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Larry Johnson Loses Grievance Against Chiefs

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Larry Johnson's days as a Kansas City Chief may be winding down. Per Pro Football Talk:

Per a league source, Johnson’s grievance failed as to the question of whether the Chiefs are permitted to erase $3.5 million in guaranteed base salary due in 2009 and $250,000 in guaranteed base salary due in 2010 based on Johnson’s one-game suspension in 2008 for violation of the personal conduct policy.

The Associated Press says special master Stephen Burbank's ruling on Johnson's guaranteed money came because his suspension last season violated a breach of contract.

As for Johnson, Burbank ruled that if the Chiefs cut him, they do not have to pay him a $3.5 million guaranteed salary next season because he breached his contract after being suspended last season, Berthelsen said.

According to the Kansas City Star's Adam Teicher, this likely means that the Chiefs will cut or trade Larry Johnson.

Update via JayKC in the FanShots from Bob Gretz:

But (Richard) Burbank did have something in his ruling for Johnson on his signing bonus. At the time of his suspension, L.J. forfeited a pro-rata portion of his signing bonus for missing that game. The Special Master ruled that money could not be taken by the Chiefs.

 

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I would be surprised to see LJ on our roster for next season.

"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley

by Jason Shore on Apr 6, 2009 12:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

If he is, then it’s only because he took that clean slate and actually made the most of it. I doubt anyone believes that’s even possible.

Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!

by Buck'O on Apr 6, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pioli is on the horn right now with a team trying to work a deal

with another team.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not going to find much if the general consensus is that he'll be cut anyway.

Tim Floyd snubbing Arizona is more humiliating than getting rejected by a fat chick.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 6, 2009 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can tell this is gonna come back and bite us in the ass

Larry is going to get picked up by someone with a decent line where he puts up 1,000+ yds & we’re left with a collegiate backup and a “speedster” that gets ran down from behind

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

won't bother me at all if that happens

If we trade a 30 yr. old locker room cancer that has not produced for the last 2 seasons with 1 MAYBE 2 seasons left on his legs away and get anything for him that has future potential (5th or 6th rounder) we come out on top.

I’m willing to give up his bitching and moaning about not wanting to play for KC and his off field stupidity for nothing but future potential, even if he has a couple 1000 yard seasons left.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you thats what im saying. texas

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about a package deal him and tony?

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No Way

I think that we are stronger with them, than without them. There has been problems, but having them both on the roster will only strengthen the Chiefs’ possibility to win. Clean slate, means just that. If the coach can say it, an mean it, then I believe that we should keep them both.

by TXChiefan on Apr 6, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Are we really in a spot to be getting rid of probowlers for low value becasue they are old?

Tony G won’t bring any offer worth half of his value. Neither will LJ. I say restructure LJ’s contract and give him this year. If he performs, keep him. If not, we will be in a better place to draft an RB next year.

Tony G retires a chief.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to know what tony gs stance right now

I heard that haley offense was bad for tight ends. And does he still want to play for a contender. If he only has two years in his career does he want to be here with u or with someone else . if he wants to move lets get rid of him and try to get more guys in the draft.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they keep him,

Do they have to give him his money? Or are they free from the burden either way?

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If he's on the roster on opening day, they pay him

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats too bad

I was hoping he would remain a chief

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

SOme other team can deal with his non blocking

weak effort on one yard games. and his walks to the sideline pouts im glad he will be gone. Its time for a new runner who wants to help this team and be a better person on and off the field.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's gone

Everyone can speculate what he can/can’t do and unless he proves otherwise he’s more of a liability than an asset considering his track record for trouble.

No one is going to give him big money and risk having a RB suspended. The days of rewarding players based on past performance (see King Carl) are gone. We need to change our mindset in regards to what a player MIGHT be capable of doing and understand that a RB in his 30’s is on the end of his career and not think of his play ability from 4 years ago. See E. James as an example.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 12:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

LJ’s big play capabilities makes him more of an asset than a liability. His rushing yardage won’t be matched by anybody on our current roster and his off-the-field issue’s are way overblown. I’ll be the first to call him a bitch but god damn if I don’t respect him

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think

if he had done THAT at the Power & Light District, he might have been in even MORE trouble =)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LJ’s big play capabilities makes him more of an asset than a liability

That’s what King Carl thought when he re-signed him. He hasn’t done anything productive the last 2 years so I don’t see him changing his ways either on or off the field.

And yes, having run-in’s with females numerous times is a liability especially if he does that and gets a multiple game (or season) suspension.

If he is that great of an asset, than Pioli and Haley will retain him.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Excellent comment IMO

by TXChiefan on Apr 6, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

we havent done

anything product to keep L.J. productive….the line got old and he had his 1st career injury. L.J. has plenty of life left in him he average 4.5 yards a carry last year

by DT58forever on Apr 6, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looks like Pioli holds all the chips in this game

concerning Johnson now. LJ just lost all of his. This isn’t the first time LJ has attempted the “clean slate” scenario, he promised to be good a couple of years ago and keep his mouth shut. That worked out didn’t it.

Johnson has shot himself in the foot several times and only has himself to blame for his actions. His getting cut or traded doesn’t bother me one bit and I have no worries about him coming back at us on another team. The Chiefs team that he comes back at won’t be the same one he left and we’ll shut his punk ass down.

by oldchiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 12:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Pioli didnt get where he is at today by keeping guys that have a history of not performing on the

field. Randy moss is just as bad as LJ but he actually performs and is a team first guy. LJ has bad actions and he is useless unless he wants to perform . Pioli is not a baby sitter. he expects certain things on and off the field.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What are you talking about?

He was #10 in the league in yards per carry. How exactly is that not performing?

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 6, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

YPC he was pretty damn good.

But we need him to average 4.5 ypc for 16 games not 8 or whatever he played in. I just don’t see LJ as the type of back that we are going to need. I think our offense is going to be pretty pass happy and LJ can’t catch or block. He’s as good as gone.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fault of many other factors

O-Line, O-Line, and the O-Line

by TXChiefan on Apr 6, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LJs blocking and catching ability

have nothing to do with the Oline

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

I can agree completely with you on that, but I really don’t see good blocking and catching from the majority of the running backs. The Chiefs need him to run the ball, which he is good at. We have others that should block and catch. I wish he was better and not such a prima-dona that he thinks he shouldn’t have to block, but as an offensive weapon, he is still a value.

by TXChiefan on Apr 6, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He does have value

But i think in a more pass friendly O, his value diminishes. If we are a pound it out team, his value is inflated.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why let defense know

what we are doing? We went through this clear back to the Vermiel era, LJ comes out, T-Rich would come in on pass plays. Our younger backs, blocked better, caught passes out of the backfield better. When he is in the game it is going to be a run.

Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!

by Eric Allen on Apr 6, 2009 4:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats what im saying para troooper.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That stat has very little meaning
  1. is yards per carry with 193 total carries (4.5) ypc
    Jamal Charles had 67 carries with (5.3) ypc
    Tyler Thigpen had 62 carrie with (6.2) ypc.

It’s not performing because he had 193 total carries, only produced 5 TD’s, Left the field on 3rd down almost every drive because he can’t block and his pass catching skills are crap, and was out of too many games due to team or league suspensions.

Does LJ have 1 more year in his 30 year old legs? Maybe.
Does he have 2 ? not likely.

It’s always better to get rid of a player 1 year too soon than it is to hold on to the 1 season too long. If we can get a lollipop and a 5th rounder for LJ we should take it. The 5th round pick has way way way more upside than a 30+ year old runningback past his prime that has not produced int he last 2 seaseons while at the same time fought with coaches and staff and continued to state his displeasure for being on the team.

If you don’t wanna be here, and you haven’t produced for the last 2 season, and you pleaded guilty to being a total ass in the community, and you disrupt the teams ability to move forward as a TEAM instead of a bunch of individuals; well then Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that...

we need that 5th round pick to help fill other more glaring holes. I don’t think LJ is the long term solution, but I’m all for keeping him 1 more year so we can adress more pressing needs.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 6, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point texas chief thats what im saying

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s always better to get rid of a player 1 year too soon than it is to hold on to the 1 season too long.

BINGO. Let’s let Pioli and Haley make the call. I’m sure they’re evaluating LJ very very much after Pioli eats his PB&J sandwiches.

I still think someone needs to send him some KC BBQ.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LJ isn't anywhere near the caliber of Tony G in personal traits

and in my opion makes a difference on the field. Tony made it known he would like to be traded and get a Superbowl ring. Tony still played his ass off for the Chiefs last year. No complaints. He still loves the Chiefs, but would like to have a Superbowl ring.

LJ made it known that he wanted to be traded. He played and bitched and complained the entire year about the offense didn’t fit HIM. He wants to be traded because he doesn’t think he fits in here AND the fans were mean to him.

You can have all the statistics in the world about his yards per carry, but if the guy doesn’t want to be here he’s not going to preform to his maximum potential. He is going to half ass it all the way.

by oldchiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To reiterate

I will be SHOCKED if we just cut Larry Johnson, and let another team sign him without giving us ANY compensation.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 1:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

But I don't think anyone will offer in trade something that entices Pioli

and THAT is the only reason I think LJ will be a Chief in 2009.

If he was sincere about the change in attitude, and the Haley/Pioli clean slate talk is legit, LJ could have a few more successful seasons with us.

If he wasn’t sincere, cut his ass.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, cut him and get nothing………………what a waste! Also, with all the holes we have to fill already, now we have to use a draft pick on a running back,geez, what another waste!!

If Kolby Smith plays more than 4 games,I’ll b surprised! And as someone stated earlier, our “speedster” back gets caught from behind, wow………………what a mess we have!!

Also, spitting on women aint as bad as admitting you’re a weed head, and that you will continue to be a weed head(Ricky Williams)…………..didn’t Parcells keep him around, hmmm!!

by T MO 5 on Apr 6, 2009 1:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Assaulting women isn't as bad as smoking pot?

Id rather have a bunch of pot heads than a bunch of guys that threaten and spit on chicks.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed trooper

Weed affects the inidividual using it,….spitting on an innocent person is inflicting harm on others.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Weed doesnt affect the user...

My memory is great! Shit, where did i put my phone! :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol...it's funny watching a Ricky Williams interview when he was stoned

The guy was in la-la land, pretty good stuff.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea he cracked me up.

I like to smoke weed, but i would be able to easily give it up for millions of dollars.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

once your rich

you can move on to drugs that only stay in your system for 12 hours.

=]

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Just like Whitney Houston. But she didnt smoke crack, because crack is whack.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree with you Paratrooper

I am of the opposite persuasion. I’ve been pissed off enough by a women to spit a drink at them (didn’t, but could have), but will not do the weed thing. That is against my own values. Don’t want to debate the evils or benefits, but I do know that women are sometimes meaner than men, knowing they can get away with it.

I’m not condoning his actions, just stating facts and my own convictions on the issue.

by TXChiefan on Apr 6, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree in some ways with what you have said.

Ive wanted to beat the shit out of some women, but i didn’t. Weed on the other hand doesn’t harm any one. Only reason there is any crime associated with weed is because it is illegal. Look at what prohibition did with alcohol. Once it was illegal, people still wanted it and the only people to provide the booze was organized crime. Lots of deaths and other violent crimes followed the law making alcohol illegal. Once it was legal again, those violent crimes stopped. If we were to legalize weed, we could tax it, control it, and help alleviate the burden on our prision system. Weed is not addictive and my final point would be how many people do you hear that get high and drive a car and then kill a bunch of people?

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That argument

would work for cocaine, heroine, opium, crack, meth, and anything else. Do you think we should legalize every kind of drug? I haven’t been able to make up my mind on the issue. I do think that legalizing a number of these drugs could reduce the other illegal activities related to the drug trade and could potentially bring billions of dollars to the gov’t by way of taxation, but I don’t think we should change laws simply because people don’t want to obey them. As long as it is the law you should go to jail for violating it, and stay in jail for the entire length determined.

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullshit

Patriotism is breaking law

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So smoking crack

is now an act of patriotism?

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 6, 2009 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*accepting a law because it is a law,

Would make our founding fathers roll over in their graves.

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." -Thomas Jefferson

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That reasoning

is not a broad brush that covers all wrongs. There are just laws and there are laws that can and should be modified. But to state that injecting heroine is an act of patriotism is plain silly.

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 6, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right.

You can’t blanket the quote to cover all wrong doings or else your just justifying your own actions.

But it doesn’t change anything. My problem with your statement is your alluding that we should obey laws just becasue they are laws. Not true. You live by your own standards, values, and morals. If they don’t coincide with the law you have to decide who is right.

But people who disagree with the government can be just as patriotic as someone who follows in tow

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course they can

the founding fathers and Martin Luther King Jr are prime examples of people disobeying unjust laws while being patriotic. But here’s the thing, those individuals believed in their cause so vehemently that they were willing to accept any consequence, even death. If people are convinced smoking pot or doing any other drug is justified, they should be willing to serve the full penalty for their actions.

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 6, 2009 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You keep bring the drugs back into it

I agree with you on the drug issue for the most part. My biggest problem was with your blanket statement.

but I don’t think we should change laws simply because people don’t want to obey them. As long as it is the law you should go to jail for violating it, and stay in jail for the entire length determined.

When you take that attitude towards things it only ends badly.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To reiterate

the patriots that fought for their causes were willing to face the consequences of their actions. If you break the law, whether or not you think the law is just, you should be prepared to suffer the punishment.

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 6, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I keep bringing drugs into it

because that is what started this particular tangent thread.

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 6, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some people in california believe they should just let anything go

if you want crack get crack you will do it anyways might as well make money off it . hahh I would be against it but hey at the end of the day if you want crack you deserve to die if it kills you your the idiot taking it

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this may make me

seem real dumb…but weed is no drug….its not cooked, whipped or has crazy chemicals added to it. Its Naturally grown! beisdes maybe a special living environment and some light.

by DT58forever on Apr 6, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

some people lace weed though

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well for the

most part its naturally grown, when it was found it wasnt cooked up in a lab but grown

by DT58forever on Apr 6, 2009 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well weed in cali is pretty common its smoked al ot over here a lot

of my friends have medical cards and get really good weed from labs . but some are off the streets and that shit is crazy stuff with diff flavors and all that crap . i dont smoke but just talking to them there are always crazy strands they come up with.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love how terrell davis did a interview with him ricki was like weed is out of my life

the next week the guy tests positive for weed ahahahah. terrel was pissed

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we have a winner for the days most asinine comment.

I’m guessing a statement like, “spitting on women aint as bad as admitting you’re a weed head,” can only come from someone with little experience with women.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 6, 2009 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Asinine

Just like the girl i took home saturday night… Her face is a two, but her ass is a nine! :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was she a butterface?

everything was hot about her butterface.

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much. I should be ashamed

but i lost my standards somehwere in the army.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That comment is worth tree-fiddy...as much as LJ

Well he’s worth more, but I figure if they do get soemthign for him, it won’t be as much as the Pro-LJ folks anticipate.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its worth a little more...

It was kind of clever.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ill take it!

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not baggin on your comment...it was a Southpark followup in regards to tree-fiddy

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its all good. I just wanted to be worth more than LJ!

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking a Pioli would get as much as possible

But I don’t think it’ll be 2nd or 3rd round picks.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think we can get those either.

Im torn on what to do about LJ. He really pisses me off but then he goes and runs for 20o yds on the Donkeys and i love him. Either way, keep him, cut him, or trade him ill be ok.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No respek

4 da butterface comment

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mad props!

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say if they do trade him

they better get a 2nd round from a team we dont play

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So you're saying that LJ is worth more than Tony?

Cause we only got a 3rd round offer for Tony last season. I think LJ is worth much less than Tony.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No way

RB’s that carried as much load as LJ for the bulk of his career almost never last past 31. We’ve got at most a year left in LJ’s legs. Tony’s got at least another year, if not 2 or 3 left in him, especially with a QB that places balls properly so his receivers don’t get hung out to dry when going up to make a catch and a more balanced offense that doesn’t key on him for every play.

LJ didn’t want to be here until he came to grips with the fact that his market value is horrible. Get rid of him, he asked us to cut him and did just about everything possible to sever ties with the team and its fans. No locker room needs a cancerous blight like LJ but when your roster is as young as ours it becomes imperative that everyone be 1000% dedicated to the team.

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep him and run him into the ground.

I think primetime proposed that last week or so, and I completely agree. Just abuse him on the field.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 1:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yay

the return to run run pass punt

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Primetime proposed

what myself, HIV, and others have been saying since the start of last season. Run em’ till he’s done. Get max return on our investment

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Funny

I seem to recall Herm Edwards being fired?

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only

thing Herm did to gain my respect was to sit that wanna be thug!

by REMWHEN on Apr 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The bitch should be happy she got spit on, because I believe every woman should be hit in the mouth, at least 1 time……………………………agreed!!

I got 1 for you, what do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes???

Nothing, you already told her twice!!

by T MO 5 on Apr 6, 2009 1:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

God i hope you dont produce any offspring. :)

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ooh

a new wanna be thug!

by REMWHEN on Apr 6, 2009 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why couldn't Hellen Keller drive?

Because she’s a woman.

<Hopefully my girlfriend won’t read this>

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice!

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

T MO 5

are you LJ?

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 6, 2009 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably one of the worst comments to ever be on this site.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

That’s ridiculous. Remember to flag comments if you find them inappropriate.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 6, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I want him to stay if we restructure his contract

4.5 ypc last year is damn good, especially behind one of the crappiest O-lines in football.

by Vince D on Apr 6, 2009 1:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I could be!! I’m the guy your mama warned you about!!

by T MO 5 on Apr 6, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m your real father!!

by T MO 5 on Apr 6, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You people are rediculous

when TO got released, how many of you people thought that it wouldnt be such a bad idea for him to be a chief and how much baggage does he have. Ive even read the same thing about Michael Vick for that matter.

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The VAST majority on both thought that both would be rediculous.

Matter of fact, we dissected Vicks poor performance as a QB in the NFL on another thread.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats a different situation though.

You shouldn’t pursue a person who has a bad off the field rep, unless his value is crazy good.

We aren’t pursing LJ. We already have him.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You shouldn’t pursue a person who has a bad off the field rep, unless his value is crazy good.

That’s why the LJ bonus went to arbitration and the Chiefs won. They figured he wasn’t worth the bonus money. If they thought he was worth the money, regardless of what he did, they wouldn’t have batted an eyelash.

3.5 Million is a drop in the bucket for our salary cap.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your point but,

there is a difference between cap dollars and real dollars.

That $3.5 M was guaranteed and would have come out of Clark’s pocket if he is cut. If we do cut him, there will be a cap hit of some sort, but no real money being paid.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand your point

But, why go through all that trouble and still retain him even if your intent is to restructure his contract?

Seems that it would cause a lot of animosity to go to arbitration and then say “you want to stick around, lets renegotiate”.

Priest had a similar occurrance. The big difference being that they didn’t go to arbitration and he went to Arrowhead and restructred his bonus money and contract just to stay on the team.

the point here is that there wasn’t any news about them wanting to renegotiate the contract…it went straight to arbitration.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

kinda.

Winning Arbitration is a good way of letting LJ know, if he wants to stay, its Pioli’s way or the highway.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess only

Is that they are now free to take whatever action they want to with LJ.

I doubt LJ would have agreed to renegotiate knowing he was guaranteed $3.5M even if he is cut.

Before the ruling, If he stayed, he still gets paid. If he was cut, he still gets paid and gets his wish. There was little incentive for him to be remotely compliant with anything the team wanted him to do contractually.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Exactly. And now Pioli has LJ right where he wants him.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And that's a good guess DTR

But, I’ll defer to the “animosity” factor. I’m betting LJ wants out mroe than ever. If you got a bonus taken away from your job, wouldn’t you be?

The only reason he’s practicing with the Chiefs is to show potential teams he’s willing to do whatever it takes for them to take a chance on him.

I’m thinking he’s gone by the end of the draft.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

And it won’t cost Clark a single real dime, and we take the needed cap hit.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

LJ’s trying to re establish his worth by showing up for the workouts, which in a way is good for the Chiefs as well now by pushing up his trade value, as little as it might be.

by oldchiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was under the impression

That the reason they were renegotiating could really go both ways.

Sure it makes sense that if they want to cut him they will try to waste as much money as possible.

But, it could be all aimed at reworking the contract to fit whatever scheme Haley/Pioli have for him.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*

waste as little money as possible*

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just kidding, having a little fun, nothing personal!!

by T MO 5 on Apr 6, 2009 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm beginning to wonder....

….how are the Chiefs going to meet the cap minimum next season? Seems like dropping another $3.5m from the number is going to require some expensive signings. Any thoughts?

by jmcgoblue on Apr 6, 2009 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a really interesting thought

I’m actually surprised we weren’t more active in free agency thus far considering the massive amount of money we still have to spend

by Vince D on Apr 6, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Waters for Jason Peters

straight across, maybe a 6th thrown in on our part. We slide Alberts in to LG and put Peters in at LT

There are no stupid questions just stupid people

by IPWT2009 on Apr 6, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

...Are you serious?

That would be a horrible deal for us.

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought for sure we were going to spend some money. When is the dead line for spending though. Cuz a lot of men get cut from preseason. and stuff.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

crap

apparantly Larry Johnson has put his house in KC up for sale today. He already has a house in New York tho so hmmm Im thinking Jets or Giants.

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The ultimate irony

Larry Johnson & Leon Washington in the same backfield

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he could hang out with Jay Z more

if he lived in NY. The Jets may be interested. They’re the AFC version of the Redskins

There are no stupid questions just stupid people

by IPWT2009 on Apr 6, 2009 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I know is Lj made it very clear he did not want to be here or on this team. SO i dont know why everyone is defending him. We can do much better with a better o line and jamaal charles is much better blocker and a better speed runner. We will be fine with out Lj

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not defending him as much as the notion of keeping him...

this team has a lot of needs. We already don’t have enough picks to addess said needs, cutting our starting running back only creates another hole. Run him into the ground for one more season and then cut him.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 6, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pioli likes to play the Draft...

Keep that in mind. Odds are that come April 25-26th we’ll be moving picks around with other teams. LJ could be packaged in with that trade process in an effort to get trade down from #3 to get multiple 1st day picks or to trade LJ + a 2nd day pick for a 2nd rounder to try and pick up a high value RB that slid.

Given the spending minimum I think it’s a safe assumption that Pioli is planning to use a very large chunk of the remaining cap space on signing draft picks, not something likely to happen if we stick to just one Saturday pick.

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are there any teams,

You can think of off the top of your head that have a decent need at RB?

I’m liking this idea of trading him as part of a package to move our #3 into a couple mid 1st rounds.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My roommate just asked me that

and I agree, the Eagles are a smart choice to market towards.

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would they want

at #3? Or do you think they would do it just for LJ?

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eugene Monroe

The Eagles would love a young LT to lock them down for another 10 years. Tra Thomas is in Jacksonville now and there’s no one else on the roster that can successfully fill that roll at the moment other than Herremans or Andrews who are coincidentally starting Guards.

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm loving it

I would be screaming “Bye, Bye” to LJ if we could get 2 firsts and a 4th or 5th for LJ and our #3. We could fill a ton of holes with those spots.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anybody remember Week 4?

Larry had Arrowhead up on its feet rushing for well over 100 yds against the Donks. The crowd was electrified and #27 jersey’s filled the stands. Where have all those fans gone?

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

they're in jail too

There are no stupid questions just stupid people

by IPWT2009 on Apr 6, 2009 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point I was trying to make

is that a lot of the fans quick to bash him and run him out of town are usually the quickest to their feet when he breaks a run or flash a Roc symbol when he’s scores a TD

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course they are

They are KC Chiefs fans. They are there rooting for their team. If you team makes a big play you cheer, even if it was a bone headed thug that made the play.
*side note: the vast majority of his yards came on one play in that game.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Restructure

His contract, fill it with incentives, and threats to be cut with no pay if he has any off field or on field problems. Run him into the ground for the entire season. Cut him in 2010 and draft a running back next year.

by ksjhwk on Apr 6, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1000

Thats what I’m saying. 2009 is not the year to add the “What do we do about the run game?” question to the plethora of questions we still need to answer.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never had love for Lj like most chief fans

