Thank you but no, I'm full.
by SoCalChief on Apr 28, 2009 6:32 PM CDT
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PrintLet me first say (with some amount of shame) I own exactly ONE Chiefs jersey...its a #88 away.
I'm in the real estate business which heavily involves the creation and execution of contracts. A contract very simply put is a promise where one party agrees to some specific action and the other agrees to specific consideration. The key word is "promise" the "contract" side of it merely binds the parties legally to that promise.
Tony made a promise to the Kansas City Chiefs which if you peel away all the layers means he made a promise to the consumers of Chiefs football...we the fans.
I loved Tony Gonzalez and to some small extent always will but I'm not going to accept the table-scrap he just handed down as fair "consideration" to relive him of the promise he made to the Chiefs and their fans.
I was talking to my twelve year old daughter about Tony leaving the chiefs, she’s not really a football fan but she knows I love it so she humors me. I hope some of you have kids this age as well, if so, try this experiment; Explain what Tony did and ask your kid what (s)he thinks about it. You will probably have to explain what a contact is, try doing that without using the words "promise, commitment, or obligation". You can't fool a kid they still believe a promise is a promise. It takes a few years of witnessing “adults” and “role models” constantly backing out of commitments to taint a kid into accepting that behavior. Some of us even rationalize it to the point where we think we understand why they are doing it and even feel like they deserve to be let free of their obligation because “we” couldn’t provide them with more than what they asked for.
I doubt there was any language in Tony's contract that said "as long as the team is competitive" or a "Super Bowl contender clause", and he certainly has no reason to have a beef with the ownership or management of the team. Tony was simply being selfish putting his own desires ahead of the promises he had already made. Condoning and even worse rationalizing this behavior will only encourage star players to continue to shop for championships as the twilight of their career grows near. More and more will do so even in the middle of their careers. Does Deon Sanders ring a bell?
As long as we fans continue to support athletes as they shop the better markets for a championship table-scraps are all we are going to get and more and more athletes are going to feed them to us along the way. I want Tony Gonzalez to get his championship ring but only if it’s with the Kansas City Chiefs. I feel no obligation to cheer him on simply because he said a sweet “goodbye” to me as he ran to the waiting arms of some other team. This is not sour grapes its just holding someone accountable. Athletes need to fulfill their standing obligations before they go do their ring shopping and not resort whining their way out of tough situations.
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Sure...it's called arbitration
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Pioli doesn't seem the type to let someone
out of their contract just because they whine (LJ, Waters). Just to clear up my position though: I agree that Tony seems like he is patronizing Chiefs fans. If the city meant as much to him as he seemed to let on, then how about you stick with it and do the best you can to get to the SB with the Chiefs? He stuck through it with Herm and now how much more of a chance do we have to do something great with Herm gone? He never should’ve left.
Proud resident of Kansas City MO
as far as i can tell
he’s going to honor his contract, only someone else will be obligated to pay him for it. are you saying no one can ASK for a trade? (not like he has the power to trade himself) i don’’t get that line of thought. sometimes circumstances change or don’t go like you were expecting them to. if you started a job and didn’t like where you worked, you would probably look for a different place of employment. your bitterness will get you nowhere
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
no
but i’m also trying to find something to back up your thought that somehow tony gonzales made this trade happen. i know he said last year he’d like to be traded to a contender but i just don’t think pioli is the type of guy who really gives a crap what the player wants while they’re under contract. my point is, you are putting all of this on tg when it was pioli who traded him and i doubt it was because tony said it would be nice to play for a contender. i’m also saying he didn’t break any promises because he will be fulfilling his contract that another team now owns
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Why did he want to leave the cheifs?
In one sentance answer that.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
i'd phrase it more like this
he was willing to leave the chiefs, not necessarily wanting to leave. answer this…who traded him?
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Willing not wanting?
Make no mistake about it…he WANTED out.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
let me clarify what i mean
he didn’t promise he would stay in kansas city. he promised to fulfill his contract, regardless of who owns it
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Actually TG and his Agent got the trade to happen
Read it HERE.
Condon (TG’s agent) preferred the Giants and the Falcons primarily because he represents their quarterbacks, Eli Manning and Matt Ryan. It was thought that a high third-round pick might entice Pioli on draft day.
They came back to Pioli with the ’10 offer and he accepted it. Given, it probably took him 30 seconds since he had to think whether next years pick was acceptable.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Would we have EVER traded him
if he didn’t ask for it??
Are we a better team w/ out him?
NO
"There are two armpits in America. Oakland and New Jersey."- Warren Sapp
by Dustin SLO,CA on Apr 28, 2009 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
they actually
just found teams that were interested. pioli had to still pull the trigger and besides the crux of socal’s argument is that gonzalez somehow broke a promise. he didn’t. he will fulfill the contract as long as the falcon’s don’t cut him
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
just found teams that were interested
So they looked for another employer. TG and his agent to be exact. Per that article, Pioli didn’t actively pursue the trade, he left it in TG and Condon’s hands.
pioli had to still pull the trigger
And I’m sure if TG was the GM as well as a player we would have gotten a lot less just so he could leave. He made the active pursuit.
besides the crux of socal’s argument is that gonzalez somehow broke a promise.
No, the crux is his attitude towards the Chiefs this past season. If he wanted to be professional about this he could have seeked a trade behind closed doors before making statements to the press.
How soon we forget
Oct. 18th 2008
“I know teams offered a third and in the end, Carl made the asking price a second. I’m very disappointed that he didn’t go through with it after he told me he was going to try to make it happen. I’ve been around this league a long time, it’s a business. There’s nothing I can do about it. I was pissed off about it, but I’ll get over it.
Nice TG, nice.
OCt.15th 2008
"I’m not the first guy that’s felt like he’s been wronged around here. Ask Jared Allen. Ask a lot of guys. Ask John Tait," Gonzalez said. "That’s what happens."
Very PC.
"He wasn’t sorry," Gonzalez said. "It’s a sour taste. …..
"But I’m not going to forget about it."
I’m not a Carl fan in the least, but anybody agree that this sounds kind of like crying?
"I don’t know whether or not they were serious. It didn’t — in the end, the way it all went down, and from what I understand, it didn’t sound like it."
Guess we really treated him poorly mid October.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
by THE_TRUTH on Apr 28, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
i didn't forget...
as a matter of fact, i remember tony being upset that his request was taken public. he wasn’t the one who told the media he was asking out. the comments you posted were after his request was made public by carl…which, btw, if you worked for carl peterson, you can’t tell me you wouldn’t feel the same way. most fans are taking a holier than thou approach to this. i’m not saying i like how things went down. here’s what i am saying…tony didn’t trade himself and that he isn’t breaking a promise because he got traded. if he had held out or played like a chump, he would have been breaking promises.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
i remember tony being upset that his request was taken public. he wasn’t the one who told the media he was asking out.
So that makes it “ok” to make the comments to the press that he did? He could’ve taken the higher road (heard from Water’s lately?…nope)
most fans are taking a holier than thou approach to this.
You mean like TG’s attitude wanting a SB ring with another team because he doesn’t believe KC has that capability? That includes mid-way through last season as well as with the new Pioli regime.
That he’d take a trade to a team that (aside from last year with a rookie QB) really hadn’t done much for quite a few years.
What about his “holier than Chiefs” attitude?
I’m a Chiefs fan. If he wins a ring with another team maybe some will feel just as happy as if the Chiefs won a SB. I won’t.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
you are slanting this as though i support tony
i don’t care what he does now that he’s gone and frankly, i hope he never wins a super bowl. but in a league that can cut you at any time and “break a promise” i don’t see why fans jump all over players who ask to be traded. i have no problem with people not wanting to be here. if i don’t like my job, i find a different place to work and i think that’s how nfl players look at it. fans take it as though the player is somehow telling you to piss off or something. i’m willing to bet that as we move forward, players won’t have too many beefs with the direction of the team and therefore want out.
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
another reason i don't have a problem with trading him
is the quote by pioli that you have as your signature truth…it’s not about individuals here anymore
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Oh yes they are....
fans take it as though the player is somehow telling you to piss off or something
Thats exactly what Tony told us. ’ I want a ring and the Chiefs aint gettin’ me one’
At your “job” are you under contract? My guess is no.
You never answered the question I asked you earlier;
What do you think Tony’s reason(s) were for wanting to leave Kansas City?
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
my guess is
tony has grown tired of playing his ass off for a losing organization. now, i believe that will all change and i’m guessing that if he was 28 and not 33, he’d be all for the new direction we’re going. let me ask you a question…how many times have you said we should get rid of a player..either by trade or just releasing them? unless the answer is never..you are being hypocritical because you are in essence telling the team to break their “promise” to the player. i guess it’s like any relationship…you always want to be the one doing the breaking up and not being broken up with
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
You got it in the first sentance
He gave up on us.
Your entire argument is to say we can’t give up him….then you called my argument hypocritical?
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
clearly
you haven’t read any of my posts. did i try convincing anyone to follow the falcons or cheer them on? no. and your argument is hypocritical as long as you cry about tony (or anyone else) wanting to be traded or released and then in the next breath saying who we should cut or trade. you started off saying he broke a promise. he didn’t. you got your feelings hurt because he said he doesn’t want to play for a team that clearly means more to you than it does him. btw, the reason i didn’t answer your question the first time is because i knew you would take my reason and oversimplify it to something like “he gave up on us.”
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
Dude, you have no idea what my post was about, do you?
Look at the title.
I’m just trying to say I’m not going to eat Tony’s “table-scrap” goodbye today and I’m not going to wish him well in Atlanta.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
I am with you. I hope the Falcons lose every game.
Gonzo is dead to me.
by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 28, 2009 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
no need to be condescinding
i understand full well what you are saying. you aren’t buying his good bye and that’s fine. i just take issue with the idea of somehow he broke a promise. it’s cool though. come september, i won’t be thinking about gonzo at all
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
and for the record...
i believe the chiefs will win a super bowl before atlanta does. i expect the atl to go about 6-10 this year
Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.
Harry S. Truman
THE TRUTH
"There are two armpits in America. Oakland and New Jersey."- Warren Sapp
by Dustin SLO,CA on Apr 28, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont see the application...
…everyone involved claims Tony did not actively seek the trade this time…
Chiefs Allowed Tony Gonzalez and Agent to Shop for a Trade
http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2009/4/23/850951/chiefs-allowed-tony-gonzalez-and
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Yes...but that has since been refuted by everyone involved...
Tony was lying today when he spoke then?
I'll take Whitlocks word over TG's in this regards
TG’s past comments to the media don’t give me much confidence in what he says. So I’ll refute it.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Tony has actually been too honest in the past...he would have no reason to deny that now...
…Whitlock is known to create things that cause controversy…
I made my point...I don't believe TG for a second. I think he's made comments in the past to make up for the foot-in-mouth that showed his real side
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Re-Read what you just wrote...
and realize how incredibly ridiculous you just sounded.
by Chief Crazy on Apr 29, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions
If Whitlock was totally incompetent as you "try" to make him sound (and one line doesn't cut it)
You’d realize as a number of folks here have professed that he does write interesting and thought provoking articles on occasion whether you agree with him or not.
I didn’t say I agreed with Whitlock on every point he’s ever written. I said that I agreed with him on his assessment on TG.
If you’re going to counter a point, why don’t you add something actually productive instead of attacking a poster and sounding rediculous and without merit.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I just thought it made no sense to trust Whitlock over Tony G.
Whitlock is constantly reporting half truths and speculation. Constantly stirring up controversy and taking aim at individuals within the organization for what seem to be arbitrary reasons.
I don’t know either one of them personally but watching Tony on and off the field for more than a decade I just get the impression that he’s a more trustworthy source when it comes to his own life/football situation that Whitlock is…considering he’s never been caught lying before and, well, it is his life.
