking about how “The Government has to protect people from things that are dangerous!” I think this is a big part of what has CREATED the problem. For one it makes gun ownership an elite status when it is more limited. If it wasn’t so limited and considered “badass” I do not believe Plax would have been packing much less playing around with the weapon and showing it off. Second, I think this mentality that the Government needs to be taking care of people and protecting them from themselves has made the more liberal areas of our country into the most immature civilians to ever exist freely. A people that is completely reliant and trusting in the Government is what they desire.

The point is, we are adults, not children. We can handle guns. It is you, Peter King, and your counterparts that have given firearms such a mystique that they are desired by the “bad guys.”

IMO, of course…lol

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Way I See It With Plax

Shooting himself in the leg and losing his contract was punishment enough. The club owner knew that he had the gun and didn’t care, so there was no crime there. I see no reason for the state to get involved. Life punishes you often enough when you’re a moron. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I loved his responce to the second emailier on the topic

The emailer pointed out that if you banned all guns the crazy law breaking people that wanted to kill someone would still do it. They would just find another weapon to use.

King responded by saying we should concentrate on getting rid of the guns first, and then we could go after the next weapon of choise down the road.

My question would have to :
If the citizens of this country are willing to give up personal rights in return for the ‘illusion’ of safety on the gun issue what exactly would stop the govt. from taking away 1 thing after another citing ‘safety’ as the reasoning as further down the road?

So we give up the guns today. Next month it’s the knives we have to take away. Then the baseball bat followed by chainsaws, rope, tire irons, sling shots, ball peen hammers……
Once you allow the govt. to take away your rights for the incorrect illusion of safety how do you stop them from continuing to do it in the future?

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 7, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Brits Are Already Trying That

After guns, they went to “knife crime”…and started outlawing standard kitchen knives. Not that it stopped the criminals from getting knives, or guns for that matter.

People who trust the government to protect them by taking away their guns are nothing but slaves looking for a master. I guess they sleep easier if they live under the delusion that they’re not the ones responsible for their own lives.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling your...

political views. I use to carry water for George Bush just because I identified myself as a Republican and I couldn’t stand the left. Now as I get older I understand that the democratic party and republican party are virtually the same. I know this isn’t a political blog, but if you guys want to see something interesting go to youtube and type in Zeitgiest Addendum. Its a long movie, but I found it to be one of the most facinating documentaries I have ever seen. I highly recomend it if your curious to exactly what caused this latest economic bubble to burst.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Apr 7, 2009 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with that stuff too...

…about politicians…

We need a complete governmental enema…And we are going to get it soon, i think…Not with votes, with bankruptcy and collapse. Pessimistic but…perhaps realistic

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

shit is going to hit the fan. Thats not pessimistic, it’s mathematics. All they are doing right now is inflating the economy, which is what caused this latest crisis when they did it after the tech burst in early 2000. History always repeats itself. When the next bubble burst the US government will have no more borrowing power and we will be fucked. I think you would like that movie. Its long, but you should watch the first part, which is only like 15 minutes.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Apr 7, 2009 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Get out.

I live in SWMO and we aren’t stockpiling things. Don’t make the “big city” types think we are crazy!

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Bother Me If You Are

I’m rabidly pro-gun.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do own a few guns

When Obama came to Springfield, they had T-Shirts that said “Rednecks for Obama”. I quite honestly didn’t know on which level to be offended.

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

3 days ago at the San Antonio gun show

They opened the doors at 9:00am for the gun show in the arena.
At 9:15 there was a line 3 hours long at the ammunition booth.
They ran out of ammunition 2 hours and 15 minutes after the show opened.

Not one calibur or 2. They ran completely out of all calibur of ammunition in under 2.5 hours.
THe gun show was scheduled for 2 days.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 7, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've been paying double...

what I used to pay for .45 ammo, and a little more than double for 9mm ammo for the past couple months.