I swear i never liked the guy ever since dick called him out with the pamper joke. And when he bitched about it that rubbed me the wrong way. I knew then this guy was a premaddonna and wasnt up to excepting challenges . He was great behind a good line i will admit but these last years he has put little effort and is not working to improve his game. instead of adjusting to the arrowspread by improving his blocking he let a smaller rookie rb beat him out in passing situations . lj is not looking to improve his game every week and work hard to improve our team he made it clear he doesnt want to be here he is tired of the atmosphere. he needs to go see ya.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 1:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ya but jamaal charles has been the all purpose back for us. once lj hits the field

everyteam and there momma knows why he is in there to run the ball. and on top of that he runs with no passion . I can remember a couple plays we couldent get first downs with 1 or 2 yards and our big so called bruising back could not earn them. Ya our line wasnt that great but most runners find a way.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 2:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Now that I think about it

We will have Bones sitting on the sidelines a lot. Between him and Charles I think the run game might be better off if we didn’t even waste downs on LJ.

I would much rather have a first down be an incomplete pass in a wildcat from thiggy than for LJ to run to the line and fall down after 1 yard.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

come on

jamaal charles is injury prone
kolby smith is too fragile to be an everydown back
jackie battle too inexperienced

the workhorse has to be LJ

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

True.

Am I crazy to think Bones can run?

I guess that I’ll just leave it up to the staff who can see him play. If they cut him I won’t be terribly upset but it just seems like a bad business decision.

In Pioli we trust.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with
I guess that I’ll just leave it up to the staff who can see him play. If they cut him I won’t be terribly upset but it just seems like a bad business decision.

Wrecked

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Cox can be the workhorse

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why waste the picks?

When we have so many glaring needs. Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude the guy does not want to be here it about the right guys on the field and the locker room

we dont need lj .he is broken thats why we are here seeing if we dont have to pay him.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't say he doesn't wanna be here

He hasn’t said anything about a trade since all the changes have been happening.

by Vince D on Apr 6, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and there was this infamous interview from 2 months ago.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

no problem, but Vince may be right that he hasn't mentioned it since both Haley and Pioli have been on board.

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

true but i can assume that its because they did not want to talk to him until the

money situation is clear. why try to talk to the guy if he is still in contract at this point we now owe him nothing. he wants out i know he does

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good point

"You said you was gonna take me to see Wu-Tang baby ...So I braided my hair, yes I did, cornroll and everything baby"

I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday.

by DThomasReigns on Apr 6, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

When has LJ

evvvver been quiet about what he wanted.

He is being a good little lap dog right now because he wants to be here.

Who wouldn’t? Very exciting times in KC.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is being a good little lap dog right now because he wants to be here.

OR because he wants other teams to think he’s changed so he gets the most money he can.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my explanation is

less convoluted than yours.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all

You attribute his behavior to some sort of “desire” to be a KC Chief. I say all LJ cares about is himself. Always has, always will.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm saying

That all we know about LJ are his actions. He mentioned being traded a couple times at the end of the season. No doubt.

But since the new people have been here he has been VERY quiet about his previous comments. How is it that leaving is better for LJ?

My point is, based off his actions in the last month, it makes perfect sense that he wants to stay and work with the new regime, regardless of his motivation.

You say his only motivation is himself. How is it better to leave than to stay? Do you think a team is going to offer him any kind of money if his value is only a 4th or 5th round draft pick?

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, he only cares about himself and I'll say it again

It’s better for him to leave in his mind because he’s burned his bridges. Besides anyone sucessfully taking my bonus as well as going after money already paid to me wouldn’t sit well…his ego is leaps and bounds bigger.

He made it a point he wanted to leave.He complained over and over…with both Herm and Vermiel, so it’s not only one regime. Any “smart” team will give him a performance based contract which is what Carl should have done. He should get a base salary and all incentives are on and off the field progress.

Lastly, I can’t evaluate him based on just the last month…I have to look at his actions with 3 women as well as his complaining over the course of his career here. If you believe LJ than you believe T.O. when he left Philly (that time would show it wasn’t his fault b.s.) as well as Dallas.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right after

We figure out what defensive scheme we are running.

And who our new D leader will be. Oh and our D line and if our 1st round from 08 is going to be apart of it.

And our O line. And what to do with Brian Waters and Tony G.

And if our D coordinator is worth a damn. And if Bowe can catch a football.

And how we are going to trade down to draft all the players we need.

Did I miss anything?

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

or we acccpt the fact that teams are not built in one year

and do what is best for the team. Dump the malcontent for whatever you can get and move forward with a group of guys that want to be there and put the team before themselves.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And we have to realize we are most likely not going to be a ground and pound team

we may be a pass happy offense that depends little on the run game .

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 2:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont like that either

going from one end of the spectrum to the other, what happened to the balanced offense.

by Grand Master A on Apr 6, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean like the Cards.?

Hmmm…why would we do that? Oh yeah, Cassell as a QB and Haley being the OC from last years Cards team.

Makes sense to me, now that i think about it. I wouldn’t be too happy, but I could see them trying it.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 6, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A pass happy offense always needs

Someone to run the ball to open up the passing game.

