I can't believe I'm about to do this...
I'm about to defend Al Davis. Maybe in a strange roundabout way I feel like I'm defending KC's pick of Jackson at 3... or maybe I just believe that nobody really has a right to criticize a draft until we see what comes of it. In any case I was compelled to do so and have gone too far to turn back now.
This started as a comment on another post and got out of hand... hope you brought your reading glasses and some patience... and perhaps a caffeinated beverage.
As for Heyward-Bey, consider our situation with Jackson. We took him at 3 and probably could have traded down and taken him a little later... if there were takers.
JT The Brick (who is a huge Raiders homer mind you) said the Raiders were very high on DHB and weren't interested in Crabtree... actually never were. They were in love with Heyward-Bey. They knew the Giants were interested in grabbing him in the late 1st, and even heard that they considered moving up to 18 (Denver through the Cutler trade) to take him. Whether that is true or not is up for debate. Could the Raiders have traded down and got him? Probably. But maybe there weren't any trade takers (like with us). The only teams that traded in to the top 18 were the Jets to get Sanchez, and the Bucs who took Freeman. Everyone else stood. The Trade to grab Sanchez was over with and nobody else really needed or wanted that #7 pick Oakland had. With Sanchez off the board the leverage was gone. If the Raiders slept on him he would have been gone before next round anyway. Heyward-Bey was not worth a #7 pick to you and me, but to the Raiders he was. The consensus was the guy was 1st round talent, just not top 10 talent. Four words - eye of the beholder. To many, Jackson was not worth a #3 but we took him because he fit our system and I don't hear anybody bitching about that.
As for their 2nd round pick (47 overall), it was rumored (again through The Brick) that the Bears had designs on Mike Mitchell with the 49th pick until the Raiders snagged him at 47. If the Bears had snatched him at 49, I bet we would be looking at that pick differently - because the Bears supposedly know good D when they see it (and have a track record to prove it). Notice also that the Bears traded that 49th pick to Seattle for a 3rd and 4th round pick after Mitchell was taken. Did they do this because the Raiders took him at 47? Beats the piss out of me, and that's aims at another point. I have no idea what any other team thought about this guy or where they had him on the board. The media doesn't know who's where on what board, if they did then they would have known that this douche was on the Raiders board in the 2nd round and maybe he would have had some pre-draft attention. We only know what we're allowed to know - and for some reason I love that about football, but that's for another discussion.
Just to lobby once more for the suggestion that Al Davis isn't totally batshit (just mostly) - McShay threw a bone to Davis pointing out that he wanted to take Marques Colston in the 3rd round in '06 but didn't get his way... it can be caught at the end of McShay's AFC breakdown here. If he took Colston in the 3rd people would have popped him for that too.
So the draft guru's didn't have these guys slotted where they went, but what the hell do they know? The most accurate mock draft of the big name gurus was Mayock's, and he hit 10 of 32... whoopty doo!
Listen, I hope both of these guys are huge busts. I think the picks were stupid. I will always root against anything and everything Raiders related. I have no love for the Raiders. But we really don't know... and won't know how stupid these picks are for a while. Anything is possible in this league - think of all the late round and UDFA players that end up becoming stars - if someone had reached and picked them on day 1 they would have been criticized too.
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OOooHhh....NO You Didn't!
First off I like to say I know where your coming from, and can see where your point has some validity to it, BUT then I take into consideration who you use as an example then am forced to say,
Shame on you talk about CRazy Al, and make him sound like he knows what he’s doing, or make his decisions as being well thought out and calculated!
acquired from Atlanta before this season, the Raiders are washing their hands of a seven-year, $72 million contract after only eight games.
“I’ve never been in a situation where you cut one of the best players,” said safety Gibril Wilson, another of the team’s offseason acquisitions. “That’s strange to me. It’s almost like we’re throwing in the towel.”
Hall was paid $8 million for eight games; he received a $7 million signing bonus and a $1 million base salary. Because he’s a vested veteran, his $1 million salary is guaranteed. Atlanta received second- and fifth-round draft picks in the trade with Oakland
With all that money being thrown out the window I realized that….it was Davis that single handily put us all into a recession. Kind of like the Japanese businessmen destroying their financial institutions with their faulty investments.
Last year, the Raiders made a huge splash by signing former Giants safety Gibril Wilson and former Broncos receiver Javon Walker, as well as trading for Falcons cornerback DeAngelo Hall.
The Raiders released Hall midway through the season. They tossed Wilson overboard on Friday. And now they appear ready to part ways with Walker.
Oy.
(Which is a shorter way of saying Al Davis is cuckoo.)
Jackson who is not a flashy pick at #3, only because his sack numbers were not extraordinary. Jackson also possess what the other propects did not which is his huge stature, the boy is 6-4 295lbs. Curry was only 6-1, and I really don’t care about us picking OL so ahh…. :) I wanted Def. all the way with our first pick. Jackson was also rated as the best pure Defensive End in this years draft.
Jackson IMHO is a safer selection over DHB who is considered by many scouts as a boom/bust prospect. Also, there were two other recievers who were rated higher than DHB. Why would you take a player with that amount of risk in the 7th slot? Al Davis has always….always been infatuated with pure unadulterated speed that sometimes he overlooks the other intangibles. Maclin had speed and was more polished as a reciever, but DHB had spinters speed.
This is what their saying in Oakland about the pick:
The draft is a crap-shoot, and it’s hard to find out other team’s intentions. So you can see the Raiders approach in taking Heyward-Bey at no. seven. The possibility of trading down and then having another club take the player you covet is a risk. But with Crabtree going to San Francisco at 10, and Maclin going 19 to Philadelphia, it would have been profitable and realistic for the Silver & Black to move down below their seventh slot and still take their target. With the economy influencing personnel decisions since the start of the off-season, it would have been economical for the Raiders to make this move. The only question remains is whether or not any teams would have been interested in moving up?
PROS: Speed and big play potential. Gives the Raiders a receiver that can chase down bombs from Russell.
CONS: Very raw, not a precise route runner and still needs a lot of polishing to become a number one go to target in the NFL. And when you take a receiver with the seventh overall pick, he better become a top flight pass catcher.
I like the Tyson Jackson pick, and if he does turn out to be as good as Seymour I won’t be afraid of saying that, I have a man crush on our Pioli boy!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 28, 2009 6:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
I absolutely agree that Jackson is a safer/better pick than DHB.
I was more defending the fact that they picked “they guy they wanted” even though it was a reach as far as where he was taken. It just may happen that the guy they wanted wasn’t someone anyone else wanted or would have picked at that slot. DHB would have gone in the 1st, just not that high. The same could be said for Jackson.
Now we just need to see how it all plays out on the field.
by Ochophosphate on Apr 28, 2009 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll Say This For Crazy Al
I think he made the right pick with Heyward-Bey. I honestly believe that he will end up being the best WR in the draft. He might need to go to another team to make that happen (because Oakland kills WRs), but I think he was a good selection by Davis and I would have laughed my ass off if he’d grabbed Crabtree. But he didn’t, I think he made a smart move in the first. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
I think the Mitchell pick was laughable, though. I don’t care if the Bears were interested in him, the Bears’ track record is extremely spotty with draft picks and all that tells me is that two teams would have made a mistake on the guy. He got drafted based off his 40 time and there’s little to no tape on him as a player, nor did he really produce much. Classic workout wonder that got drafted five rounds too early, and typical Raiders pick.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 28, 2009 6:40 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you about Heyward-Bey
any guy that is 6’2" and over 200 lbs. but still runs a 4.3 40-yard dash has the opportunity to be succeed in the NFL…as long as he works on routes and gets a QB, I think Heyward-Bey could be good.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 28, 2009 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bey playes like he was...
The inspiration for the character “stonehands” in Unnecessary Roughness
He’s not the best receiver in the draft. It’s kind of important that a receiver be able to catch last time I checked.
It doesn’t matter if he jams a rocket up his ass and has a 25 yard cushion on the defender, he still can’t catch the ball.
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 28, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need TP for my stone hands...
Maybe if they convince him that the ball is really a soft double-roll of Charmin…
by GSpaulding on Apr 28, 2009 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey you were eerily quiet during the draft day threads?
There’s a guy over at SBN’s “Silver & Black Pride” Hmmm…I wonder why that blog title sounds familiar? Oh …..the pride part….geez Oak….can’t you guys be a little original? Why you gotta always rip idea’s from the Chiefs? I guess we always have to be the leaders while others are destined to follow ;-)
Anyways….got side tracked a bit…..there’s a dude over there at S&B pride that’s got your old profile image. The dude with the black pointed hat with the ADORABLE PINK ROSY CHEEKS. Remember him? :)
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 28, 2009 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Had Friends Over For The Draft Day
And being a good host, it really wasn’t proper to ignore them to go a’bloggin’. :)
I’ll probably be eerily quiet for awhile longer too…swamped with work right now. But I’ll be back when something important pops up. I just think it’ll be awhile before that happens.
By the way, I think now is the time we’re shopping LJ and I’ll bet the Texans will be the team we’ll shop him to. Kubiak said he wanted a power back to complement Steve Slaton and they didn’t draft one this year.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 28, 2009 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For UC
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The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that didnt work -- delete that please
The Powers Of Astute Observation Are Often Mistaken As Cynacism By Those That Do Not Posses Them -- G.B. Shaw
by Texas Chief on Apr 28, 2009 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you can't dominate the ACC
Then why could he dominate the NFL? I don’t get it.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 28, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus isn't crabtree a huge chiefs fan?
maybe he made that abundantly clear to the raiders and they didn’t want to bother dealing with it.
but what it comes down to is that DHB and Crabtree are different types of receivers and we all know that Al loves the deep ball so it makes sense that he would pick a track star to race down field and catch one of those 70 yard bombs that Russell threw from his knees. I think it’s a stupid offense to try and run but DHB does fit the mold which makes the pick at least a rational one even if it’s not an intelligent one.
by airfly on Apr 28, 2009 7:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
who likes marching down the field 11 yards at a time with a reliable possession receiver?
=)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 28, 2009 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude all I have to say good luck catching
rocket balls from a qb who has no offensive line at all. Al davis has once again is collecting good talent only to have them die in his bone yard stadium where good players die.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 28, 2009 10:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who's NOT da' man?
DHB’s only 100 yard game lst year was against none other than Aaron Curry’s Wake Forrest, ironic, isn’t it?
I’m not trying to say anyhting more than this; I believe at least one of these two is over-rated, I guess we’ll find out which one.
just keep matriculating the ball down the field !
by SoCalChief on Apr 28, 2009 4:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Raider's were in a superbowl 6 years ago and one tuck rule away from another
I gotta give it to Al Davis, the guy has a serious set of balls to draft a saftey that ESPN doesnt even have game tape on in the 2nd round. It just kind of reminds me of John Stallworth getting drafted in the 5th round by the Steelers who withheld his game tape from other teams.
by DBOWESHOW on Apr 28, 2009 10:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs





















