Brett Favre Coming Back?

This may be an retarted question

but who is the NFL’s most prolific team killer?

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 29, 2009 8:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Thats easy.

Al Davis.

"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi

by Shawn on Apr 29, 2009 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Just about to ask the same thing

Vick?

by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

So he doesn’t count. He wasn’t as bad as Owens, though…that guy is the ultimate team cancer. Frankly, I thought he cost the Eagles that Super Bowl he played in…he was given such a huge cushion from the DB that even a healthy FredEx could have gotten 200 yards against that coverage. And Owens was clearly less than 100%…his lack of agility due to the injury appeared to severely limit his yards after the catch.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What?!

As much as I agree with you about being a team killer, I have to say I disagree about you in regards to the superbowl that he played in. The guy came back about 2 months sooner than he should have and was the most dominant receiver in the game. I remember on the first play of the eagles first drive, he caught a quick pass from McNabb and then proceeded on throwing the defensive back out of bounds.

I don’t believe that this would have changed the game, but if you are going to blame any player on the eagles team for the loss, it would be without question McNabb and his poor game management in the fourth quarter.

As big of an idiot as TO is, he is still plays football because he loves the game (unlike players like Ocho, Ricky Wiliiams, etc…) and in my personal opinion, is still quite dominant.

by Ben S on Apr 29, 2009 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Among Current Players

Terrell Owens.

I agree that Al Davis is the worst owner…I was just talking about players.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ah.

Clearly T.O. or Vick. Possibly Ryan Leaf or Joey Harrington? Not in the way of doing things on purpose to hurt the team, just sucking that bad to set a franchise back so far.

"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi

by Shawn on Apr 29, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Only Talking Current Players

Vick and Leaf are out of the league, and Harrington wasn’t a team killer…just a terrible QB. He didn’t cause nearly the problems that Owens did with his teams. Among all-time players, I think Leaf is right up there, though.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Off the top of my head I would think Pacman Jones

but I have actually read that he is a good locker room player, so I’m going to go with T.O. he’s in his own league. Chad Johnson might come in second.

"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi

by Shawn on Apr 29, 2009 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If You Consider Favre A Current Player (And I Do, Until He Sits Out A Year)

I don’t think he comes close to Ocho Stinko for destructiveness. He doesn’t go after teammates like TO and Favre had, his teams haven’t been as reliant on him as they were on Owens and Favre (Johnson had Houshmandzadeh to take some heat) and he doesn’t polarize the fan base or locker room like Owens or Favre.

Owens, to my mind, is the worst team cancer by far. Favre’s solidly in second place though…he’s a hypocrite, he’s undermined teammates who he perceived to be a threat to his standing, he’s constantly used his popularity with the fanbase to try and blackmail his team…even if there wasn’t any contract angle in it, even if it was just about his personal neediness. And since Mike Holmgren left Green Bay Favre’s basically the kind of player who will play well enough to get you to the big game, but will screw you on the big stage because he’s more interested in being the hero than actually winning the game. The Favre that played under Holmgren was a clear Hall-of-Fame QB. The post-Holmgren Favre is a player I wouldn’t want anywhere near a team that I root for.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Great points.

"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi

by Shawn on Apr 29, 2009 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Realize

That’s it’s easy to forget about Owens now that he’s in Buffalo, where I’m not entirely sure they still have a football team. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

T.O.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

al davis.

T.o preforms so you cant say he doesnt do his part.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 29, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The question was....

Who is the leagues most prolific team killer…
It has nothing to do with performance. Al Davis has taken his team to a superbowl or 5, and even managed to win. Al Davis has just gotten old, and refuses to live anywhere but the past. There was a time in the NFL when running the ball to suck in the defense and then throwing it up deep behind them was all the rage. It used to be the formulia to win, not anymore. Davis is holding on to late 80’s football and therefore is ruining his team. But, he’s only kiklling one team.

T.O. started in San Fran comming off the back of the Montana/Young era of greatness. Garcia (who has proven again and again in the NFL that he is capable of winning) was his QB. He trashed Garcia in the media, the locker room, and on the practive field. His relationship with his QB was so bad that the team was forced to make a choise between the 2. The team chose TO (bad move, and the begining of the San Fran downfall). After a time San Fran finally opened their eyes to what a huge cancer TO was to the locker room and they moved him to Philly. It was too late by that point.

T.O. moved on to Philly where McNabb was his QB. Once again T.O. fought with his QB. He trashed him in the media, the locker room, and the press. The fued was very public and very hateful. T.O. did what T.O. does; he produces on the field and tears the team to shreads from the inside out. T.O. absolutely refuses to be anything less than the #1 unchallenged face of the franchise. No one else is allowed to get any credit for anything, and it’s all about me me me not about the team. A strong team was once again torn appart by T.O. Philly had to make a choise between their QB and their receiver, and off to Dallas he went.

T.O. arrives in Dallas, and just like he did in Philly he layed low for the first season to prove that he could be a team player. Once again he produced on the field, but once again his head swelled to the size of a watermelon. It didn’t take long for us to start hearing about T.O. in the press every weekend. "Get your popcorn ready, " because he’s going to put on a show. The team isn’t going to put on a show, T.O. is. No one is allowed to get more press than T.O., and when they do he takes a handfull of pills and fakes the suicide attempt. He doesn’t want to die, he wants to be the center of attention. As the team starts to spread the ball around to Clayton and Whitten because the 30+ year old legs just can’t get the seperation from the double teams like they used to, and the foot injuries are starting to add up (see Giant Vs. Cowboys third meeting in 2007 for proof of that) T.O. is right back to his old tricks. Posion the locker room saying the team CANNOT win if they don’t throw him the ball. Challenge other players on the team and accuse them of being part of a conspiricy to hold him back, and berate your QB (who already has confidence issues in big games) openly on the field and in the press. Once again T.O. tears the team unity to shreads on and off the field, because it’s not about the team. It’s about me me me. Replay of San Fran and Philly…. join the team, destroy the team, move on to another team.

T.O. has already killed 3 teams. Al Davis has only killed 1, and it’s his team to kill. It’s not even a contest of who is the bigger team killer. You have got to be able to seperate on field production from team destroying antics. T.O. will have a weak willed young QB that has never won anything in Buffalo. That means that T.O. gets to walk in the door as the BMOC that can be the star from day one. He will be (as his ego demands) the big cheese. No one will be allowed to get more praise or press than T.O., and if the QB starts getting the praise for winning games you can be your ass that T.O. will undermine him in the locker room too. Winning regular season games probably sells tickets, but that’s all T.O. will ever be: A team killing cancer that can sell tickets while destroying QB’s and griping the spotlight with a stranglehold of a grip. With T.O. it will NEVER be about the team. It will always be about T.O.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 29, 2009 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I almost agree about the T.O thing

But here is the way I look at it any team can just throw away T.O and move on. As for al davis yes he has ruined only one team but he is ruining a franchise. All the fan that support the raiders are suffering from his horrible decisions. And i dont even know how they have fans with his off the wall attitude toward coaches and decision making. I would have hit the road a long time ago . But some how the raiders still have fans. I dont get it. And on top of that al davis family is going to be running the show pretty soon so its not looking no better for that franchise once al dies. I know T.O is a cancer but he still contributes to the team. He makes big plays and at times is unstoppable . But the bottom line he is not ruining an entire franchise year after year he is actually taking teams to the super bowl where as all davis is ruining football standards.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 29, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Taking teams to the Superbowl???

One superbowl appearance in his entire career, and they lost.
The Raiders under Davis have faired much better than that.

The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw

by Texas Chief on Apr 29, 2009 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Im not going to defend T. O ur right he is a bum

But you can get rid of bums . YOu cant get rid of al davis

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 29, 2009 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree.

I can’t think of another athlete in ANY sport that has killed as many teams as T.O.
Not even Darryl Strawberry or Latrell Spreewell

just keep matriculating the ball down the field !

by SoCalChief on Apr 29, 2009 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well Plaxico tried

…but he only got himself in the buttocks ;)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pill popping attention whore.

I do not snort the coke I only smoke...sensimilla.

by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 29, 2009 8:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Regarding the poison pill

He’s been released outright so there is no poison pill. I think it was that Favre’s price tag would be three 1st rounders if he went to any NFC North team.

Everyone is fair game now…

by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I Thought So Too

But I could have sworn that the trade clause covered waivers too…but I may be remembering that wrong.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I recall watching the story break on ESPN

and they specifically said this would release them from that clause. Don’t have a written source, and you know how ESPN can be.

by KCScuba on Apr 29, 2009 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

the only way the poison pill would work is if the Jets got compensated in a trade or something

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 29, 2009 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/45027-brett-favres-trade-details

The New York Jets acquire Brett Favre. The Packers get a fourth round pick if Brett plays under 50 percent of the snaps in 2008.

If Favre plays over 50 percent of the snaps it becomes a third round pick. If Favre plays 70 percent of the snaps and makes the playoffs it becomes a second round pick. If the Favre plays 80 percent of the snaps and the Jets make the Super Bowl it becomes a first round pick.

However, there is one more clause. If Favre is traded to the Vikings, the Jets owe the Packers three first round picks

That’s what that link says, I can’t find anything about the clause covering wavers, but I’m sure the details are much more in depth.

"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi

by Shawn on Apr 29, 2009 8:30 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I Suspect That Waivers Aren't Covered

I doubt the league or the NFLPA would approve a contract that didn’t let a waived player sign with anyone. So it was probably my bad.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Jeff George is the answer

Jeff George :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

He Was A Bad One

Mainly in Indianapolis. He wasn’t that bad in Minnesota…he was just a cost casualty.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cost casualty

Whoever got paid for the mullett needs to return the money ;)

Although he was doomed in Minnesota as well consdiering the talent (or lack thereof) around him. NFL Network did a top 10 busts last week and broke down George’s trade(s) that was pretty interesting.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That Was A Terrible Trade For Indianapolis

They signed a franchise QB, then dumped the left tackle and WR they needed to develop him into a franchise QB. In fairness to George, he absolutely got the crap kicked out of him during his time in Indianapolis. He was one of the league leaders in sacks every year because he had such pathetic protection.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

And that's what the top 10 covered as well

He ended up playing on so many mediocre teams that he went into obscurity.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

This move was the team covering the butts, not Favre returning.

The jets did this now because if he does decide to come back he does so a a huge salary. Although the could just cut him if he does that this is a much smaller PR nightmare that if Favre says he is returm\ning and then they whack him.

by saskwatch on Apr 29, 2009 8:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not Favre Returning Yet

I think they know he’ll come back and they want to be shed of him before that crap starts.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have to admit it was pure PR genius to get him on the Jets

They filled seats using his name and now they have Sanchez to fill the seats this year. Both were sexy picks from a $$$ standpoint although Favre didn’t live up to gaining "W"’s and Sachez is TBD.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 8:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We'll See With Sanchez

It’s still the Jets. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It’s still the Jets. :)

Ouch ;)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've Got A Cousin Who's A Long-Time Jets Fan

He knows the deal. Whatever the Jets do is probably not going to work out.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

All You Have To Do

Is look at their drafts. :)

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

Why not retain him and if the opportunity arises trade him?

by Joel Thorman on Apr 29, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Because The Market For Him Is Going To Be Extremely Limited

Based on all the crap he pulled last year. Plus, he counts $13 million against their cap if they keep him…the only reason he didn’t was because he was on their retired list. And they can’t trade him to the one team he wants to play for.

There’s no advantage to the Jets in keeping him and plenty of reasons to think he’ll be a problem child if they do.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have a question.

Which current player was a big locker room cancer and has turned it around the most? ala Randy Moss from the Vikings days until now, I think he has turned it around. Larry Johnson has the chance to do so with us.

"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi

by Shawn on Apr 29, 2009 9:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Larry Johnson Has No Shot To Turn It Around With Us

He will not play another game for the Chiefs. Doing so would reinstitute the guaranteed money in his contract. Johnson’s gone if the Chiefs can’t trade him…they’ll cut him and walk away.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think you are right the Chiefs will probably do that and rightfully so,

but my gut feeling tells me that he will be a Chief, I don’t know what it is. I am really excited to see what the newly drafted RB Javarris Williams can do, his body type makes up for a kind of a freak of a running back.

"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi

by Shawn on Apr 29, 2009 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

The only way Farve comes back

is if he feels he tarnished his reputation too much by losing those games with multiple interceptions and wants to redeem himself.

Otherwise he signs a one day contract with the Pack and officially hangs them up!

by Primmtime on Apr 29, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

I think Favre is done this time around. He’ll hang out of the spotlight like he’s doing now for a while, just long enough for people to forget about last season, and then he’ll start popping up again…but just as a personality, not playing for any team. Favre certainly has a bit of an ego, but I think you’re making more out of it than is really there.

by jbj8609 on Apr 29, 2009 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I Don't Think It's Even That

I think it’s just that he’s one of those old athletes who can’t quit because he can’t imagine his life without football and adulation.

I suspect that when Favre is actually done, probably when no team will even consider giving him a contract (as opposed to it being his choice), he’s really going to struggle with his life after football.

Predictions for 2009

1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.

by UCrawford on Apr 29, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are we talking about the same player?

The one Gene Upshaw referred to as Brett FA-VOR when he was drafted? ;-)

NFL network kept replaying that announcement over and over again this last weekend during the draft. I thought it was funny.

To make matters worse, they had a group of guys tell the draft pick announcer at the podium the player names pronunciation so as not to screw things up….during the third round he said:

“The St. Louis Cardinals select…” I thought that was pretty funny…anyone catch that?

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 1:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Gene Upshaw?

…I think youre meanin Pete Rozelle.

Yea I noticed that Cardinals thing too, that was funny.

by woodman212 on Apr 29, 2009 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

OOPS...my bad...lol :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 29, 2009 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs