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Chiefs Shouldn't Mess with Texas in NFL Draft

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I made the trek out to the site of the 1904 World's Fair St. Louis this weekend which made for plenty of time to listen to the NFL channel* on Sirius Satellite Radio.

*Seriously, the NFL world is obsessed with the Jay Cutler trade.  Every couple of hours when a new set of hosts would come onto the show they would break down the Cutler trade again. And again. Then they would take calls from folks who wanted to talk about the ramifications of the trade for their team.  I'm obsessed with the NFL as much as the next guy but I am so tired of talking about this trade.

One of the topics discussed was the success, or lack thereof, of University of Texas players in the NFL draft, specifically the first round.  UT has fielded dominant teams in the NCAA, even winning the Rose Bowl in 2006. But the talent they send to the pros is lacking. 

For some reason, a good chunk of Texas players selected in the first round don't pan out in the NFL.  Take a look at the players drafted in the first round since 1998 to get a better idea of what I'm talking about.

  • DB Michael Griffin (19)
  • DB Aaron Ross (20)
  • QB Vince Young (3)
  • DB Michael Huff (7)
  • RB Cedric Benson (4)
  • LB Derrick Johnson (15)
  • WR Roy Williams (7)
  • DT Marcus Tubbs (23)
  • T Mike Williams (4)
  • DB Quentin Jammer (5)
  • T Leonard Davis (2)
  • NT Casey Hampton (19)
  • RB Ricky Williams (5)

From my perspective, there's one player (Casey Hampton) whose justified his draft position.  There are a few players, like the DBs selected in the last few years and Vince Young, who could still blossom into 1st round-type talent but have yet to demonstrate that.

That brings us to Brian Orakpo.  Is he going to be the 3-4 rushbacker everyone says he can be?  Or is he going to be the next Derrick Johnson, who's a good player but not a perennial Pro Bowler like we expected with the 15th overall pick in 2005?

I'm not putting much stock into Orakpo's potential based on a handful of other flameouts to make their way through Austin before hitting the league but it does make me wonder what's going on down there that such a stellar college program produces an unusual amount of busts.

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Bravo!

Tim Floyd snubbing Arizona is more humiliating than getting rejected by a fat chick.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 6, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the site of the 1904 World's Fair St. Louis

LMAO – anyone that has been to the Lou much will appreciate the hilarity of that reference.

by Keyser Sose on Apr 6, 2009 10:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree PT ...

Orakpo scares the hell out of me, and hopefully, he scares the hell out of Pioli as well.

by Keyser Sose on Apr 6, 2009 11:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

nah

I dig this post and the effort and thought of it, but that’s like betting on red in Roulette becomes the color keeps coming up. I’d like to think that all situations are different and that Orakpo is very much his own person.

by Matt Conner on Apr 6, 2009 11:09 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I tend to agree with you

But it’s interesting to note all the busts that come outta there.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 6, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be that

the big 12 just isn’t that good. Texas is the fastest of the slow kids in that regard. And it could also be partially due to the Texas mentality towards football, “we don’t care if you can barely spell your name or how many drugs you do while carrying concealed firearms, as long as you can run the football you can stay in college”.

by Chiefs4Life on Apr 6, 2009 11:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ross Justified His Position

Very good corner on a very good defense.

The biggest problem with Huff has been the Raiders’ idiotic idea of forcing him to play strong safety. Leonard Davis was a legitimate Pro Bowler last year at guard…he was just not suited to be a tackle, but thrived once he was moved. Jammer’s been a fixture for the Chargers. And let’s not forget Justin Blalock, who’s been a solid starter for the Falcons since two games after he was drafted in the 2nd round of 2007.

Just because there are some high-profile busts in the list doesn’t mean all Texas players should be avoided in the draft. Some of those first-rounders have been solid for those teams, but as with any player it also depends on the scheme and the team they end up with.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 6, 2009 11:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nevertheless

Orakpo scares me as a workout and combine beast, like Gholston. Major major athletism and potential, but will he live up to it? Nobody knows.

by Keyser Sose on Apr 6, 2009 11:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just by random chance

shouldn’t one of the “workout warrior/combine beast” types actually kick ass in the NFL? (not saying it’s Orakpo)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unrealistic Expectations?
Or is he going to be the next Derrick Johnson, who’s a good player but not a perennial Pro Bowler like we expected with the 15th overall pick in 2005?

Did we expect that? If we did, maybe we shouldn’t have.

Do I expect a First Round pick to make the team? yes
Do I expect that pick to be a solid contributor for the better part of a decade? yes
Can every first round pick be a Pro-Bowler? no
Can every first round pick be a perennial Pro-Bowler? Bigger no.

Would I love DJ to improve his game tremendously? yes
Even if he did so, would that ensure him a spot in the Pro-Bowl? no – especially if we stay in a 4-3, or if he plays ILB in a 3-4.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 11:18 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bottom line...

Do you think Derrick Johnson has been worth the #15 overall pick so far?

Tough call.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 6, 2009 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you do it again knowing what you know now? Maybe not.

Considering guys like this went in the 3rd round:

Channing Crowder 378 tackles – 1 sack – 0 int
Kirk Morrison 498 tackles – 3 sacks – 7 int

by Keyser Sose on Apr 6, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think Derrick Johnson has been worth the #15 overall pick so far?

What # overall was Ryan Sims? =)

Seriously though, it is a tough call. Considering that up until last year, he was one of the few bright spots on our defense, I’d say yes, at this point, I do think he was worth the #15 pick. Am I dissapointed he hasn’t done more? yep, but he REALLY needs some help – the other linebackers we’ve had with him have been, for the most part, total retarts.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 6, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DJ

I remember listening to a reporter on talk radio talk about how all the stars at texas are always babyed when there in college and when they get to the NFL the coaches put them in thier place and there just not used to being treated like that and it crushes them.
And i agree for the most part
But i do think DJ was worth the number 15 specially with who we had drafting at the time he is still young enough to develop and it not like he been a complete bust, look at all the people around him. I think when pioli gets some real p;layers in here on D he will develop into a top 15 LB in the league

by cassel4prez on Apr 6, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree with PV ... maybe our expectations were/are too high for DJ

Maybe he just is what he is – and IS living up to his ‘potential’. And maybe, just maybe, this should tell us something about the difference between the very top linebackers versus the others. Look at these stats from the 2005 1st round LBs:

  1. DeMarcus Ware 297 tckl 53.5 sacks 1 int
  2. Shawn Merriman 189 tckl 39.5 sacks 1 int
  1. Thomas Davis 327 tckl 9.5 sacks 1 int
  2. Derrick Johnson 349 tckl 12 sacks 3 int
  1. David Pollack 29 tckl 4.5 sack 0 int – retired after career ending injury

No he’s not a pro-bowl player, but he IS a very solid LB that could be even better if he had ANYONE around him.

by Keyser Sose on Apr 6, 2009 11:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know what happened to the numbers ....

Ware was #11, Merriman #12, Davis, #14, DJ #15, Pollack #17

by Keyser Sose on Apr 6, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Orakpo has 4-3 written all over him

he’s just marketing himself as versatile enough to play 3-4 so he can be drafted higher, but in order for him to find success in this league I think it will have to happen in a 4-3 scheme

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 6, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I Agree! And stay away from USC as well!

USC is probably a more glaring example of this! Other than a few “great” players, take a look at all of the number ones in the past several years and see what kind of production they brought to the NFL after they were highly touted in college. The lack of production and “busts” of some of these players is astonishing! The production at USC does not transfer to the pro’s! Do you agree Matt Leinart?

All About The Exclamation Points!!!

by Goldzone on Apr 6, 2009 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I do not agree.

Signed-
Matt Cassel
Troy Polamalu
Carson Palmer
Sam Baker
Reggie Bush
Sedrick Ellis
Justin Fargus
Lofa Tatupu
LenDale White

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 6, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one knows about any player in the draft.

Staying away from a specific college because of past draft success is completely pointless. You look at a player and try to be any different variable to make an educated guess on whether he will warrant an early pick. Some of them pan out, some of them don’t. Texas has been very dominant in college football lately so more than likely they will have the talent scouts will be taking a hard look at. In a nutshell don’t right off a player for what program they were with, because you just cant ever know.

by theboweshow on Apr 6, 2009 3:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

oops

*put any variable, not be any variable

by theboweshow on Apr 6, 2009 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texas draftees

Several Coaches I know say Texas players have been playing for so long that a lot of developemnt doesn’t seem to occur and that burn-out is a serious issue. …

by RatsoReily on Apr 6, 2009 6:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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