2009 Pre-Draft Predictions

by ChiefDJ on Apr 23, 2009 5:58 PM CDT Comment 38 comments

1) Glen Dorsey will be traded at some point Saturday
Not a new idea, many have talked about it, but I think it is very likely. Dorsey was the hotest defensive player in the country last year and despite some saying he had a dud for a rookie year (though that has been debunked), I don't think real NFL coaches see it that way. He is still a player every 4-3 defense wants.
Quite simply, he will be traded because he just doesn't fit in the Chiefs new 3-4 defense. He's a 4-3 three technique all the way and has the potential to be the best player at that position since Warren Sapp. But he's not near bulky enough to play Nose Tackle in the 3-4, and is TOO big and too short to play DE.
No idea of the compensation we will receive, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Detroit Lions with 4-3 guru Jim Schwartz has former Chiefs D.C. Gunther Cunningham whispering in his ear. That could end up being the Lions 2nd 1st round pick (#20) plus either their 2nd or 3rd rounder.
Yes, he has a big contract, but in case you weren't paying attention, the Chiefs have a ton of cap space they aren't using in which they could absorb the cap hit.

2) The Chiefs will trade their #3 pick to the Browns who will pick Mark Sanchez
I know trades in the top 5 almost never happen anymore, but I think we will see it this year and the Chiefs are in a good spot to take advantage. It won't cost the Browns, who are at #5, a fortune to move up to #3 to get ahead of the Seahawks who are rumored to be interested in taking Sanchez at #4 and they are likely to trade Braylon Edwards and Brady Quinn sometime Saturday that will give them more picks to maneuver with.

3) Brady Quinn will be traded to the Broncos
Quinn played in the same type of offense at Notre Dame that Josh McDaniels runs. The Broncos also have plenty of picks to spread out after the Jay Cutler ~~fiasco~~ trade.

4) The Chiefs WILL be making a pick in the 2nd round THIS year
Simply too much talent in the 2nd round of this years draft for Pioli to not get into it. Whether it happens by means of trading a player or trading later picks to move up, the Chiefs will be picking in the 2nd round.

5) Tamba Hali will be traded at some point Saturday
I still think Tamba is a good player, but like Dorsey, he simply doesn't belong in the 3-4. Despite having a poor season last year, he is still highly thought of by coaches in the NFL. I'd be surprised if we got more than a 3rd round pick for him.

6) Larry Johnson and Brian Waters will be Chiefs in 2009
I think the whole Brian Waters thing was totally overblown and don't believe there was ever any thought in Piolis mind that he would trade him. As you can see from how things went down with Tony G, Pioli doesn't really care what the player wants, its about what is best for the team.
That is also why LJ will still be here. It's not that he is irreplacable. He's not. Running backs are a dime a dozen. But the Chiefs aren't going to get any value for him in a trade. Nobody is going to trade a decent pick for a whiney RB. Haley will run him and run him hard and I think he will have a bit of a revival with Mike Goff taking over at Right Guard.

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I think

Johnson will be i think waters has a better hance of being shipped than tamba

by cassel4prez on Apr 23, 2009 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Sounds good

Everyone just wants to trade trade trade. Now I agree it would be nice. But trades don’t really happen that much in the NFL. It’s like the NBA deadline here. I like that you have Johnson and Waters staying. I think we’ll just have to sit with them

With Dorsey I’m down for the trade just for a 1st even. Cap don’t matter in Kansas City for the next 3 years.

If we get another first this year. Screw take the pick at 3 get either one of the Tackles or Curry then with that 2nd 1st rounder get the opposite. Both are looking good at each spot. Specially last first with lbs.

by NakedDave on Apr 23, 2009 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

No way to 3, no way, if we wanted Brady we could of had him a month ago.

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by Broncoman on Apr 23, 2009 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Falcons could have had Gonzalez a month ago as well

by ChiefDJ on Apr 23, 2009 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see #3 going to the Browns...they have too much invested in Quinn

The Jets will take the #3

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"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 23, 2009 6:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Too far for the Jets to trade up. Would cost them a fortune.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 23, 2009 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We'll get a vet off of their squad as part of the deal is my gut feeling.

Redskins otoh have overextended themselves….but are somewhat in the mix because of Snyder’s ego (7QB’s in 9 years).

The media is building up Sanchez and too many teams need a QB this season.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 23, 2009 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm almost positive LJ won't be a Chief

If LJ is on the roster for the Chiefs, then that money the Chiefs fought so hard to get un-guaranteed in that grievance will become guaranteed again.

Does that make any sense at all?

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by Chris Thorman on Apr 23, 2009 6:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I didn't realize it worked that way

But if thats the case, why haven’t they ditched him yet?

by ChiefDJ on Apr 23, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, he's gone or the 3.75 still is paid out to him the first day of the season

We’re going to package him and a 2nd round pick we supposedly got in 2010 :-)

We have soooo much leverage now. I bet Pioli’s phone is going off the hook. And if the other GM’s know and see what we see with Pioli, expect a lot of opportunities for acquiring picks as well as veteran packages. I can’t wait for Saturday.

This offense and defense is going to look entirely different in ‘09 especially in regards to the playcalling/scheme’s.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 23, 2009 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

For a 4th rounder in 2011

you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 23, 2009 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Carl is that you? :)

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 23, 2009 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They didnt work that hard to get that money un-guaranteed.

All they did was request a hearing

by Chiefsfan1970 on Apr 24, 2009 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wasn't it the players union that filed the grievance?

Because the Chiefs had a clause in LJs contract about forfeiting guaranteed money if he got in trouble or something and the NFLPA is trying to fight that like they did with Michael Vick because they want guaranteed money to mean guaranteed money no matter what.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 24, 2009 6:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They went after $500K paid to him last year

They lost THAT part of the arbitration and couldn’t recoup the money. They won the part where if they release or trade LJ they DO NOT have to pay the $3.75Mil.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 24, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

We will trade our #3

for both of Denver’s first rounders.

by Chiefs2010 on Apr 23, 2009 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

not

going to happen. snowballs chance in hell. no way. denver has made some bad moves this year but that would just be mentally retarded and bowlen isnt that stupid. the shine has to have been tarnished already on his new HC so i think the leash has just gotten shorter. no way that trade happens.

by Hendrix on Apr 23, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah don't think anyone is going to give us two 1st rounders to move up

For one thing, there isn’t a player in this draft worth betting the farm on.

If somone does trade up, it will be someone not far from where we are (which is why I picked the Browns) who won’t have to give up an arm and a leg.

I always think its funny how everyone works out these trades that are so favorable to us and screw over the other team. :)

by ChiefDJ on Apr 23, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pretty heady predictions

Wow Chief DJ! You are not afraid of laying it all out there are you. But the funny thing is, after rereading your rationale, you may have hit on two or three likely scenarios. Especially since it is now absolutely obvious Pioli is a riverboat gambler who wants the Chiefs to have his identity and no links to the past.

hooah!

by Chief C on Apr 23, 2009 7:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Damn DJ

I like all Six. Well maybe like is the wrong word, but they all seem feasible at the moment.

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by Buck'O on Apr 23, 2009 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Trade #3 to Browns for #5?

I like it. Browns take Sanchez and Chiefs could still get T. Jackson, Curry or anyone they like at #5 and from the Browns, Chiefs get a pick or picks, or maybe somehow get B. Edwards in a deal. That would give the Chiefs Bowe and Edwards for Haley’s offense.

by Chiefs_KC on Apr 23, 2009 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Great idea...

We could have the #1 and #2 receivers in dropped passes on our team!!

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by Texas Chief on Apr 24, 2009 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah... i was thinking the same thing when I posted it..

Overrated stat..Yeah. 2 of top 3 in drops last year but, Fitzgerald and Boldin vs Bowe and B.,Edwards… close I. M. O…… Edwards had 17 td rec. 2 years ago.. there’s gotta be a good Lasik sergeon in KC somewhere…

by Chiefs_KC on Apr 24, 2009 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Trade Dorsey

I think getting #20 and #33 from Lions would be good value for Dorsey. He’s not going to fit a “traditonal” 3-4 defense and still has high trade value. What about trading Dorsey to Panthers for J. Peppers?

by Chiefs_KC on Apr 23, 2009 7:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

HUH......

Dorsey could be a pro-bowler for yr’s to come, why in the world would anyone be ok with that trade! Pepper’s career is almost done, Dorsey’s has just started! OH i almost forgot we want to go 3-4 , so let’s just throw away all our good pick’s we got in the last 3yr’s so that we can do it!
I know our D-fense sucked last yr, but dangit if we had stayed with the 4-3 it was alot easier to fix (DE—- MLB)! Now lets see, we need a ( DT, DE,OLB, MLB) ! To me it’s a easy choice, stay with the 4-3! Thank god T.Haley doesn’t like the wish bone offense!!
I will say this, if we could get #20 and #33 for Dorsey that would be great and you would hear no complaint’s from me, but i say no on the trade for Pepper’s!

by CPT.Caveman on Apr 24, 2009 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

Agreed #20 and #33 would be a good scenario,. but …As a 4-3 Defence Chiefs are terrible! Set a record for sack futiliity..Dorsey, Hali, McBride, et al. Just because we (correction, Peterson and Edwards) drafted players in high rds and ran a bad scheme let’s s roll them out again for another (bad) season. .Peppers can fit a 3-4 defence and is a Pro-Bowl player… Dorsey=? ? I’d take Peppers over Dorsey any day. Peppers will be 29 this year, Dorsey 24, but Peppers is a difference maker. I haven’t seen Dorsey be a force since an LSU game .

by Chiefs_KC on Apr 24, 2009 5:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dorsey

Has only played one yr, can he get a chance to prove himself or what! But you said it all when you pointed out that Edward’s was in charge,and that IMO is why this team sucked so much last yr! Not the player’s, and not the scheme we ran! Pepper’s is 2 or 3 yrs from being done in the NFL, wasn’t he hurt last yr? Maybe it’s just me , but i get the feeling that Pepper’s is trouble!
I can’t tell you which d-fense is better the 4-3 or the 3-4 i’m no expert, but i’ve alway’s like the 4-3 under! Our LB core was weak last yr, going to the 3-4 make’s us need good LB’S even more! At this point having Vrabel and Zack is great for the young guy’s, but at there age can they play a full yr without getting hurt?

by CPT.Caveman on Apr 24, 2009 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rec'd

Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"

by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 23, 2009 8:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Dorsey to the LIons a lot

and I’m sure Detroit would love to have him as their #20 pick. He’d be in the NFC and he’d have a solid chance of performing well in a declining NFC North. All of this is the wake of a loss of Cory Redding? Seems legitimate

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 23, 2009 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they would give the #20 pick

but they might give up the #33 pick

by black mamba on Apr 23, 2009 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

for Dorsey?

I think if Glenn Dorsey entered the draft this year he’d still go top 10 maybe 15. Getting him at 20 will be a steal for the Lions

Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.

by 808NaNz808 on Apr 23, 2009 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Especially

because Gunther will hold nothing but high accolades for him

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by 808NaNz808 on Apr 23, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Dorsey came out in this years draft

He’d still be a top 5 player. Why would he not? I think anyone would pick Dorsey over Curry. It would be same as last year, if teams need QB or LT more, they might take them, but if not Dorsey would be the first defender off the board no question.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 23, 2009 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dorsey was the best player available in last years draft

No way he devalues to a 2nd rounder that fast.

They aren’t going to get the 5th overall back for him, but to think he’s only worth a 2nd rounder after one year in the NFL is just silly.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 23, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here's a thought

Since the Tony G thing went dow, How about we trade LJ to the Cards, they give us Boldin, and we swap picks with them?

by chiefs1968 on Apr 23, 2009 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't think they'd trade outright

But we have a 2010 2nd round pick with LJ that might do the trick. They might go for that. I’d be fine with it.

Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."

"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.

by THE_TRUTH on Apr 23, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs