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Chiefs 'in love' with LSU's Tyson Jackson?

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Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post says the scuttlebutt around league circles is that the Kansas City Chiefs are viewing LSU's Tyson Jackson very favorably.  Projected, as the first defensive lineman off the board by some, Jackson's size (6'4", 296 pounds) and experience (three year starter at LSU) make him one of the safest picks.

The word around the league is the Chiefs are in love with DE Tyson Jackson of LSU and see him as another Richard Seymour type.  Teams are worried (as I am) about Curry being just a Sam Backer and not an effective blitzer.

We've gone over the Curry argument time and time again so let's focus on Jackson for the time being.  We've heard and witnessed that Scott Pioli likes to build from the inside out.  Address the offensive and defensive line then plug in the rest of the pieces.

Rob Rang of NFL Draft Scout, who has Jackson as the #1 defensive end, says Jackson, not Curry, is the safest pick in the 2009 NFL Draft:

Jackson is not the traditional pass-rushing threat teams are looking for at defensive end, but don't expect that to keep him from ultimately being the first defensive lineman drafted.  Jackson is one of the few defensive lineman in the 2009 class to have the size and strength necessary to play outside in the 3-4 scheme and could even be moved inside to defensive tackle in the 4-3 alignment.  The position versatility and Jackson's three steady years as a starter for the Tigers make him, in one scouting director's estimate, "probably the safest defensive lineman of this draft."

Before you all scoff that defensive end in a 3-4 set isn't a premium position, let's step back in history to look at what Scott Pioli did with the highest draft pick he's ever had.  In 2001, while with the Patriots, Pioli and Bill Belichick used the sixth overall pick on Richard Seymour - a 3-4 defensive end.

Seymour of course has gone on to five Pro Bowls and three 1st team All-Pro selections.  "Worthy" of the sixth overall pick any day of the week.

We are unclear on where the Chiefs want to draft him though. Reports indicate that he could still be available when the Denver Broncos step to the podium with the 12th pick.  Plenty of mock drafts and league insiders speculate that he'll be in Denver if he makes it that far. 

If the Chiefs are as "in love" with him as Lombardi states, finding a way to make him a Chief will be a double whammy if we can also keep him away from a division rival.

It's not a sexy pick, like Aaron Curry or another outside linebacker, but it's a necessary pick.

Here are a few places he's been talked about:

WesternChief wonders if he'll be the Chiefs pick

#16 pick by the San Diego Chargers in the AP Community Mock Draft

Chiefs likely attend LSU Pro Day

Mocking the Draft scouting report

 

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Jackson, Monroe or curry

Only 6 more days to debate

by TonyG88 on Apr 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YES

I’ve been on the Tyson bandwaggon since we signed Zach Thomas and realized Maualuga probably won’t be picked. Immediate starter, he could pass rush like Seymour too. Great pick. Trade down to 10 and grab him.

by SayHeyWerd on Apr 19, 2009 11:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we traded down

Then I say heck yes let’s take him. Especially since he and Dorsey already know each other. At #3 though I really want a playmaker, and I don’t know if that’s this guy or not. I really see him as the missing piece of our line though if we have Dorsey-Tyler-?. Especially if McBride is being worked out with the linebackers.

by Vince D on Apr 19, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

McBride working out

with LB’s surprised me.

by TonyG88 on Apr 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not me.

I predicted it back in February.

I still love being able to say that.

by Vince D on Apr 19, 2009 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

You’ll be saying it a lot. Better bookmark that prediction.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 19, 2009 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have lol

And I’m probably gonna link it every time someone mentions Turk working out at linebacker lol

by Vince D on Apr 19, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

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by DThomasReigns on Apr 19, 2009 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still think

McBride will end up at 3-4 DE. Only thing hurting him is he’s shorter than you would prefer. Otherwise he fits the bill perfectly.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 19, 2009 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

In fact, I think that Turk can be a Seymore-lite if given the right coaching and worked into the right scheme.

Regarding Tyson Jackson though, if we’re practicing from a base 4-3 under, where is he gonna fit? He’s probably a little big and maybe a step slow to be a truly effective DE in a 4-3U scheme, and if we just transition to a 3-4, I think we squander Dorsey’s skill set. Although I gotta admit a Turk-Tank-Tyson front 3 in the 3-4 set has some insane potential and could be feared for a decade to come.

by Sudden on Apr 19, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

McBride

I’m am surprised he is being tried at LB, he is not even quick for a DE. A lot of people thought he was a DT anyway.

by FrankPitts on Apr 19, 2009 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to think

that the whole McBride practicing at LB is a pre-draft smokescreen to confuse other teams. He was a tweener in college, but between DT and DE, not between DE and LB – there is no way he is quick enough to be a LB.

Marley will be walking soon...she could probably play Linebacker better than some of the guys we had.

by PVChiefsfan on Apr 20, 2009 7:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice article.

I posted this yesterday when I noticed that PFW had TJ at #3 in their most recent mock draft. I still believe that we could move back a couple spots and still get him, however Cleveland might have some interest in him with their 3-4 and all their talk about Crabtree and Sanchez might just be a smokescreen to get someone to jump up to #3 so Jackson falls.

It will be interesting to see what happens between now and Saturday.

by WesternChief on Apr 19, 2009 11:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont think Cleveland has to worry about Tyson 'falling' to them

I dont think theres much of a chance Tyson goes in the top 5. Earliest would probably be if the Chiefs trade down to the bottom half of the top 10

by SayHeyWerd on Apr 19, 2009 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Tyson may turn out to be the next Richard Seymour and we would have been fine taking him with the 3rd overall pick in hindsight, but part of the draft is understanding other teams’ needs and establishing a players’ value.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 19, 2009 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree more.

If Tyson is our guy. I believe that Cleveland and maybe Greenbay are the only teams in the top 10 that might be seeing the same thing we are. That said, I think we could trade back with Buffalo and take Tyson at #11 if we think that Cleveland and GB are going in another direction.

by WesternChief on Apr 19, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Jackson being more of a double-teamed run stuffer works to our advantage.

Because that leaves Dorsey as the pass rushing DE on the other side. It sounds like a match made in heaven to me.

by Vince D on Apr 19, 2009 11:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyson or A. Maybin....

I think would be great value players later in the 1st round, but if we have to draft at 3, Smith/Curry/ and Monroe justifies the pick.

by Sea of RED on Apr 19, 2009 11:37 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take Jackson over Curry.

I’m starting to believe the hype that you don’t take a non-pass rushing LB as high as #3.

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by HIV 2 Elway on Apr 19, 2009 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Seven days before the draft we’re gonna take new hype over old hype? We’ve read about the broncos being all high on Jackson, now us?

We’re with Posnanski, trade down, it just makes too much sense.

And god-willing we should have Maualuga if for no other reason than to keep him out of denver or san diego.

Guess what though, you can bet your ass we’re getting a linebacker. Media douches aside, you don’t bring in two 30+ yr. old linebackers and not draft at least one puppy to learn from them.

The reason we like Maualuga so much is that he’s already played the role of ‘junior superstar’ at USC. The guys a lock to be a force somewhere. Curry probably is too, it’s just his jump to being a pro ‘elite’ LB seems a bit longer coming out of Wake.

Also we hate the combine, to quote Kenny Powers, “I play real sports, not trying to be the best at exercising.”

by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 19, 2009 11:59 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Curry/Maualuga supporter here. Man this is gona be a long week. They need to have the draft 20 min. after superbowl ends.

by MasterBlaster7 on Apr 19, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is just pre-draft bullshit.

Denver wants Jackson and it sounds like if he were there when they pick, Jackson will be a Bronco. This is just to see how much Denver really wants this guy.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Apr 19, 2009 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson at #3 seems like a stretch to me

2 months ago this guy was probably a second round pick based on his college production alone. His value seems to have completely sky rocketed because of his size and the lack of other quality 3-4 ends. The only thing that makes him more valuable to us is the fact that we have NO true 3-4 ends at all. We would either be shifting short D tackles over like we did with Boone last year, and possibly Dorsey this year, or utilizing undersized 4-3 guys like Hali and McBride.

 I agree with just about everyone that trading down is the only option that makes a player like him a good pick. There are no guarantees that he could be as good as Seymour therefore justifying the #3 pick. I find it difficult to stomach that I am actually rooting for the trade with a division rival so we can get the #12 and #18 picks so we can get a Maualuga and Jackson both. That would be ideal, but would leave a bad taste in our mouth if Sanchez ends up being another quality QB that we would have to contend with in the West.

by TheQ on Apr 19, 2009 12:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Right

Sometimes a players’ value skyrockets simply because there are no other players at his position that year. Look at this year’s QB class.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 19, 2009 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me, or does this year's draft class have more questions than answers?