The idea that we are going to be able to pass the ball at all without a decent run game is crazy to me. We don’t have the weapons that Cassel had in New England for us to expect a dominate passing game.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tony G, Yes

Bowe hasn’t proven anything to me besides potential. Period.

And even if they are both at the top of their game, there is no way you can have a great pass game without a least some threat of a rush.

Maybe against the raiders…

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a running game

whether or not they implemant it is the problem. too many times last year LJ would have get touches and was productive the first half then we would abandone the run game the 2nd half.
Wth LJ healthy and charles and smith to back him up and hopefully one more upgrade to the Oline our run game with be strong this year

by DT58forever on Apr 6, 2009 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

That’s why my argument was against dropping LJ.

Some people are of the opinion that with all of our other worries we should throw the running game into crazyness becasue, hey, we have haley and cassel so we are going to throw for 500 yards a game.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bowe has produced

more yards than LJ in the last 2 seasons
more TD’s than LJ in the last 2 seasons

Don’t live in the past. At one time LJ used to be a great running back. His game was always one dimensional, but it was Herms kind of dimension (run run pass punt). In the last 2 years he’s been more of a pain than a player.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't been watching the chiefs

long enough to live in the past. I moved to Wichita 2 years ago and have developed a love for the team just because of the people that support them.

I’m not saying LJ is more productive than Bowe, so I don’t understand your stats…

I’m saying that without the threat of the run, we won’t be able to pass the ball. Period. Cassel will be good I’m sure, but you can’t force a pass when the defense is constantly expecting one, AND you don’t have sufficient WR threats.

Bowe did better than LJ last year in terms of contributing to the team, but i have no confidence in anything other than his Potential.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

me either i love the ground and pound my self but haley

has went to the super bowl with that offense i would kill just to win a playoff game. For once in my life.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 2:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I also will agree that if lj came out and said hey i want to be on this team

i want to fight with these guys every sunday and kc is where my home is . I would say you know what lj i got your back not one time have i heard this man rep KC in fact even when he got his fat contract after holding out did i see this guy come out and say thank you to the team and the fans . I never seen or heard it i may be wrong but i never heard im come out and be a class guy and say this is where i want to be.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 3:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

ANd another thing i havent heard of one player on the new england

squad ever come out and bash each other or say they want out they treat it like an honor to play together and they stick together as a tight unit. i see guys like dbowe and even thigpen even when he was told that he would have to compete for a starting spot he was fine with it . he came out and said hey i have work to do and i know it ill get my shot when the time is right thats a class guy. like i said before when we moved to arrow spread lj should have put effort in his blocking came out and said like a leader im going block im going to do what ever its takes to be on the field. he did none of that he bitches he claimed he wanted out and jamall took over he s toast

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

The problem with that is

He can’t block, he can’t catch, he can’t do much of anything unless he gets 15-30+ carries a game. He’s old, a cancer on the locker room, has notoriously questionable work ethic, and doesn’t want to be here. Why in god’s name would anyone pay that player money to be on their team?

Playing LJ is a great way to get our shiny new 14 million dollar QB hurt by whiffing on a block. He may still be able to run when you get him the ball enough, with the right protection, but he sure as hell hasn’t suddenly learned how to catch out of the backfield or pick up blocks.

We can’t assume that all we’ll be doing is chucking the rock left and right with no run game but LJ is definitely NOT the way to be a dual threat on every down like we need to be. He makes us predictable by being on the field and that’s just as bad as trying to get by with no running game at all.

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 3:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

What would you suggest

We do for this year then?

I don’t have a problem with your argument of needing to overhaul our run game, but I think its best saved for next offseason.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call Denver

Ask them if having 10 different runningbacks go out injured, and having every new guy on the field DESPERATE to prove himself to the team was better than having 1 running back without injury bitching that the team wasn’t doing enough for him.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone assumes that LJ doesn't want to be in KC.

I don’t think that is true. He wanted out at the end of the season, but since the regime change (ive said this like 30 times now) he has been very quiet and cooperative.

I may get proven wrong by some interview in the next 20 min, but I think LJ understands that the best thing for HIM is to stay in KC.

What team is going to offer him ANY kind of money if he isn’t even worth a 4th rounder?

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But that's the whole point.
That all we know about LJ are his actions. He mentioned being traded a couple times at the end of the season. No doubt.

But since the new people have been here…..

All we know about LJ are his actions. You just nailed the reason to dump his ass for a package of strawberry coconut zingers. His actions have spoken louder than his words.

He mentioned being traded a couple times

HAHAHAHAHA! I’m dying over here.
He ‘mentioned’ it a couple times? hahahahaha
As if he had been walking by the office door in passing, popped his head into the coaches office and said, “Hey coach, did I mention that I would be happy with a trade?”
He publically betared his team, coaches, and system. He demanded a trade. He bitched, whined and moaned about the KC fans. He pouted and acted like an ass. He spit his bile into the ears of the entire team. He disrupted the locker room. He refused to get off the field on one 3rd down play. He sat down in front of a mic and told the press that his time was teh K.C. Chiefs was over and that he had no desire to play for the Chiefs.

He ‘mentioned’ it a couple times… hahahahahahahaha. Seriously, that’s some funny shit.

I think LJ understands that the best thing for HIM is to stay in KC.

What team is going to offer him ANY kind of money if he isn’t even worth a 4th rounder

So what you are saying is that now that he has had time to think about it he has realized that he will be royally screwed if he loses the grevience and won’t be able to suck nearly as much money off the teet of some other team; so to facilitate his own best interest he hasn’t talked to the press for a couple months and he showed up to lift some weights.

No thanks. I want a guy that wants to be here and supports his team, not one that is only playing ball because he finally came to the realization that his past actions are going impeed on the lifestyle he has become accustomed to.

Don’t let the door hit ya in ass on the way out LJ. I’d ask for your uniform back but I can get 10,000 more like it off the internet tomorrow afternoon for a lot cheaper than you would want.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 6, 2009 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year's draft

Is pretty deep in the RB slot. Teams are going to be able to find a lot of value in the 2nd and even 3rd rounds. I’d personally love to see us get rid of LJ and our #3 (not necessarily in the same deal mind you) on day 1. Shonn Green should be available in the top of the 2nd (resulting from an LJ + pick deal) and would be a huge steal, he’d also be available at the Eagles’ 28-slot after Moreno and Wells go. Wells should be available at 21 where the Eagles pick though and Andy Reid loves trading around on draft day.

It’s not a stretch to think Pioli and Haley will broker a trade for one, or both, of the Eagles’ picks for our #3 and see us go Defense and/or RB with Wells or Green

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To clarify:

Green would be a reach at 28, I think he’s got a good shot at going in the early 2nd round depending on how aggressive teams are in trading picks. He’s got the size (5’11" 235) to be a great power back and he’s hard to bring down. Doesn’t have elite speed but in a split-back system that’s not a problem.

What I like the most about him is his work ethic. He didn’t get much playing time in 06 due to his age and had academic problems in 07, missing the whole season. He then proceeded to run for 1800 yards and 20 TD’s with at least 100 yds in every game of the 2008 season. That tells me that when given the ball and motivation (knowing this was his one and only shot at the NFL) he makes the most of it, something LJ has never really done.

by JHWK on Apr 6, 2009 4:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This year there will be plenty of guys that are getting cut if haley uses the same offense

as he used while being with the cards charles will start and we pick someone else who gets cut from a team or draft a rb later in the rounds you dont have to get a star back. once we upgrade our lines everyone is going to look good. its not going to be over night but getting rid of lj is the first step to change. And send a message that we dont care who you are bad behavior wont fly and if you are not team first your out of here.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 3:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry sex,

I’m usually on your side of the debate but I just can’t see it this time.

None of his issues have happened with Pioli at the mast. LJ has been very quiet and with the program since they have been in town. I want him gone as bad as anybody, but unless they can trade him for some decent draft picks (at least a 3rd or part of a package to the eagles), he will be suited up on opening day.

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 3:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All good steel i just have never been on the lj band wagon call me crazy but

im just ready to move on with out him. By the way i will pretty much do anything to get that second round pick those picks are gold and we need to get that pick back . I know pioli has something up his sleeves and is working on it this very min to get it back . And im all for having lj come back if he is here to work and if he proves to pioli he is here to stay. I dont think pioli cares if he comes back or not he has new plans and new schemes im sure that dont involve him he could care less. He knows he can make chicken salad out of chicken shit and if lj is gone im pretty sure he can find players that can step in and get the job done hell in new england they had 4 backs or something crazy that were all capable im pretty sure you will see that with this team.At this point i dont see why we should give him more money or pay him money we dont need to when he dont want to be here and when we might be able to get something for him even if it is later picks.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah for sure.

I can’t wait to see what Pioli has been doing this whole time.

I’m sure we will all be shocked. I have given him my complete trust for this year and if he turns us around, its Pioli Party Tyme

by The Steel City on Apr 6, 2009 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He will turn it around his work already has pretty much proved to me

he is not a joke he made moves to get a good head coach and also brang in some vets to help set the tone for leadership and knowledge of the game and got cassel for a 2 round pick thats huge. I see us as going up and we have money in the bank we are in the best case scenario at this point.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"violated a breach of contract"

Um that doesn’t make sense. Yeah so…

The violation IS the breach of contract.

You have just received the Amish Virus. Since we do not have electricity or computers, you are on the honor system. Please delete all of your files.

Thank thee

by JChief on Apr 6, 2009 6:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

????jchief??

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 6, 2009 6:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes?

You don’t “violate” a contract breach. That doesn’t many any sense at all. The breach constitutes the violation. That’s like saying he violated a contract violation!!

You have just received the Amish Virus. Since we do not have electricity or computers, you are on the honor system. Please delete all of your files.

Thank thee

by JChief on Apr 7, 2009 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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