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Presenting the 2009 Kansas City Chiefs Draft Class

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DE Tyson Jackson DL Alex Magee CB Donald Washington
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OT Colin Brown WR/KR Quinten Lawrence RB Javarris Williams

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TE Jake O'Connell K Ryan Succup

I want to preface this post by saying I'm generally pretty optimistic about the NFL draft and the Kansas City Chiefs' selections. I think the NFL draft is at best a crap shoot and to immediately label any player a boom or bust is simply not being patient. Although I may have preferred different players than the Chiefs drafted, I can see why they drafted every single one. This team has a plan and we owe it the coaches, front office and the players themselves to at least let them take the field for a few games before we proclaim them buffoons. You can be skeptical or angry but remember that at the end of the day, we all want these guys to be successful in Kansas City.

Yes, like many, I was surprised when the Chiefs selected Tyson Jackson at #3, among their other picks. But I see where he fits in the team's plans and how his presence will inevitably help one of the worst defenses in franchise history. I'm very open to giving new coaches and execs the benefit of the doubt and I hope you are too.

Why the patience? Because Pioli has shown he's a top notch personnel guy who selects players with a big picture mentality in mind. We won't always understand why this team will do some of the things it will do but Pioli's track record commands respect until he does something to lose it.

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One late trade and that was it

Before Scott Pioli came to the Kansas City chiefs, he had the distinction of being part of the tradingest draft-day team in the league in the last decade. Between 2000 and 2008, the Patriots made 28 draft-weekend trades. New England traded up 12 times, and they traded down 16 times during that period.

Surprising most of us, the Kansas City Chiefs and Scott Pioli made only one very late draft day trade this year, dealing next year's 7th round pick to the Miami Dolphins to grab TE Jake O'Connell in the 7th round.

Pioli made exactly one trade while Bill Belichick and the New England Patriots traded down multiple times, seemingly controlling their end of the draft at will. Pioli received no serious calls about trading out of the #3 pick and without a second round pick, the Chiefs found themselves out of the trade talk as first round prospects fell into the early second round.

The Picks

Instead of trading out, the Chiefs found themselves reaching for the first player they wanted. Tyson Jackson was a late top ten pick by most accounts but that didn't matter to Scott Pioli and Todd Haley. Pioli feels like Jackson's versatility will allow the Chiefs much more flexibility in the defensive schemes they play. He's definitely a defensive foundation pick if I've ever seen one. A player you put "impact" players around.

Alex Magee actually went right around his projection when the Chiefs took him early in the third round. Same thing with CB Donald Washington, who was projected to go even in the third round and the Chiefs picked him up early in the fourth round.

Missouri OT Colin Brown was probably the Chiefs' biggest reach of the draft. Many draft boards had him as a 7th round, UDFA prospect. Clearly, Pioli and Haley saw something they liked in Brown so they took him in the fifth round.Perhaps Haley is contemplating a some version of the spread offense, which Brown played in at Missouri.

6th round pick WR/KR Quinten Lawrence is much like his 6th round predecessor last year Kevin Robinson. Lawrence looks to be faster than Robinson and like him will have to earn his keep on special teams to earn a roster spot. Just the type of guy you take in the 6th round.

RB Javarris Williams, the Chiefs' first 7th round pick, is a pick where Pioli and Haley saw a guy who was rated higher than where he was so they snagged him. This seems like a value pick to me more than a need. But with Larry Johnson's future in KC up in the air, the selection of Javarris Williams may mean one more running back will be added to the committee.

TE Jake O'Connell is a very curious pick. He was an undrafted free agent on most draft boards and doesn't fill a huge priority - so why use the draft pick on him?  We'll have to wait until camp to find out but the Chiefs' brass likely sees him as a project as a receiving tight end. Considering the Chiefs just lost the greatest receiving tight end in the history of the NFL, I will give my approval to this pick.

K Ryan Succup is another interesting pick, especially considering he's now the fourth kicker on the Chiefs roster.  Incumbent Connor Barth played well enough last season to be considered the favorite heading into training camp but we can be rest assured that the kickers will be in a full blown competition. Let the best man win.

Did we address our needs?

Like with most team's drafts, the answer is yes and no. I will say that through the combination of free agency and the draft that I believe the Chiefs at least have enough talent and addressed enough glaring needs to make it through this season but they're not set in a lot of positions for years down the road.

One point you can't argue is that the Chiefs' defense was the biggest problem with the team last season. Pioli and Haley attacked that need by going defense with the first three picks. And the first two picks were spent on defensive linemen. A smart but not necessarily sexy move, considering the Chiefs had one of the worst rushing defenses in franchise history last year.

I hear you on wanting a pass rusher. But who? You have to answer me that. Did you really want Brian Orakpo or Aaron Maybin with the #3 pick? Jackson's versatility makes him more valuable than this year's sub-par pass rushers. Taking one of those guys would be like rushing out to get the newest model of a car, even though there isn't anything particularly special about it. You just want the latest model, regardless of improvements.

One interesting thing is that we didn't draft a linebacker. For a team who was supposedly likely to take LB Aaron Curry at #3, Pioli and Haley seem to be content with the mix of veterans and rookies on the roster now.

How are we on the offensive iine now?

With the lone offensive lineman addition Colin Brown, this is how the Chiefs' depth chart currently breaks down on the offensive line (projected starter in bold):

LT Branden Albert, Herb Taylor

LG Brian Waters, Brian De La Puente, Edwin Harrison

C Rudy Niswanger

RG Mike Goff, Wade Smith, Tavares Washington

RT Damion McIntosh, Barry Richardson, Colin Brown

Look at that. If Brown is able to move into the starting right tackle position, that's not a bad offensive line. It won't last us ten years but it's not bad heading into the '09 season.

I think offensive line was less of a need to the Chiefs than we thought it was in our analysis. There is still work to be done but that looks like it will wait until next season.

It's (almost) over

The undrafted free agents will continue to come in and we'll be posting them, probably in FanShots unless there is a whole slew of them. This has sort of a mini-draft feeling for a few hours after the real thing.

What. A. Weekend. I honestly blogged and watched the draft for probably close to 20 hours in just two days.

Here's to understanding wives and girlfriends!

Click over for more info on all of these guys.

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 Round 1, #3 LSU DE Tyson Jackson

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Comments:

Very disappointing

Last year we were getting great deals on players that fell to us. This just seems like an enormous reach for a non-pass rusher. -ChiefDJ

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Lions are to WR as the Chiefs are to DL -Matt_Grbac

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Everyone who wanted Curry needs to realize something.

Linebacker in the 3-4 is a very blue collar job. They are super important players but its a position that is popular and accommodates a lot of different people.

Look at the Steelers and how they draft their LBs. Ever heard of James Harrison? Defensive player of the year? Went undrafted and cut from the team twice before the steelers built him up into a great LB.

Curry wasn’t worth it. We are building our defense back up from line back. -Jux

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YES!!!

I LOVE Tyson Jackson.

He is fantastically fantastic.

Next Richard Seymour, man. -rockchalk

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Check out Tyson Jackson's player page for more info. The five players drafted after Jackson were:

  • LB Aaron Curry
  • QB Mark Sanchez
  • OT Andre Smith
  • WR Darrius Heyward-Bey
  • OT Eugene Monroe

Round 3, #67 Purdue DL Alex Magee

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Comments:

It's starting to look like Dorsey has no spot in the 3-4  -808NaNz808

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DAMN.

That kid can play! I graduated from Purdue and I’ve seen him a bunch of times…maybe a reach, but, WOW… -thejesuslizard

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I think it says more about depth.

The kid can play both positions in the 3-4 (on D-Line.) I think it says more about Hali than Dorsey that they’ve picked a DE and a DT/DE. -stlfan

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To you haters

Pioli knows D lineman, and he had ALL night to think about this. This is HIS pick – they guy that he wanted.

In Pioli I trust.  -Keyser Soze

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The Chiefs are no where near great. Would I like to have more depth on our DL, of course.

I’d have been fine with this pick if we didn’t reach for Jackson #3 overall. If we’d have gone Curry or OT, and then made this pick, it’d have made a lot of sense. -kcsno56

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Alex Magee

Are your kidding me? There were at least 10 different ways we could have gone that would be better than this pick.

This draft is shaping up horribly, most dissapointed I have been in Pioli’s tenure. -dyoung21

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Click here for Magee's player page. The five players drafted after Magee were:

  • DE Jarron Gilbert
  • OLB Jason Williams
  • DE Michael Johnson
  • DE Matt Shaughnessy
  • DT Terrance Knighton

Round 4, #102 Ohio St. CB Donald Washington

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Comments:

Good player

Doesnt really fill a need.  -tdbowe

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I'll say

this has been my favorite pick so far. I like where our defensive secondary is headed -KansasCityShuffle

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He will be a great add

Being an Ohio State fan, and watching him over the last few years, I can tell you that this kid is a player! With this addition we can free up flowers to cover the quick slot receivers in a 3 wide receiver set and have two large corners on the outside. I am loving the way the defense is looking already!  -vaup2106

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Pioli

was obviously disgusted with the defensive talent pool across the board. He’ll probably draft a safety next.  -ChiefsDude

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Think about this on Washington

Nobody threw at Malcom Jenkins this year so they focused on Washington but he held up well. Also, if he had stayed at OSU he would be the next big CB out of OSU and probably would’ve wound up as a first rounder next year.  -WesternChief

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Check out Donald Washington's player page. The next five players drafted after Washington were:

  • DT Dorell Scott
  • ILB Kaluka Maiava
  • DE Henry Melton
  • C Jonathan Luigs
  • WR Mike Thomas

Round 5, #139 Missouri OT Colin Brown

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Comments:

M-I-Z-Z-O-U but????

I love Mizzou but this pick makes no sense this guy would have been around later in the draft, why not go after a Duke Robinson here??  -doriang03

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He may not have been highly toted because he was in the wrong scheme for his talents.  -KCKing

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Can anyone tell me why Colin Brown is a better pick than Jamon Meredith? From what I have read Meredith is a smart, versatile OL, who had a 3rd round grade. It seems like we could have waited and picked up Colin Brown later, or as a Undrafted FA  -bradelli58

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Click here for Brown's player page. The next five players drafted after Brown were:

  • WR Johnny Knox
  • WR Kenny McKinley
  • P Kevin Huber
  • CB DeAngelo Smith
  • WR Jarrett Dillard

Round 6, #175 McNeese St. WR Quinten Lawrence

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Comments:

This is the first pick I've liked

And its because its in the 6th round, and a good time to take a shot at someone like this kid.

I’d have rather had Ellerbe or Jennings, the RB, but we need a returner, good time to roll the dice on speed.  -kcsno56

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I was thinking

Poor man’s Desean Jackson (Phi)

undersized with great speed and ball skills… a threat anytime the ball is in his hands.  -Ochophosphate

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Holy balls! That kid is FAST! -SupremeChief

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The next five players drafted after Lawrence were:

  • LB Spencer Adkins
  • CB Don Carey
  • QB Mike Teel
  • CB Morgan Trent
  • TE Zach Miller

Round 7, #212 Tennessee St. RB Javarris Williams

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Comments:

Insurance is a hope that you don't have to use it

But you better have it.  -Steve_Chiefs

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He might fit the Kevin Faulk profile.  -WesternChief

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Pfft!

All it’s basically saying is Williams is a bruiser RB. He’s small, not very fast, and likes contact. He will be used in short yardage situations if he’s used at all.  -SupremeChief

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The next five players drafted after Williams were:

  • OG Paul Fanaika
  • LB J.D. Folsom
  • RB Fui Vakapuna
  • CB Captain Munnerlyn
  • CB E.J. Biggers

Round 7, #237 Miami (OH) TE Jake O'Connell

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Comments:

Why?

Why would we trade up to get a guy that you may convince to walk on as a UFA? I don’t get the logic.  -TXChieffan

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O'Connell sounds like a guy who could play special teams as well

with his speed, 4.6, could be very useful on special teams, even if he doesn’t contribute on offense.  -Ken Harvey

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The next five player selected after O'Connell were:

  • DB Stoney Woodson
  • OG Ryan Durand
  • RB LaRod Stephens-Howling
  • TE David Johnson
  • FS Nick Schommer

Round 7, # 256 South Caroline K Ryan Succop

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Comments:

66% accuracy? This is a joke. I am okay with the other picks in the draft but this one honestly had me stumped. There is probably zero percent chance this guy is gonna be on our team because we can only keep one kicker. We should have at least found an inside lineman to develop.  -Vince D
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Succop...

I run the SBN Gamecocks site. Here’s what you need to know about Succop. He had one of the longest legs in the college game last year, but consistency is a bit of an issue for him. He missed a bunch of kicks around the middle of 2008, leading to the questionable accuracy rating. Part of the problem seemed to have been some kind of pulled abdominal muscle, but part of it was also in his head, I think. If he can work out confidence issues, he’s got the skills to be a great NFL kicker. If not, oh well.

And yeah, your wives and girlfriends will want to leave you for him as soon as they see his picture.  --Gamecock Man

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I just want to say again how much fun I had this weekend on this site. It really is the community that is this site's strength and I want to thank you for it.

For the reasons listed before the fold, I'm going to give this draft a B for the Kansas City Chiefs. Make sure you vote in the poll below.

Arrowhead Pride rolls on through out the off season.

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Grade the Chiefs overall draft, including the second round trade for QB Matt Cassel and LB Mike Vrabel.
A
76 votes
B
348 votes
C
184 votes
D
40 votes
F
15 votes

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Nice overview Chris

I have no idea what to grade this draft. Do I have to?

I’m like you. I really try to be patient, because there are so many players out there, the media and us fans can’t REALLY know how the board stacks up.

I always have a little sensation of shock/disappointment when a pick like Quentin Lawrence is announced and Jasper Brinkley or Zach Follett are still on the board, but that passes quickly.

And, there’s always the Raiders for solace.

by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 7:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not a big fan of grading drafts either

But this doesn’t appear to be a “wow” draft just filling pieces of the puzzle.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 27, 2009 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I graded this draft...

It wasn’t an F but it wasn’t an A either…at least right now without seeing them actually play or even training camp. Until we see the full extent of what turns out in the FA department then I’ll leave it be.

There's no hope with dope...

by chrisjo07 on Apr 27, 2009 7:51 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

First

I’d like to hear the punchline to this


I hear you on wanting a pass rusher. But who? You have to answer me that. Did you really want Brian Orakpo or Aaron Maybin with the #3 pick? Jackson’s versatility makes him more valuable than this year’s sub-par pass rushers. Taking one of those guys would be like rushing out to get the newest model of a car, even though

Second – Tyson Jackson was not a reach – I trust Pioli more than I trust frickin’ Mel Kiper Jr.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 7:57 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Suspense

Leave paragraphs only partially completed to make you wanting more! :)

Chris is fixing it now.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 27, 2009 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate when "reach" is used.

GREAT PICK if you take him at #10, terrible if you take him at #3. They play on the same field either way, right?

The grading between some of the top picks I’m sure is so small at times, that there isn’t much difference at all between #2 and #11. It’s all about team need and how they fit in with each team. If Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe were head and shoulders above Jackson, I promise, they would’ve taken one of those guys. But they were probably very close in their overall evaluation, so Jackson won.

by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reach in my mind because

I can not see any way that Jackson will earn the money we have to spend on him. He is not a pass rusher, and I don’t see him elevating the other players enough to be worth around 30 million. The talent drop off bothers me less than the money we will have tied up in our D line for the next 5 years when we know they will not be production guys. Blue collar positions and talent shouldn’t get Star quality contracts.

by tevans96 on Apr 27, 2009 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I see where you're coming from

But, you’re going to have to pay someone that #3 money. That money was spent the day you got the third pick, so you might as well take the player you want.

by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And if he becomes 75% of the player Seymour is

he’ll be worth what we pay him

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spent years ripping the GM for this

Just because we have new management does not mean I am ok with over paying for talent. For years we have complained about being stuck with contracts that we payed too much for the player, I still see overpaying as a problem.

by tevans96 on Apr 27, 2009 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But who at #3 was worth that contract then?

You have to pay that money to someone.

by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

Herm & Carl left them the #3 pick, obviously it would have been ideal for them to trade down to #8 so & get some extra compensation, but it takes a willing team on the other side for that to work. They had to play the cards they were dealt.

by jmcgoblue on Apr 27, 2009 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

These players

Monroe – would help upgrade offensive line
Crabtree – help to replace TG production
Curry – Will have a greater impact on his team’s Defense
Sanchez – QBs are always paid high

If we took Jackson even at 6 I would be ok with this pick, I know no one wanted to trade up with us but if this was really the player they wanted the should have just swapped 1st rounders with someone around 6-8 and saved the money, forget the extra picks. Or even just pass the pick and wait to select Jackson after a couple of other teams.

by tevans96 on Apr 27, 2009 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Except for Sanchez. He wouldn’t have been worth that contract to us, other teams, yes.

I agree with your argument, I made it myself down the thread. You don’t give a 3-4 DE a $30 mil signing bonus. I can’t even wrap my head around it. Monroe or Curry at least could have played well enough to have ‘earned’ thier contract. It’s nearly impossible for Jackson to do the same.

by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think any of those picks are more, or less, valid at #3

Monroe - Knee Questions
Crabtree - Foot & Character Questions
Curry - Had a lot of buzz, but it’s media generated. I’ve never heard of a MLB being paid $12m per year either. Besides, if the DL can’t maintain the line of scrimmage he’ll just be back there making tackles after 5 yard gains.
Sanchez - I think it would have been a good idea to draft him & offer to the highest bidder, but there’s a huge risk in doing that. It could have ended up being a terrible move.

as for swapping picks, what makes you think another team would be stupid enough to swap with us just to have the privilege of having to give their choice a bigger contract. Pretty much everyone agrees this was a flat draft class, there wasn’t much drop-off in talent through the first 10 picks or so. The only player anyone wanted to move up for was Sanchez.

As far as passing, I think it’s an unwritten rule in the league that teams don’t do this. I don’t think it’s ever been done intentionally and you’d be opening up a big can of worms by being the first to do it…and there could end up being a chain reaction.

by jmcgoblue on Apr 27, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bart Scott

Got about $9 mil per this offseason at ILB.

I think you’re looking at about $10 mil per for the #3 pick.

Curry could, many would say should be every bit as good as Bart Scott.

If Monroe plays LT for the Chiefs, $10 mil per isn’t a stretch at all.

Those are the two that stand out, IMO.

by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ty Warren averages $7.4 mil per year in guaranteed money
Aaron Smith just over $6 mil per year.

So it’s comparable at either position.

by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

regarding Bart Scott

Maybe playing with Suggs & Ray Lewis…along with a very good DL made him look better than he actually is? Maybe DJ would look every bit as good as Scott playing in that group. I don’t know, but I think it’s quite possible.

Look, I’m certainly not excited about this draft, but I do think the philosophy of building the D from the DL out is a good one, even if Jackson isn’t the next Reggie White. With a deep line of above-average players, in a year or two we’ll have a very good defense that won’t wilt late in games.

by jmcgoblue on Apr 27, 2009 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not defending the Scott signing

Or arguing how good he is, my point was that a ILB in a 3-4 can/is paid similar to what Curry will get as a top 3 or 4 pick.

I agree the players around him certainly helped him look good, as I’m sure he helped the players around him look good.

by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Defense goes from
  1. to #10 – #15 next year, then it was worth it.

by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 27, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, yeah.

That would be pretty amazing. I’m hoping for 20th ranked D, and I don’t see much of a reason to be hopeful of that.

Pendergast’s history doesn’t suggest an overnight turnaround.

by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK:

Monroe – To me paying Monroe and paying Jackson is a similar investment. Work horse players who strengthen you in the trenches but probably aren’t worth a #3 contract.

Crabtree – The bust rate on receivers is higher than almost any other position and it goes against Pioli’s obvious philosophy of building from the lines out, so I think Crabtree would’ve been a big gamble for that contract.

Curry – Pay an LB that money? GM’s around the league would highly disagree with you based on the contracts given to DE’s and DT’s compared to money given to 4-3 OLB’s and 3-4 ILB’s.

Sanchez: We’re giving Cassel $16 million this year. He’s the QB. Picking Sanchez would mean your investing $23 in a position that only 1 player can get on the field and you already have a capable backup.

No teams wanted #3 for the same reason that you don’t so I doubt anyone would’ve even straight up flipped picks.

And you can’t pass on a pick. Well, you CAN, but it’s not like it’s some kind of savy business move. Seattle will still negotiate their pick as the #4, the Jets as the #5, and the agent for Jackson would still be negotiating as if he were the #3. Because that was KC’s original position and no agent is going to take less money because of a team’s greasiness or incompetance.

by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Also, in Pioli’s last press conference yesterday, he did pretty much say “we’re not done” and made it sound as though they are continuing to actively look for and acquire more players.

I don’t know enough about any of these players to say yea or nay. If I have “disappointment” is only in that I thought that Pioli would be more active and do a lot of trading like you alluded to. But, that’s just about excitement, it doesn’t mean it necessarily would have yielded a better set of players.

Overall, it seemed to address a few of the primary needs.

"I'll be the first one to tell you, Don't follow me. I'll let you down. Follow Jesus." Trey Hillman

OK, got it.

The General Theory of Royaltivity

by kabrink on Apr 27, 2009 8:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I was bummed that we didn't trade more too.

But I really can’t fault Pioli for it. He came into the draft with no real ammunition. We didn’t have a top pick that anyone wanted, we don’t really have players that anyone wants, and we haven’t been stockpiling future draft picks like the Patriots have. His only real chip was 2010’s 2nd round.

But I bet he was trying hard to get back into that second round.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Apr 27, 2009 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopes and fears

Like…
A balanced approach to need and best available.
Picks based on game tape more than combine numbers.
Top three picks going to defense (although CB? not LB?).
Pioli’s surprisingly, relative openness in explaining the picks over the weekend.

Fear…
Haley, the top defensive coaches and Krumrie and not that good at their duties.
That we gave up next year’s 7th round pick because they were bored in the board room.
People will expect too much this year from Tyson Jackson.

Hope…
Synergy and alignment among the defensive coaching staff will make up for individual weaknesses.
Pioli will end up justifying his reputation and was not just a beneficiary of Belichick.
Lawrence will be nice surpise at KR to offset a couple years of disappointments.
The Colin Brown pick is an indicator of continuing spread offense philosophy.
The second and third year D line players have progressed and will be suprisingly strong in 09.

by sunny D on Apr 27, 2009 8:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Regarding your last hope
The second and third year D line players have progressed and will be suprisingly strong in 09.

I think about that as well. But then I remember they’re about to learn a new system as well.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 27, 2009 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This fear
That we gave up next year’s 7th round pick because they were bored in the board room.

Is ridiculous…Pioli is a savvy businessman, not a retart =)

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep :)

I just laugh a little at the expectations people had of Pioli and gang doing all this wheeling and dealing. So I get this image of the guys in the war room saying, “Hey. We haven’t made any trades this weekend. We better do something. How ‘bout we move up in this last round by giving up next year’s 7th rounder.” “Yeah! Plus, we’ll be done a couple hours sooner next year!”

It’d be kinda like seeing Donald Trump sittin’ at the $2 table in Atlantic City. =)

by sunny D on Apr 27, 2009 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

On one of your fears:

People will expect too much this year from Tyson Jackson.

I guarantee people will be screaming that Jackson is a bust be Week 10, if not earlier.
He simply won’t be a dominant rookie.

That’s why Tamba, Tank, and Dorsey need to step up in their respective 4th, 3rd and 2nd years. TJ will need time.

by RedNose on Apr 27, 2009 8:29 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Remember Pioli said Richard Seymour and Ty Warren weren’t much their rookie years ever. I think he was warning us that we shouldn’t expect the world of him in year one (Sounds familiar, Glenn Dorsey…).

by Joel Thorman on Apr 27, 2009 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Voted B...

but it’s definitely a low B-.

by mynameistyler on Apr 27, 2009 8:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope you're right...

I wish I had your optimism. When I look at this draft, I see:

Jackson, a fifth-year-senior whose best season was three years ago;

Magee, a back of the rotation NT;

Washington, a head-case problem child with more athleticism than skill

Brown, a guy who would have been lucky to be an UFA;

Lawrence and Williams, destined for the practice squad

O’Connell and Succop, who will be long gone by opening day.

Not…exactly what I had in mind for the first draft of the Pioli era

by Obliterati on Apr 27, 2009 8:38 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think this?
Magee, a back of the rotation NT

Everything I read said he projected as a 3-4 DE, or maybe a 4-3 3 tech DT…he’s not big enough to play NT

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 27, 2009 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grading Draft

This is an almost impossible draft to grade until you put in the little caviat of the trade for Cassel and Vrabel. It then becomes an easy “B”. We improved our D, got our QB, pick up some guy who can play at LB this year anyway, even got a return man. Jackson will allow our D to do some things we could not do prior to the draft like play either front or the under without changing personnel. I still think Dorsey will be a hell of a ballplayer.

Jerome

by easyjb on Apr 27, 2009 9:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well
I hear you on wanting a pass rusher. But who? You have to answer me that. Did you really want Brian Orakpo or Aaron Maybin with the #3 pick? Jackson’s versatility makes him more valuable than this year’s sub-par pass rushers. Taking one of those guys would be like rushing out to get the newest model of a car, even though there isn’t anything particularly special about it. You just want the latest model, regardless of improvements.

No, I didn’t want Orakpo or Maybin, at all, but would have taken either over a 3-4 DE. Don’t try and convince yourself that Jackson was higher on more boards than Orakpo.

The big thing that bothers me about this pick is, you’re looking at similar productivity out of Olshansky (who signed for 4 years $18 mil) and Chris Canty. I wanted Curry…but would have been content with an OT. Giving a 3-4 DE a $25-30 million dollar signing bonus is ludicrous. At least with Curry or an OT, they could develop into being worthy of thier contract.

I also disagree with the idea that 3-4 teams don’t value LB talent. If you were to make a list of the best LB’s in the league, many of them are in 3-4 D’s. Are some of them guys that were initially late rounders? Sure, but thats the case at any position.

by kcsno56 on Apr 27, 2009 9:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

In reguards to trading away picks and moving up

I think we fucked ourselfs in that dept because no one wanted to trade with us there was to much talent on the board after we picked up tyson jackson . Everyteam had a shot at a good player.

FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.

by sexassassin on Apr 27, 2009 10:50 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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