And i apologize if you think i was attacking you, really didn’t mean too. I can assure you it was light hearted in nature.
by Chief Crazy on Apr 29, 2009 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
No problem...perhaps I over-read the comment
My problem with TG is the comments he made this last off-season (which I posted on this thread) don’t fare too well with his positive legacy as a Chief.
I don’t have a problem with his on the field performance, but I don’t think a player is worth more, or deserves more, or is better than the team as a whole. To me he came across that way. Let me explain.
TG made it clear that he wants a ring. I understand in his mind it’s “TG for TG” and perhaps that selfishness made him the TE that he is today breaking all the records which in turn made the Chiefs a better team. However, as a Chiefs fan first and foremost, the condescending attitude comments about “rebuilding” and “not getting his way getting traded”, prove nothing positive in a lockerroom of rookies and as such I don’t look at him in the same light as I did before the Oct. comments he made.
Chiefs come first to me and I could care less about any individuals desires or wants, regardless of their legacy.
He doesn’t want to be a Chief anymore…so be it, I don’t want him to be a Chief either in that case. And I could care less about what he has to say afterwards considering Canton, coming back, the community, etc. It means nothing to me.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
We'll just have to disagree..
Believe me, I know that the Chiefs as an organization is much bigger than Tony G or any other individual or group for that matter. And i didn’t like that fact that he was bitching about not getting traded last year.
But honestly, he was in the middle of the worst couple years in franchise history. Not that he shouldn’t still show up, work his ass off, and perform on the field.
If he was bitching and then giving a half assed effort on the field, and in practice, and in the community. Then I’d really be pissed and probably agree with turning the cold shoulder to one of my favorite football players ever.
But he didn’t do any of those things. In fact he by all accounts worked his ass off (as usual), put up huge numbers on a lousy team(as usual), and even saved a guys life while dining out with his family.:-)
So at the end of the day, I’m a Tony G fan. I’m certainly not an ATL fan. And to me, Tony will always be a Chief.
by Chief Crazy on Apr 29, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
and even saved a guys life while dining out with his family.:-)
I remember that. Tru story: I was at KCI waiting for a Southwest flight to Vegas and he was waiting on a flight to San Diego at the gate next to me.Yeah, TG flying on a “Choose your own seat” flight…go figure.
He kept yapping on the phone before his flight and sitting on the floor leaning against his wall with his head down to keep from getting noticed. No one came up to him…. and I don’t get star struck, so I let him be.
I’ll never attack his work ethic and on the field performance, just the yapping ;-)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
His comments this past offseason...
…while distasteful…and inappropriate as a team leader, were always completely honest…to a fault…
That is the point. Tony may say stupid things but they are true…
Whitlock twists things to sell papers and get people mad…
Tony has been my favorite player since 8th grade
I think his reasoning is bullshit. I’m not going to be a Steeler fan cuz I want my team to win a Super Bowl.
"There are two armpits in America. Oakland and New Jersey."- Warren Sapp
by Dustin SLO,CA on Apr 28, 2009 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point
That’s the reasoning Tony is using.
How hollow would it be if fans did change teams just to “win”.
It will be the same for Tony of he gets a ring. The stigma of how it went down will forever haunt him.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
Like many fans, TG has been one of my favorite Chief's
I understand his desire for a Super Bowl, but I also agree with SoCalChief, THE_TRUTH, and woodman212 that basically Tony has been traded because he cried loud enough and long enough until he got his way.
In the NFL you never know what will happen. But in my mind the odds of Atlanta getting an invitation to the big dance while Gonzalez is playing for them are not that great. So much can happen in a such a short period of time in this professional pigskin pastime that I think KC will have as good a chance as the dirty birds to make it to the SB in the next 3 or 4 years.
There is a good likelihood that when he has hung up his cleats for the last time and he gazes at the setting sun through the tired eyes of a weary warrior, he will have still not tasted of the glory of the final playoff game.
*I’m sorry to see TG go. * I’m glad he will retire and enter the Hall as a Chief. *His desire to leave for perceived greener pastures only confirms but he is human and in the end was less of a team player than we hoped.
....and as long as we condone this as fans
players will continue to do it.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
The fact that you have a child is disturbing to me
You say you loved Tony Gonzalez as if you and him had some sort of personal relationship, you sound like one of those deranged stockers that break into a celebrities house. Dude get a life, TG is a great TE and seems to be a stand up guy. I am and always will be a chiefs fan and it sucks that he isn’t here any longer, but you can’t hate the man or be mad at him for being tired of giving his best and being the greatest but never getting even a playoff win. At the end of the day this is a job for TG he might love his job but its a job, and if your with a company and year after year, you feel like you don’t get anything accomplished and theres nothing left for you to do with a company then its time to move on. Look at Neil Smith no ones hating on him for going to Denver and im sure hes happy with his two rings, and he is still a huge part of KC. So quit being a freak, and start being a role model to your children instead of acting like one!
This from a guy who calls himself Thigpenis!
by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 28, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
"Thigpenis" just told me to be a role a better model.
You’re the second one I’ve heard compare playing in the NFL to being a “job”. I just don’t look at it that way.
By your comment I take it you are OK with athletes whining their way out of a contract? As long as they played hard for a while first, right? I’m supposed to be excited about him pissing on us and chasing a ring because he played so well in the past?
By the way, what part(s) of the post indicate my being a bad father and a stalker?
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
Your taking things a little personal
I never said you were a bad father, for all I know your a great father, I said be a role model because whining to a 12 year old girl about your favorite football player is not being a role model thats being a big baby. bet if you met TG you would shake his hand, kiss his ass, and tell him he is the greatest TE ever, and you were sad to see him go, not once would you say, Tony your a real ass for leaving the chiefs, but somehow its okay to say to tell a child , that probably looks up to you that. Filling her little head with your self absorbed crap, TG didn’t ask for a trade to piss of SoCcalChief, he did it cause he thought it would better his life, and his family, and maybe it was a little selfish, but the only difference between TG and you is he has natural good given talent to catch a football. He doesn’t have to be a role model, even though he is to many, he doesn’t have to be nice even though he is. It’s people like you that piss me off. I love the game of football, I love to watch it and play it, but I don’t look up to athletes players as role models., I admire their ability but it ends at that I also said you sound like a stalker by the way you talk about a sports figures, and express your love for him, and how you feel he owes you something. The reason TG is so ingrained in KC is because he wanted to be, he says he loves this city, and I believe him. I honestly don’t think it’s fair to say TG whined out of his contract he was pissed and asked to be traded, they said no and he played a pro bowl year, you would say its fair for the Chiefs to ask for a trade but not Tony. Then in the post season he was ambigious about being traded, he never did a TO move and made a big stink, and made an ass out of him self. Was it the best way to leave probably not, but I still respect him as human being. You are right he did sign a contract, but maybe he was tired of how things were going, maybe he didn’t realize how old he was getting until that time, I dont know but at the same time I don’t hate the man for that. I think he was pretty damn pro about the whole situation. I know if he wasn’t traded he would have played his ass off for us.
I am going to have to completely disagree with you SoCal
Tony Gonzales can not be held to fulfill the terms of his contract to the Chiefs by any more stringent rules than the Chiefs should have to follow in retaining him.
If a team is allowed to trade/cut/release a player that has a contract signed by the Chiefs, then the player should be able to request a trade or request a negotiation any time they want.
Players request more money/trades when they don’t think they are getting paid what they are worth. Teams cut /trade/release players and terminate any remaining years of their contract if they don’t think they are getting what they are paying for.
I’m all for forcing a player to adhere to the complete terms of the contract they sign. All too often we see a player sign a 5 year deal and then 2 years into it they hold out and pout like a baby for more money or cry for a trade because they don’t like how they are being used by the team. It’s horseshit; If you signed the deal then you should hold up your end of the bargain. It’s not like they agree to give back all the up front bonus money they agreed to when they agreed to the contract. They want the trade AND they want to keep all the signing bonus too.
However, it’s a 2 way street. If the owners/fans are going to expect the players to live up to every last day of the contract they signed without complaint then the teams are going to have to agree to do the same thing. No player, no matter how little they produce, can be allowed to just be cut from the team and have their contract tossed in the trash. There should not be any time in which $$$ is left on the table. The player agreed to the terms of the contract (in terms of years playing for a team) based on the total amount of money the contract is worth. That includes signing bonues, salary, and structured bonuses.
When the teams are willing to guarentee 100% of every dollar in every contract then they can expect the players to fulfill 100% of every term of the contract. But as long as one side is allowed to manipulate the system the other side should be afforded the same rights.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
+1
I’m glad you wrote this, I was too tired/intoxicated to do the same.
I agree. If this were baseball, with guaranteed contracts, you would have a valid point, in football with the current CBA, the nature of players’ non-guaranteed contracts mean that they should be given a lot more leeway to request trades, and try and renegotiate. Teams have the right to ignore these requests, but it is unfair to unilaterally feel that players should hold up their end of contracts, and then be ok with teams cutting and trading players.
Ok, that probably wasn’t coherent. G’night.
I used the "contract" idea metaphorically
Perhaps it was not the best metaphor. I was trying to tie a player to his decision to play for a team for a certain length of time. Let me make a few more points;
There is an expectation when a player signs with a team that if he does not perform he may/will be cut and the guaranteed money is paid out if it does happen, the team has fulfilled its contractual obligation. When a player holds out no performance has been given, he is not fulfilling his contractual obligation. When a player is vocal about his dissatisfaction at playing for the team it poisons the rest of the team and denigrates the performance of others. Performance incentives being guaranteed as it relates to being cut is a self defeating proposition.
If Tony was unhappy with his contract amount, guaranteed money, incentives, etc. I would not have a problem with it. None of this was a problem for Tony as I understand it, he is simply quitting the team. Then he says he wants to come back in a few years to retire a Chief? How is that supposed to make it alright?
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
Ok
Even if you take out the monetary aspect of the contract, if you think it is ok for a team to trade its player any time it chooses, even though they have signed the same contract that commits to employ the player for a certain length of time, then by the same token, how does it make it worse for the player to request a trade? A team doesn’t have to grant this request. And it was clear from him performance at the end of last year, that when TG didn’t get his wish then, he played continued to play hard.
For your 2nd paragraph, a team has the ability to cut any player at any given time, even if the player has performed well. So there is no ‘expectation’ that if a player plays well, they will not be cut.
I’m not saying TG is without fault, I will say that his performance was never less than 100% on the field. Whether we were good or bad, and often it was the latter, the guy left it all out there. I can remember him limping back on the field towards the end of a Broncos game that we were getting beat in, and still giving it everything he had.
When he signed his contract, he probably was thinking that we would be competitive within a couple years, now, 2 years into his deal, a new regime has taken over, is installing new schemes, and likely is a couple more years away from contention. He probably feels his only chance to win a title is to move on.
I hope he’s completely wrong, I hope the Falcons go 0-16, at least next year, and that draft pick we acquired becomes the #33 overall pick…but I’m not holding any grudges. If Pioli wanted him here, he’d be here. Waters is a prime example.
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this thread is deep. dont want to say how i became a chiefs fan lol. I’m Tony G fan, and honestly its cool that he wants to purue other GOALS, nothing wrong with it imo. sux its not as a chief but oh well. I hope he does achieve his goals, he deserves it, he’s busted his ass for 12 years.
oh i became a chief’s fan cuz of Joe Montana. I now dislike the niners cuz they screwed Montana.
Proud Supporter of Tyler Thigpen.
Here's a thought...
Tony doesn’t owe us anything more than he’s given over the last 12 years, just like we don’t owe him anymore than we’ve given.
And like it or not, football is these peoples’ jobs.
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