Chiefs Sitting on $31.6 Million to Spend
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 7:56 PM CDT
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Uh, Scott, you know there's a salary minimum, right?
The Kansas City Chiefs have spent approximately $95.4 million on player personnel this season. Problem is, that's still $31.6 million away from the $127 million salary cap for the 2009 NFL season (H/T Bill Williamson at ESPN for the $31.6 million figure).
This is BY FAR the most amount of cap space remaining in the AFC West. The Broncos ($12.5 million), Chargers ($7.8 million) and Raiders ($8.2 million) are nowhere near the Chiefs when it comes to cap space.
Below are a few of the places Chiefs GM Scott Pioli has been spending his money.
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$745,000 |
$14.65 Million |
$620,000 |
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$3.2 million |
$1 million |
$875,000 |
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$310,000 |
$535,000 |
$1.01 million |
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$620,000 |
$1 million |
$310,000 |
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$535,000 |
$1.545 million |
$620,000 |
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$385,000 |
$745,000 |
S Jarrad Page**
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*Restricted free agent signed tender
**Restricted free agent has not signed tender
New GM Scott Pioli spent $14.65 million on his new quarterback, Matt Cassel, but other than that has scraped the bottom of the barrel as far as paying free agents. He inherited Mike Vrabel's contract from the Patriots (coincidentally one he helped negotiate) and spent a million plus on Zach Thomas and the RFAs.
The cap value of the Chiefs' 2008 rookies was about $11.6 million. But that was with 12 draft picks. This year, with only eight picks (and just one first rounder), the Chiefs will likely spend between $6-8 million (we'll be getting more in depth on what the Chiefs can expect to pay their rookies tomorrow).
So, let's say after the rookie deals are done the Chiefs are looking at $24 million to spend. If you're Scott Pioli, what are you spending $24 million on?
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Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 29, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions
We could do worse
And it would be for the short term.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
But if Parcells was eager to do away with him
I don’t see Mini-Parcells breaking character and chasing him. The only reason JT starts to add up is because of $ to spend and the Zach Thomas acquisition
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 29, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Who?
Chiefs? I think that’s a rumor being circulated by ESPN. I haven’t read that anywhere except for that Insider piece where they say the Chiefs “could” be interested.
He didn’t rule out returning to the Dolphins again.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not
He has experience, is known to hustle, and is young to boot. Not to mention according to his wiki page he posted 35 reps at his combine. Nice
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 29, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Foote's not available and Hill is supposed to be negotiating with the Seahawks
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm...a LB under 30?
Yep, I’m on board.
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Foote has been realesed but sounds like he will and why would hill resign with seahawks they just took millions away from him and slapped him like a red headed step child
Foote hasn't been released yet.
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually they did a good thing for him
Players don’t like the franchise tag because it prevents them from getting a longer, bigger deal on the open market.
As far as Hill back to the Seahawks goes:
Despite the Seattle Seahawks rescinding the $8.3 million franchise tender from LB LeRoy Hill over the weekend, the team has held multiple conversations with Hill’s agent, Todd France, since pulling the tender after taking Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry fourth overall in the NFL Draft on Saturday.
By removing the tender, Hill immediately became an unrestricted free agent and could sign with any team. For the Seahawks, the move frees space under the salary cap for them to sign players, including Hill.
The Seahawks needed to restructure. It’s not like they didn’t want them. And there are worse things in the world than getting released of your franchise tag a week after the draft when there are a handful of quality players left.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought seattle franchising him in the first place was a little bit of a reach, yeh he will receive more garanteed money and a long term deal but will make significantly less this year than he would with the tag
It's not about this year
He would receive more than $8 million in bonus/guaranteed money. What if he gets hurt next season? Then he’s screwed. It’s ALL about the long-term deal with players. The 2nd contract is the one that matters.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
So
he would collect a easy 9 mil this year and if he proved himself and had another consistent year under his belt he would be rewarded with a huge contract next year, this way if he signs this year he prolly wont hit free agency until hes past 30, In result teams would be hesitant to sign him long term deal.
I agree with you that players dont like the tag, and want the garanteed money that comes with a long term deal.
But we dont know if there trying to low ball him or if there looking sign him to a comparable contract.
I believe there gonna try and low ball him because they obviously didnt believe in his ability before the draft.
by cassel4prez on Apr 29, 2009 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Injury
he would collect a easy 9 mil this year and if he proved himself and had another consistent year under his belt he would be rewarded with a huge contract next year
It’s the same reason players don’t want an 18 game schedule. If he gets hurt next season, then he’s got nothing. Why would he want to risk that?
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
They already turned down a 2nd round pick from the Bears
Are we really going to give up a first rounder for him??
