The media is missing the point of the TG trade.

by WesternChief on Apr 23, 2009 5:40 PM CDT

I believe Tony was traded because if you look at the Patriot / Cardinal way on offense you don't need a superstar TE. Your big weapons consist primarily of a great #1 wideout (Randy Moss / Larry Fitzgerald) a decent #2 (Anquan Bolden / Joey Galloway / Greg Lewis) and a sold slot (Wes Welker / Steve Breaston).

Bolden was used in the slot quite a bit so it seems to me that the #1 and the slot are the most important in the passing attack. Also, they prefer a bigger blcoking TE for the running game. Tony was alright as a blocker but he was more of a third down / redzone receiving threat. I'm guessing but I think Pioli and Haley listened to the Falcon's offer of a second round pick next year and they compared that with the offense they are going to run and they made the trade because Tony wasn't going to be as big a part of this offense as he was in year's past.

Also, if you listened to the press conference Pioli stressed that he is looking at the 2010 2nd rounder as a bargaining chip for this year. Before we cast judgement on the trade we really have to see what comes out of it.

This definately reiterates that Pioli and Haley want guys that fit the scheme / system and want to be Kansas City Chiefs.

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They did not use a TE...

because the did not have one.

by saskwatch on Apr 23, 2009 5:43 PM CDT reply actions

The slot

Is for that guy that can make a catch and move after wards.
Now Tony isn’t quite the greatest after the catch but tough to bring down 1 on 1.

There are few players with better hands than Tony G. Maybe just Larry Fritz.

by NakedDave on Apr 23, 2009 5:44 PM CDT reply actions

Yeh

i agree we have to see how this plays out but a player that good finds a role i dont care what system

by cassel4prez on Apr 23, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions

Yes Tony would've had a role but

You have to wonder with all of his desire to get out of KC and the fact that he really isn’t irreplaceable in this system the deal was too good to pass up.

by WesternChief on Apr 23, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions

Maybe after trading with Washington who loves Sanchez

We grab Maclin to PR/KR/Slot/#2 rcvr to Bowe.
I think getting another weopen just moved up the Draft Stack

you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 23, 2009 5:47 PM CDT reply actions

Woah

I know we need another reciever we’ve needed recievers ever since i’ve been a chief fan. Eddie kennison and Dante Hall ya know… But we must remember our needs here… We had 10 sacks last year… How many was that? 10 worst ever!!! We also have a 14.5 million QB to protect is right side. I think we can suck it up at the WR corps. one more year

by NakedDave on Apr 23, 2009 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions

It's going to be hard for the D to protect a lead we never have :)

you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 23, 2009 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions

Yeah.....

I can’t wait until the season start’s, and we score 35 point’s a game the other team score’s 50!! That was alway’s so fun to watch while D.Vermeil was coach!!

by CPT.Caveman on Apr 23, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions

I hated losing like that

but it was a lot more exciting than Hermball.

Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.

by paratrooper on Apr 23, 2009 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions

If the Chiefs couldn't win but 2 games with Tony G.

and we lose half of the O production. We will probably score 10 points a game.
Only Baltimore wins games that way.

you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp

by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 23, 2009 6:30 PM CDT reply actions

But the Pats TRIED to draft TEs

But always failed.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 23, 2009 6:33 PM CDT reply actions

YES!

Sorry, I’m looking at these the day after, but how come you guys don’t see this? The Pats were desperate to find a TG in the draft, they just kept swinging and missing.

That’s one of the reasons when the rumors were kicking up I thought there was a decent chance he wouldn’t get moved.

by kcsno56 on Apr 24, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions

Keep smokin the same shit there smokin....

This was a major, foul, terd suckin, bench vibratin, brain fart by Mr Pioli, you can tell Haley’s nuts are in his purse….and Clark is alittle Sally too, he said he wouldnt be traded.

by Sea of RED on Apr 23, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions

Yeah Tony brought us how many Super Bowl trophies?

Pioli has what 3-4? Haley’s offense rocked the playoffs and the main players (warner, fitzgerald and bolden) all credited Haley with their development. So if you want to live in the past of 13-3 and no playoff wins be my guest but I’m going with the guys who know what it takes to get to the big game.

by WesternChief on Apr 23, 2009 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Let's see, who was the TE at AZ?

I am sorry, I can’t recall. I think some TE caught a ball once for AZ.

They simply had no star TE. No star TE to catch a ball like TG. So, you are probably not going to toss one that way very often and they didn’t except in the playoffs for a TD of note.

Not that you point is not a good one. I understand it. It’s just that they did not have a TE worth the sneakers on TG at even 36 yrs of age, let alone 33.

I just hope TG does well, he deserves a break from the Chiefs. Not the fans, the Chiefs.
Pioli and co. may yet make a great deal. But, so far, it’s looking like disaster. Even if they get many new shoes in the draft, it will take a while even for the best of them to work any magic.

Maybe the Chiefs are the new farm team as the Royals once were. No, not anymore, they got rid of the best player. Cassel still has a lot to prove. Pioli and Haley’s Comets even more so. That Cassel deal may yet blow up in our faces. He only has a 1 yr contract.

Here is to our 2 picks in the first 3 rounds. Pioli better make some might good deals and soon. Still wondering if Denver or Detroit will be the ones to make the big deal? Next, it’s Pioli’s ole buddies in NE. Getting tired of that connection. I like Vrabel, but it bugs me after that. To many one year contracts all over the place with ole guys and practice squad guys.

How ironic! They bring in many ole guys and get rid of TG, whom many say is old anyway. Old is fine. I am old. Most of the old guys they have now will be here a year or 2 and play part time. Good deal for them, bad for the fans. But, yes, the young guys can learn if they can draft anyone to train them.

Atlanta will probably make the playoffs again. So, that 2nd round pick for next year, if not traded off, will be close to 55 and up to 64. And some thought it was so great to get Cassel for that 2nd round pick. Yes, if he stays and does well, fine. If not, it will be the stone in the shoe of forever.

Cheers!

by SedMo on Apr 23, 2009 9:39 PM CDT reply actions

The funny thing is.

They didn’t need a TE to excel. Sure maybe the numbers would’ve been higher with TG on their teams, but it doesn’t change that fact that for the last 5 years neither of their systems were built for a TE to catch balls.

So are you saying we should expect Haley/Pioli to adjust their scheme they have been doing for YEARS to accommodate for star that would’ve been with us for another 2? I’d rather them keep winning they way they have been.

"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"

by Jux on Apr 24, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions