Chiefs Trade Tony Gonzalez to the Falcons
by Joel Thorman on Apr 23, 2009 1:42 PM CDT
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Following the 2008 season finale against the Bengals, this is one of the last times we saw Tony Gonzalez in the Chiefs' locker room.
The Chiefs have agreed to trade the perennial Pro Bowl tight end to the Atlanta Falcons for a second-round pick in the 2010 draft, FOXSports.com has learned.
Gonzalez has already spoken to both the Chiefs and Falcons about the deal, according to sources.
A second round pick NEXT year. Updates to follow....
On March 23rd, Chiefs owner Clark Hunt said the Chiefs had decided to hold onto Gonzalez.
"On behalf of my family and the Chiefs, I want to thank Tony for his time in Kansas City," Chiefs Chairman Clark Hunt said. "Over the last 12 seasons, Tony has been one of the finest players in Chiefs history, and he will always be remembered as a member of the Chiefs. His play on the field speaks for itself – he holds almost every major NFL record for tight ends, and he is arguably the best to ever play his position. We wish him the best in Atlanta."
Scott Pioli:
"From an organizational as well as personal standpoint there are mixed emotions. I have the highest personal and professional respect for Tony and consider him to be a future Pro Football Hall of Famer."
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Is nothing sacred?
NOOOOO! If Gonzo isen’t sacred, what is? The first time I have to second guess Mr. Pioli
Oh, well In Pioli I trust… as fans, we have no other choice.
....I'm drinkin hot tee b!tch, feel me.
by Undaunted_Fish on May 4, 2009 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOO
not for a pick next year…. say it ain’t so Pioli.
Really making it harder to stick by this whole In Pioli We Trust motto.
On the bright side
That will probably be higher than this year’s.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 23, 2009 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
ITs about the Ying and the Yang....it all balances out in the end
With the Cassel and Vrabrel for a second pick.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Its gonna be funky to see him another Uni...
I guess we will know how Green Bay felt with the Favre trade.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
the Montana trade was perfect for me...
’Coz I grew up watching the 49ers, and when Joe Cool made the switch is was like heaven for me.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
I’m sorry to see him go, and I was hoping to get more for him if we did trade him. On the plus side, next year’s draft should have more depth.
sigh Bye, Tony.
effing redonkulous
Please don’t let this be true, you can’t trade the face of the franchise whose still your best pass catcher for future draft pick, we’ll get nothing for him this year. you do this MAYBE if it’s a 2nd rounder this year. the falcons project to be pretty good so it’ll be closer to a third round pick in reality. NOT COOL. I am no longer on the PIOLI trinity bandwagon.
SAME HERE!
NO MORE DON…just another guy..
by Wrestler189s on Apr 23, 2009 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably should ahve see this coming with the signing of the TE earlier in the week
I don’t like this, just cause i’ll miss Tony, time will tell if that pick pays off. I hope the Chiefs go to the playoffs next year and the falcons don’t. I wish he would have got on board with what Pioli and Haley are trying to do, he could have been a great mentor on how to be a PRO to all our young guys, especially Cottam
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
What is the logic behind this!!!!!!!
We just made the Atlanta Falcons a better team for this year!! We needed that 2nd rd pick THIS year. I was really excited about this whole offseason so far but this just kind of ripped my heart out.
NOOOOOOOOO
Oh my God. This is awful.
Must trust Pioli. Must trust Pioli. Must trust Pioli.
Thats all I can think
I’m just gonna keep trusting him. At least for a year
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
Whate the hell?!
A 2nd rounder for next year? My hopes for our offense’s success’ has significantly dropped. Tony will definitely be missed every Sunday.
even if it is a pick for next year, Pioli still got the max value out of him. this is a sad day, though.
No, he most certainly did not
A 3rd rounder in 2009 is worth a hell of a lot more to our team than a late 2nd rounder in 2010.
The 3rd had been offered already and we passed it up for a 2010 2nd…. what in the fck?
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Hopefully the Falcons suck
and we get a higher pick and Tony can go eat some humble pie next year just like Jason Taylor did this year
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
I hope not
I hope they win the super bowl this year cuz I want Tony to get one before he retires. He cant get one with us anymore so best of luck to him and the Falcons
by lennythecool777 on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Then let them drag him to one in 2011...
Tony effectively helped whine his way out of town. We’re not gonna say he didn’t show up to play like the ultimate professional he is, but if he still wanted to be a Chief, he’d still be a Chief.
Good luck, but it’s a roll of the dice in this league. If he gets Tiki’d we won’t feel too bad for him.
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Exactly. If he wanted to retire a Chief, he could have. The ball was TOTALLY in his court.
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Why
Does everyone think we have to do it this year. When we go into next year with 2 2nd rounders we’ll all be like what’d we get for that other one. Not even thinkin about it. It’s a good move. Rather had this year but they have a pretty deep pick it could only get a little worse. But could get alot better
2010 2nd rounder
for TG is……. a god awful trade.
There’s got to be more to this trade that Glayzer is missing or confused on, this move just doesn’t make any sense at all.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Its got to have a lot to do with TG being unhappy here, otherwise there's no way you give him up for a 2nd rd pick NEXT YEAR
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy, In a speech at the White House, 1962
They'll be at least as good, if not better
next year once Matt Ryan isn’t a rookie, they have another draft to fix some holes, and TG is busy racking up another 1k+ yards.
ATL was a surprise last year, they’ll be just as good next year only it won’t be a surprise.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
No one f8cking knows
They could win 5 games or they could go to the SB.
I doubt anyone saw a SB run for AZ this year.
We are lucky to have got a 2nd Rounder...
No matter what year it is…
I will miss Tony so much….for real..
when you think of the chiefs
you automatically think about Tony G. He has been the leader of this team for so many years, it will be a real shame to not see him on the field next year as a chief. Esp. since we are well on our way to great things for this football team.
That is a good point...
maybe they want people to think of Cassell or someone else as teh face of the Chiefs. Clean slate and all.
I hate it, but ...
Remember we are building for the future. WE all want a 2nd rounder this year, but a 2nd rounder is a 2nd rounder. Maybe this really is the max we could get.
wow...I'm speechless!
It’s not going to be the same without him!
Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations
Nope.
Diva written all over him, not gonna happen
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Already said that....
But ya, i hope thats how it works out.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
See Cardinals Offense last year...
It is obvious that the TE is not featured in this system yet it will prosper….
+1
once the initial shock is over with, any 2nd round pick will be decent. perspective
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
No it really wont.
I would rather have forced his ass to play here for 2 more years.
2 years of TG production isn’t worth anything we will pick up in round 2 next year.
Oh okay mayyybe there is a chance we can get an HOF in the 2nd round of next years draft. No likely though.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
spoken like a true fan :)
I still think it was the right move
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
There was no guarantee
that TG was going to be as productive under Haley anyway.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
by Buck'O on Apr 23, 2009 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
I wanted TG here as much as
the next person, but TG is not going to play forever.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Haley's offense last year...
had 31 TE receptions between like…5 guys…Not exactly a frequent target…
I feel ya dawggg
But Arizona also didn’t have Tony Gonzales. Not really a fair comparison. You really don’t Haley would have utilized a weapon like TG?
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
by Jux on Apr 23, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
Kinda.
I see what your saying but its really hard to determine if Hal
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
I really think we'll use that 2nd round as ammunition for something in the draft this year.
Also I’m friggen’ jacked to see Cottom play. I think the dudes going to be stellar, obviously not as good as TG though.
"The spirit, the will to win, and the will to excel are the things that endure. These qualities are so much more important than the events that occur." - Vince Lombardi
I like Cottam, don't get me wrong
but he’s not TG and we got bent over on this deal.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I beg to differ. Cottam is going to be
a stud. He is slightly taller than TG too, and Matt Cassel is known to throw high if he is not on target, which makes him a better option
Shake 'n' Bake
by Husker'n'Chief on Apr 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
This Sux
"I will fight you!"
"What is your weapon?"
"My bare hands!"
"That is stupid. I will use a sword and I will cut off your bare hands."
Hmm...
maybe Pioli wasn’t worried because he has a trade partner lined up for Waters for a pick this year?
Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations
that's what I'm wondering...
Inifinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations
by carthagechief on Apr 23, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
+10000
They lost all their LB’s, and Matt Ryan is ripe for a Sophomore slump
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Yep,
how can Ryan duplicate his numbers from last year?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Did you not watch football last year?
Atlanta was one of the biggest surprises of 2008. Adding the best TE in the history of the NFL to their roster with Roddy White already on the field while Matt Ryan drops bombs all over the place is only going to make them that much more of a contender. They won’t win the SB in 2009 but they could easily cause some serious problems in the playoff race.
Even if Pioli has a 2nd rounder lined up we still gave TG up for less than he’s worth to us.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Yes I watched last season.
It is possible Ryan hits this slump as well.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
NFL Network's run enough commercials to make us hate him...
“Before the playoffs….” [rewind footage] ….guhhhhhh
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 23, 2009 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
UMMM, oh shit?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Now I want the Falcons to win the Super Bowl
Tony you go get a ring.
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions
I'd rather the Chiefs did
I’m loyal to the team, not the players.
Yeah...
But you gotta feel sorry for him. Chiefs come first, but this would be a fine alternative
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry for him?
He makes more $ in one game than I make in a year. And there is no guarantee how a team will fare the next season. Look at the Giants this past year, everyone thought they were set for a repeat. Am I pissed at TG? No. But I don’f feel sorry for him either.
Oh my god I am so Mad at Pioli (Sarcasm)
For getting the best value available for Tony. He wanted to be gone. Let him go. 2nd rounder is a a 2nd rounder every year. We will need it next year too. I bet the guys with the inside information know more about this than we do. I am holding judgment until I see the team on the field.
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 1:53 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Exactly. I’m guessing that they know more than we do. Just a hunch.
+1
We got a good deal. Yeah it sucks he’s gone and yeah it suck that the pick is for next year but players are expendable. You can’t run a team the way a fan thinks.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Thank God
Some of us have sense. I was going to have to channel that dude from the Airplane movie: “Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.” or “looks like I picked the wrong day to stop taking horse tranquilizers”
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
haha
i use that sniffing glue quote all the time
by The DBowe Show on Apr 23, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed
can you +1 another posts’ +1? Does that make it a 1.5?
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
+2
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Fubar
We just got worse.
If there isn’t anything else to this deal or Pioli doesn’t flip it then we just got worse.
We lost our best player THIS year for a rookie NEXT year.
We would be better off this year trading him for a 3rd rounder this year, making a good pick and having a solid 3rd round player entering his 2nd year in 2010.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Frees up more cap space
and we got the value out of him while we could. Haley’s system wasn’t all that TE friendly. Plus they guy got what he wanted. It’s not that bad.
This could do wonders for bringing in a guy like Peppers.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Now you done it
trade the O for the D :)
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that we need cap room...
But exactly, we get value now. Who knows what he will be worth next year, but I am guessing it isn’t a second rounder. Plus stock piling picks is always a good idea.
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually
It takes up cap space on this years cap. Frees it up for future seasons, but trading TG, b/c all of his pro-rated bonus money is dumped on this years cap will actually make his cap # higher than if he’d have played on our team this year.
And to get Peppers, we’d have to deal picks…Pioli’s not doing this, so its not happening.
A second was as much as we could have got.
Would have rather kept him, but I think it was done mostly to please Tony.
I won’t be suprised if Pioli trades this pick on the weekend to try and get a pick in this years draft.
Essentially - this trade was Gonzalez for Cassel and Vrabel
Of course it depends on where the Falcons’ 2nd round pick ends up in 2010 – but I think this makes the trade easier to swallow.
If it makes you feel better then thats fine.
But that isn’t really what it’s like. Pioli made the cassel deal without having to touch TG, and he did anyway. Im gonna wait and see what he does with the pick this weekend, but if we are picking in next years draft with it I will be very disappointed.
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
No it wasn't,
Our second was practically a first. This second will practically be a 3rd. 1st rnd pick > 3rd rnd pick.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
More to the story?
I think there is going to be more to the story that will come out later.
Toby J. Neal
Similar to the "Vrabel" trade
wouldn’t doubt it
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Didn't Tony want to go to a contender?
This makes sense, and is probably the best deal for us. The Falcons out of all the possible “contenders” from this previous year, look like they might regress compared to all the others, making their pick higher than any other team.
There’s no reason to think the sky is falling, we don’t know how he was going to be used in Haley’s new offense.
by Chiefs n Chopper on Apr 23, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions
hmm 2010?
there’s always the possibility it will be a better pick
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
This is ridiculous
Is it being too optimistic to think we could be the next worst to first team? Especially in the AFC West, how does Jason Taylor feel about leaving the Dolphins.
I sure hope Cottam can do something, because we are resorting to the business side by giving him up, loyalty and pride dont got far in this league anymore. I feel we win 8 games next year with Tony, without, we will be lucky to win five.
DH - Austin, TX
I feel like
That is a ridiculous comment. I feel like there is a ton more to this than just we love Tony G. Tony G. didn’t want to be here anymore. He may have been planning to hold out for all we know. The Chiefs (the team) that I love will be better next year than they were this last year. Period.
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions
not the case
This has nothing to do with we love tony ryan, this has to do with this is the NFL, equal playing field, the only league in which teams can make such drastic turnarounds, well with the exception of the Raiders, but anyway, he was under contract, and never mentioned not reporting to the Chiefs, unless he was told not to. I dont believe filling a hole with a hole is the right thing to do (my opinion).
DH - Austin, TX
Never mentioned it to who?
Never mentioned it to you? To the press? That is my point. We have no earthly idea what is said at Arrowhead. None. But what we do know does point to him being unhappy and wanting out. And based on the response of the fans here, had he decided to hold out, the majority of use would not have held it against him. So he held the cards. If he wanted out, he could leave. If he didn’t then he would have stayed. Getting a 2nd rounder, at all, for him, is easily the best value we could get.
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Ryan
I agre w/ almost everything you’ve said b/c although I’m writing this thru teary eyes the 2nd pick next is maybe the best pick we could’ve gotta but what exactly makes you think that Tony G would not have reported to camp. Even last year when he “demanded” a trade and didnt get one and was mad @ the then current regime he still came in and performed.
When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that name everything, the IBM Stellar Sphere, the Microsoft Galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
I'd be fine with 9-7 or 10-6 and competiting for the divsion title
Kinda fits what Pioli has said in the beginning....
I wanna find players “THAT WANT TO BE HERE!”
Not the best 53, but the right 53
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions
OH OH MAYBE
it’s a conditional that coud turn into a first next year…. Iunno that’s just me being optimistic
Time is a great teacher... unfortunately it kills all it's pupils.
This is why to Chiefs always sucks.. Stupid moves like this… Congrats to the new regime on keeping the Chiefs at the bottom on the NFL!!!
uh
The Chiefs won the Super Bowl in 1970 “always suck” I guess ins’t true, they were good 40 years ago..
Worst part of this trade
Falcons refused to take Larry Johnson as part of the deal.
by Black and Gold on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM CDT reply actions 7 recs
+ 1000000000
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it a joke though?
Sorry, I’m kind of in a daze right now.
Nope....
They are both solid players….i am not a sensationalist…I know what we have and we will be fine…
Engram is solid
Bradley is still jello. He can prove me wrong in the first few games though
"...Said he couldn't go on the American way"
+1
I’ll also clarify that I’m in no way complaining because I felt like TG was worth a 1st rounder or anything stupid like that. I’m pissed off about this trade because it’s a 2010 2nd rounder that will, in all likelihood, end up being in the bottom 3rd of the round. We could have gotten more out of the trade than a late 2nd next year like, oh I dunno, a 3rd rounder this year?
I’ve said it already but I’ll say it again, there’s got to be something missing from the report that makes all of the pieces fit together.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
As a Cal grad (same year as Gonzo) and Tony Gonzalez fan
I’m bummed by this move. I have always thought of him as a Chief and while I wish him well in Atlanta, it just won’t be the same. I’m still pulling for you guys (as long as you don’t beat out the Colts…)
God Speed, TG - I'll watch your HOF speech with pride...
…but where are we going to get another 1,000yds of receiving this season?
Run Run Pass Punt, repeat as needed for 60 min.
Superbowl
I thought Tony wanted to win a Superbowl? Is that going to happen with the Falcons?
by Ms. Arrowhead Pride on Apr 23, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Ms. AP with her always insightful questions
If TG wants to play another couple years, I think the Chiefs have just as good of a shot as the Falcons…
by Joel Thorman on Apr 23, 2009 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Falcons certainly have a better shot to compete for a title in 2009
2010? Remains to be seen.
Noooo!
I’m so mad! How’s that for insightful?
by Ms. Primetime07 on Apr 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Now a Ms. AP?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Ya we know about Ms. AP ... Chris has been talking about his Nuptials before.
I guess they haven’t done the tying of the knot yet? ’Coz its still Ms not Mrs. (see I was paying attention)
Its the Ms PT 07 that’s got me whiffed.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too, PT holdin out on us.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Not the best move
but I wouldn’t complain if Crabtree were wearing the Red and Gold by 3:30 Saturday.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Sad to see Tony go... He will always be a Chief. Best of luck in ATL.
Guess it’s time to see what Cottam can do.
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
I take this move as a sign
that Pioli, Haley, et al have a lot of confidence in Cottom’s talent. His frame alone is so massive that he can beat anyone in the NFL for a jump ball.
Crabtree
I have officially joined the crabtree movement… our passing and receiving game just went down tremendously…SHIT…this sucks so bad….i grew up watching tg and hoped he’d win a super bowl, or atleast finish his career here.
by ChiefsFanInTexas on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions
Idiots.
And just like that, in one single, stupid move, the Pioli regime just lost any and all good will they might’ve garnered.
This is a dumb trade. You gave away your new QB’s best weapon for a pick that doesn’t even benefit you this year and will, most likely, be at the bottom of the second round.
Dumb. Dumb dumb dumb.
That is how all of Belichick's early personnel moves looked too..
…how quickly Chiefs fans lose confidence is always surprising…
agreed
im agreeing with you on all your comments on this thread, woodman
by The DBowe Show on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Give me a reason for confidence.
Seriously.
1) We got Cassel. Woohoo. He may or may not be as good as advertised.
2) We replaced a bunch of aging veterans with … a bunch of aging veterans who give us a season or two, at best.
3) Our Defensive coordinator situation was a huge cluster——, and the guy who we’ve got in charge now isn’t any better — and could arguably even be worse — than the guy we sent packing at the end of the season.
4) We’ve just shipped our best offensive weapon away, leaving our shiny new QB with one receiver. Oh, and if you want to replace they guy you just traded, you’ve gotta wait until next year to even try.
by JacinB on Apr 23, 2009 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Because you are negative nellie.:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
I hate this move...Hate it
If we grab crabtree then I start being okay with it..
Cottam is gonna be fine..He’s no Tony G..But I think Cottam will be a legit player in this league
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 23, 2009 2:51 PM CDT up reply actions
ITs just a knee jerk reaction...
Kinda of like the Jets fans after the draft pick was made……The Jets select Kyle BRady! …WHAT!….NOOoooooo…..
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope everyone has their huggies on cuz from looking at this post everyone has shit
their pants
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
by sexassassin on Apr 23, 2009 2:04 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Falcons in the Superbowl???
I know we have heard this for some time now, but what is TG really thinking? That he will somehow single-handedly turn around the Falcons franchise in a year, maybe two before he retires and go to the super bowl!!! He is smokin some raunch! Sorry Tony, but I have lost mucho respect for you. Really, I already had from all the whining. This just added to it. At least we have Cottam. He has major potential.
On another note
I had dinner at the table next to TG at Houstons on the Plaza right after the season was over I believe 2 years ago. The season we squeaked into the playoffs on luck. Anyway, I got to eat my dinner while listening to Tony whine to his agent, or someone about getting traded to Seattle, or Minnesota. Needless to say, TG has been on his way out for way too long. I say if you are not into playing for the Chiefs… See ya.
by NorthwestChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah .... not yet.....
Still got Cassel and Vrabel for only a 2nd round this year.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Chase Coffman?
We now have a 2nd round pick from this. He did great things at Mizzou. Chances he lands in Kansas City?
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 2:06 PM CDT reply actions
2nd round NEXT year
Brad Cottom will be the replacement.
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
OH it was only a matter of time
And then we could get Chase Daniel and Chase Patton to throw to him. YAY!
OK
I feel like an idiot now
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I am watching Carl Peterson's Twitter like a Hawk
If you don’t follow him on Twitter, you should. It is entertaining to say the least….
carl_peterson is his profile name or whatever
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 2:07 PM CDT reply actions
Yea...
I tried to ask him if he thinks it was a good trade but I htink he has to be following ME to ask him…i duno I am dumb…
He isn't following me either
But Is send him stuff from time to time. Seems like he does genuinely miss being involved. Kinda feel bad for him honestly, on a personal level. It’s like when the emperor realizes he isn’t wearing any clothes.
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I think so.
I am pretty new to Twitter, but have to agree. I am pretty sure it is actually him. Maybe not. But it doesn’t seem like a fake.
by ryan_andersen98 on Apr 23, 2009 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Any good TE's in the draft class?
We just gave up the best in the game. Sad to see him go, but I know it would come some day.
Pettigrew
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Well he got his wish..Falcons to the SB.
I’m betting we get there before them.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
The dude is a giant
I am excited to see him play this year… but it will definitely feel like something is missing.
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
i'd rather lose him now
and get a first day draft pick for him than have him be upset during a rebuild and retire before we reach that playoff-win goal. Tony, I wish you well, and you gave us some great years. Can’t wait to see your name in the ring
Say goodbye to Waters, and LJ.
I think these two will be traded as well. LJ, may just be released, Pioli just made a statement by this move. If you do not want to be a Chief, and we can get some value, see ya.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
LJ may be gone but he did show up for the minicamp unlike Tony and Brian
you don't have to win and you don't need to fight. Supertramp
by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
I think you're right
Might as well rip the bandaid off now while there’s no pressure. Nobody is going to demand a playoff berth this year. Next year expectations will be substantially higher and this kind of a move will be even tougher to make.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Maybe that is the only deal he could make!
Pioli said they wanted round 2 and he did. We are rebuilding fellas, it doesn’t matter if its next year! He will still be rebuilding then. Love the trade. Hate to see TG go.
Better now than never...
unf., the good teams get rid of players a year too soon, rather than a year too late.
Good Luck TG!
Sooner or later
all things come to an end. I’ll miss watching him snatch the ball away from 2 defenders in traffic. I’ve never seen a receiver with hands like his.
On the practical side, better to recycle him for a first day draft pick (this year or next) than have his career flame out and we can’t get anything for him.
Yes
I have one ready to go. I will post it in a few minutes.
by Joel Thorman on Apr 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Make sure one of the options is ...
on the order of “this is upsetting, but I trust Pioli knows what he is doing”.
I will hold judgement until the draft is over
This may be part of a master plan that Pioli has cooking. With the history of Pioli’s last stomping ground I am not so quick to judge. Remember the Pats traded a 4th rounder for Randy Moss.
I won't.
This sucks.
I will be the first to admit I am wrong if something cool happens. Till then I am seriously pissed off.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 23, 2009 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah,
I’m not happy with this either. He was so much a part of our personality, our identity. And for a future draft pick? What if they go all the way, or to the playoffs again…
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You act like someone killed your dog
Tony wanted out! How can you fault the organization for giving him what he wanted? Tony will go to a team that seems to be on the up, although IMO they will be worse this year. Good luck Tony but sometimes the grass is not always greener.
Damn
We’ve hashed and rehashed Tony’s value. But for all of that, he’ll be missed! But not seeing him in a Chief’s uniform… I dunno, he was the face of the team, for so long.
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:15 PM CDT reply actions
Do we play the Falcons this year?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Nope, not during the season...we'll beat them in the playoffs tho.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Remember that this is Pioli's history
They have done this many many times – trading fan favorites and great guys away just BEFORE their career declines – getting the most value before it is too late. It hurts, bad, but it has worked for them in the past.
Good point, even trades to division rivals (BIlls) happened
could this be a precursor to Bills trade this year?
by Your_Moms_Boyfriend on Apr 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
This feels like a punch to the chest
I wish we had more recent succeses to take the sting out of this. Multiple dissappointing seasons make this a bitter pill to swallow
Anquan Boldin?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
For our new
2nd rounder that would be a hell of a turn around No way it would happen but then it’d be a shove in the face.
Maybe that, and another future
pick based on performance?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
wouldn't be surprising
I think he’d play for Haley, there’s respect there. But he’s not an adequate replacement.
Does Haley's offense really feature the tight end?
It seems he likes a lot of recievers.
he is pure recievers and thats why i feel like he just wanted to get what he could out of tony
it makes sense to me ya it sucks that its next year but it could be huge for us just remember the feeling we had when we had 2 first rounders last year it gave us so much more flex .
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Ya like I have been saying im a huge tony fan for sure but
if he didnt want to be here then fuck it move on .And like I said earlier today. Get ready for shock and get ready for change . Haley doesnt even use a tight end in his recieving core . And like I said earlier he is chasing a dream of playing in a super bowl and he is going to the falcons the falcons???? Dude let me tell you this good luck falcons you ave a good man on your hands but the chiefs will take that second round pick and it might turn out to be the best pick in kc history we will all look back and say hey tony was a legend but we have a new guy that can play for many more years.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
+1 ...Life goes on...
Agreed that
Haley doesnt even use a tight end in his recieving core.
I think that if you wanted value from TG now is the time to do it. He would of lost a lot of value if teams knew that he would be the odd man out in Haley’s offense.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS IS WHAT I POSTED LAST WEEK
I can feel it to its like this guy knows what he wants he can care less about
what jersey sells the best or who the fan favorite is . He wants to win its about time we all get on the band wagon of sucess because its leaving lj tony g waters and any other player behind that is not looking to be a team player . prepare to see fireworks prepare to crack that framed tony g signature jersey . He most likely will go to some loser team where he wont even sniff the playoffs and we will be getting a new player who will want to be hear and play hard. In the end pioli has dreams of holding a super bowl trouphy.
FOUR F'S FIND UM FEEL UM FUGUM FORGET UM.
Well, the falcons won themselves a new fan
I always kind of liked the falcons and I was pulling for them after Vick seemingly destroyed their franchise for the short term. I’ll be making a point to try and catch every game I can on the Sunday ticket.
Remember Ty Law folks?
NE released him after the SB win and it put the NFL on it’s ears…Pioli knows when to release players.
I’m a TG fan, but this is bid’niss.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
correction...TRADE...not release
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Put your clothes on.:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
The question isn't
whether it was the right time to get rid of him though, it’s whether we got enough value for him or not. A 3rd rounder this year (which was on the table and denied according to some sources) is worth more to us than a 2nd next year unless ATL falls apart and enters the race for a bottom-10 finish.
If you don’t want to be a chief then you can get the hell out but agreeing to trade players for less than they’re worth just doesn’t make sense. He isn’t worth a 2009 2nd rounder to anyone other than the Chiefs this year but letting him go for a 2010 late 2nd, despite TG’s performance this season, isn’t a smart move considering how much he would have meant to our offense in 2009.
Either we don’t have all the information (the most likely scenario) or Pioli just gave the fans a huge middle-finger.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Something else is coming,
I can feel it.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Amen
We need him or we need a pick now.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Too short-sighted....
We are building a team from the foundation….we are not one guy away…This is not Carl Peterson-style anymore…
This is all the information
The Chiefs released a statement confirming the deal.
The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Thursday that the club has traded TE Tony Gonzalez to Atlanta in exchange for a second-round selection in the 2010 NFL Draft.
It’s done, thats it. Now we have to accept it. Its going to be tough.
Falcons will suck! They will take a huge step back, kind of like the Jags.
They were supposed to be awesome last year! They will think their awesome and just like any young team lose focus!
so this is gonna be like
Jason Taylor going to the Skins? You think?
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I do
When the initial rumors started a weed or two ago I thought that exact thing.
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
"weed"? ....lol. Been a long time waiting for the draft Buck'O, I know ;)
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Doh! Lol
Wishfull thinking on my part i guess. hahaha
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wishful thinking
or a freudian slip? :)
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions
little of both maybe
lol
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THANK YOU TONY
And what a show Atlanta will put on next year with Ryan and TG.
Crappy pick though. 2nd round next year.
KC fans cannot have any ill will towards Tony. He’s done everything(include save lives). Any fan should be able to wear his jersey and feel a sense of pride for having such an amazing player on the team for such a long time.
I wish him well, he’s forever part of the Chiefs family.
I bet the trade has some lines in regards to "perfromance"
If TG plays well I wonder if we get another pick?
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
why is a 3rd worth more this year??
not being a smarta$$, I really don’t know. Are we one draft (this one) away from being a contender? Are the projected players in the third this year better than the ones in the second next year?
someone explain this for me.
It's not...it's a GREAT trade considering that we have some LB's that will only be here for 1-2 years
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Because
with Tony Atlanta will probably win a playoff game, thus making our 2nd round pick we just got for Tony essentially a 3rd rounder anyway.
Then we get a rookie next year at the back end of the 2nd, instead of a 3rd round pic this year that we can develop now!
Instead our offense just got worse and we got jack for it this year.
And honestly, this year is the year that matters in the NFL. Always will.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 23, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody knows about next year...
Typically, a third rounder this year is worth a second next…
I think most are just sad that we’re losing a known quantity for something unknown NEXT year.
"I don't know if I want to go to New York. They'll have to pay me a lot more money because I like it here in Kansas City." -- Roger Maris
It's also trade fodder for this year
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just a question
what type of pick were all you disappointed/angry folks expecting for Tony? a first rounder this year? just out of curiosity…
No...
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
2nd is a great trade...mroe than Carl was offered by the Falcons before the trade deadline...he was offered a 3rd then.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
It's more of a loss now,
for a potential to come. Its hard to say what would make it worth it, as with the draft you gamble. Whereas we knew what we had with him. I’m not saying it wasn’t his time to go (although I have mixed emotions) I’m saying that he will be missed. And for that I’m bummed.
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
What we got is something I expected. We have no idea if his next season we be even average or slightly above-average.
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
2md rounder
this f ing year.
no #2 no deal, we keep the guy and he produces for us.
That was my hope
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 23, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
but
would you be upset if we packaged that 2010 2nd rounder in a deal to move back into this year’s first round?
by The DBowe Show on Apr 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Like I said if Pioli flips it somehow and turns it into value for our team now I’ll be cool with it.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it hurts..
It hurts a bit, but I wish Tony the best of luck. A 2nd round next year is acceptible. Unexpected, too. Pioli is a patient guy. Perhaps that’s been the key to his success.
And for all intensive purposes,
next year’s draft will be great.
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope so
Seems like the 2010 draft is forever away…
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
hell it took forever to get to this years...
and we had a helluva exciting offseason as it was. Wish I had me some of Pioli’s patience.
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
His patience is uncanny and is probably a huge reason for his success in NE
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
Dude you just like to argue.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Well put
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
We aren't the Patriots!
We are the frikin Chiefs. WE havent won any super bowls in the last million years and we DONT have a good team.
It is fine and dandy to trade guys for future picks when you know you are going to win THIS year anyway. It isn’t ok when you have sucked most of the decade!
screw the Patriots.
Paddy
by Patrick Allen on Apr 23, 2009 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Get used to it Patrick
In essence we are in the shadow of Bill Parcell’s. The Pats were built around his philosophy and the guys in the front office and coaching staff are a reflection of that.
It’ll be the Chiefs way one day…but until Pioli makes a name BY HIMSELF at the helm, that’s how people will view it.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Wow, I would say the Pats have had a pretty good run.
Hey its gonna be ok. The Patriots hae always delt this way with Free agents and disgruntaled players. “Don’t wanna play for us? You want more money than the fair contract we have offered? There is the door.” – The Patriots Way
which is now the Chiefs way.
So we aughtta get used to it.
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody just relax!
There is no way Pioli would let Tony go without haveing something going on in the background. Any way, its hard to have a fresh start with the same people. this is painfull, but it is time. i knew it would nt last forever. Tony was ready to go, I say good luck man. maybe we will see ya in the big bowl.
Toby J. Neal
Our offense is gonna have to step up...
But the question is: can they?
Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway - An Onymous
by ratherfantastic on Apr 23, 2009 2:26 PM CDT reply actions
Check out my FanPost...
I had too much to say for it to be a comment….and it kept getting over-looked….
Check ’er out
haha...
well I just keep saying the same damned thing over and over on here….and just want people to get what I am trying to say…
i did feel like that when I put that, for sure hahah
Dont know what to think
I would rather have this years with how deep this draft is but i hope its part of something bigger
Fuck Pioli!
This pisses me off.
If they were not willing to give up their second for this year…No deal!
Man
Some people really have a hard time with delayed gratification. The world isn’t ending after this season (at least I hope not) — the Chiefs need to draft players next year, too.
Did anyone think we were winning the Super Bowl this year anyway? This is a move for the future, and it’s a smart one.
I'm Sorry To See Tony Go
He’s a Hall of Fame player and an all-time great, both for the NFL and the Chiefs. But at this point, I think a 2nd round pick is fair compensation, his value to the Chiefs is questionable (as there’s been talk that TE will be less important in the new offense) and he’s near the end of his career.
GMs in the NFL have a choice…they can do what’s popular or what’s right. Sometimes if they’re lucky they can do both. This wasn’t one of those times and the decision they made was the right one.
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
by UCrawford on Apr 23, 2009 2:33 PM CDT reply actions 2 recs
You got to admit it would've been much harder to see him go had some thigns not been said
I think it’s a lot easier consdiering the history of this last year.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Excellent P.O.V.
Rec’d
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
Why is it when UC
chimes in he gets rec’d even tho it’s what we been saying :) haha jk UC. You hit the nail on the head.
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
no shit huh?!
hahaha
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His value is questionable..ya i quit reading your post after I saw that
I guess questionable to you means he’s gonna be an allstar and the most productive player on our team..
But yea you make a lot of sense
by CALIFAN1986 on Apr 23, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup...Questionable
Our new offensive-minded coach ran an offense the last two years that doesn’t feature the tight end and focuses instead on a 3rd receiver. Our new QB worked in an offense that didn’t feature the TE. So yes, it’s questionable logic to assume that if he’d stayed he was going to be as valuable to the offense this year as he was last year.
he’s gonna be an allstar and the most productive player on our team
When the most productive member of your team is a 33 year old tight end who doesn’t want to be here, your team probably needs to look at moving in a different direction and a 2nd round pick goes a lot further towards addressing that than keeping the 33 year old tight end will.
But yea you make a lot of sense
Thanks…it takes a big man to admit that he’s seriously considered other viewpoints and changed his opinion. Glad you were finally able to make that leap. :)
Predictions for 2009
1. Todd Haley's going to struggle with managing his staff in his rookie year as head coach.
2. The Lions will draft Matt Stafford, the Rams will draft Jason Smith, and the Chiefs will draft either Aaron Curry or Eugene Monroe.
3. Maurice Carthon will be the most hated man on the Chiefs' coaching staff within two years.
Oh boy....now you've done it.... here we go....
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Falcons GM on ESPN talking about the trade right now
"I can only imagine what it is going to be like in that town if we are fortunate to build a winner. You win there, you can sense that it would be something really special." - Todd Haley
Just got back from a haircut
I trust Pioli got the best deal he could.
Here’s to one of the Greatest Chiefs of all time….
Lechiam!
Now if we could only convert Hebrew into English and make it “to the chiefs” as opposed to “to life” close enough tho…
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
What a way
to start off on a shitty day
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 23, 2009 2:35 PM CDT reply actions
You still challenging that guy?:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Is it too early
to start the bring back Herm chants? ; ^ )
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 23, 2009 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Now you on crack?
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Imagine if Carl and Herm did this..the torches would light up the sky at Arrowhead!
:)
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
Thats why I hit the rocks
Carl & Herm would never do this. Ever.
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 23, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Do not want to relive
the nightmare that was Herm Edwards.
Now hopefully this team is fun to watch again! Thanks Scott, Clark!!
LOL...Carl was only offered a 3rd rounder
Pioli could sell used jock straps to the NFL for a profit.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
He was offered a 2nd from Buffalo
but TG veto’d
Attn Todd Haley: "DO U WANNA FIGHT ME!?"
by KansasCityShuffle on Apr 23, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
part of me hopes atlanta falls apart
“But I’m looking forward to making a Super Bowl run in Atlanta every year for the next three or four years. With Matt Ryan, Michael Turner, Roddy White and now myself, we have the chance to be in the top five in the league in offense every year. How could I not be excited to join that team?”
haha
Normin, stormin, reforming. I think that’s how it goes.
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions
NP...I do.I'm sure most others understand as well. I'm still pissed at some of the things he said, so it's easier for me.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
I'm not upset that he's leaving
for that very reason. He said a lot of things that I’m still not happy with and that makes it easier for me to accept his absence. What pisses me off is what ATL gave up to get him from us. If Pioli has plans to flip that pick into pick(s) this year and pulls it off, great, I’ll support it 100% but that falls into the “missing information” category I’ve mentioned already.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
I agree...
They keep saying he will be a leader off the field but….they are in for a surprise…
Im sorry, this is heresy but leader’s dont act like Tony….Leader’s are there in the offseason at voluntary camps…Leader’s dont whine about a record after breaking a loss streak…They will see
Exactly
He’s not a leader for this team, he may have been the face (by default, he was a lot less prominent as the face of KC earlier in his career when we had true leaders on the team still) but he sure as hell wasn’t leading any of our young guys down the right path to being a professional football player.
He has kept his complaining quiet (usually) but he has been complaining nonethless since at least the 07 season. Getting him out of here and removing the potentially negative effects of his whining in the locker room is a good thing. Moving him for a 2nd rounder next year that may or may not even be in the top half of the round though, is not.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Help me guys I am so depressed
I need something positive. What do you gys think Pioli has on the stove? He must have something cooking.
Paddy
We got a 2nd round pick for him
That’s pretty damn good compensation. ;)
Braccae illae virides cum subucula rosea et tunica Caledonia-quam elenganter concinnatur!
Dude...let me assure you
This team will NEVER EVER EVER be complacent at JUST making it to the playoffs like in years before.
You’ll never EVER see another Chiefs team under Pioli walk into the playoffs and lose the way they did against the Colts 2 years ago. Totally lacking confidnec like they did.
Chin up.
Bill Parcell’s: "You are what your record says you are."
"My job is not to collect talent, but to build a team. Individuals make the Pro Bowl. Teams win championships. That is our goal."—Chiefs GM Scott Pioli.
Huh?
The trade is no shock, but….
…for a 2nd rounder?
…in 2010
You got to be kidding me….
We was robbed…
nah
we got a starter for 5 years and they got a starter for maybe 2… and he may not be hall of fame caliber next year, either. We’ll be alright. This year might suck though.
No...No...NE was robbed!
We just got screwed….by a 65 yr old whore….with no teeth
Hey look in the bright side…..we still got laid :)
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
How about line from Parcells book.....
She’s been traded….
Just kidding….I hate to see Tony go, but he wanted out. No need to fix something or hold on to someone when they wanted out.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm still in Shock mode....
But that’s a lonely picture of Tony by his locker.
It’ll be sad not to see him take the field as a Chief!
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I've got more Parcells for ya...
"Rex Grossman. An arm only a Jewish mother could love, I’m telling ya."
"Bill Bellichick. Love him like the brother I wish I never had."
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
THIS IS
BULLSHIT!!!! You don’t trade an Icon!!! HALL OF FAMER!!!!! I feel so sick in my stomach!! Just a terrible move,…and for him to say he will be competing for a superbowl in ATL,…whateva!!! He could have been doing that here in 2 or 3 years!! certainly 4!!! Jux fucking SuX!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry for the language,…I’m sure you all for my pain!!
our team
had a few bright spots ovre the years. Waters, TG, Roaf, TRich. Players move on. Unfortunately, we’ll building long term. And, we’ll win more than 2 games without TG. He was one of our chips that we traded. Waters may be next.
This is such
BS, Should have gooten a better deal. 2nd RD Pick for next year and that’s it!! Totally sucks!!1
What would you have been happy with
I mean realistically what and who would’ve offered us more than a second?
by Eastcoastransplant on Apr 23, 2009 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe ahh I don't know......... a BJ from the finest secretary in the office?
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by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
There was a 3rd on the table
and further interest from several teams as well. Those offers spanned from last season up until last week or so. Any of them would have been a better option here. 2009 3rd rounder > 2010 2nd rounder.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Don Pioli is a stand up guy....
C’mon he helped us out by getting a 2nd round pick, yeah it sucks its for next year. But he also sent Tony to a legitmate contending team.
If Pioli really was business only, and wanted to screw Tony for opening his mouth he could of sent him to Buffalo.
Opinions are like A--holes, everyones got one.
by aPacificChief on Apr 23, 2009 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
The Problem with Pioli's history with NE and trading superstars away
is that they were in a position where they didn’t truly need picks for that year. They were always stacked enough to be able to trade for future picks. This team needs players now. While I wasn’t expecting playoff contention this year, I was expecting us to be better than our record this year. With the possibility of trading our three best offensive players away by the end of the weekend, this team is gonna be brutal to watch this season.
No, i get that
But there seems to be lots of mixed signals with Pioli’s signings so far. Thomas and Goff. One year stop gaps to keep things held together. Trading away our best offensive weapon seems like it is just going to do alot of harm, especially to Cassel’s development.
While I think we will get some good value next year, it will just be hard to see them struggle for yet another year.
by Chief Seattle on Apr 23, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
The worst part about it
is that we’ve seen Tony’s last TD catch for the Chiefs. Sadly, it doesn’t come to mind at the moment.
This is Horrible!
I knew this was going to happen and I never wanted it to.
I am only glad I got to see him play his final 4 home games as a chief. He dominated as usual and go the loudest roar from the crowd during introductions.
Sad, Sad Day!
It is a new Era at Arrowhead. I do not yet know if it is one of greatness or one of ineptitude. I am excited to see which way it goes, and will support my team until the end, bitter or sweet!
I'm not sad he's gone
But I am annoyed that we gave him up for a 2nd rounder in 2010 rather than settle on a 3rd in 2009. Why do you make that choice? Why was the decision made to take a 2nd in 2010 over a 3rd in 2009? That question is the best excuse I have right now for believing there’s more to this trade that we don’t know about yet.
Bask in the glory that is Kwame Harris. Poor Alex...
Ouch!
I FEEL LIKE I JUST GOT KICKED IN THE JUNK!
This will take awhile to get over!
It is a new Era at Arrowhead. I do not yet know if it is one of greatness or one of ineptitude. I am excited to see which way it goes, and will support my team until the end, bitter or sweet!
Very smart move
Why? Because now you have sent a message to picks 4-12 that we could go absolutely any way we want at #3. Basically what we’ve done is “opened up the auctin house” for pick # 3. The more bidders, the better it gets.
Now we can pick Crabtree or….
Curry or…..
O Lineman or…..
Now…everyone that wants Curry, Crabtree and Sanchez are going to be bidding for #3. You just opened it up with more bidders.
Now we can stock pile more picks and build for this year.
Disagree!
This doens’t change our position or strategy at #3 at all!
Who we gonna pick Peddigrew!?
I think not.
Although this may be worth it in the long run, it would have been nice to see the greatest TE and arguably reciever in the history of the NFL to play his entire career with one team, the greatest organization in sports, the Kansas City Chiefs!
It is a new Era at Arrowhead. I do not yet know if it is one of greatness or one of ineptitude. I am excited to see which way it goes, and will support my team until the end, bitter or sweet!
Now that I have calmed down
and let the initial shock wear off, I don’t see Pioli moving TG this early without having more irons in the fire. We could have trades lined up for Waters and our 1st. His M.O. is as a draft pick horder so we should be pretty happy with the multiple picks in 2010. Pettigrew may be in their sights if we can effectively move down to mid 1st and get a 2nd, maybe more. Waters and our 1st should get a 1 and 2 maybe more. Sanchez looks to go with Seattle so we have pretty good leverage with our 1st.
They will draft a tide end late
It sucks but its a business. Emmitt didn’t look right in a Cardinal uniform. Niether did Jordan when he was scooting around with a wizard jersey. Tony G will have his name on the stadium and I hope to be there that day!!
This sucks
I find it hard to trust our personal people if they keep trading away/pissing off our few really good players (Pissing off waters).
Tony will always be a chief to me…
Best of luck in Atlanta old friend…
/cry :.(
Somebody remind me again how many playoff games the Chiefs won with Tony G?
If memory serves it’s still zero, right? Look, the guy is a great player and a total professional in every sense of the word, but we haven’t won anything significant in the time Tony was here.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
Why is this suddenly bad?
Tony gave us 12 years of some of the most amazing stuff the NFL has ever seen from a TE. Many of us had the priviledge to be fans throughout that period. And Tony’s legacy thus far carries huge post-season scars with it. His inability to elevate the Chiefs will permanently leave doubt over whether he was the truly the greatest.
For whatever reason, our support of trading Tony G. mid-season last year was a lot higher. I’m not sure what’s changed. He’s earned the shot at a SB ring and he’s been the victim of a poorly managed team for too long. This is the right time to part ways with him. He’ll get his chance for greatness and this trade also gives us a chance for greatness. Just not in 2009. I’m ok with that because I know that no matter what happens next year, I’ll still be a Chiefs fan.
So here’s to hoping Atlanta wins the Superbowl in 2009. (Assuming they don’t have to get through us…)
NOOOO=[=[
WHAT THE HELL! I LEAVE TO GO GET MY DOG FROM THE GROOMER AND COME BACK TO THIS CRAP?! THIS IS SUCH A BS CALL PIOLI. I HAD FULL TRUST IN HIM BUT WHAT THE HELL…NOT EVEN A PICK FOR THIS YEAR!!! I DO WISH TONY THE BEST BUT I CANT BELIEVE PIOLI DID THIS…WE COULD OF AT LEAST GOT RID OF WATERS…NOT TG!
I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT TO SAY. HEY WHILE WERE AT IT LETS TRADE CASSEL TOO! AND BETTER YET DWAYNE BOWE!
I HOPE PIOLI HAS SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE WITH THIS TRADE…BECAUSE IF NOT HES NOT STARTING ON MY GOOD SIDE…
GOOD LUCK IN ATLANTA TONY..HOPEFULLY YOU CAN HELP THEM WIN.
I am still wearing my On The Field #88 every Friday!
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
also...
i have doubts about the chiefs taking the division next year…before i read this i had high hopes but now i think were going to be i 3rd right behind denver…
Posting again, because I have to get this off of my chest.
I fucking blame Herm and I blame Carl for this. If Herm had not run KC into the ground with his fucking “Tampon Two,” “Bleed but Don’t Break” bullshit defense, this never would have happened. The fucking youth movement was a last-ditch effort by Peterson to save his own job. “So what if if it doesn’t work? I would have been out of a job anyways and who give shit if it wrecks the team, It won’t be my problem!” Well, here it is here is the result of the failed experiment. KC wins 6 games in two years and it drives away one of the greatest offensive talents the Chiefs and the league has ever had. If Carl hadn’t sold out the team to save his own ass, Tony would be a Chief until his retirement, a glimmering KC community volunteer after that and a staunch public supporter of the Chiefs for the next 30-40 years. Instead, we get what is essentially a 3rd round pick.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
Soybon, you were expecting Tony to play for the Chiefs on into eternity?
The guys has 2 or 3 productive years in him, if that. Tight ends are notorious for running out of gas once they turn 30. The Chiefs never won a playoff game with TG. Also, the youth movement wasn’t Carl’s idea. It was Herm’s. It was pretty obvious that Clark overruled Carl and sided with Herm on the way the team should be built.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
I don't think Tony will run out of gas
He takes care of himself, he is an absolute pro and i think he could play another couple years.
I’m tired of hearing “he was productive last year, even though he is 32” the dude almost had 100 catches and 10 td’s…as a TE, in the NFL, thats not “productive” thats hes a fucking hall of famer and he knows his shit. I doubt his production will fall off at all with the Falcs.
"A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week."
Rev,
Soybon, you were expecting Tony to play for the Chiefs on into eternity?
Actually, just until he retires like I said.
The guys has 2 or 3 productive years in him, if that. Tight ends are notorious for running out of gas once they turn 30.
When did I ever suggest otherwise. Even in his own words this two or three is more like three or four.
Tight ends are notorious for running out of gas once they turn 30.
I don’t really have time to look this one up, you could be right. However, the same “notoriety” could be applied to nearly any position in the NFL. Even if we set this aside. If TG had not asked for a trade, would you have come out asking him to be traded because, “Tight Ends run out of gas at 30… and … TG only has 2 or 3 years left.” NO. No way anybody would be suggesting we trade him. Which only supports my statement that because CP/HE screwed up so royally, with a core so depleted that there is no success in sight, TG wanted out.
Also, the youth movement wasn’t Carl’s idea. It was Herm’s.
As I no longer live in KC, I may have missed this aspect. My perception was that Carl never put up much of a fuss about any of the changes. Changes, which were entirely contrary to the way he had done business for the last 20 years. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that somebody who had his hand in every personnel decision in the last 20 years had nothing to say about the personnel decisions over the next (expected) few.
I've been rapping for about seveteen years okay? I don't write my stuff anymore I just kick it from my head you know what I'm sayin? I can do that. No disrespect but that's how I am.
I don't live in KC either, but I know the youth movement was Herm's idea.
It was in the newspaper. Herm convinced Clark that the team needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. Herm was right, but unfortunately Herm had no idea how to pull it off. I would say 30 is a pretty good age to start looking at player production. One of the major faults in the way Peterson ran the Chiefs was in rewarding loyalty with big money instead of productivity. One of the many things the Patriots have been masterful at over the past decade has been knowing when a player is being overpaid based on his productivity. Chiefs fans who are nostalgic and loyal to certain players might want to get emotionally prepared for this — favorites will be cut and/or traded so the team can succeed. It’s a rough business but there’s a reason why this franchise hasn’t been to the Superbowl in 40 years. Keep in mind that Pioli has won more Superbowls this decade than the Chiefs organization has won in its entire existence.
Toby is in HR, which technically means he works for corporate, so he's really not a part of our family. Also, he's divorced, so he's really not a part of his family.
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