Experts Grade the Chiefs in 2009 NFL Draft
by Joel Thorman on Apr 27, 2009 8:35 AM CDT
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| Pick | Player | Pos | Ht | Wt | College | Approval Rating |
| Round 1 Pick 3 (3) | Tyson Jackson | DE | 6'4" | 295 | LSU | 40% |
| Round 2 Pick 2 (34) | Traded to NE for Cassel/Vrabel | |||||
| Round 3 Pick 3 (67) | Alex Magee | T | 6'3" | 298 | Purdue | 35% |
| Round 4 Pick 2 (102) | Donald Washington | CB | 6'0" | 197 | Ohio State | 23% |
| Round 5 Pick 3 (139) | Colin Brown | OL | 6'7" | 335 | Missouri | 44% |
| Round 6 Pick 2 (175) | Quinten Lawrence | WR/KR | 6'0" | 184 | McNeese State | 71% |
| Round 7 Pick 3 (212) | Javarris Williams | RB | 5'10" | 223 | Tennessee State | 62% |
| Round 7 Pick 28 (237) | Jake O'Connell | TE | 6'4" | 255 | Miami (OHIO) | 33% |
| Round 7 Pick 47 (256) | Ryan Succop | K | 6'2" | 218 | South Carolina | 50% |
I do not like grading draft classes the day after it happens. Heck, I don't even like grading them two years after they're complete. The NFL has far too many players that take multiple years to develop. Looking over history, it's rare for a wide receiver or a defensive tackle to contribute immediately yet we continue to grade these draft classes the day after the trade.
I'm not going to participate in the grading. I've always gone with the rule that you can't judge a class until you're three years out. And I'm going to stick with that.
That said, here are how the experts are grading the Chiefs.
Randy Covitz, Kansas City Star - C+
The new regime is trying to undo all the mistakes the franchise has made in the defensive line during the last seven seasons. Jackson and Magee fit the mold of big, strong New England-type defensive linemen. Don’t forget QB Matt Cassel and LB Mike Vrabel represent the second-round pick.
I didn't like the pick of Jackson with the third overall pick. But they did get a quarterback in Matt Cassel with their second-round pick.
Needing all kinds of help for a lousy defense, they reached a bit for DE Tyson Jackson, but he's the best 5 technique available and a perfect fit for their 3-4 scheme. Went back for more DE help at 67 for Alex Magee, who could be a DE-DT "tweener" and seems better-suited to playing a 3 technique in a 4-3. Got good value at 102 with CB Donald Washington.
Jerry Magee, San Diego Tribune - C
On the first round's choice No. 3, Mark Sanchez was still there. Several teams were absolutely frothing at the mouth for Sanchez. By conducting an auction, the Missourians likely would have been enormously enriched. They chose another course, going for DE Tyson Jackson.
Bottom Line: No edge pass rusher, no real replacement for Tony Gonzalez, and no significant additions to a shaky offensive line.
Bypassed sureshot LB Aaron Curry for DE Tyson Jackson. He'll fit well in Chiefs' 3-4 but he's not much of a pass-rusher and the Chiefs lacked painfully in that department last year after trading Jared Allen. Jackson seems sound but not spectacular as the third overall choice. DT Alex Magee could get snaps in sub package, not a true NT or physical presence. CB Donald Washington was almost a washout at Ohio State and a surprise choice this high (fourth round).
C to C+ seems to be the consensus although Prisco ripped the Tyson Jackson pick and gave it a D.
Overall, I would have to say I'm content with the Chiefs draft. I'm not bouncing out of my chair excited but I'm not about to jump off Arrowhead Stadium for fear that the Chiefs won't win again. This seems a lot like the Patriots drafts in that you plug key holes with lesser known prospects.
Let's get used to this type of draft. This is just the way it's going to be. We will stockpile picks and continue to select the Alex Magee's and Donald Washington's of the world.
Show us any more grades you find in the comments and I'll continue to post them after the jump.
MORE GRADES
New Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli turned his first three picks into key foundation players with the selections of Jackson, Magee and by trading for Cassel at the start of free agency. One thing Pioli learned well from New England’s Belichick is to use your top picks on talented big men like Jackson, who is a carbon copy of Richard Seymour (the No. 6 overall pick in the 2001 draft) and then build around those guys. Add Jackson and Magee to Glenn Dorsey from the 2008 draft and suddenly you have the makings of a monster line. Get a few linebackers to go with it and the Chiefs stand to have a terrific defense by 2010.
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Its starting to bother me that
Everyone makes the statement that we needed a pass rusher due to the lack of sacks last year. But they forget that in a 3-4, pressuring the QB often comes from the OLB not the DE. Steelers anyone?
Great 3rd pick!
by ChiTownChiefs on Apr 27, 2009 8:41 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
But we didn't add a pass rush OLB
We have not added a player that gets after the QB to this point. Other than a possible UDFA LB. Just because the sacks come from a different possition doesn’t mean that just by changing the alignment we are suddenly going to double our sacks. The guys we had last year didn’t get it done and we didn’t add anyone with that ablility.
by tevans96 on Apr 27, 2009 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think 'everyone'
Realizes that our OLB’s right now are Vrabel, Hali, Johnston and McBride.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
DJ couldl probably play Outside, if needed........
by Jclawd on Apr 27, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he will
I think DJ is going to be at Will, so he can use his strengths for a freakin’ change.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a 4-3 Under
Will is more of like an inside guy…
And yeah, I think he’ll be there as well.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Prisco hates your draft, you probably did a good job.
I feel good about things now.
by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
More Grades
Kiper: C-
McShay doesn’t do grades (which is wise) but said: “Obviously, the best player will be Tyson Jackson, but it’s hard to stamp the third-overall pick as the best. Magee provided better value, but Jackson should fit perfectly as a 5-technique in the Chiefs’ 3-4 defense. Still, by no means do I think he’s the next Richard Seymour, as he was touted in the days leading up to the draft. Magee has typically been better on the move, but he has the size, quickness and power to develop into a contributor on the defensive front. He has a quick first step and will help as an interior pass-rusher on certain downs. Washington, however, was nothing more than a height/weight/speed pick who excelled at the combine but has never come close to reaching his potential in college. OT Colin Brown has some upside, but I’m not sure he’ll ever develop into a good starter and there were better linemen on the board when K.C. drafted Brown. It was an uninspiring first draft for Scott Pioli, and I’m sure Chiefs fans expected more.”
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:10 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
McShay
He basically summed up how I feel about our draft.
And this line especially is what scares me about Jackson:
Still, by no means do I think he’s the next Richard Seymour, as he was touted in the days leading up to the draft.
Lets hope Pioli saw something everyone else missed here. but if we just got an average blocker absorbing end we are in trouble. And my biggest concern is our Defensive coaches, they do not inspire a lot of confidence from past performance.
by tevans96 on Apr 27, 2009 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I think Pioli is better at evaluating talent than McShay, so the Richard Seymour comment doesn’t bother me at all
And this:
Washington, however, was nothing more than a height/weight/speed pick who excelled at the combine but has never come close to reaching his potential in college.
is EXACTLY the type of guy you pick in Round 4 Low Risk, Huge potential reward
- Pioli was considering trading back into Round 3 to get Washington, so he apparently sees something he likes.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
Pioli > McShay. Let’s get that out of the way. However, if you look at, literally every top 100 list out there, no matter who you choose to like, Jackson was not considered a top 5 talent, really not a top 10 talent.
So what you’re really saying is Pioli knew something that no one else knew. I hope you’re right, I just don’t think its that likely. That’s also not to say Jackson won’t be a solid player, maybe just not a spectacular one, and picking #3 and paying $30 million guaranteed, I’d have liked a great player.
Also, the argument that ‘Pioli knows more than X’ or the guys that just ramble ‘Pioli I trust, Pioli I trust…’ ok great…but what you’re really saying is you don’t have an opinion, and you’re just going to rubber stamp any move he makes. I’m not really directing that just at you PV, I know you have opinions, but that seems to be the favorite line that the defenders of this draft will use.
I loved the Pioli hiring, and I’m not giving up on it by any means, but I am a lot more nervous after this weekend. Still on board, but nervous.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you’re really saying is Pioli knew something that no one else knew.
Pioli knew something no one in the MEDIA knew. Not necessarily something no other GM knew.
I don’t for sure subscribe to the “In Pioli We Trust” motto, but I’m definitely in the wait and see camp. I honestly have no sweet clue if these guys will come together or not. Pioli’s history has shown he/Belichek/Dimitroff are pretty good at selecting D-lineman, with a very low bust rate.
They’ve also been pretty good with DB’s and O-Lineman.
They’ve been mediocre-to-absolutely terrible at drafting LB’s, WR’s, and TE’s.
So when I see DE, DE, CB as the 1st 3 picks, I’m fairly encouraged.
by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what you’re really saying is Pioli knew something that no one else knew. I hope you’re right, I just don’t think its that likely.
I think it’s very likely – look at the other team he built over the last 8 years.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I hope so
And I hope it was him and not mostly BB. Again, I’m still on board, completely.
I also watched BB wheel and deal in this draft like a maestro, and if it didn’t give you pause…well, we’ll just have to differ.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belicheck's got the foundation laid though.
That will hopefully be the case in a few years where the Chiefs can keep investing in the future.
by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, we had NOTHING with which to bargain
Pioli tried to trade down at least once, and traded up once.
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You have a good point
About thier draft history and strengths and weaknesses.
I’m not in the camp that thinks guys that do this for a living like McShay, Mayock are idiots. I’m not saying I think they know more than Pioli, but I imagine that come draft day, thier ‘boards’ are fairly similar to an average board if you picked it out of the hat of one of the 32 teams.
That said, there are 32 boards out there, and we know that they are very different. Apparently, Freeman was the #1 QB on multiple NFL teams’ boards. That fact baffles me. I’ve watched him play plenty, and if its true, then there are a couple teams’ that I would think would be improved by hiring some of these guys.
Its a fallacy to think that every NFL scout is better than every ‘draft expert.’ In large part, yes, thats very true, but both get players wrong all the time.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the problem is that there is a difference in objectives between an NFL team scout and a media analyst.
McShay, Kiper and Mayock are paid to be the public’s talent evaluators, but they’re also paid to declare winners and losers and agree and disagree with teams and picks.
It’s not interesting for ESPN, is McShay and Kiper say “talented guy, should be effective, we’ll know in 5 years” for every pick.
Alternatively, Pioli and his counterparts aren’t drafting to get a good draft grade, or a “hot value pick”. They’re trying to find players who will fill roles in their overall team strategy.
by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forget about the grades
Those are ridiculous. All of them.
I’m more talking about their pre-draft evaluation. Not even so much thier mock. Mock’s are based on the info they can get from teams, I’m talking about thier evaluation of talent.
I don’t think those are done with an eye for ‘how can we make this interesting tv.’
In those evaluations, Jackson wasn’t a top 10 talent. At least not that I saw.
I think if you’re trying to argue for the Jackson pick, the argument to make is, it addressed the biggest need, and they simply couldn’t trade out of the pick. I imagine they tried desperately but couldn’t move down.
Jackson does fill the biggest need on the team, I won’t argue that, I am upset that we didn’t address that need with Canty or Olshansky for a far cheaper price, which would have given us the ability to go more BPA, likely Curry, Monroe or A. Smith.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think in Pioli's mind
we did go BPA
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll never hear him say otherwise
So its hard to argue with you, if its the case, he literally may have been the only person following the draft that felt that way.
I hope your devotion to the man is accurate, and he does know something no one else knew.
I hope he is a reincarnation of Seymore. I’m just not counting on it.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I do think Jackson could be considered the BPA
When you consider his talent and the importance of the position.
And you’re right regarding the media analysts. They important thing to take from them is their evaluations and their Big Boards regardless of position. Mocks are fun but useless and post draft evaluations are useless.
The thing that makes their evaluations less (or maybe in a way more) credible is that they’re not evaluating for a team or team strategy.
I think my responses are getting a little convoluted because I’m trying to do this and work at the same time, and also I’m not jumping for joy about Jackson, I can just see the value in the pick.
by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also have to consider
that the media analysts don’t have the luxury of bringing in a prospect and meeting directly with him and privately working him out like the team personnel guys do. By virtue of that alone, GM’s and scouts have more information on a player than the media guys do. If a team is looking for something specific, there’s no way for the media to tell what that is and who is going to fit the bill. This is exactly why I think that all of the media “draft experts” are a bunch of D-bags. The bottom line is that only time will tell.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Apr 27, 2009 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did Pioli ever say he was the next Richard Seymour?
or was that the press saying that he was the next Richard Seymour.
Beat the Donkeys!!
by schraggyj on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Pioli said it
But the press ran with the idea, because he’d have to be the next Seymour for this pick to make sense.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at Tyson Jacksons highlights
on yahoo sports, the guy had at least two sacks of Tebow. I thought that guy did not get sacked that often, so to me thats a positive on him.
Now it is just a wait to see how things play out this year. I am certainly excited!
by dragon6172 on Apr 27, 2009 9:23 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok
One of those sacks Tebow ran around forever before Jackson got there, and that was the play they kept showing over and over. It shows his hustle but not much about his talent.
by tevans96 on Apr 27, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he sacked him twice
And it was in the last two years, then that was 25% of his sack total. So yeah, I hoped those highlights looked really good.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Called Experts
These so called experts were sure we would take Curry. To me their opinion means nothing. The only opinions that matter are the Chiefs management and coaches. They took the players they thought would fit their system. So how can these so called experts (some of them never even played football) grade our draft. The grade will come in down the road.
by Jimgem on Apr 27, 2009 9:27 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Not having played
I dislike that argument because seveal good coaches and scouts never played the game. Just becaus you didn’t play the game doesn’t mean you don’t know what you are talking about or how to evaluate talent. Lots of guys that played the game know less about evaluating players and systems than the guys that do that for a living.
When did Pioli ever play football?
by tevans96 on Apr 27, 2009 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pioli played offensive line in college
But I still tend to agree with you. Watching tape is watching tape in my mind.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 27, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what you're saying is
they graded the Chiefs low because they made their predictions look bad.
Blame my wife!
Waiting until August!
by sir eccles on Apr 27, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
But this is the wrong argument to make, go look up Haley’s resume.
I don’t think playing is the most important thing, at all, but you don’t want to use that argument to back our GM/HC we probably have some of the least experienced in terms of snaps college and beyond of anyone. And I’m fine with that.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As I stated above
Media “draft experts” don’t have the same advantages that the coaches and personnel guys do. They don’t get to see players in practice and in games from the perspective that team officials do so they don’t know what the real needs are for a team. They also don’t have the luxury of flying a draft prospect in and spending a day or two interviewing and working them out to see if they’re that ideal fit. You have to keep in mind that the media guys, while they get paid to study film and what not, are still looking at the big picture from an outsider’s perspective. You should never expect that they know more than the team does. Except maybe for when considering whatever Al Davis does. :)
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by Buck'O on Apr 27, 2009 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rookie Free Agents
There going out and picking up these guys that play DE/OLB, last time I checked there’s a guy in there own back yard. Does anyone else remember Ian Campbell’s Junior year. Just so we know I am a Missouri fan. I just remember him terrorizing the Big 12.
by Russell-N-Kentucky on Apr 27, 2009 9:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate these draft grades 24 hours after the draft.
We won’t know for a couple of years if this was a good draft or not — you know, after the picks have actually played some games. Also, last year these same idiots were drooling over our draft.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
by Rev. Slappy on Apr 27, 2009 9:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I mostly agree If you would have told me tyson jackson was our pick
I would have punched you in the face. I really think tyson was a reach a big reach . I hope it all works out I much rather us taken a tackle to replace sachintosh to protect cassel but fuck it im down . I know this jackson pick might set us back a couple years . Just because we are going to have to now get better d line help and o line help and maybe more line backers once our old linebackers retire
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 27, 2009 9:54 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope it all works out I much rather us taken a tackle to replace sachintosh to protect cassel but fuck it im down .
We did take a tackle to replace Sackintosh
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really are drinking the koolaid
I hope you’re right. I see nothing other than the kids size to make me think he can be an NFL RT road grader. He is one big SOB.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colin Brown?
Herb Taylor? Barry Richardson?
I’m not knocking the pick just saying we shouldn’t get our hopes up on guys drafted that late.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 27, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I meant to look, and will, but I don’t think NE has a starter drafted later than round 4.
Most in rounds 1 and 2.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Their 5 starting Offensive lineman in 2008
Kaczur – Round 3
Neal – Undrafted
Koppen – Round 5
Mankins – Round 1
Light – Round 2
They have 2 starters from later than round 4
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stand corrected
Although the 3 most important postions, LT, RT and LG came in rounds 2, 1 and 3, respectively.
Hey, if he found our RT in the 5th round, when most had him as a 7th rounder, great…I watched a lot of Mizzou football, and I wouldn’t have guessed that an NFL RT would come out of a line that rarely ran the ball.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor and Richardson
are VERY young… Richardson was known to be a project, so how could anyone knock him for not playing in his ROOKIE year??
Both of these guys COULD still pan out, as early as this year… Brown is likely a project for next year or the year after.
by stagdsp on Apr 27, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From what I've seen on the field
I think Herb Taylor has an outside chance.
Truth is, if even one of Taylor, Richardson and Brown pan out and are legit NFL starters, that’d be tremendous value out of the low draft picks that were invested in them.
by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Taylor, Richardson, Brown...
Like he said if any of them pan out then great, they are all low rounders anyway and didnt cost us a whole lot…
by kcchiefsfan on Apr 28, 2009 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am glad to see
the (in Pioli I trust) is not being said as much now. I know Pioli is from NE and will do a lot like NE does but we are KC Chiefs fans. We should have our own saying not take NE fans saying. Just my opinion. Stand Up and be a proud Chief not a AFC west NE clone.
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 27, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be proud if the Chiefs became an AFC West NE clone
I’ll take 3 Super Bowl wins in the next 4 years =)
Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.
by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you would have read the whole post
you would see I’m not talking about our playing I was talking about, all the people that are saying (in Pioli I trust) taking that from the NE fans. Lets be Kc fans. Next time read before you reply.
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 27, 2009 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
In pioli the kc gm we trust.;)
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 27, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
'trust' is too new englandy
what else you got?
by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about
PIOLI PRIDE !!!!!!!!!!!
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 27, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is hot you could use it .
Bob : Damn the chiefs had a horrible draft Tyson Jackson?? Tyson Jackson ???
Sexassassin : Bro have some PIOLI PRIDE FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 27, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hOT =HOW
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 27, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
Now i just hope when the season starts he shows us he deserves it.
by bringbacktheglory on Apr 27, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
new england has really proved to me that even without pioli
there they are still wheeling and dealing . They have set themselfs up for next years draft and they had hell of a draft this year. I hope we have that problem to just collecting talent for years and picks a head of time. And i know we have that second rounder next year that is a good start.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 27, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
who cares about what Kiper thinks!
Everyone thought that Dorsey was the best player last year. What did we learn? This guy will probably struggle this first year.
by TerribleTerry on Apr 27, 2009 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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