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Really?
Pioli and Belichick valued 2nd rounders soo much. I don’t see this happening especially for a fairly low impact position like wide receiver.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
They gave up a 2nd and a 7th for Welker in NE
He was a restricted free agent and they worked out that deal. But to me, that sets the bar of what they’d be willing to give up.
True
But Welker (who was three years younger at the time of the trade) also signed for 5 years, $18 million. Boldin is looking for $9 million per year.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point
It could be argued that Boldin brings a lot to the table that Welker doesn’t. You could also say that Welker has some abilities that Boldin lacks. I’m not sure which I’d rather have, but I know damn well there isn’t a $6.5 million/year difference between the two.
Yes
Welker brings more to the table IMO. At least with the Pats offense. In the last two years he’s had 60 more catches than Boldin and hasn’t missed a game (whereas Boldin has missed eight).
Not looking for a soon to be 29 year old WR looking for a $9 million per year deal that’s only made it through 75% of the season the last two years.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You convinced me
We’d have to grossly overpay for Boldin in salary and draft picks, and I don’t want to do that considering his age and injury history
But with Welker, he’s valuable in the way they’re able to use him, and having Randy Moss on the outside greatly increases his effectiveness. I’m not taking away from what he does, because there isn’t anyone in the league that plays the slot better than him, but he can’t line up outside. He’s purely a slot receiver.
Boldin can play X,Y,Z effectively and has the capability of making plays that not many other receivers can. It’s just not worth giving up a 2nd rounder + AND a $8-10 mil a year to get him.
yeh look at how succesful stokley was when he played with manning harrison and wanye and didnt do anything in denver I think this is the same case with welker not producing in Miami and now with brady and moss his numbers are off the chart.
I think one first rounder would be a steal for one second rounder he will turn 29 in october and could just be hitting his prime, he made leinert look like a starter i could only imagine what cassel could do with him i think both second rounders are debatable
I see your argument
And it’s not a bad one. It’s just that things like injuries and missing 10 starts in two years usually don’t get better with age.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Boldin for sure, welker only had two good years and both of them were in New england, i guessing this has to do with the talent around him.
Boldin was a stud with lienhart throwing to him when the cards were shitty.
Since they both have become starters
Boldin is Avg 1080yds/year and 83 catches a year
Welker is avg 865 yds/year and 80 catches
despite being hurt
Welker only started 2 games his last year in Miami
Which is misleading, because they ran a 3 wide set a lot, so he was on the field more than the “starting” fullback". But still he had 67 catches for 687 yards with Cleo Lemon etc. throwing to him. That’s who he is, a 10 yard per catch, get me a first down, guy. He and Boldin do different things, so it’s hard to compare them.
To compare to basketball, Welker is like a spot-up shooter, hit him with an open look and he’ll know down the jump shot. The D has to respect him so it makes it a lot easier on the post players down low. Boldin is a slasher who can create his own shot and carry the offense when it’s stagnant.
yeh very misleading he appeared in all 16 games i would say
Boldin is lebron
welker is steve nash
both close to the top in thier position
Talent around him
Or his 3rd year in the league? WRs historically take several years to come around.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions
outside of
Quarterback and Defensive ends i cant think of a postition that is more valuable, possibly rb and corner but i would say it one of the top 5 most important position. Pioli wasnt afraid to trade away a second rounder for a franchise player in cassel and i think its a possibility
WR?
So it’s the 5th most important position? Make that sixth actually…blind side OT is probably the second most important.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree I would say
Quarterback
Left tackle
Defensive end
cornerback and wide receivers tied
running back
In that order
I would amend that slightly to:
QB
LT
DE
DT (gotta have your big man pushing on the inside)
CB (There are far fewer true shutdown corners than there are consistant receivers)
WR
RB (only behind WR because it’s easier to find useful runners)
I would deffinantly say DT is below WR in the 4-3, i believe in the 3-4 they would be above DE at the third spot
I think in the 4-3 DT can be no name guys and can still get the job done, where as in the 3-4 you pretty much have to have a household name, on the top of my head i cant even think of a dominating 43 DT
Warren Sapp, Albert Haynesworth, Tony Siragusa, Leon Lett
Dan Saleamua, Chester McGlockton (Raiders not Chiefs), Kris Jenkins, Tommy Harris, Cortez Kennedy, probably many many more that I’m to lazy to think of.
It’s pretty important regardless of scheme.
yeh forgot haynesworth is in the 4-3 but i still think that a DT in 3-4 is alot more valuable and harder tocome by than 4-3 DT, specially with alot of teams transitioning to the 3-4
They do have different roles in different schemes obviously
I’d still rather have Warren Sapp in his prime than Randy Moss.
o no way randy in his prime was too sick, although they both will be regarded as some of the best that have played thier position. but i look at pat and kevin williams two slightly above average DT in 43 and they were both pro bowlers. you can get by with 2 avg DT in the 43 i dont think you can get by with a AVG DT in the 34
Kevin Williams is way more than above average.
There are like 3 guys in the league who can maul guards the way he can.
yeh your right i wasnt aware of his stats looks like he avg 50 tkl and 7 sacks a year since hes been in. but still believe you can succeed with avg DT in the 4-3
Are you refering to NT?
There is no DT in a true 3-4 unless you are talking about the NT.
And the NT is defiantly the most important position in the 3-4. LBs are really important too but if the NT can’t dominate both of his A gaps, the linebackers and DEs are going to get stuffed every time.
That’s why we really need Tank to man up and put some f’ng muscule on. HE needs to get Casey Hampton big. Also the reason I always laugh when people suggest Dorsey at NT.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
Pass rush is important
DE/LB – for pass rush
LT
QB
LB/DT – for run stopping
CB
RB
S
WR
TE
P
K
FB
There's no way QB isn't at the top
Probably the most important position in all of sports.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
yeh QB has to be most important and RB are a dime a dozen in the league, theres no way WR should be down by punters and kickers and LB and DT and DE are all seperate positions
cardinals are prime example the only way they made it to the superbowl was because the play of thier wide receivers, didnt really have RB no dominating DE or OLB
The Cardinals got hot and Warner-Fitzgerald was lights out.
But a big part of their success was Darnell Dockett wreaking havoc in the playoffs at that under tackle position.
I agree that dockett went off in the playoffs but they won 7 of thier first ten then fell off and got real hot in the playoffs
I'll give you that despite Dockett's performance
The Cards don’t go anywhere without Fitzgerald. I buy into the inside out philosophy though. Get the big uglies first.
Uh huh. And can you name the wide receivers for the Super Bowl champion Ravens?
by burntorangehorn on Apr 29, 2009 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, just ask Trent Dilfer =P
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 29, 2009 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Speaking of which, may I present “The Predator”?
Coincidentally, the way-too-early CNN/SI mock had him going to KC, I believe. He’s a beast.
by burntorangehorn on Apr 29, 2009 11:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think it’s his old high school number. He played a lot of running back in those days.
From MBTF:
Coached by Bobby Estes at Woodrow Wilson H.S. … a Parade All-America selection and Parade Player of the Year finalist … named the Parade AFL Ironman (best two-way player nationally) … the Old Spice Red Zone National Player of the Year … also named first-team All-American by USA Today … was the only Texas player to earn all-state honors on both offense and defense … recorded 411 tackles and 55 TFL, while rushing for 5,632 yards and 86 TDs over his final three seasons … was the starting center on the basketball team … ran the 400m, 4×400-meter relay and competed in the long jump.
by burntorangehorn on Apr 30, 2009 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions
did anyone else notice
we’re paying jeff webb more than bobby engram? crazy
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
I thought that was strange too.
But I guess you would pay more for a play in his prime, than a 36 year old.
Late
but I noticed that as well and thought WTF
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
Tyson Jackson
Doesn’t have a contract so that will be a pretty nice cut into the Salary Cap. There might be one or 2 more big signings but I doubt anything more than that.
It won't be much the first year
For salary cap reasons. For example, last year Glenn Dorsey’s cap number was about $2.4 million last year. Brandon Albert’s was about $4.7 million and Flowers’ was just over one million.
After that, no rookie had a cap hit over $500,000 last year.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If they only spend the minimum
don’t they only have about 10 million to go? After the rookie deals that only leaves about 2-4 million.
What is the Salary floor? 85%?
That means technically, they only have to reach around $107 mil.
They have $20 million in “mad money” that they can spend, or not spend.
Yeah it's like 86.4%
They’re close for sure.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
745k for sacking groceries
now thats a good gig, McGraw
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 29, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions
If you’re Scott Pioli, what are you spending $24 million on?
Hookers and student loans =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
The good one's too
none of the one’s Jason Whitlock hangs and is pictured with
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 29, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I know Clark wants to win. I don't doubt it at all, and I think Pioli has the green light to spend it.
BUT if the Don can’t find ways to spend it, I’m sure Clark doesn’t mind banking his $20 million.
Errol Flynn Quote;
“I spent most of my money on women and booze…the rest I spent frivolously”
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
Why would you give student loans to hookers? :)
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I paid straight cash for my hookers, no nasty interest like student loans.
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Not really,
I just had so much student debt, I had to pay the hookers in cash. :)
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions
See, all my cash from my job went to booze
I used my allotted text-book money from my loan to put toward hookers.
And in all seriuosness, replace “hookers” with “weed” and that’s dead on.
Who needs hookers in college when you’ve got drunk frosh.
If I had known adult life changed after college, I wouldn't have ever left.
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If I didn't hate writing papers so much I'd still be there
Become one of those career students.
Though I think the fun lessens after undergrad when you encounter less 19 year olds and have to actually do a lot of work.
if BJU is teaching to do things cut and dry then.....
i’m not interested in any of their graduates.
I’ll stick with the Texas A&M farm chicks around here.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
Get Favre...or Fav-or...NOW!!!
And while we’re at it get Plaxico, Jeff George and Vick for tree-fiddy.
Get Edgerrin for a few bucks more.
…and spend the rest on the aforementioned car, hookers and student loans…which should leave enough for a BBQ party for all the folks at AP.
:)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
tree-fiddy?
I’m not paying a dime more than tree-fidy for all of them combined…and a ham.
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Well it was about that time...
Damnit – I ain’t giving you no tree fiddy
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
You ain't gonna pay tree-fiddy?
Bert and Ernie say, "You better ante up."
As a pimp once said to me, "It ain’t white boy day is it?"
I replied, "but I gots student loans to give ya."
+100 to anyone that catches the movie ref.
I don't have religion. I have Baduizm...and Billie Holiday...and Janet. Actually, just Janet.
by DThomasReigns on Apr 29, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I was nerdy enough to google it
But I won’t tell.
by Chris Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Murphy's Romance?
Didn’t Sally Field say that to James Garner when he wanted her to make him breakfast?
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
Gonzalez is going to regret leaving
because we are going to build ourselves a championship team with that money
I would bet that a chunk of that $24 million is
spent on Cassell’s re-worked contract.
No Way
Cassel’s cap value will be much, much lower than that.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Cassell's contract
I dont expect a long term deal to happen untill after this season. This way if he was a one year wonder we are not committing a bunch of money and it would also reduce the amount of leverage he has. Now if he plays his way to the Pro-bowl he will earn his chunk of change. IMHO Pioli will make him earn his salary not just give it to him.
by kingshunter on Apr 29, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
keeping the cap money for another day
It wouldn’t surprise me if Pioli spent just above the minimum. I don’t foresee him use much of our cap this year. I know that next year is potentially uncapped, but it wont last. there will be salary cap again and with economic variables (the nations economy, over all tickets sales, merch sales, potential for a lockout\strike, variables on revenue sharing ) who knows if it will be more or less that where it currently is. On a second note, Pioli while with the patriots in the last 9 years was only in the top 10 spending teams twice. 2005 they had the 7th highest payroll, in 2006 they had the 2nd highest payroll. (credit USA today http://content.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/salaries/totalpayroll.aspx?year=2008 its a great resource for cap and salary issues) They did not list the salary cap for each so i dont know how much under the cap they were but the do list the overall cap number. So i guess i said all that to say don’t expect much spending.
Well I for one could use a new truck....
"But what do I know, I'm AP's new assclown and I’m like an empty room with a large ECHO"
Done...but no flashing lisghts and it can't be red 'cause you'll use it as a tax deduction ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Question on how we gpt so much extra cash
How did Carl leave us in such a good salary cap situation? If Carl had so much money to spend how come he didnt spend it to save his reputation and the job of his coach he hired?
Herm
Remember in 2007 and 2008 when we cut all the veteran talent and went young? That’s when all the money left too.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions
And just think
We would have $45 million without Cassel’s franchise tag (which will be dramatically reduced whenever the Chiefs sign him to a long-term deal).
by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Also remember
They could’ve accelarated some of the “dead” cap space last year if they had wanted. That would’ve opened up even more cap space.
by WesternChief on Apr 29, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe we should send
Julius Peppers some Gate’s or Arthur Bryant’s BBQ and let him know we’ve got a little cap space that he could help us spend.
We did want in on that I heard
But Washington Cheated :)
Washington always cheats.
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
Suggs
has he signed anything with the Ravens yet?
by thejesuslizard on Apr 29, 2009 11:30 PM CDT reply actions
How about
LB, RE, OL, and WR for a start. Don’t have any specific players in mind but, I bet Pioli does.
David Logue
Depends
There are still many teams that are going to make roster cuts for whatever reason, I think that’s what the Dynamic Duo have been waiting for to see who gets cut and what we can pick them up for. In every press conference I keep hearing “We are not done yet”. There may yet be some big surprises yet to be dumped into the clearance bin that could be Chiefs.
is it me? or isn't about time the Lamar Hunt trophy belonged to His team?
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