There is a lot of talent, but a lot of them will be “projects” and future players. As to the QBs, I totally agree with you, and think that their value has been driven up by the success of Ryan and Flacco.

Although, I love the draft speculation as good as the next guy!

by TheQ on Apr 19, 2009 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, they said the same thing about last years draft class

And at least in their rookie year they are proving people wrong.

by ChiefDJ on Apr 19, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ChiefDJ, if we can't trade down

Who do the Chiefs take # 3? Just curious to know what you think.

by TheQ on Apr 19, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of the drat class

If it’s true the top 18 or so are pretty much on the same level why not take him at 3 if there ino “true” 3?s

by FrankPitts on Apr 19, 2009 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we do draft jackson

we should be called the lsu tigers haha this would make three lsu players in the first round in a row..not a prob with me seeing that im an lsu fan!

by tomahawk44 on Apr 19, 2009 1:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not opposed

I’m not opposed to taking Jackson (in a trade down only… not at #3)
But, does it really fit the biggest need?
Is he a HUGE upgrade over Turk McBride?

It sounds like the 4-3 Under is going to be the base defense.
Hali is working out with the LB, as is Turk, giving both of those guys a chance to show they can play either DE position.
With Tank at the NT, Dorsey at the UT, I think Turk is fine at the other DE position, and Hali COULD become the “predator”… if not, I’d like to see them draft a hybrid DE/OLB…

With this in mind, Jackson isn’t the most exciting pick in the first round.
I think he’d be a good player for this team… but I wonder if the Chiefs would get more bang for their buck with Curry/OT at #3 OR a DE/OLB hybrid with a trade down.

Brown, Barwin, Kruger, Maybin, Sintim, English and Orakpo could all be options that I think would improve this defense more than Jackson.

I like Maualuga, but would be happy with Brinkley or another later round ILB… as long as they get a solid pass rusher!

by stagdsp on Apr 19, 2009 1:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Jackson

Will not go to us at 3…mark my words. What is special about the guy other than he is a hyped up big 3/4 DE or 4/3 DT… Nothing. What does he offer to us that will make our defense better than the guys we have now? You say “dont pick non pass rusher LB at 3” OK then WHY draft a non pass rusher DE at 3?? We can get our guy Curry to roam the middle and make tackles….also Curry had a million Tackles for Loss last season that shows he can make plays and penetrate behind the line of scrimmage…Then we can get Zach Potter late in the draft to play 3/4 DE. I hope to God that Pioli picks Curry at #3! Then all you guys who are thinking about every other possibility other than Curry can stick it!!

Go Chiefs!!

by Matt_Grbac on Apr 19, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

atta boy

good points.

take curry or trade down

Potter could be just as good as Jackson

by stagdsp on Apr 19, 2009 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Safest defensive pick, LSU, D-line?

Sounds too familiar. I think Dorsey can still be really good, but last year he was heralded as the safest defensive pick in years by some. We’ll be REALLY frustrated if we take Jackson at #3 (I’d like them to trade down, but I’m pessimistic about someone being willing to trade up to #3) and he’s not a game-changing player.

Regardless, it’s interesting how there was a great consensus amongst Chiefs fans about our first pick last year, and I just don’t see that happening this year. I’m thinking there might be an approval rating of 50-60% with whichever way we go.

by timmer on Apr 19, 2009 7:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Last year we were a 4-3

Dorsey was a great pick and given 2009 or 2010 with some more help at 4-3 LB would be great.
Nobody knew the the 3-4 would be the Fav his year and Dorsey might still fit in 4-3 under

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by Steve_Chiefs on Apr 19, 2009 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

was there a consensus on AP???

I’m new to this site this year…
I was kinda surprised the Chiefs took Dorsey last year… I expected them to trade the pick or get a pass rusher…

I’d love to see links to last year’s draft conversation, to see how close the predictions were…

by stagdsp on Apr 20, 2009 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dorsey was the #1 player on many draft boards

I think the majority approved of the pick.

by Joel Thorman on Apr 20, 2009 8:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson would be nice but...

That is if we trade down. I don’t see it happening. I have seen people talking aout trading down like we have complete control over this option. It is quit the opposite. We have the third pick and there isn’t anyone that has the ability to do so that really needs to. Denver and now Buffalo could but, they can still get what they need if they stay put. Picking at three is costly because you can’t miss and you pay that player a ton. As easy as it sounds, it probably won’t happen.

AFC West Champs in 2009? Mayyybee.

by cmpotter on Apr 19, 2009 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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