Double is almost a discount these days.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 7, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's A Good Reason Why

The Founding Fathers put the right to bear arms immediately after the right to free speech in the Bill of Rights. They knew this kind of thing could eventually happen.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Springfield Woodman

I travel to Joplin all the time for my job.

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nice...

We will start the SWMO Militia for sure…

I am Carthage, really…but I claim Joplin

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Don't blame ya

Just kidding! I love SWMO. All my spare time I spend at Table Rock or Stockton Lake. As Grant Winstrom called it, this is “God’s Country”!

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha...

He was from Webb City…our rivals…not cool

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

He is actually coaching high school football

in Springfield now. Craziest thing? It is actually the worst football school here, so he must have wanted a challenge.

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea I heard...

His brother is like the principal or something eh?

I went to a Nebraska game last season at Lincoln with my ex…he was there for something, they gave him a crazy ovation, it was great…

by woodman212 on Apr 7, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's cool

He does seem like a genuinely nice guy.

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

NSA

is now watching you, due to your militia statement. Can i join? :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let's see

… … …. Ok, you’re in. You got first watch!:)

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

I was thinking i would be in more of a leadership role, seeings how i have some expertise in the bidness of killin. :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats fine.

I dont mind first watch, its the shifts in the middle of the night that sucks. So you have fun!

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Time For Me To Head Off

Got to be at work tomorrow and want to get a workout in beforehand. See you later.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Later bud!

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 8, 2009 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let me know.

I’m in wichita, But i just installed the pistol grip (folding stock) on my shotty and I should have my flash suppress for the AR pretty soon.

"...said he could'nt go on the American way"

by The Steel City on Apr 8, 2009 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Was At A Real Estate Symposium A Couple Of Years Ago

They had an economist from Texas A&M there who was giving a speech about the upcoming recession (just a few months before it hit)…and he was pointing out that governments that spend frivolously do two things when it reaches the point they can’t pay their bills any more. First, they tax people as heavily as they can. Second, once they can’t squeeze another buck out of the people, they start printing money and inflate the currency and make it worthless. I’m just waiting for Obama to hit that point (because you know it’s coming).

But maybe it’s for the best…maybe those ignorant fucks who blindly vote Republican or Democrat need a little more poverty so that economics will become a more important consideration to them and they’ll start figuring a thing or two out.

Ah well, like I always say, as long as we’ve got guns we’ve always got a future. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I'm Also Arrogant Enough

That there’s not a lot the government can throw at us that I don’t think I can overcome. Hell…I think I’d be an awesome black marketeer. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thomas Jefferson...

had it right over 200 years ago when he that if we allowed private bankers to control our currency through a central bank our children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Apr 7, 2009 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Should

Blow your mind.
Makes you wonder if the Govt is really doing all the things they do to help people or if the country really is run on greed.

by Jew Boy on Apr 8, 2009 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing Wrong With Greed

As long as it’s not being used as an excuse to take from others by fraud or threat of violence.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 8, 2009 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just That Obama Was The Messiah

And that it was obviously society’s fault that she was working in a strip club and couldn’t pay for school…so it was society’s responsibility to give her an education for free rather than her paying for it herself like anyone who doesn’t think the world owes them something.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know a few people I work with

who feel exactly the same way. The sun rises and sets with Obama. But pay for her college education? Bolderdash! I am still paying for mine, and happy to do it. Why do people want the government to take care of every damn thing they do. Don’t they realize the beauty of “Freedom”? I don’t get it.

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thats because

Liberals hate freedom. :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Think

They hate themselves more. Self-loathing seems a logical explanation for many of their policy choices.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Its obvious that liberals hate themselves for being American

thats why the Obamaprompter took an 8 day apology trip around the world. I can’t believe that the President of the most powerful nation the world has ever known would bow to a Saudi King.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Don't Think It's An Anti-American Thing

Patriotism is often an overrated virtue (because it’s so often either vague or misconstrued anyway). I think it’s more of an “I hate myself” thing.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like the way you think.

Either way, the next four years can not go by fast enough.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

i was ready to rally the troops

and head to DC to start protesting. You could say that i was less than happy.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Which One Are You Talking About

Got to confess, aside from the VA loan from my house and USAA, I don’t really use many of my veterans benefits.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Although On A Side Note

If anyone ever wonders what Barack Obama’s “universal” health care system will be like, they should start taking one very close look at how the V.A. hospital system is run. That features a lot of the train wrecks you’ll see once the feds start making your medical decisions for you.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

My work deals with the VA Hospital

in Columbia, and it is VERY different than any other medical group we work with. Not sure I would recommend it, but there are some really caring people involved at that Hospital.

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would say that

there are some very caring people who work at the VA’s. Its just that the VA is grossly underfunded. We have vets that go to the VA because they are feeling suicidal but get turned away becaues there is no room. A week later they shoot or hangthemselves at home. Its sad really.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's The Central Failing Of All Socialized Medicine Systems

Eventually the demand for “free” healthcare overwhelms the funding that’s put into that system so the only solution is to cut back on the care and services offered. Happens with the British NHS all the time. It’ll happen here if Obama gets the federal government as involved as he wants it.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Think Most V.A. Workers Do Care About Their Jobs

Even at the bad hospitals in the VA system.

There’s a common misconception about libertarians that confuses our belief that government is hopelessly inefficient with the idea that we think everyone who works for the government is a sociopathic moron (which, to be fair, we sometimes give the impression of with our hyperbole). But I recognize that most government employees really do try their best and want to do the right thing, especially in the VA…it’s just that any centrally-planned system itself is ill-equipped to thrive and adapt to a fluid world.

I don’t think the fault lies with the VA personnel, I think the fault lies with the system itself. But then I also believe that socialized medicine is a necessary evil when it comes to the military (because a government military and warfare aren’t free market concepts).

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I am trying to think if there is anyway

to help infuse some free market principles into this system for the military? Anything? There has to be a way to at least create some competition for the care? The one thing I know about the VA, they are good payors, which in today’s world means a lot.

by TheQ on Apr 7, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

If There Is

I don’t know what it would be. I was under the military health care system for quite awhile and I’ve got to say that every time the military needed to outsource to private care it usually didn’t work out well for the soldiers (at least in my experience).

The only time I ever saw it work well personally is when I was stationed in England and our European command realized that using the NHS was a problem for us so they arranged for us to get treatments through BUPA (private health care) more easily.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

What about bidding at least

all procedure type things to privately owned health care groups? I know that the military will always have the problem of full hospitals as Paratrooper alluded to, but I know you could have better care in this area of acute care? Vets would get in quicker for treatments and procedures, and the VA Hospitals would not be as packed with those patients. I am willing to bet it would be competitve to what the Government pays in house?

by TheQ on Apr 8, 2009 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I dont pretend to be as smart or

well versed in as many areas as some of you. But the VA has clinics in smaller towns. The problem with these clinics is that they dont have full time staff and they can only treat certain things.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 8, 2009 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I have heard that complaint from

the Vets I talked to as well. Having to travel a long ways to get a certain procedure taken care of. I know there is a lot of logistical things involved with the military that i don’t understand, but I am looking at it from the outside thinking, this can be done and done better. The Military has a lot of things stacked against it like UC said, but out sourcing more procedures would seem to be the perfect solution for this smaller clinic situation you described. The goal being to get better, quicker care for Vets at a cost that makes sense to the U.S. Military.

by TheQ on Apr 8, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

Obama

proposed to make wounded vets pay for thier own health care using private insurance. He was looking to save about 500 mil.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah Yes

I was bothered by that.

Not as bothered as I was by George W. Bush slashing V.A. funding to cook the books under the idiotic claim that casualties would likely decrease in the middle of a shooting war and occupation, but it was close.

Bob Barr, where are you when we need you most?

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just a quick hitter on your GI Bill comment

The new Post 9/11 Gi Bill covers all tuition and fees up to the highest state schools tuition. Plus it pays a monthly living expanse stipend based on the military’s BAH ( Basic Allowance for Housing) with 2 dependents, which will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $1300 a month give or take depending on where you live. On top of that it also pays $1000 a year to help pay for books. Futhermore, the state of KS as well as many other states have scholarships availible for Iraq and Afghanistan Vets.

I too have had that same argument about school being paid for by the government. I myself have no problem with our tax dollars going towards futhering the education of our youth, but i feel that we should make them earn it. Nothing is free in this world, and people shouldn’t expect the government to pay for their schooling with out the individual giving up something valuable in return.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same Here

I don’t see the G.I. Bill as charity. It’s part of the contract you sign up for when you join the military…as long as you’re honorably discharged it’s a benefit promised in exchange for you ceding your life to the military for however many years you signed up for.

And honestly, since she was a military brat, the idea of joining the service should have occured to her. Based on her other comments (she’s extremely anti-gun), I suspect her rationalization against it would have been “Well, I don’t think I should have to go to war” to which my response probably would have been “Well, good luck finding someone else willing to give you $60,000 for college without you having to violate your principles”.

Normally, I like girls who have opposing viewpoints from me (I’ve dated a lot of liberals)…but she was just kind of annoying. I suspect it was because she was pretty young and (as my dad once said) people in their late teens and early 20s are a mile wide and an inch deep.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Said young stripper

represents everything that i hate about most young Americans. They feel that things should just be handed to them because they want it. Where has the American work ethic gone? Why do people feel that the Government is supposed to be everything to everyone?

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because They're Clueless

And because the public education system is an increasing failure of a) ineptitude in teaching the fundamentals of economics, history, grammar, math, etc. and b) socialist propaganda.

Or, as Ron Paul once said, “Everyone is born a libertarian…it’s just that the public school system beats it out of them.”

But like I said, maybe Obama destroying the economy is a good thing for the long-term…nothing hones the old capitalist impulses like the impending threat of poverty and starvation.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I can't wait till we are all equally

poor! :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Equally Poor?

HA!!! I intend to stay well-off no matter what the government tries to do to me. Every man for himself, baby. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well I dont plan on being poor

but the Socialist left would just love that though.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shit im already poor...

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

You Want To Know What The Real Difference Between Successful And Unsuccessful People Is?

The difference is that when successful people come into money they find ways to hold onto it, and they make the most of the resources that they have.

When unsuccessful people come into money, they usually don’t respect it and piss away by being stupid or careless…and the same with any advantages they have.

Sure, often luck can play a role as well, but improving your lot in life (and keeping it improved) is more about being lucky, smart, and prudent rather than merely lucky.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Basically

If you’re starting out dirt poor, you might never become rich…but with some wisdom, patience and hard work it’s really not that tough to stop being dirt poor. And that’s the first step towards making things better for the next generation of your family.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

For sure

i wouldn’t go so far as saying im dirt poor. I still have some deployment money and bonus money saved up. Thinking about taking it out of the bank and hiding it in my box springs though. :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

As Long As Your Bank Is Financially Stable

You’ll be fine…it’s the people at banks on the verge of collapse who are being taken over by the feds who need to worry.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

what about bolden I would skip on edwards due to the drops . but boldon balls?

what would it take to get him here?

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 7, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Too Much

Considering a) he wants a new max contract, b) he’s had injury issues and his style of play lends itself to further injury, and c) he’s 29 next year, which means that he’ll enter the decline phase of his career soon enough.

Basically, we’d be paying his new contract based on what he has produced and not a projection of what he’s likely to produce (always a bad idea) and if he doesn’t get paid he’ll be a disgruntled, unhappy player who will cause issues. No thanks.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Why would we want to trade away picks for a 29 year old reciever who has had one great year? If we want another top tier reciever, I would rather try to trade back and grab Maclin or just stay put and take Crabtree.

All this talk about taking a WR just seems moot to me though. I think we have to many other holes to fill to be worrying about a WR when we have Bowe and Tony to throw too. I want to build on the Oline and D this year. Maybe next draft we can think about taking a WR on the first day of the draft.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think it’s a mistake to target WRs that early in the draft unless your team is just a WR away from competing for a championship. And the Chiefs definitely aren’t in that boat.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

They're Taking The Smart Route

They’ve got him under contract and they’re not going to overpay him for what he already produced. It’s a good decision by the Arizona front office. And if he stays disgruntled and wants to make an issue, it also wouldn’t be a bad thing for them to find someone who is willing to trade for him, as his trade value will decline severely once he hits 30 and it would appear that they’ve got Steve Breaston ready to step up and start.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we'll go for some skill position guys

next year. WR and RB. This year, I think while we have serviceable guys in those positions they’ll go with them. There is a ton of foundation building to do on both lines and at LB and we’re already down a major draft pick. Until we trade out of that #3 overall pick, we’re pretty limited in what we can do. It’s a nice idea, and I’d love to have another top-flight WR, but I have a hard time seeing it as a priority of this magnitude right now.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Apr 7, 2009 11:40 AM CDT reply actions  

Depends

Do you think we are closer on offense or Defense? I feel like offense is in better shape. With 2 recievers and Cassel playing well I think we could be pretty damn good.

I don’t think we should do it if we can’t get a 2nd rounder from the Browns.

But if we do, we’d still have a 1st and a 2nd rounder to spend on D if we wanted.

Paddy

by Patrick Allen on Apr 7, 2009 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

If we ended up with a 1st and a 2nd this year

I’d be somewhat open to it. If the deal was primarily for draft picks next year, would it be entirely out of the question to make it conditional based on his performance?

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Apr 7, 2009 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Im not ready to give up on Franklin yet

Haley is supposed to be great at developing WR. We have Bowe who is a big bodied WR, we now have Ingram playing the slot and Tony is Tony of course. Bradly is still a question mark in my mind. We have to find out if he can stay healthy for a full season. Guy has talent, we just need him on the field so we can use it. Now, if Haley can get the most out of Franklin, we have a burner who will stretch the field and open up a lot of things under neath. We need to give our guys a chance before we just scrap all of them and look else where.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 7, 2009 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

WR seems to be a position that we are in a great spot to develop this year.

If only we could get Bowe hitting blocks like Hines Ward…

by The Steel City on Apr 7, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ok

Now that wouldn’t suck

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Apr 7, 2009 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meh

Rogers has talent, but he’s got a very questionable work ethic. Weight is a constant problem with him.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didn't Edwards...

drop more passes last year than any receiver in the league? I’ll pass, the guy is a talent but I’m not giving up steep compensation for him. I think Arizona can only keep Bolden for one more year before he has enough leverage to hold out. I could see us trading for him next year if need be.

by I_Bleed_Red. on Apr 7, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Yes

He led the league in drops last year.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 7, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

You beat me to it

Edwards is a waste of money, you don’t get bonus points for dropping passing in this league.

by JHWK on Apr 7, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like

But i would like to let them keep there 2nd rounder and pick up NT shaun rogers. We would still be reaching at orakpo or brown at 5 so we could trade back into 10-15 and pick up another 2nd rounder.
This way we would give up #3 next years 1st rounder(prolly#32) and 3rd rounder this year and possibly LJ
We would recieve edwards,Shaun rogers, the 5th overall that we could trade back and pick up more picks.
Make sense all were really losing is next years first rounder but who cares tony wants to win this year

by cassel4prez on Apr 7, 2009 12:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Why would Cleveland

agree to that? They’ve already stated they want to keep Rodgers even though he asked to be released early in the offseason and they need their picks just as much as we do.

by JHWK on Apr 7, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I say we

swap 1st rounders, give our 2010 1st round, acquire Edwards, get their late 2nd round, and just to be kind, throw in Mark Bradley. That way, we get a receiver, they get a receiver (not the same caliber but they are getting our number 3 for Curry), and we can keep LJ. If we did throw in LJ, I think we should be able to just swap first rounders, get Edwards, and trade away our second. Pioli is very good at picking up more picks in the draft, so I am not worried about wheeling and dealing to get more.

Shake 'n' Bake

by Husker'n'Chief on Apr 7, 2009 5:36 PM CDT reply actions  

No way!

Are you guys serious? Have you ever watched him play? If he is so good, why is cleveland willing to get rid of him. They need players like we do. I would rather take Crabtree with the third pick.

by TerribleTerry on Apr 7, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions  

1) Because Cleveland is full of idiots that tend to make bad decisions

2) Because Edwards has proven himself in the NFL, Crabtree has not. He may have been a baller in college, but so was Charles Rogers, catch my drift

Shake 'n' Bake

by Husker'n'Chief on Apr 7, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Edwards

The Chiefs need Braylon Edwards like they need Herm Edwards and Donnie Edwards

I believe they have the talent at the WR position to get the job done with a good system and coaching.

Bowe, Bradley, Franklin and Engram make a good receiving corps, if they live up to potential this year. Add in TG and Charles, and there is no shortage of targets for Cassel.

by stagdsp on Apr 7, 2009 8:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Make a sign....

Fire all “Edwards”.
From this day forth no future “Edwards” may join the team. =P

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 7, 2009 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

well...

I’d keep Ron Edwards, he is OK.
but the rest of them suck

by stagdsp on Apr 7, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok ok. guys named 'Ron' get a pass.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 7, 2009 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You know what I like....?

That this article was like…linked to in a national newspaper…at least referred to…and it turned into a crazy militia business…haha…

by woodman212 on Apr 8, 2009 12:03 AM CDT reply actions  

the problem i have is the holes in your story

where you say

“The Chiefs would come out with the 5th pick, an early or mid 2nd rounder, 4th, 5th, 6th and two 7ths. Add to that Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel and Braylon Edwards.

The Chiefs could still snag a LB of they like Orakpo or Everette Brown or they could solidify the o-line with Andre Smith. KC could then use their newly acquired 2nd rounder and third round for defensive needs."

if you reread, you will notice this does not make sense b/c we have no 3rd rounder to spend on defense. lessening the deal for us.

I like the stretch to try and get Edwards into the chiefs locker room but i see this as being completely far fetched.

by xfatdannx on Apr 8, 2009 1:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Pat Allen

I usually don’t dig on a lot of the outlandish scenarios that get presented, but…. I could almost see this happening. The only problem is Braylon Edwards is going to stay in a browns uni next year. Any how. Well thought out. I enjoyed.

by Jew Boy on Apr 8, 2009 9:16 AM CDT reply actions  

The answer is......

HHHEEEEELLLLLLLLLL NO! If we pick up Braylon Edwards I swear to God I will put a bullet in my head. There is no way I could sit there on Sundays and see which reciever could drop more passes game in and game out.

by readANDgold58 on Apr 8, 2009 2:28 PM CDT reply actions  

Way too risky

Why not go after a so called slipping Marvin Harrison and look to draft a WO in 2010 or 2011. He still has great hands and good speed and would force defenses to shift coverage away from Bowe. Marvin still has a couple of years left in the tank and could probably be had pretty cheap

by stickboy58 on Apr 8, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Because Marvin Harrison Isn't Just "Slipping"...He's Slipped

The dude’s done…he was terrible last year. Slow off the line, couldn’t get separation and ineffective. And while I like Matt Cassel, he’s no Peyton Manning, so if Harrison wasn’t getting receptions and yards with Manning throwing to him in an offense he knows backwards and forwards, he’s probably not getting them with Cassel, or anyone else.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 8, 2009 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

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